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moderated Re: Federal Employment and Accommodations

K0LNY
 


You can also unzip a portable version onto the HD, and run it that way.
So try zipping up a portable copy and see if you can eMail it to yourself, if you can send attachments of that size, or otherwise, email a link to a zipped portable copy and unzip it and run NVDA.exe in the NVDA folder, it is the first N in the folder.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Federal Employment and Accommodations

You might be able to make an argument to have NVDA installed in addition to Jaws as a secondary screen reader, as it sometimes can provide information that Jaws doesn’t, in addition to being a backup screen reader when Jaws is having issues.

 

Kestrell

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dacia Cole
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 2:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Federal Employment and Accommodations

 

Unfortunately, the VA, which is where I believe this individual works is pretty strict on what can be put on their computers or used on their computers. Any technology or software has to go through oh IT, I don’t think plug-and-play are allowed on these computers unfortunately.



On Jun 10, 2022, at 1:23 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 06:39 AM, Kestrel Verlager wrote:

become familiar with Microsoft Narrator for troubleshooting issues with Jaws: it’s built into MS Office

-
Slight correction:  It's built into Windows 10 and 11 (and, I believe, 8.1, but I don't have a machine to test right now).

It can also be worthwhile to have a portable copy of NVDA on a USB drive if you are able to access USB drives on the computer you will be using.  I know that there are certain agencies where any "plug n' play" USB storage is completely disabled, but those agencies are relatively few in number.
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Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Federal Employment and Accommodations

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 03:05 PM, Kestrel Verlager wrote:
You might be able to make an argument to have NVDA installed in addition to Jaws as a secondary screen reader, as it sometimes can provide information that Jaws doesn’t, in addition to being a backup screen reader when Jaws is having issues.
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Certainly worth a try.  As a tutor for screen reader users, even if I'm only tasked with teaching one, I emphasize that they need to have a second, and possibly a third, as alternatives because no matter which one is one's own favorite and primary, there will be times when it will not "play well" with something you're trying to use it to access and another will do so very easily.

Since NVDA is no-cost, and they even have a specific Q&A page for system admins for large organizations and examples of companies that are currently using NVDA, it's much more difficult for an IT department presented with such to use the usual "we can't do that because {fill in nonsense excuse here}" arguments.
 
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Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Federal Employment and Accommodations

Kestrel Verlager <kestrell@...>
 

You might be able to make an argument to have NVDA installed in addition to Jaws as a secondary screen reader, as it sometimes can provide information that Jaws doesn’t, in addition to being a backup screen reader when Jaws is having issues.

 

Kestrell

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dacia Cole
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 2:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Federal Employment and Accommodations

 

Unfortunately, the VA, which is where I believe this individual works is pretty strict on what can be put on their computers or used on their computers. Any technology or software has to go through oh IT, I don’t think plug-and-play are allowed on these computers unfortunately.



On Jun 10, 2022, at 1:23 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 06:39 AM, Kestrel Verlager wrote:

become familiar with Microsoft Narrator for troubleshooting issues with Jaws: it’s built into MS Office

-
Slight correction:  It's built into Windows 10 and 11 (and, I believe, 8.1, but I don't have a machine to test right now).

It can also be worthwhile to have a portable copy of NVDA on a USB drive if you are able to access USB drives on the computer you will be using.  I know that there are certain agencies where any "plug n' play" USB storage is completely disabled, but those agencies are relatively few in number.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Federal Employment and Accommodations

Dacia Cole
 

Unfortunately, the VA, which is where I believe this individual works is pretty strict on what can be put on their computers or used on their computers. Any technology or software has to go through oh IT, I don’t think plug-and-play are allowed on these computers unfortunately.


On Jun 10, 2022, at 1:23 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 06:39 AM, Kestrel Verlager wrote:
become familiar with Microsoft Narrator for troubleshooting issues with Jaws: it’s built into MS Office
-
Slight correction:  It's built into Windows 10 and 11 (and, I believe, 8.1, but I don't have a machine to test right now).

It can also be worthwhile to have a portable copy of NVDA on a USB drive if you are able to access USB drives on the computer you will be using.  I know that there are certain agencies where any "plug n' play" USB storage is completely disabled, but those agencies are relatively few in number.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

 

For those who want to check out "what's what" on the Google side of the equation:

1. Log in to your Google Account directly or log in to any one of the web interfaces for a Google Service (e.g. Gmail, Docs, etc.) that uses a specific account you want to check.

2. If you logged in to a service, then paste the following into the address box in the browser to take you to your account page:  https://myaccount.google.com/ 

3. Navigate to the Security Pane.

4.  Once the Security Pane is up, since almost everything is handled there via links, bring up the links list in your screen reader.  Filter/search for "2-step" which should land you on the 2-Step Verification link, activate it. You will most likely then have Google ask you to log in again since you are trying to access sensitive information.  If so, just fill in your password on the dialog asking you to log in again and then complete sign-in.

5.  On the 2-step verification page will be a button that is one of two things:  Turn On (if it's currently off) or Turn Off (if it's currently on).   If, by chance, it is turned off then if you want to turn it on activate the Turn On button.

If 2-step verification is on it's virtually certain that whenever you set up your Gmail account in any given email client that you were walked through the OAUTH process in order to gain access.   If you want to check to see what third-party apps have access to your account, and for what:

1. Navigate back to the Security Pane initial page.

2. Bring up the links list again, and activate the Manage third-party access link.

3.  I just down arrow through the page, as after the initial headings that tell you about the section itself, you begin landing on the app, followed by the description of what it has acccess to, followed by a more information (hidden from visual view) button.  Lather, rinse, repeat as you keep down arrowing.

Note Well:  Microsoft Outlook is NOT listed as Microsoft Outlook.  Any Microsoft email client, whether Outlook, the Windows Mail App, etc., that's currently supported will show up in that list as Microsoft Apps & Services.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: not able to send/receive emails

Joseph Machise <josephmachise@...>
 


hi gang also having the same trouble on my windows7

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: not able to send/receive emails

When you deleted the account in Outlook, doesn’t it delete everything? Including the pst and dat files?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not able to send/receive emails

 

 Hi Kevin,

 

It sounds like you’re having the same problem that I’m having on my Windows 10 machine running outlook 2019. After trying a few different approaches, what I ended up doing was deleting the account from Outlook and adding it back in. Except I feel like it still isn’t really right. But I think that might be a different thread something like IMAP versus pop three. I expect this might be what you end up doing as well. Good luck with it because it took me a whole day to figure it out and get things working again. 

 

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone

” those who seek to band books are wrong, no matter how dangerous books can be.“ Viet Thanh Nguyen



On Jun 10, 2022, at 12:08 PM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



spectrum

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not able to send/receive emails

 

Who is the email service provider?
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

Tom Behler
 

Interestingly, I haven’t needed to make any changes here with Outlook and my g-mail account.

 

I don’t remember being asked for two-factor authentication, so hopefully, I’ll be prompted for that when the time comes.

 

Is there something I should be doing now?  I’m operating on the basis of the idea that “if it isn’t broken, don’t fix it!”.

 

Am using Microsoft 365 here on a Windows 10 PC.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 1:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

 

You can’t anymore. Allow Less Secure Apps is no longer an available setting.

 


On Jun 10, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Sandra Streeter <sandrastreeter381@...> wrote:



How do you check whether you have “less secure apps” in operation?

 

 

Sandra

 

Justice without force is powerless; force without justice is tyrannical.

(Blaise Pascal)

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

 

I had no issues with GMAIL on my iPhone, but did on the PC because I was using Outlook Express.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: aaron lane

Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:08 AM

Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

 

I've not had any issues yet with Thunderbird or my IPhone. I am following this thread, so I know what to do, just in case.

 

Thanks.

On 6/10/2022 10:50 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I have heard that it is not necessary to remove and re-create the Gmail account in all cases.  If you have previously been using the "less secure apps" method of accessing the account with email address and actual password, you can go in to your Google Account and generate an app specific password for Outlook and that email account.  Afterwards you update the account in outlook substituting the app specific password for your old text password.  As previously noted, you have to turn on two-factor authentication for the account.

Personally, I prefer to nuke the account and set it up again if IMAP access has been the access method being used.  Outlook 2016 and later walk you through doing the Gmail OAUTH steps and then everything is up to completely modern security protocols.

Outlook 2013 can be set up to use modern security protocols, too, but it requires the additon of 3 registry keys.  Why they never turned this feature on in an Outlook 2013 update I'll never know.  I have a REG script that sets these keys: Outlook2013ModernAuth.REG
Should you elect to download this, you will get a warning from Google that it cannot be virus scanned and is an executable that could harm your computer.  It's a text file containing registry edit commands to set those three keys, and after you download it, should you wish to examine it before running, select the file, bring up the context menu, and choose Edit.  Otherwise, if you select the file and activate it then this will fire up the regedit utility which will use the commands in this file to set the three keys.  When regedit fires up you will get a UAC dialog (if you have UAC on, and most do) asking if you want to allow changes to be made to your system, to which you must answer, Yes, if you want the registry keys to be added.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: not able to send/receive emails

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 02:22 PM, Curtis Chong wrote:
When you delete the account in Outlook, your data files are not wiped.
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And it really wouldn't matter how Outlook is handling things anyway.  Server side protocols like MS Exchange and IMAP do everything of importance, including storing messages, on the server.  Deleting an account from any given email client that's had access changes nothing on the server side.  And if you choose to connect to that account again, whether in Outlook or any other email client, all of your messages and folders you've created should synchronize automatically, though it will take some time if you are a pack rat as far as keeping messages goes.

 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Federal Employment and Accommodations

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 06:39 AM, Kestrel Verlager wrote:
become familiar with Microsoft Narrator for troubleshooting issues with Jaws: it’s built into MS Office
-
Slight correction:  It's built into Windows 10 and 11 (and, I believe, 8.1, but I don't have a machine to test right now).

It can also be worthwhile to have a portable copy of NVDA on a USB drive if you are able to access USB drives on the computer you will be using.  I know that there are certain agencies where any "plug n' play" USB storage is completely disabled, but those agencies are relatively few in number.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: not able to send/receive emails

Curtis Chong
 

Hello:

 

When you delete the account in Outlook, your data files are not wiped.

 

Cordially,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not able to send/receive emails

 

When you deleted the account in Outlook, doesn’t it delete everything? Including the pst and dat files?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not able to send/receive emails

 

 Hi Kevin,

 

It sounds like you’re having the same problem that I’m having on my Windows 10 machine running outlook 2019. After trying a few different approaches, what I ended up doing was deleting the account from Outlook and adding it back in. Except I feel like it still isn’t really right. But I think that might be a different thread something like IMAP versus pop three. I expect this might be what you end up doing as well. Good luck with it because it took me a whole day to figure it out and get things working again. 

 

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone

” those who seek to band books are wrong, no matter how dangerous books can be.“ Viet Thanh Nguyen

 

On Jun 10, 2022, at 12:08 PM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



spectrum

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not able to send/receive emails

 

Who is the email service provider?
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: not able to send/receive emails

kevin meyers <kman2020@...>
 

When you deleted the account in Outlook, doesn’t it delete everything? Including the pst and dat files?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not able to send/receive emails

 

 Hi Kevin,

 

It sounds like you’re having the same problem that I’m having on my Windows 10 machine running outlook 2019. After trying a few different approaches, what I ended up doing was deleting the account from Outlook and adding it back in. Except I feel like it still isn’t really right. But I think that might be a different thread something like IMAP versus pop three. I expect this might be what you end up doing as well. Good luck with it because it took me a whole day to figure it out and get things working again. 

 

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone

” those who seek to band books are wrong, no matter how dangerous books can be.“ Viet Thanh Nguyen



On Jun 10, 2022, at 12:08 PM, kevin meyers <kman2020@...> wrote:



spectrum

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not able to send/receive emails

 

Who is the email service provider?
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 01:48 PM, kevin meyers wrote:
When you say nuke the account, do you mean just in Outlook
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Just this.  
 
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Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: not able to send/receive emails

Bill White
 

Hi, Kevin. Thunderbird is an email client. It does, indeed function with the same purpose as Outlook. I won't say that it functions like Outlook, because the menus and such are very different.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kevin meyers
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 10:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not able to send/receive emails

 

If I remove the email address that is unable to send or receive emails, I think I will have to back up the pst and dat files. I think when deleting an account in Outlook it will delete everything. Including the pst and dat files. I thought thunderbird was just a browser. Or does Thunderbird function like Outlook?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not able to send/receive emails

 

Kevin,

This could be an issue with a profile corruption in Outlook, but it might not be.

If you are comfortable with setting up another email client such as Thunderbird and adding all the accounts there, and seeing if they load messages correctly, that would be a useful diagnostic step to see if the issue lies with Outlook or Spectrum (it wouldn't be the first time an email service provider says, "we're having no issues," when the issue lies with them).  If everything loads in Thunderbird, then it at least could be an issue with your Outlook profile.

Also, you should let Outlook do the setup for the servers for Spectrum itself.  I know that they have accurate data about which IMAP and SMTP servers, ports, and protocols are used by Spectrum.  You could try re-adding the account and do NOT manually set up anything.  Just give Outlook the email address and password when prompted and let it do the rest.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: not able to send/receive emails

kevin meyers <kman2020@...>
 

If I remove the email address that is unable to send or receive emails, I think I will have to back up the pst and dat files. I think when deleting an account in Outlook it will delete everything. Including the pst and dat files. I thought thunderbird was just a browser. Or does Thunderbird function like Outlook?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not able to send/receive emails

 

Kevin,

This could be an issue with a profile corruption in Outlook, but it might not be.

If you are comfortable with setting up another email client such as Thunderbird and adding all the accounts there, and seeing if they load messages correctly, that would be a useful diagnostic step to see if the issue lies with Outlook or Spectrum (it wouldn't be the first time an email service provider says, "we're having no issues," when the issue lies with them).  If everything loads in Thunderbird, then it at least could be an issue with your Outlook profile.

Also, you should let Outlook do the setup for the servers for Spectrum itself.  I know that they have accurate data about which IMAP and SMTP servers, ports, and protocols are used by Spectrum.  You could try re-adding the account and do NOT manually set up anything.  Just give Outlook the email address and password when prompted and let it do the rest.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

kevin meyers <kman2020@...>
 

Brian, When you say nuke the account, do you mean just in Outlook or on Google as well?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

 

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 12:08 PM, aaron lane wrote:

I've not had any issues yet with Thunderbird or my IPhone.

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And you won't unless you used the "less secure apps" connection option, which you most likely didn't.  Thunderbird has been able to configure with OAUTH for Gmail for quite a while now and I suspect Apple's email client has, too, but I cannot swear to that.

The only people who will encounter issues are those who set up their accounts using the "less secure apps" option which is being eliminated.  They will have to turn on two factor authentication (if it's not already on - I think Google may have automatically set this but it's worth checking) and then generate an app specific password if they are using an email client that does not support OAUTH.  If they're using a client that does (Outlook 2016 and later, as well as 2013 if the registry tweak is done, Thunderbird, and many others) and have been using IMAP access, the best thing to do would be to nuke the account and re-create it.  There's nothing lost when you use IMAP access, which is one of the beauties of IMAP access.  Most email clients have been automatically selecting IMAP access protocol where it's available for some years now, and Gmail has had it available by default for many years now.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

Curtis Chong
 

You can’t anymore. Allow Less Secure Apps is no longer an available setting.


On Jun 10, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Sandra Streeter <sandrastreeter381@...> wrote:



How do you check whether you have “less secure apps” in operation?

 

 

Sandra

 

Justice without force is powerless; force without justice is tyrannical.

(Blaise Pascal)

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

 

I had no issues with GMAIL on my iPhone, but did on the PC because I was using Outlook Express.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: aaron lane

Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:08 AM

Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

 

I've not had any issues yet with Thunderbird or my IPhone. I am following this thread, so I know what to do, just in case.

 

Thanks.

On 6/10/2022 10:50 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I have heard that it is not necessary to remove and re-create the Gmail account in all cases.  If you have previously been using the "less secure apps" method of accessing the account with email address and actual password, you can go in to your Google Account and generate an app specific password for Outlook and that email account.  Afterwards you update the account in outlook substituting the app specific password for your old text password.  As previously noted, you have to turn on two-factor authentication for the account.

Personally, I prefer to nuke the account and set it up again if IMAP access has been the access method being used.  Outlook 2016 and later walk you through doing the Gmail OAUTH steps and then everything is up to completely modern security protocols.

Outlook 2013 can be set up to use modern security protocols, too, but it requires the additon of 3 registry keys.  Why they never turned this feature on in an Outlook 2013 update I'll never know.  I have a REG script that sets these keys: Outlook2013ModernAuth.REG
Should you elect to download this, you will get a warning from Google that it cannot be virus scanned and is an executable that could harm your computer.  It's a text file containing registry edit commands to set those three keys, and after you download it, should you wish to examine it before running, select the file, bring up the context menu, and choose Edit.  Otherwise, if you select the file and activate it then this will fire up the regedit utility which will use the commands in this file to set the three keys.  When regedit fires up you will get a UAC dialog (if you have UAC on, and most do) asking if you want to allow changes to be made to your system, to which you must answer, Yes, if you want the registry keys to be added.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

Sandra Streeter
 

How do you check whether you have “less secure apps” in operation?

 

 

Sandra

 

Justice without force is powerless; force without justice is tyrannical.

(Blaise Pascal)

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

 

I had no issues with GMAIL on my iPhone, but did on the PC because I was using Outlook Express.

 

Andy

 

----- Original Message -----

From: aaron lane

Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:08 AM

Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

 

I've not had any issues yet with Thunderbird or my IPhone. I am following this thread, so I know what to do, just in case.

 

Thanks.

On 6/10/2022 10:50 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I have heard that it is not necessary to remove and re-create the Gmail account in all cases.  If you have previously been using the "less secure apps" method of accessing the account with email address and actual password, you can go in to your Google Account and generate an app specific password for Outlook and that email account.  Afterwards you update the account in outlook substituting the app specific password for your old text password.  As previously noted, you have to turn on two-factor authentication for the account.

Personally, I prefer to nuke the account and set it up again if IMAP access has been the access method being used.  Outlook 2016 and later walk you through doing the Gmail OAUTH steps and then everything is up to completely modern security protocols.

Outlook 2013 can be set up to use modern security protocols, too, but it requires the additon of 3 registry keys.  Why they never turned this feature on in an Outlook 2013 update I'll never know.  I have a REG script that sets these keys: Outlook2013ModernAuth.REG
Should you elect to download this, you will get a warning from Google that it cannot be virus scanned and is an executable that could harm your computer.  It's a text file containing registry edit commands to set those three keys, and after you download it, should you wish to examine it before running, select the file, bring up the context menu, and choose Edit.  Otherwise, if you select the file and activate it then this will fire up the regedit utility which will use the commands in this file to set the three keys.  When regedit fires up you will get a UAC dialog (if you have UAC on, and most do) asking if you want to allow changes to be made to your system, to which you must answer, Yes, if you want the registry keys to be added.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
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moderated Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

Andy
 


I had no issues with GMAIL on my iPhone, but did on the PC because I was using Outlook Express.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
From: aaron lane
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

I've not had any issues yet with Thunderbird or my IPhone. I am following this thread, so I know what to do, just in case.


Thanks.

On 6/10/2022 10:50 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I have heard that it is not necessary to remove and re-create the Gmail account in all cases.  If you have previously been using the "less secure apps" method of accessing the account with email address and actual password, you can go in to your Google Account and generate an app specific password for Outlook and that email account.  Afterwards you update the account in outlook substituting the app specific password for your old text password.  As previously noted, you have to turn on two-factor authentication for the account.

Personally, I prefer to nuke the account and set it up again if IMAP access has been the access method being used.  Outlook 2016 and later walk you through doing the Gmail OAUTH steps and then everything is up to completely modern security protocols.

Outlook 2013 can be set up to use modern security protocols, too, but it requires the additon of 3 registry keys.  Why they never turned this feature on in an Outlook 2013 update I'll never know.  I have a REG script that sets these keys: Outlook2013ModernAuth.REG
Should you elect to download this, you will get a warning from Google that it cannot be virus scanned and is an executable that could harm your computer.  It's a text file containing registry edit commands to set those three keys, and after you download it, should you wish to examine it before running, select the file, bring up the context menu, and choose Edit.  Otherwise, if you select the file and activate it then this will fire up the regedit utility which will use the commands in this file to set the three keys.  When regedit fires up you will get a UAC dialog (if you have UAC on, and most do) asking if you want to allow changes to be made to your system, to which you must answer, Yes, if you want the registry keys to be added.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums

aaron lane
 

Great. Thanks for the info.

On 6/10/2022 11:21 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 12:08 PM, aaron lane wrote:
I've not had any issues yet with Thunderbird or my IPhone.
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And you won't unless you used the "less secure apps" connection option, which you most likely didn't.  Thunderbird has been able to configure with OAUTH for Gmail for quite a while now and I suspect Apple's email client has, too, but I cannot swear to that.

The only people who will encounter issues are those who set up their accounts using the "less secure apps" option which is being eliminated.  They will have to turn on two factor authentication (if it's not already on - I think Google may have automatically set this but it's worth checking) and then generate an app specific password if they are using an email client that does not support OAUTH.  If they're using a client that does (Outlook 2016 and later, as well as 2013 if the registry tweak is done, Thunderbird, and many others) and have been using IMAP access, the best thing to do would be to nuke the account and re-create it.  There's nothing lost when you use IMAP access, which is one of the beauties of IMAP access.  Most email clients have been automatically selecting IMAP access protocol where it's available for some years now, and Gmail has had it available by default for many years now.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: not able to send/receive emails

Andy
 

I have a Roadrunner Email account and a Gmail account.  Last evening for several hours I was not receiving any Email. I thought it might be an issue on my end with my PC, but the same thing was happening with my iPhone.
 
This morning all was normal again, so I would assume that it was a Spectrum issue.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 8:33 AM
Subject: not able to send/receive emails

Hello, I’m using the most recent versions of windows10, Jaws2022 and Office 2016. I have 3 emails with one service provider. One of them no longer will send or receive emails. Yesterday I added a new email address. At that time any emails sent to the new email address showed up in the inbox for the new email address and my master email address. I removed the new email address from Outlook 2016 and then in the control panel. I went through all the settings on my master email address and there is nothing different. Is there something else that could be causing this problem? My service provider said they aren’t having any problems. Microsoft Accessibility couldn’t figure it out. Plus it is a pain to get help from MA as something happen to using quick access with Jaws. Now have to use Narrator. Any thoughts? Cheers, Kevin

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