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moderated Re: thumb drive

Cornelius
 

This is assuming you are running Windows 10:
- Open Settings.
- Click on Devices.
- Click on AutoPlay and turn on the Use AutoPlay for all media and devices toggle switch.
- Under the "Choose AutoPlay defaults" section, the Removable drive drop-down menu and select a new default action when connecting a USB drive:, use the up/down arrow key and choose open folder to view files (File Explorer).

From now on when you insert a USB drive, it should open up the drive in file explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of meow meow
Sent: Sunday, 12 June, 2022 4:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: thumb drive


hi Rosie here...
few days ago I did ask about how to setup USB for my thumb drive ok here so far that I put thumb drive in USB and all I hear was dong or ding and I ask my husband that he can see the screen he told me to go go start menu and type D:
well it work that way but I like what window 7 did that all I do to plug in and auo to bring up file that what I want that way does anyone know how to setup to make it auo when I plug in thumb drive up instead have me to go start nenu and typ D:
on my window 11 and Jaws 22
thanks

moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Tyler Wood
 

I can definitely attest that, while there are improvements to NVDA and Office, Jaws still works far nicer.
I'm curious what you mean when you say legacy support?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hmmm, I never noticed a similarity between nvda and window-eyes. That
one puzzles me.

I switched to Jaws back when Window-eyes got scripting, I was much more
interested in better web performance so I jumped ship. I have nvda on
my wife's laptop, and it seems okay for basic stuff I might be doing on
someone else's machine. I've donated money on several occasions just to
encourage an alternative, choice is what keeps for-profit companies
motivated. My largest problems with using nvda all the time are that I
don't think it supports office nearly as well as Jaws, and I find the
legacy support frustrating at best. I just don't think windows and
child windows and all that, I guess.

Narrator is definitely up and coming, lots of times I can get by with
just that on someone else's machine. I wish its web support worked
better, though; nothing like trying to browse something complex with
narrator to make one like Jaws or NVDA.


CH


On 6/11/2022 17:31, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I've always thought NVDA was more like Window Eyes.
Now, if there was a Jaws add-on for NVDA, that set the keyboard functions to
be like Jaws, I think a lot more people would use it.
I remember when Microsoft Word had a WordPerfect keyboard layout, that made
it a lot easier for WP users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?


Having been a long time Window Eyes user I found the move to NVDA much
easier than a move to Jaws. I have NVDA and the latest version of Jaws
on my computer and use NVDA 90 percent of the time.

On 6/11/2022 5:04 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi I have triedNVDA but I never got verry far with it. I used Jaws and
that is what I have used all the way back to Jaws 3.7 I am now using Jaws
2022 and am having a lot of fun with it. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: June 11, 2022 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions like
this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture smart,
voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use NVDA
occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.


On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to
emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other,
I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you
think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've
been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and
there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws
still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many
organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a
work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a
fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also
told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either,
so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting
myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my
understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something
that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you,
James
moderated Re: Word Processors that Work with JAWS

Chris Hill
 

I never really had much trouble using jaws with Libre-office for basic stuff.  It even has or had some document conversions from really old things like windows Write, that you just don't find in most programs.

CH

On 6/11/2022 12:41, Lanie Molinar wrote:
Hi all. Thanks to everyone who answered my last email. I have another question. I might have a lot for a little while. I know Microsoft Word works well with JAWS, but I can't really justify the expense, especially since I don't do a lot of work with documents. I might need to in the future, though. What are some other word processors that work well with JAWS? With NVDA, I used Google Docs or occasionally LibreOffice. Are these good, or are there others you would recommend? I want to find one for future work, but I'm also just looking for a good way to read a book I just got, which comes in Microsoft Word format. Thanks.
moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Chris Hill
 

Hmmm, I never noticed a similarity between nvda and window-eyes. That one puzzles me.

I switched to Jaws back when Window-eyes got scripting, I was much more interested in better web performance so I jumped ship.  I have nvda on my wife's laptop, and it seems okay for basic stuff I might be doing on someone else's machine.  I've donated money on several occasions just to encourage an alternative, choice is what keeps for-profit companies motivated.  My largest problems with using nvda all the time are that I don't think it supports office nearly as well as Jaws, and I find the legacy support frustrating at best.  I just don't think windows and child windows and all that, I guess.

Narrator is definitely up and coming, lots of times I can get by with just that on someone else's machine.  I wish its web support worked better, though; nothing like trying to browse something complex with narrator to make one like Jaws or NVDA.


CH

On 6/11/2022 17:31, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I've always thought NVDA was more like Window Eyes.
Now, if there was a Jaws add-on for NVDA, that set the keyboard functions to
be like Jaws, I think a lot more people would use it.
I remember when Microsoft Word had a WordPerfect keyboard layout, that made
it a lot easier for WP users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?


Having been a long time Window Eyes user I found the move to NVDA much
easier than a move to Jaws. I have NVDA and the latest version of Jaws
on my computer and use NVDA 90 percent of the time.

On 6/11/2022 5:04 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi I have triedNVDA but I never got verry far with it. I used Jaws and
that is what I have used all the way back to Jaws 3.7 I am now using Jaws
2022 and am having a lot of fun with it. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: June 11, 2022 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions like
this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture smart,
voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use NVDA
occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.


On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to
emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other,
I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you
think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've
been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and
there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws
still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many
organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a
work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a
fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also
told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either,
so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting
myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my
understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something
that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you,
James
moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Chris Hill
 

Hello.
Have not had any trouble with either one of those.  Sounds like a machine-specific problem that might be solvable with a reinstall of jaws or something.

CH

On 6/
1/2022 20:40, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
One thing I've noticed with Jaws 2022 lately is that at least on my
machine, it seems to become completely unresponsive while using the
task manager and device manager, whereas NVDA works perfectly fine. I
don't know if this is just a Windows 11 issue or if it's something
unique to my machine or if it's an issue with Jaws. Either way I
prefer to use NVDA while using both the task manager and device
manager.

On 6/11/22, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:
I've always thought NVDA was more like Window Eyes.
Now, if there was a Jaws add-on for NVDA, that set the keyboard functions to

be like Jaws, I think a lot more people would use it.
I remember when Microsoft Word had a WordPerfect keyboard layout, that made

it a lot easier for WP users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?


Having been a long time Window Eyes user I found the move to NVDA much
easier than a move to Jaws. I have NVDA and the latest version of Jaws
on my computer and use NVDA 90 percent of the time.

On 6/11/2022 5:04 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi I have triedNVDA but I never got verry far with it. I used Jaws and
that is what I have used all the way back to Jaws 3.7 I am now using Jaws

2022 and am having a lot of fun with it. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind

tech lover
Sent: June 11, 2022 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions like
this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture smart,
voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use NVDA
occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.


On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to
emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other,
I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you
think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've
been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and
there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws
still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many
organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a
work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a
fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also
told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either,
so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting
myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my
understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something
that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you,
James
moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Joseph Machise <josephmachise@...>
 

Don H and Glenn and Mollie no matter how hard freedomscientific tries to fix
something they can't get it right, jaws 2021 the copy command doesn't work,
and my outlook express has trouble with it on my windows7 machine from
Joseph.

----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?


One thing I've noticed with Jaws 2022 lately is that at least on my
machine, it seems to become completely unresponsive while using the
task manager and device manager, whereas NVDA works perfectly fine. I
don't know if this is just a Windows 11 issue or if it's something
unique to my machine or if it's an issue with Jaws. Either way I
prefer to use NVDA while using both the task manager and device
manager.

On 6/11/22, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:
I've always thought NVDA was more like Window Eyes.
Now, if there was a Jaws add-on for NVDA, that set the keyboard functions
to

be like Jaws, I think a lot more people would use it.
I remember when Microsoft Word had a WordPerfect keyboard layout, that
made

it a lot easier for WP users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?


Having been a long time Window Eyes user I found the move to NVDA much
easier than a move to Jaws. I have NVDA and the latest version of Jaws
on my computer and use NVDA 90 percent of the time.

On 6/11/2022 5:04 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi I have triedNVDA but I never got verry far with it. I used Jaws and
that is what I have used all the way back to Jaws 3.7 I am now using Jaws

2022 and am having a lot of fun with it. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the
blind

tech lover
Sent: June 11, 2022 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions like
this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture smart,
voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use NVDA
occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.


On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to
emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other,
I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you
think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've
been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and
there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws
still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many
organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a
work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a
fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also
told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either,
so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting
myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my
understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something
that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you,
James
moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

molly the blind tech lover
 

One thing I've noticed with Jaws 2022 lately is that at least on my
machine, it seems to become completely unresponsive while using the
task manager and device manager, whereas NVDA works perfectly fine. I
don't know if this is just a Windows 11 issue or if it's something
unique to my machine or if it's an issue with Jaws. Either way I
prefer to use NVDA while using both the task manager and device
manager.

On 6/11/22, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:
I've always thought NVDA was more like Window Eyes.
Now, if there was a Jaws add-on for NVDA, that set the keyboard functions to

be like Jaws, I think a lot more people would use it.
I remember when Microsoft Word had a WordPerfect keyboard layout, that made

it a lot easier for WP users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?


Having been a long time Window Eyes user I found the move to NVDA much
easier than a move to Jaws. I have NVDA and the latest version of Jaws
on my computer and use NVDA 90 percent of the time.

On 6/11/2022 5:04 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi I have triedNVDA but I never got verry far with it. I used Jaws and
that is what I have used all the way back to Jaws 3.7 I am now using Jaws

2022 and am having a lot of fun with it. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind

tech lover
Sent: June 11, 2022 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions like
this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture smart,
voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use NVDA
occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.


On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to
emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other,
I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you
think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've
been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and
there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws
still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many
organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a
work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a
fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also
told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either,
so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting
myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my
understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something
that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you,
James
moderated Re: Word Processors that Work with JAWS

Lanie Molinar
 

Hi. Yes, I've thought about it, but as someone who doesn't need to write a lot of documents, I'm not sure if it's worth the price, especially with my limited income. Thanks.

On 6/11/2022 3:19 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
Hi,
Have you considered Microsoft 365? (I believe this used to be referred to as Office 365). It includes Microsoft word, outlook, one drive, excel, etc. This would make it far cheaper than buying Microsoft office outright and give you the added benefit of more one drive storage (I believe 1 tb) should you ever decide that would be something that would interest you. This could, in theory, allow you to back up all your important documents, downloads etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kestrel Verlager
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 3:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Word Processors that Work with JAWS

If you are looking for ebooks suitable for beginners who want to learn word processing, I recommend the National Braill Press. Their website is https://www.nbp.org .

Even though they sell books in hard copy braille, they also produce their ebooks in electronic braille, Daisy, Word, and available as downloads or to be snail mailed to you on thumb drives. The books which talk about word processing using Word should mostly work with Wordpad: Wordpad doesn't have the ribbons that Word does, but I consider that a plus, and most of the keyboard commands work across both word processors.

Kestrell

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lanie Molinar
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Word Processors that Work with JAWS

Hi all. Thanks to everyone who answered my last email. I have another question. I might have a lot for a little while. I know Microsoft Word works well with JAWS, but I can't really justify the expense, especially since I don't do a lot of work with documents. I might need to in the future, though. What are some other word processors that work well with JAWS? With NVDA, I used Google Docs or occasionally LibreOffice. Are these good, or are there others you would recommend? I want to find one for future work, but I'm also just looking for a good way to read a book I just got, which comes in Microsoft Word format. Thanks.
moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

James Malone <james.malone93502@...>
 

Wow, thanks for all the responses! I honestly had no idea if this kind
of topic would get any traction, or if it would completely just get
derailed into drama. Thankfully this is not the case at all. :)
Below are just some of my observations with using Jaws recently, so
feel free to chime in with your own tips, opinions etc.
I was really impressed with picture smart myself, considering that was
probably the first big thing I played with when using Jaws earlier
this year.
I think in some cases, the Jaws and NVDA commands are fairly similar,
so there wasn't a huge learning curve for me personally. The biggest
thing would probably have to be the Jaws/touch curser's, compared to
object nav. IF you can use the touch curser, then you're honestly 90
percent of the way to using object nav.
To the people making comments about addons being broken with each
major NVDA release, I do feel you. In a lot of cases you can simply
just update the manifest file for each addon to reflect the current
version and it *should* work, but I'd wager there's a lot of people
who may not know about this. Developers don't want to have to update
their addons with every major release either, especially if it becomes
more of a fix than simply updating their manifest file.
While I liked Jaws OCR, I did find it to be a bit buggy in certain
situations. I'd randomly have it get stuck in certain windows, then
when I'd go to OCR again I'd be informed that an OCR scan was already
in progress. Any time I'd try to OCR after that, I'd just be told that
the OCR component was not installed on my system. I could rectify this
by simply restarting Jaws, but it did get rather annoying. If I can
consistently reproduce this bug, I'll gladly report it. Unless anyone
has any tips on this one?
I've yet more testing to do on the touch curser, though from my
limited experience it wasn't quite as good as object nav. I'm not sure
if that's what it was trying to emulate though? Or if it was more of a
way to interact with newer style apps that can't interface with the
older mirror display drivers. I.E, the thing that makes the Jaws
curser function.
I do also wish that Jaws was better at handling dynamically updating
content too. Spotify, for example. I can scroll through my library
with relative speed using NVDA, but consistently struggled to have
Jaws catch up. I also noticed Jaws seemed to just bounce all over the
place on things like huge Reddit threads. NVDA is definitely guilty of
this one too, though it's not nearly as bad. I don't know if that's
just down to the way each reader renders it's web content though.
I feel like Jaws definitely wins out on legacy support, though I don't
know how much of a fair comparison that is to make, considering ones
had nearly 30 years of development behind it. :P
Apologies if this is a bit of a mess, this has all been a bit
scattered throughout my head and I'm just addressing things as they
come up.
Again it's been really cool to hear your responses, so yeah looking
forward to more discussion!
Cheers,
James

On 6/12/22, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:
I've always thought NVDA was more like Window Eyes.
Now, if there was a Jaws add-on for NVDA, that set the keyboard functions to

be like Jaws, I think a lot more people would use it.
I remember when Microsoft Word had a WordPerfect keyboard layout, that made

it a lot easier for WP users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?


Having been a long time Window Eyes user I found the move to NVDA much
easier than a move to Jaws. I have NVDA and the latest version of Jaws
on my computer and use NVDA 90 percent of the time.

On 6/11/2022 5:04 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi I have triedNVDA but I never got verry far with it. I used Jaws and
that is what I have used all the way back to Jaws 3.7 I am now using Jaws

2022 and am having a lot of fun with it. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind

tech lover
Sent: June 11, 2022 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions like
this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture smart,
voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use NVDA
occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.


On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to
emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other,
I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you
think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've
been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and
there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws
still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many
organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a
work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a
fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also
told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either,
so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting
myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my
understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something
that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you,
James
moderated Re: New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS with A Few Questions

James Malone <james.malone93502@...>
 

From reading the post, Lanie was indeed aware that Jaws uses
"scripts". The question was more in regards to the best places to
obtain said scripts. NVDA has a couple of repositories for it's
addons, they (and now I,) were wondering if there are such places for
Jaws these days. The only ones I know of are the scripts done by Brian
Hartgen, as well as the Reaper scripts. :)

On 6/12/22, ratshtron <northstarr1950@...> wrote:
Hmmmm, if you use jaws you use scripts, lol!

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________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Karen Reynolds
<karenreynolds2061@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:34:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS with A
Few Questions

Hi Lanie,
I don't use scripts, so I can't help you there. I do use a braille display.
It is the Focus 40 5th generation. Since I've been a long time user of Jaws,
early to mid 90's, I chose this display over others because I wanted the two
to work well together. Since Then I understand there are several from other
companies that work well with Jaws too.

There is another group. The group I found has a braille display focus only.
Getting them to work with screen readers; including NVDA, Narrator, IOS,
Jaws, etc.; is often discussed on that list. Also deciding which one might
work best with your preferred screen reader. Here is the link to learn
more.

https://groups.io/g/braille-display-users

I hope this helps, and I've not stepped on the toes of the moderator.
Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lanie Molinar
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 11:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS with A Few
Questions

Hi all. I've been playing with JAWS 2022 for a little while now. I'm a
long-time user of NVDA and like it, but I'm interested in some of the
features JAWS provides that NVDA doesn't, and I'd like to start using
Braille more since I love Braille and am autistic and sometimes have periods
of sensory overload with all my screen readers going off around me and other
noises in my environment. I know JAWS provides better Braille support, and
I'm hoping to get a Braille display soon. I have a few questions though. Are
there any resources for finding scripts? I'm used to looking for add-ons in
one location, like the NVDA add-ons website. Also, is there a way to make
JAWS speak passwords? With NVDA, I have an add-on that does this. Does
anyone know of any training resources for people who already know how to use
a computer, advanced computer users, or people who have used other screen
readers? I looked at the basic training materials, but they seemed a little
basic for my needs. Finally, is there anyone who has made this switch and
might be able to give me some tips on switching? Thanks.
moderated Siebel and JAWS

Ward Dudley
 

Hello,

 

Is anyone here working with Siebel and JAWS. I just got a job and they use Siebel. I’m having varied results. I would like being able to navigate better in it, does anyone have tips.

 

Thanks,

 

Ward

 

 
moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

K0LNY
 

I've always thought NVDA was more like Window Eyes.
Now, if there was a Jaws add-on for NVDA, that set the keyboard functions to
be like Jaws, I think a lot more people would use it.
I remember when Microsoft Word had a WordPerfect keyboard layout, that made
it a lot easier for WP users.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?


Having been a long time Window Eyes user I found the move to NVDA much
easier than a move to Jaws. I have NVDA and the latest version of Jaws
on my computer and use NVDA 90 percent of the time.

On 6/11/2022 5:04 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi I have triedNVDA but I never got verry far with it. I used Jaws and
that is what I have used all the way back to Jaws 3.7 I am now using Jaws
2022 and am having a lot of fun with it. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: June 11, 2022 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions like
this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture smart,
voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use NVDA
occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.


On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to
emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other,
I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you
think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've
been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and
there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws
still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many
organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a
work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a
fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also
told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either,
so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting
myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my
understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something
that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you,
James
moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Don H
 

Having been a long time Window Eyes user I found the move to NVDA much easier than a move to Jaws. I have NVDA and the latest version of Jaws on my computer and use NVDA 90 percent of the time.

On 6/11/2022 5:04 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi I have triedNVDA but I never got verry far with it. I used Jaws and that is what I have used all the way back to Jaws 3.7 I am now using Jaws 2022 and am having a lot of fun with it. From Mich.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: June 11, 2022 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?
Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions like
this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture smart,
voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use NVDA
occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.
On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to
emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other,
I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you
think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've
been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and
there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws
still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many
organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a
work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a
fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also
told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either,
so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting
myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my
understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something
that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you,
James
moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Mich Verrier
 

Hi I have triedNVDA but I never got verry far with it. I used Jaws and that is what I have used all the way back to Jaws 3.7 I am now using Jaws 2022 and am having a lot of fun with it. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: June 11, 2022 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions like
this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture smart,
voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use NVDA
occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.


On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to
emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other,
I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you
think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've
been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and
there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws
still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many
organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a
work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a
fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also
told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either,
so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting
myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my
understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something
that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you,
James
moderated Re: thumb drive

Brian Vogel
 

Bill,

I could easily be conflating the two.  Two many "auto" things!

If someone wants Autoplay on, under Windows 10 (and I'd presume 11, but I'm not heading downstairs to double check) you can open settings and search on Autoplay and get straight to Autoplay settings.

On my machine, Autoplay was turned on, but no default action had been chosen for Removable Drive (which would include a USB thumb drive), Memory Card, or my smartphone identified by the name I assigned to it.  I've now tweaked the default action for both Removable Drive and Memory card to "Open folder to view files (File Explorer)."
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall
moderated Re: thumb drive

Bill White
 

No. It won't. Just be sure to have AutoPlay open your drive in Windows File Explorer, not in something else. That way, you can see all your files when the drive comes up.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of meow meow
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 3:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: thumb drive

 

would it damage my laptop to make my thumb drive in after I thurn on the autoplay?

 

 

 

From: Bill White

Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 3:41 PM

Subject: Re: thumb drive

 

Brian. I have a computer that is only three years old, and autoplay still works to open a thumb drive. I think you are confusing AutoPlay with AutoRun, which was discontinued due to the possibility of autorunning a program from a thumb drive or CD that could damage your system.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: thumb drive

 

If you're referring to auto-startup, where File Explorer automatically appeared when you plugged in a thumb/jump/flash drive, that was discontinued as a behavior years ago.

All you have to do is open File Explorer and the thumb drive will show up in the folder tree with whatever drive letter the system assigns to it (and it sounds like D is what your system is using at the moment).

It's a good idea to actually change the name of your removable drives so that when you plug them in you can recognize which is which.  If you allow the system to assign random drive letters the order in which you plug them in will often reshuffle the letter assigned if multiple drives are plugged in at once.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall
moderated Re: thumb drive

meow meow
 

would it damage my laptop to make my thumb drive in after I thurn on the autoplay?
 
 

From: Bill White
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: thumb drive

Brian. I have a computer that is only three years old, and autoplay still works to open a thumb drive. I think you are confusing AutoPlay with AutoRun, which was discontinued due to the possibility of autorunning a program from a thumb drive or CD that could damage your system.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: thumb drive

 

If you're referring to auto-startup, where File Explorer automatically appeared when you plugged in a thumb/jump/flash drive, that was discontinued as a behavior years ago.

All you have to do is open File Explorer and the thumb drive will show up in the folder tree with whatever drive letter the system assigns to it (and it sounds like D is what your system is using at the moment).

It's a good idea to actually change the name of your removable drives so that when you plug them in you can recognize which is which.  If you allow the system to assign random drive letters the order in which you plug them in will often reshuffle the letter assigned if multiple drives are plugged in at once.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall
moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions like
this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture smart,
voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use NVDA
occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.

On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to
emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other,
I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you
think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've
been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and
there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws
still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many
organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a
work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a
fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also
told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either,
so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting
myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my
understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something
that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you,
James
moderated Re: thumb drive

Bill White
 

Brian. I have a computer that is only three years old, and autoplay still works to open a thumb drive. I think you are confusing AutoPlay with AutoRun, which was discontinued due to the possibility of autorunning a program from a thumb drive or CD that could damage your system.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: thumb drive

 

If you're referring to auto-startup, where File Explorer automatically appeared when you plugged in a thumb/jump/flash drive, that was discontinued as a behavior years ago.

All you have to do is open File Explorer and the thumb drive will show up in the folder tree with whatever drive letter the system assigns to it (and it sounds like D is what your system is using at the moment).

It's a good idea to actually change the name of your removable drives so that when you plug them in you can recognize which is which.  If you allow the system to assign random drive letters the order in which you plug them in will often reshuffle the letter assigned if multiple drives are plugged in at once.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall
moderated Re: Highlighting text using Adobe pro

Bill White
 

Hi, Curtis. If you edit the pdf document in Word, won't you change the format of the pdf just by opening it in Word? He wants to edit in Adobe Pro to preserve original format while editing the document.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 1:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Highlighting text using Adobe pro

Greetings:

Why do you want to highlight the text? Are you trying to copy or just highlight for the sake of appearance? I highly recommend doing any real editing in Microsoft Word.

Warmly,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christine Laton
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 8:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Highlighting text using Adobe pro

Hi,

To tag onto all the PDF conversations lately: Does anyone know how to highlight text in a PDF with Adobe pro? I am able to select, but I can’t find a way to highlight it. Adobe says that shift+u should be a shortcut, but it seems like JAWS thinks that’s a navigation shortcut.

Any thoughts would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,
Christine

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