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Re: Jaws and Antivirus

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Causes problems under 7. ?It works all right, unless you need to restore.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Mote [mailto:miketmote73@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:29 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and Antivirus

My brother is a JAWS user, and he uses Avira on one of his machines. I don't have any personal experience with it, but he seemed to like it.


-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon [mailto:mt281820@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:28 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws and Antivirus

I'm using Jaws 17 and AVG which conflicts with System Access which I also use. Is there another antivirus program that works well with Jaws or at least is somewhat accessible?
Sharon


Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Yes, it’s been that kind of day all the way around.  I thought that Essentials was an antispamware though.  I rather wish Microsoft would release a separate comprehensive Defender package for older systems, as they have done in the past with some small programs, but have no expectation they’ll do so.  I’m getting by right now, as I presently lack a home Internet provider.  It ain’t easy catching an infection when your isolated.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:38 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

 

Microsoft Security Essentials has always been an antivirus program up through Windows 7.  Windows Defender, which exists on Windows 7, was not an antivirus in that environment, but its functions and those of MSE were merged with the advent of Windows 8.  Windows Defender is the antivirus program shipped with Windows after Windows 8, and MSE no longer exists there.

Brian


Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

Onwardbob
 

If ESETT is scanning or updating JAWS would begin to lag. Then, it would
begin to screech before just freezing up. Also, ESET wouldn't scan if my
computer was asleep, and was just generally a pain in the butt.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Blackwell via Groups.io [mailto:taoman1@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:11 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

Oh, one more thing I forgot to ask, what type of conflict have you found
with Eset and JAWS. That's what I use on one of my computers and it's worked
fine for me. Could you explain what happen so I can be on the lookout for
it?

-----Original Message-----
From: Onwardbob [mailto:onwardbob@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:17 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Recommendations for anti-virus

Hi, I'm using JAWS-17 with W-7. I was using ESET but recently it began
conflicting with MSE and then with JAWS so I removed it. Currently I'm
running with MSE and also run Malware bites twice a week and Microsoft
safety scanner twice a month. Can anyone recommend something to replace
ESET, something that works easily with JAWS. Thanks...

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

Onwardbob
 

Thank you, but even after I uninstalled MSE ESET continued to cause problems
with J-17 that I didn't have with J-13.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Blackwell via Groups.io [mailto:taoman1@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:09 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

It's up to you, but I would have done just the opposite. Eset is a pretty
highly rated antivirus and MSE is a very low rated one. I'm referring to the
independent tests of antiviruses that you can find online. It is generally
not recommended that you use two antivirus anyway. There are a lot of sites
that say this. It's always a good idea to scan with a second one and an
online antivirus can do this for you if they are accessible. Here is a link
(one of many) that explains why two antiviruses are not recommended.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2034141/one-antivirus-program-is-better-than-
two.html
Hope that helps.




-----Original Message-----
From: Onwardbob [mailto:onwardbob@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:17 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Recommendations for anti-virus

Hi, I'm using JAWS-17 with W-7. I was using ESET but recently it began
conflicting with MSE and then with JAWS so I removed it. Currently I'm
running with MSE and also run Malware bites twice a week and Microsoft
safety scanner twice a month. Can anyone recommend something to replace
ESET, something that works easily with JAWS. Thanks...

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

Onwardbob
 

Brian, They worked well together for three years and it wasn't until I upgraded to J-17 that the trouble started. I don't mind dropping MSE, but what would you recommend?

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 11:07 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

Bob,

If by MSE you mean Microsoft Security Essentials then there is no surprise that there was a conflict between it and ESET. Both are antivirus programs and you should never, ever, have two antivirus products running simultaneously on the same machine. Most often they identify each other as viruses, since antivirus programs "dig in" to the same sorts of areas that viruses do, and then engage in a fight to the death taking the machine down with them.

If you're using Microsoft Security Essentials as your antivirus you should not install another antivirus, or else you should disable Microsoft Security Essentials and install the antivirus product you like best that works well for you with JAWS.

Brian


Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

 

Microsoft Security Essentials has always been an antivirus program up through Windows 7.  Windows Defender, which exists on Windows 7, was not an antivirus in that environment, but its functions and those of MSE were merged with the advent of Windows 8.  Windows Defender is the antivirus program shipped with Windows after Windows 8, and MSE no longer exists there.

Brian


Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I was told that MSE was not an antivirus program, that didn't happen until 10. If I'm wrong, I'd love to try it as a separate download.

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Blackwell via Groups.io [mailto:taoman1@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:09 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

It's up to you, but I would have done just the opposite. Eset is a pretty highly rated antivirus and MSE is a very low rated one. I'm referring to the independent tests of antiviruses that you can find online. It is generally not recommended that you use two antivirus anyway. There are a lot of sites that say this. It's always a good idea to scan with a second one and an online antivirus can do this for you if they are accessible. Here is a link (one of many) that explains why two antiviruses are not recommended.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2034141/one-antivirus-program-is-better-than-
two.html
Hope that helps.




-----Original Message-----
From: Onwardbob [mailto:onwardbob@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:17 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Recommendations for anti-virus

Hi, I'm using JAWS-17 with W-7. I was using ESET but recently it began conflicting with MSE and then with JAWS so I removed it. Currently I'm running with MSE and also run Malware bites twice a week and Microsoft safety scanner twice a month. Can anyone recommend something to replace ESET, something that works easily with JAWS. Thanks...

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


Re: Jaws and Antivirus

Michael Mote
 

My brother is a JAWS user, and he uses Avira on one of his machines. I
don't have any personal experience with it, but he seemed to like it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon [mailto:mt281820@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:28 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Jaws and Antivirus

I'm using Jaws 17 and AVG which conflicts with System Access which I also
use. Is there another antivirus program that works well with Jaws or at
least is somewhat accessible?
Sharon


Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

Martin Blackwell
 

Oh, one more thing I forgot to ask, what type of conflict have you found
with Eset and JAWS. That's what I use on one of my computers and it's worked
fine for me. Could you explain what happen so I can be on the lookout for
it?

-----Original Message-----
From: Onwardbob [mailto:onwardbob@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:17 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Recommendations for anti-virus

Hi, I'm using JAWS-17 with W-7. I was using ESET but recently it began
conflicting with MSE and then with JAWS so I removed it. Currently I'm
running with MSE and also run Malware bites twice a week and Microsoft
safety scanner twice a month. Can anyone recommend something to replace
ESET, something that works easily with JAWS. Thanks...

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

Martin Blackwell
 

It's up to you, but I would have done just the opposite. Eset is a pretty
highly rated antivirus and MSE is a very low rated one. I'm referring to the
independent tests of antiviruses that you can find online. It is generally
not recommended that you use two antivirus anyway. There are a lot of sites
that say this. It's always a good idea to scan with a second one and an
online antivirus can do this for you if they are accessible. Here is a link
(one of many) that explains why two antiviruses are not recommended.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2034141/one-antivirus-program-is-better-than-
two.html
Hope that helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Onwardbob [mailto:onwardbob@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 10:17 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Recommendations for anti-virus

Hi, I'm using JAWS-17 with W-7. I was using ESET but recently it began
conflicting with MSE and then with JAWS so I removed it. Currently I'm
running with MSE and also run Malware bites twice a week and Microsoft
safety scanner twice a month. Can anyone recommend something to replace
ESET, something that works easily with JAWS. Thanks...

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


Re: Recommendations for anti-virus

 

Bob,

         If by MSE you mean Microsoft Security Essentials then there is no surprise that there was a conflict between it and ESET.  Both are antivirus programs and you should never, ever, have two antivirus products running simultaneously on the same machine.  Most often they identify each other as viruses, since antivirus programs "dig in" to the same sorts of areas that viruses do, and then engage in a fight to the death taking the machine down with them.

         If you're using Microsoft Security Essentials as your antivirus you should not install another antivirus, or else you should disable Microsoft Security Essentials and install the antivirus product you like best that works well for you with JAWS.

Brian


Jaws and Antivirus

Sharon
 

I'm using Jaws 17 and AVG which conflicts with System Access which I also
use. Is there another antivirus program that works well with Jaws or at
least is somewhat accessible?
Sharon


Recommendations for anti-virus

Onwardbob
 

Hi, I'm using JAWS-17 with W-7. I was using ESET but recently it began
conflicting with MSE and then with JAWS so I removed it. Currently I'm
running with MSE and also run Malware bites twice a week and Microsoft
safety scanner twice a month. Can anyone recommend something to replace
ESET, something that works easily with JAWS. Thanks...

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


Re: What is object navigation?

 

Hi Ann and list,
The following may sound a bit technical but it is crucial that we discuss
this:
In order to talk about object navigation, three (actually, four) important
concepts must be discussed first: screen elements in graphical user
interfaces, object hierarchy and how screen readers obtain object
information through accessibility API's (and an overview of them; for
resident geeks, I need to talk about event loop and handling events):
Graphical user interface (GUI), contrary to popular imagination set forth by
technical documentation for the blind and visually impaired people, is not
linear. When people think of graphical user interfaces and how they are laid
out, people may say it is a linear representation like that of a typical
document. In reality, GUI elements are hierarchical in nature, and each
screen element in GUI's contains other elements or are contained by
elements. For example, in Windows Explorer, each icon may represent a drive,
a folder, a file or other things. These icons are contained within a window
that presents these icons, and each icon may contain additional information.
Another example is on the web where a list or a table may contain items such
as text, links, headings and so on, and certain web elements are contained
inside another web element such as a frame. What I've just described is a
parent-child relationship: screen elements (objects) containing other
objects.
Naturally a follow-up question arises: how do screen readers navigate this
complex hierarchy of objects? This is done by utilizing accessibility API's.
An accessibility API is a layer in user interface portion of operating
systems that allows assistive technologies to gather necessary information
about an object, such as its name, value, role (what kind of element it is),
location and other identifying information. Microsoft Windows ships with two
API's: Microsoft Active Accessibility (sometimes called IAccessible) and UI
Automation (UIA). Both API's allow screen readers to obtain the following
information about an object:
* Name (sometimes called label).
* Value (progress bar percentage, text in an eit field and so on).
* Role (checkbox, radio button, document and so on).
* State (checked, focused, read-only and so on).
* Hierarchy (parent (object which contains this object), children (one or
more objects that are contained within this screen element), next and
previous (sibling objects, objects that are contained by the same parent).
In effect, when you use touch cursor or equivalent functionality in other
screen readers, you are basically telling the screen reader to consult an
accessibility API to locate screen elements that you are interested in in
relation to the object you are working with. There are tutorials out there
that explains how to use object navigation in various screen readers (my own
tutorial on another screen reader covers this in more detail; please ask me
offlist if interested or would like to have the link to the tutorial
series).
Bonus: Applications that utilize GUI's are event-driven. In other words,
these programs (screen readers included) are sensitive to events around the
user interface, such as clicks, keyboard input, changed state of an object
and so on. Somewhere inside a GUI application (including jfw.exe) is an
event loop that allows applications to receive various events and process
them (called event handling or callbacks). JAWS and other screen readers can
be told to monitor specific events such as state change, something appears
on screen and so on.
To illustrate this, let me show you what really goes on when JAWS is
attempting (or should attempt) to announce toast notifications. A toast
notification is a rectangular window that appears when an app needs to
notify a user about something. This includes auto play, news from apps,
reminders and others. Toasts are UIA objects, thus screen readers are
expected to listen to UIA events for this object and act accordingly (as
some of us found out, current JAWS 17 version does not recognize certain UIA
events and does not track certain objects). An ideal interaction between
JAWS, UIA and toasts is as follows:
1. Freedom scientific developers (or other script writers) takes note of
technical information about a toast, such as its window class name and other
crucial information (Windows 8.x and 10 uses two differing information about
toasts, hence this may explain why JFW 17 does not read toasts in Windows 10
correctly).
2. A toast appears. Windows raises a show event in hopes that a screen
reader will announce them (Narrator and certain screen readers do take note
of this).
3. Because toasts are UIA objects, screen readers will (or are asked to)
consult a table of UIA objects, locate toast handler code and will perform
needed action such as announcing toast notifications (a screen reader will
not be complete without support for accessibility API's; any screen reader
claiming to support Windows 7 and later MUST implement UIA support,
especially now that Windows 10 is here to stay and scripts for modern
(universal) apps calls for use of UIA).
In closing, I believe that it is essential that screen reader users learn a
thing or two about internal operation of a screen reader. Not only it helps
in appreciating the work involved to make our lives more productive, but
also allows us to explain how a screen reader works in hopes of letting app
developers and others think about accessibility. I'd like to leave you with
a quote I heard a while back that makes more sense now: whatever is done in
secret, it'll be shouted from rooftops.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne [mailto:annakb@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 5:11 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: What is object navigation?


What is object navigation? somehow I can't sort it out.

Thanks,


Despite its name, touch cursor isn't limited to tablets - it is
actually a fancy name for object navigation. Touch cursor comes in
handy if you need to work with modern apps (including universal apps)
where object navigation/touch cursor usage is essential.

Cheers,

Joseph


Have digests stopped coming?

 

I resubscribed to the full-featured digest yesterday to see if the "mute this thread" feature was now working, and double checked this morning that this choice "stuck" in my subscription options, but have not received a single digest.  This is unusual and I'm wondering if the "mute fix" could have killed the daily digests?

If anyone's received a daily digest in the last 12-18 hours could you please let me know?  If you're not getting digests that you thought you should please also post?

This can be a real catch-22 for those participating via the digests rather than individual e-mail messages or the web interface.

Brian


Re: Accidentally enabled the Jaws Touch features on my desktop

Les Kriegler <kriegler@...>
 

Joseph, what is the key combination if you have a laptop to disable Touch
Cursor navigation? Thanks.

Les

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 7:04 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Accidentally enabled the Jaws Touch features on my desktop

Hi,

Press Numpad Plus twice quickly to return to PC cursor.

Despite its name, touch cursor isn’t limited to tablets – it is actually a
fancy name for object navigation. Touch cursor comes in handy if you need to
work with modern apps (including universal apps) where object
navigation/touch cursor usage is essential.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismunoz54@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 3:11 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Accidentally enabled the Jaws Touch features on my desktop



Hello list,

So while typing away doing this and that on my business desktop, I must have
been too fast and sloppy because now, I seem to have enabled some sort of
touch mode for a tablet PC and Jaws. Naturally, the famous search for
command feature that was introduced in one of the recent Jaws updates isn’t
giving me any results no matter what I type. Poking around the Jaws help
files isnt’ giving me anything either. I have to imagine it’s a toggle
keystroke, but so far, I haven’t found it. The closeest I’ve come to is
insert+shift+semi-colin for the touch cursor which doesn’t’ get me out of
this mode.

I’m banging out this email on my personal laptop, but I need to be able to
work with my business machine. I thought I’d shoot an email to folks with
more experience with the touch interface of Jaws while I continue my search
for a solution.



Thanks,


Re: FS tech response/FS archived webinars play/pause not working

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

That can be tricky. Sometimes you can download in the usual way, sometimes not.  Recently I had trouble downloading a podcast from FS.  To resolve the problem, I began playing the podcast, and saved while it was playing—worked great

 

Ted

 

From: Laura Richardson [mailto:laurakr65@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 8:08 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: FS tech response/FS archived webinars play/pause not working

 

Hello,

 

Recently I posted an email about Freedom Scientific archived webinars regarding pause/play not working.  I contacted FS tech support via email and below is the response they sent.

 

“Because you are not in the actual webinar environment when listening to this webinar, this feature is not available. If you desire to have these controls, I recommend you download the MP3 file and play it in Windows Media player or similar utility where these controls are available to you.”

 

I’ve never downloaded an MP3 file and don’t know how to use Windows Media player so as soon as I do some research and try to learn how to do these things I’ll give this a try ...... I may have some questions regarding this in a future post.

 

Thank you all for your responses ...... very helpful.

 

Laura

 

 


What is object navigation?

Ann Byrne
 

What is object navigation? somehow I can't sort it out.

Thanks,


Despite its name, touch cursor isn’t limited to tablets ­ it is
actually a
fancy name for object navigation. Touch cursor comes in handy if
you need to
work with modern apps (including universal apps) where object
navigation/touch cursor usage is essential.

Cheers,

Joseph


FS tech response/FS archived webinars play/pause not working

Laura Richardson
 

Hello,

 

Recently I posted an email about Freedom Scientific archived webinars regarding pause/play not working.  I contacted FS tech support via email and below is the response they sent.

 

“Because you are not in the actual webinar environment when listening to this webinar, this feature is not available. If you desire to have these controls, I recommend you download the MP3 file and play it in Windows Media player or similar utility where these controls are available to you.”

 

I’ve never downloaded an MP3 file and don’t know how to use Windows Media player so as soon as I do some research and try to learn how to do these things I’ll give this a try ...... I may have some questions regarding this in a future post.

 

Thank you all for your responses ...... very helpful.

 

Laura

 

 


Re: Accidentally enabled the Jaws Touch features on my desktop

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

This can be a neat feature, revealing controls you might otherwise miss. There are a bunch of buttons and boxes in VLC accessible only through this cursor; wish I knew what they're good for, but that's not really a JAWS problem.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:57 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Accidentally enabled the Jaws Touch features on my desktop

Hi,
In JAWS 15 and later, press Shift+Numpad plus.
Cheers,
Joseph

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Alton" <blinkydale@...
To: jfw@groups.io
Date sent: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:52:21 -0700
Subject: Re: Accidentally enabled the Jaws Touch features on my desktop

How do you activate it?



Denver Dale



From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:04 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Accidentally enabled the Jaws Touch features on my desktop



Hi,

Press Numpad Plus twice quickly to return to PC cursor.

Despite its name, touch cursor isn’t limited to tablets – it is
actually a
fancy name for object navigation. Touch cursor comes in handy if
you need to
work with modern apps (including universal apps) where object
navigation/touch cursor usage is essential.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: Cristal [mailto:crismunoz54@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 3:11 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Accidentally enabled the Jaws Touch features on my
desktop



Hello list,

So while typing away doing this and that on my business desktop,
I must have
been too fast and sloppy because now, I seem to have enabled some
sort of
touch mode for a tablet PC and Jaws. Naturally, the famous
search for
command feature that was introduced in one of the recent Jaws
updates isn’t
giving me any results no matter what I type. Poking around the
Jaws help
files isnt’ giving me anything either. I have to imagine it’s a
toggle
keystroke, but so far, I haven’t found it. The closeest I’ve
come to is
insert+shift+semi-colin for the touch cursor which doesn’t’ get
me out of
this mode.

I’m banging out this email on my personal laptop, but I need to
be able to
work with my business machine. I thought I’d shoot an email to
folks with
more experience with the touch interface of Jaws while I continue
my search
for a solution.



Thanks,

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