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Re: New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS with A Few Questions
Karen Reynolds
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I don't use scripts, so I can't help you there. I do use a braille display. It is the Focus 40 5th generation. Since I've been a long time user of Jaws, early to mid 90's, I chose this display over others because I wanted the two to work well together. Since Then I understand there are several from other companies that work well with Jaws too. There is another group. The group I found has a braille display focus only. Getting them to work with screen readers; including NVDA, Narrator, IOS, Jaws, etc.; is often discussed on that list. Also deciding which one might work best with your preferred screen reader. Here is the link to learn more. https://groups.io/g/braille-display-users I hope this helps, and I've not stepped on the toes of the moderator. Karen
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lanie Molinar Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 11:27 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS with A Few Questions Hi all. I've been playing with JAWS 2022 for a little while now. I'm a long-time user of NVDA and like it, but I'm interested in some of the features JAWS provides that NVDA doesn't, and I'd like to start using Braille more since I love Braille and am autistic and sometimes have periods of sensory overload with all my screen readers going off around me and other noises in my environment. I know JAWS provides better Braille support, and I'm hoping to get a Braille display soon. I have a few questions though. Are there any resources for finding scripts? I'm used to looking for add-ons in one location, like the NVDA add-ons website. Also, is there a way to make JAWS speak passwords? With NVDA, I have an add-on that does this. Does anyone know of any training resources for people who already know how to use a computer, advanced computer users, or people who have used other screen readers? I looked at the basic training materials, but they seemed a little basic for my needs. Finally, is there anyone who has made this switch and might be able to give me some tips on switching? Thanks.
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Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?
Kestrel Verlager <kestrell@...>
I lost the last of my functional vision in the mid-1990s and, when I went to
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an indie computer support team to put a computer with speech together, I chose Jaws and the DecTalk soundcard (these were about the size of today's laptops, btw). There weren't that many options at the time, and Jaws and DecTalk were possibly the most well-known combination. (Anyone remember Huge Harry and Whispering Wendy?) Over the years, I tried a number of the open source projects that promised alternatives to Jaws, but the ease of installation, range of functionality, and sound quality were never there, and all of them expected the user to have some serious programming chops. I think NVDA only became comfortably accessible to the non-programming general user relatively recently, and a lot of users still aren't comfortable with the default speech synthesizers. The sound of a program is to a visually impaired person what the visual aesthetic is to a sighted person: it conveys a sense of how professional and how fully developed the product is. I think this is where NVDA has failed to impress a lot of users. So I have nearly thirty years experience with Jaws, and I'm faster and more expert on it. I also find that there is a lot more learning resources for it. NVDA users seem to have a lot more of the open source "if you really want to learn it, you'll figure it out yourself" mentality. I paid for one of their training ebooks, but it would be nice if there was a regular training webinar or podcast available. I'm not talking about learning the basics, but keeping up with the constant new developments in the applications we use for work and for accomplishing everyday tasks. FS has lots of webinars on using Jaws with Google Workspace and OCR, and I don't see NVDA offering anything like that, and those are things that keep our job skills competitive. Kestrell
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:24 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA? James JAWS chose me, so to speak, rather than I initially choosing it. When I entered into the world of Windows in the mid to late 1990s, I chose Window-Eyes over Jaws as I was terrified by JFW's user key system (I just didn't understand it, nothing more, and GWMicro just seemed to allow straight installation). I was a very happy and content WE user until the very end; and accepted the offer of a Free JAWS so I took the offer. I continued as the yearly SMA cost was nominal; and t he program seemed to do what it's supposed to do. It works fine; has great user support through lists such as this, and people like Brian Hartgen with his tutorials and his script packages, especially Leasey.. Moreover, Vispero offers a lot of resources via their website; and JAWS supports my preferred speech synthesizer, currently TripleTalk USB. I have nothing against NVDA and admire how much free time dedicated developers give to it. But, with something as vital as a screen reader, I am more comfortable with something that is backed by a company rather than a group of volunteers. Paying the SMA (I do it on a 2-year basis) is my way trying to insure that they can continue to do what they're doing. Most certainly, if the need ever arose that JFW didn't meet, a certain need of mine, I would certainly add NVDA to my screen reader toolbox. Right now, JAWS, Narrator, and, yes, even the Old Window-Eyes final release meet my everyday needs as a retired person. I used to love learning new programs and operating systems as they came, but, in time, mastering the evolving world of technology is like chasing the proverbial rabbit that is never caught. You get close to catching; but then the rabbit springs forward again in amazing speed. I marvel how the programmers and developers of screen readers have been able to keep up as given the constant changes they face.
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Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?
Cornelius
There is no more custom install in JAWS. To remove some features, you have to use the additional settings.ini files, which you can find the instruction from FS webpage. And not to mention, only a few features can be remove.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond Sent: Saturday, 11 June, 2022 8:46 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA? For example, if I am not using the braille display, or remote etc., I should be able to choose not to install those components through a custom dialogue, and not limited to specific one with the INI file. I have always chose "typical" installation over "custom" Thus I thought choosing "custom" you'd be able to pick and choose which programs you could install and ignore others. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cornelius Sent: June 11, 2022 1:25 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA? For me it could be attributed to a few reasons, namely the OCR for PDFs, the easier marking of places in documents with Control+Win+K, and I simply just love the ability to work on various MS office programs with JAWS. The downside with JAWS, which I wish could be more customisable, would be related to installing various components. For example, if I am not using the braille display, or remote etc, I should be able to choose not to install those components through a custom dialogue, and not limited to specific one with the INI file. One may argue that given the ability of NVDA to expand features through Add-on, to me it still isn't as robust as JAWS when dealing with OCR documents and MS Office. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Malone Sent: Saturday, 11 June, 2022 4:04 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA? Hi all, inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering: What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other, I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either, so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something that can only be a positive! Looking forward to hearing from you, James
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Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?
Mike Pietruk
James
JAWS chose me, so to speak, rather than I initially choosing it. When I entered into the world of Windows in the mid to late 1990s, I chose Window-Eyes over Jaws as I was terrified by JFW's user key system (I just didn't understand it, nothing more, and GWMicro just seemed to allow straight installation). I was a very happy and content WE user until the very end; and accepted the offer of a Free JAWS so I took the offer. I continued as the yearly SMA cost was nominal; and t he program seemed to do what it's supposed to do. It works fine; has great user support through lists such as this, and people like Brian Hartgen with his tutorials and his script packages, especially Leasey.. Moreover, Vispero offers a lot of resources via their website; and JAWS supports my preferred speech synthesizer, currently TripleTalk USB. I have nothing against NVDA and admire how much free time dedicated developers give to it. But, with something as vital as a screen reader, I am more comfortable with something that is backed by a company rather than a group of volunteers. Paying the SMA (I do it on a 2-year basis) is my way trying to insure that they can continue to do what they're doing. Most certainly, if the need ever arose that JFW didn't meet, a certain need of mine, I would certainly add NVDA to my screen reader toolbox. Right now, JAWS, Narrator, and, yes, even the Old Window-Eyes final release meet my everyday needs as a retired person. I used to love learning new programs and operating systems as they came, but, in time, mastering the evolving world of technology is like chasing the proverbial rabbit that is never caught. You get close to catching; but then the rabbit springs forward again in amazing speed. I marvel how the programmers and developers of screen readers have been able to keep up as given the constant changes they face.
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Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?
David Diamond
For example, if I am not using the braille display, or remote etc., I should be able to choose not to install those components through a custom dialogue, and not limited to specific one with the INI file. I have always chose "typical" installation over "custom" Thus I thought choosing "custom" you'd be able to pick and choose which programs you could install and ignore others.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cornelius Sent: June 11, 2022 1:25 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA? For me it could be attributed to a few reasons, namely the OCR for PDFs, the easier marking of places in documents with Control+Win+K, and I simply just love the ability to work on various MS office programs with JAWS. The downside with JAWS, which I wish could be more customisable, would be related to installing various components. For example, if I am not using the braille display, or remote etc, I should be able to choose not to install those components through a custom dialogue, and not limited to specific one with the INI file. One may argue that given the ability of NVDA to expand features through Add-on, to me it still isn't as robust as JAWS when dealing with OCR documents and MS Office. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Malone Sent: Saturday, 11 June, 2022 4:04 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA? Hi all, inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering: What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other, I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either, so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something that can only be a positive! Looking forward to hearing from you, James
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Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?
John Covici
In addition to what has been said, I use Leasey which consists of lots
of Jaws scripts which make the computing environment much easier. I don't use all the features of Leasey, but it sure is nice, its zoom scripts are great (an extra cost add-on), and its full of other nice utilities. Also, there are Jaws scripts which makes quickbooks for desktop accessible which nvda does not have. On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 06:31:03 -0400, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote: -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@...
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Re: PDF files?
Kestrel Verlager <kestrell@...>
My experience is that almost all of the inaccessible forms are due to the people who originally create these forms not being fully knowledgeable or educated about how to create accessible forms. Many of them believe that you can simply create a form in Word and have it convert to PDF and everything will be accessible. Others think that creating a visual line for a signature or other piece of data to be entered will be accessible to a screen reader.
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This is aside from the huge issue of how many of these inaccessible forms are old forms which have not been remediated, or can't be remediated for various reasons or, probably the largest category, no one is even aware that they are inaccessible to screen reader users because no one has told them so. So yes, Freedom Scientific and Adobe should continue to increase accessibility features and awareness, but there also needs to be a lot more education when it comes to creating accessible forms themselves. Kestrell
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cornelius Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 9:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: PDF files? Perhaps we should suggest to FS to conduct a WebInAr on editing and filling a PDF form using the Acrobat pro. More often than not, I have to do it the manual way, which is to print out the form, have a sighted person fill it and I would scan it back to PDF. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dacia Cole Sent: Friday, 10 June, 2022 9:55 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: PDF files? I have the same issue. I was trying to fill out a form that was supposedly supposed to be a fillable PDF the other day, and when I tried to OCR it even see what it said it said that it was a scan image and may not work properly. I was able to open it in chrome and read it, but there was no way I could fill it out. I believe I have Adobe acrobat DC Pro. I am using jaws 2022 and either windows 10 or 11 I’m not sure which one my work has. But the fact that PDFs are so universally used and aren’t always made accessible is very frustrating. On Jun 10, 2022, at 8:16 AM, Kestrel Verlager <kestrell@...> wrote:
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Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?
Gerald Levy
For me, the biggest
advantage of JAWS over NVDA is that the former offers Eloquence
voices by default, while the latter offers an incomprehensible
Australian voice by default. Eloquence is only available in
NVDA as a paid download, and even then, there have been reports
that it does not work especially well. And I am not especially
fond of the additional free Microsoft Speech Platform voices
which can be used with NVDA, none of which matches the clairty
and comprehensibility of Eloquence to my ears. So I use NVDA
mostly as a backup in case JAWS stops speaking.
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On 6/11/2022 4:03 AM, James Malone
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Hi all, inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering: What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other, I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either, so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something that can only be a positive! Looking forward to hearing from you, James
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Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?
Edward Green
Hi James, I find JAWS’s Office support better than NVDA’s, and also find it more responsive in Office applications. Some of its productivity features are also really good like text analyzer. This could be just my impression, but I also find the NVDA add-on process a bit messy, EG. a lot of add-ons always seem to break when NVDA is updated and it takes a while for them to get fixed. While I’m sure that does happen to external scripts and JAWS, it doesn’t feel as though it happens nearly as often. Cheers, Ed
On 11 June 2022 09:03:58 "James Malone" <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
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Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?
Cornelius
For me it could be attributed to a few reasons, namely the OCR for PDFs, the easier marking of places in documents with Control+Win+K, and I simply just love the ability to work on various MS office programs with JAWS. The downside with JAWS, which I wish could be more customisable, would be related to installing various components. For example, if I am not using the braille display, or remote etc, I should be able to choose not to install those components through a custom dialogue, and not limited to specific one with the INI file.
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One may argue that given the ability of NVDA to expand features through Add-on, to me it still isn't as robust as JAWS when dealing with OCR documents and MS Office.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Malone Sent: Saturday, 11 June, 2022 4:04 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA? Hi all, inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering: What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other, I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either, so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something that can only be a positive! Looking forward to hearing from you, James
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Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?
James Malone <james.malone93502@...>
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering: What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other, I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how many organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently also told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed either, so there was next to no learning curve when it came to reacquainting myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but to my understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support, something that can only be a positive! Looking forward to hearing from you, James
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New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS with A Few Questions
Hi all. I've been playing with JAWS 2022 for a little while now. I'm a long-time user of NVDA and like it, but I'm interested in some of the features JAWS provides that NVDA doesn't, and I'd like to start using Braille more since I love Braille and am autistic and sometimes have periods of sensory overload with all my screen readers going off around me and other noises in my environment. I know JAWS provides better Braille support, and I'm hoping to get a Braille display soon. I have a few questions though. Are there any resources for finding scripts? I'm used to looking for add-ons in one location, like the NVDA add-ons website. Also, is there a way to make JAWS speak passwords? With NVDA, I have an add-on that does this. Does anyone know of any training resources for people who already know how to use a computer, advanced computer users, or people who have used other screen readers? I looked at the basic training materials, but they seemed a little basic for my needs. Finally, is there anyone who has made this switch and might be able to give me some tips on switching? Thanks.
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Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums
Joseph Machise <josephmachise@...>
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hi curtis if I give you my phone can
you tandum and help me I had a computer tech from a story work on my computer
for a hour and no luck, please write me off list my e-mail off list is
josephmachise@... hope you can help from Joseph, all the
best.
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From: Curtis
Chong
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security
Conundrums Hello:
I need more specifics before I can answer this question. I am gathering that Outlook Express is the email client being used—running on the Windows 7 operating system. This being the case, I would suggest two things to enable Outlook Express to work with the Gmail account.
If you want links or references to articles telling you how to do all of this, please feel free to reach out to me.
Best regards,
Curtis Chong
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Joseph Machise
Curtis can you please tell me about windows7 tried turning it on and my google now even with out turning it on doesn't like the ports in outlook express, what can I do from Joseph, to make google work again ----- Original Message ----- From: Curtis Chong Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums
Tom:
If your version of Office is fairly new, you will not be required to turn on two-factor authentication. This is one reason why I, myself, am on the subscription version of Microsoft 365.
Kindly,
Curtis Chong
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Tom Behler
Interestingly, I haven’t needed to make any changes here with Outlook and my g-mail account.
I don’t remember being asked for two-factor authentication, so hopefully, I’ll be prompted for that when the time comes.
Is there something I should be doing now? I’m operating on the basis of the idea that “if it isn’t broken, don’t fix it!”.
Am using Microsoft 365 here on a Windows 10 PC.
Dr. Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
You can’t anymore. Allow Less Secure Apps is no longer an available setting.
How do you check whether you have “less secure apps” in operation?
Sandra
Justice without force is powerless; force without justice is tyrannical. (Blaise Pascal)
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Andy
I had no issues with GMAIL on my iPhone, but did on the PC because I was using Outlook Express.
Andy
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Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums
Curtis Chong
Hello:
I need more specifics before I can answer this question. I am gathering that Outlook Express is the email client being used—running on the Windows 7 operating system. This being the case, I would suggest two things to enable Outlook Express to work with the Gmail account.
If you want links or references to articles telling you how to do all of this, please feel free to reach out to me.
Best regards,
Curtis Chong
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Machise
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 5:44 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums
Curtis can you please tell me about windows7 tried turning it on and my google now even with out turning it on doesn't like the ports in outlook express, what can I do from Joseph, to make google work again ----- Original Message ----- From: Curtis Chong Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 4:04 PM Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums
Tom:
If your version of Office is fairly new, you will not be required to turn on two-factor authentication. This is one reason why I, myself, am on the subscription version of Microsoft 365.
Kindly,
Curtis Chong
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Interestingly, I haven’t needed to make any changes here with Outlook and my g-mail account.
I don’t remember being asked for two-factor authentication, so hopefully, I’ll be prompted for that when the time comes.
Is there something I should be doing now? I’m operating on the basis of the idea that “if it isn’t broken, don’t fix it!”.
Am using Microsoft 365 here on a Windows 10 PC.
Dr. Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
You can’t anymore. Allow Less Secure Apps is no longer an available setting.
How do you check whether you have “less secure apps” in operation?
Sandra
Justice without force is powerless; force without justice is tyrannical. (Blaise Pascal)
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
I had no issues with GMAIL on my iPhone, but did on the PC because I was using Outlook Express.
Andy
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Re: PDF files?
Cornelius
Perhaps we should suggest to FS to conduct a WebInAr on editing and filling a PDF form using the Acrobat pro. More often than not, I have to do it the manual way, which is to print out the form, have a sighted person fill it and I would scan it back to PDF.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dacia Cole Sent: Friday, 10 June, 2022 9:55 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: PDF files? I have the same issue. I was trying to fill out a form that was supposedly supposed to be a fillable PDF the other day, and when I tried to OCR it even see what it said it said that it was a scan image and may not work properly. I was able to open it in chrome and read it, but there was no way I could fill it out. I believe I have Adobe acrobat DC Pro. I am using jaws 2022 and either windows 10 or 11 I’m not sure which one my work has. But the fact that PDFs are so universally used and aren’t always made accessible is very frustrating. On Jun 10, 2022, at 8:16 AM, Kestrel Verlager <kestrell@...> wrote:
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Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums
Joseph Machise <josephmachise@...>
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Curtis
can you please tell me about windows7 tried turning it on and my google now even
with out turning it on doesn't like the ports in outlook express, what can I do
from Joseph, to make google work again
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From: Curtis
Chong
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security
Conundrums Tom:
If your version of Office is fairly new, you will not be required to turn on two-factor authentication. This is one reason why I, myself, am on the subscription version of Microsoft 365.
Kindly,
Curtis Chong
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Tom Behler
Interestingly, I haven’t needed to make any changes here with Outlook and my g-mail account.
I don’t remember being asked for two-factor authentication, so hopefully, I’ll be prompted for that when the time comes.
Is there something I should be doing now? I’m operating on the basis of the idea that “if it isn’t broken, don’t fix it!”.
Am using Microsoft 365 here on a Windows 10 PC.
Dr. Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
You can’t anymore. Allow Less Secure Apps is no longer an available setting.
How do you check whether you have “less secure apps” in operation?
Sandra
Justice without force is powerless; force without justice is tyrannical. (Blaise Pascal)
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Andy
I had no issues with GMAIL on my iPhone, but did on the PC because I was using Outlook Express.
Andy
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Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums
Peter Donahue
Hello Curtis and everyone,
We too are using the subscription version of Office 365. So far our G-Mail Accounts are working normally.
Peter Donahue
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:05 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Gmail and Outlook: Recent Security Conundrums
Tom:
If your version of Office is fairly new, you will not be required to turn on two-factor authentication. This is one reason why I, myself, am on the subscription version of Microsoft 365.
Kindly,
Curtis Chong
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Interestingly, I haven’t needed to make any changes here with Outlook and my g-mail account.
I don’t remember being asked for two-factor authentication, so hopefully, I’ll be prompted for that when the time comes.
Is there something I should be doing now? I’m operating on the basis of the idea that “if it isn’t broken, don’t fix it!”.
Am using Microsoft 365 here on a Windows 10 PC.
Dr. Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
You can’t anymore. Allow Less Secure Apps is no longer an available setting.
How do you check whether you have “less secure apps” in operation?
Sandra
Justice without force is powerless; force without justice is tyrannical. (Blaise Pascal)
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Andy
I had no issues with GMAIL on my iPhone, but did on the PC because I was using Outlook Express.
Andy
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Re: Federal Employment and Accommodations
Andy
When I worked for the VA you could use any screen reader you
wanted as long as it was JAWS.
The proprietary applications would only work with specialized
JAWS scripts.
As the previous poster said, we were often in a bind because
every time a new version of JAWS came out the scripts were broken and we would
have to wait, perhaps for months before new scripts came down the
pike.
The solution was to continue using older versions of JAWS
which denied us access to new features that were only supported by the latest
JAWS version.
this was one of the major frustrations that ultimately
resulted in my decision to retire.
Andy
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Re: The Newest Version of Microsoft Quick Assist
Another option from Kostadin Kolev on the NVDA Group: "I've used NVDA's command to move the mouse cursor to the currently focused object (which in this case should be the whole QuickAssist window) and them simulated a single left mouse click. That moved the focus inside the QuickAssist window/document. This has to be done each time the QuickAssist program is launched, but it is still better than nothing."
Substitute the JAWS equivalent and the result should be the same. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
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Re: Federal Employment and Accommodations
Andy
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Probably not because they use a scheme where any attached USB
devices need to have some kind of security key.
Andy
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