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moderated Important JAWS Tandem Information for JAWS 2022 Users

Curtis Chong
 

Greetings and salutations:

 

If you are a JAWS 2022 user and wish to connect via JAWS Tandem with a user who is running an older version of JAWS, please be advised that as of right now, this connection will not be possible. You will need to switch to an older version of JAWS in order to achieve a Tandem connection.

 

I am told by the folks at Vispero that, “We are working on getting the auto update of 2021 and a new version of 2020 posted within the next few days.”

 

With kind regards,

 

Curtis Chong

 

 


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Billy Inglis
 

Thanks, but I live in the UK, Billy
 

From: James Rinehart
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
 
Also if you live in the US or a territory, try to find the tech act program in your state to see if they have a low interest extended term loan program folks can use to buy technology.


On Nov 2, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Loy <loyrg2845@...> wrote:


You can get a Annual Home subscription for JAWS for  around $90 a year. There is also a free screen reader "NVDA"
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Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
 
hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

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Was wondering if anyone has knowledge if Spark Instant Messenger is compatible with JAWS 2018?

Thanks

Jim Rinehart


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Billy Inglis
 

hi ED, at my time of life NVDA would be too much of a learning curve, as well as the health Issues I have,
but thanks you guys, Billy

From: Edward Green
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 12:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.
 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Chris
 

Dont forget the £735+ vat to purchase jaws home before you can purchase  an sma or upgrade licence

 

 

 

 

From: Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

 


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Billy Inglis
 

hi David, this is what I mean. I as a pensioner here in Scotland UK just could not afford to pay that kinda money from my weekly pension, Billy

-----Original Message-----
From: David Diamond
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Being Canadian the subscription was not available to me. Perhaps that's changed however, purchasing the SMA was more cost affective in the long run. It cost $160 for 2 years, as apposed to $95 per year with a subscription.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: November 2, 2021 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

There is an annual subscription, some might find it affordable.
It cost about $95 a year, in the US, For Personal/non-commercial use Install on 3 PCs.
TC

On 11/2/21, Billy Inglis <billyinglis49@...> wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from
Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if
there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy






moderated Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

Steve Nutt
 

Your wish is my command.

 

https://twblue.es/pubs/twblue_setup.exe

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monica S
Sent: 02 November 2021 14:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

Could you send the link again please?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of inamuddin khan
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

No this is a direct link for setup which will be setup.exe

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Monica S
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 5:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

Hi, when I used this link to download the file, it downloaded a 54 bit version as a zip folder.  Do I need to extract these files and within that folder I’ll find the TW Blue.exe file?  Should I then press Enter on that? 

 

I did delete the %appdata% and deleted TW Blue from that folder before I downloaded.

 

Thanks,

 

Monica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of inamuddin khan
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 11:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

Try this one:

https://twblue.es/pubs/twblue_setup.exe

               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: stewartross via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

i am on jaws 2019 windows 7, and mines stopped to.

stew

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:31 PM

Subject: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

TW Blue suddenly stopped working on my computer this weekend.  I am running JAWS 2022 and latest version of windows 10.  Is anyone else experiencing problems with TW Blue?

 

Does anyone have suggestions for an app for getting and responding to tweets on a windows 10 computer?

 

Randy Meyer

 

 


moderated Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Tom,

Go into Sound Settings in Windows, and make sure the sound card that you want to play the start up sound from, is the default sound card. If it isn't, then you won't hear it.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: 02 November 2021 14:47
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Bill:

Yes, I do have a secondary sound card, but, at least as far as I can tell, re-arranging the sound card configurations has not allowed the startup sound to come back.

Will continue to check this possibility out, though.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. I have a question. Do you have a secondary sound card installed in your Dell? If so, the system sounds may be going to the default sound card, and JAWS and all other sounds to the secondary sound card. This could be why you aren't hearing your startup sound.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

So, how do you make it so that startup is defined in your sound scheme?

This is all new to me.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

I've never heard of that one.

Fast Start Up is uncheck on all my machines, and the Windows start up sound works.

The issue I believe is that no start up sound is defined in your sound scheme, in that case, it won't work.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 November 2021 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. On some computers, the startup sound won't play unless Fast Startup is checked.

Bill White

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Dave and all:

I followed the instructions below for activating the windows start-up sound, and play windows startup sound is checked.

However, when I shut down and then re-boot my computer, the start-up sound does not play.

I am referring here to the older computer that I recently updated to Windows 10 from Windows 7.

I believe that the windows start-up sound played immediately after I did the update, but no longer plays after I downloaded and installed new Dell drivers for my system.

Is there anything else I should check?

Tom Behler

How to turn on the "play Windows startup sound" function in Windows 10

1. When you are at the desktop, tap the WINDOWS Key, and type "change system sounds" (without the quotes, in the search edit field. Generally, as soon as you type the two letters ch, Windows usually delimits to this result. If it does, press ENTER, to open the utility.

2. When the utility opens, JAWS will speak some Windows information about system sound themes. If you do not wish to listen to the information, Tap the CTRL key, to stop JAWS speaking the infomation.

3, Tap the TAB key, until JAWS says, "play Windows startup sound". JAWS will tell you it is unchecked. This is the default setting.

4. Tap the SPACE BAR, to check the check box.

5. Tap the TAB key until you get to the Apply button, press the SPACE BAR, to apply the change

6. Tap the TAB key, until you get to the OK button, Press the SPACE BAR or, the ENTER key, to activate the OK button, to close the utility and return the system to the Desktop.

7. When you turn on the computer, restart Windows or, you wake the computer using either the Sleep mode or, Hibernation Mode, the play Windows startup sound will be played.

8. After you hear the Windows Startup sound, if you are someone who needs to enter a Windows password or, a Microsoft account password to log in to Windows, and you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start at the Log on screen, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator. When Narrator starts speaking, Narrator should tell you , that you are at the point where you need to enter the Windows password or, the Microsoft account password to log into Windows.

9. If you are someone who has disabled the default log on screen, when you hear the play Windows startup sound, Windows is at the Desktop. If you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start after Windows Log on, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS
KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator and get access to Windows.


moderated Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Tom,

None of my computers have fast start up enabled, yet the start up sound works on all three of them.

My suspicion is that you have more than one sound card and the start up sound is going to the wrong one.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: 02 November 2021 14:34
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Sieghard:

The windows startup sound is checked, but I still don't get the sound when I boot up my computer.

I'm told that I might have to enable "fast startup" in order to make this happen.

Can you confirm this?

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 1:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

The startup sound is a simple checkbox.
Open Control Panel
Go to Sound and press enter
Pres Control + Tab twice to go from the Playback tab to the Recording tab and finally the Sounds tab, you can also press Shift + Tab until you hear "Playback tab" and then arrow right twice to Sounds Tab until you hear "Play Windows Startup Sound" and make sure the checkbox is checked, then tab to OK and activate it.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: November 1, 2021 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

So, how do you make it so that startup is defined in your sound scheme?

This is all new to me.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

I've never heard of that one.

Fast Start Up is uncheck on all my machines, and the Windows start up sound works.

The issue I believe is that no start up sound is defined in your sound scheme, in that case, it won't work.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 November 2021 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. On some computers, the startup sound won't play unless Fast Startup is checked.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Dave and all:

I followed the instructions below for activating the windows start-up sound, and play windows startup sound is checked.

However, when I shut down and then re-boot my computer, the start-up sound does not play.

I am referring here to the older computer that I recently updated to Windows 10 from Windows 7.

I believe that the windows start-up sound played immediately after I did the update, but no longer plays after I downloaded and installed new Dell drivers for my system.

Is there anything else I should check?

Tom Behler

How to turn on the "play Windows startup sound" function in Windows 10

1. When you are at the desktop, tap the WINDOWS Key, and type "change system sounds" (without the quotes, in the search edit field. Generally, as soon as you type the two letters ch, Windows usually delimits to this result. If it does, press ENTER, to open the utility.

2. When the utility opens, JAWS will speak some Windows information about system sound themes. If you do not wish to listen to the information, Tap the CTRL key, to stop JAWS speaking the infomation.

3, Tap the TAB key, until JAWS says, "play Windows startup sound". JAWS will tell you it is unchecked. This is the default setting.

4. Tap the SPACE BAR, to check the check box.

5. Tap the TAB key until you get to the Apply button, press the SPACE BAR, to apply the change

6. Tap the TAB key, until you get to the OK button, Press the SPACE BAR or, the ENTER key, to activate the OK button, to close the utility and return the system to the Desktop.

7. When you turn on the computer, restart Windows or, you wake the computer using either the Sleep mode or, Hibernation Mode, the play Windows startup sound will be played.

8. After you hear the Windows Startup sound, if you are someone who needs to enter a Windows password or, a Microsoft account password to log in to Windows, and you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start at the Log on screen, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator. When Narrator starts speaking, Narrator should tell you , that you are at the point where you need to enter the Windows password or, the Microsoft account password to log into Windows.

9. If you are someone who has disabled the default log on screen, when you hear the play Windows startup sound, Windows is at the Desktop. If you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start after Windows Log on, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS
KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator and get access to Windows.


moderated Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

Monica S
 

Could you send the link again please?

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of inamuddin khan
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 10:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

No this is a direct link for setup which will be setup.exe

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Monica S
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 5:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

Hi, when I used this link to download the file, it downloaded a 54 bit version as a zip folder.  Do I need to extract these files and within that folder I’ll find the TW Blue.exe file?  Should I then press Enter on that? 

 

I did delete the %appdata% and deleted TW Blue from that folder before I downloaded.

 

Thanks,

 

Monica

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of inamuddin khan
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 11:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

Try this one:

https://twblue.es/pubs/twblue_setup.exe

               

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: stewartross via groups.io
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

i am on jaws 2019 windows 7, and mines stopped to.

stew

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:31 PM

Subject: TW Blue Stopped Working

 

TW Blue suddenly stopped working on my computer this weekend.  I am running JAWS 2022 and latest version of windows 10.  Is anyone else experiencing problems with TW Blue?

 

Does anyone have suggestions for an app for getting and responding to tweets on a windows 10 computer?

 

Randy Meyer

 

 


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

David Diamond
 

Being Canadian the subscription was not available to me. Perhaps that's changed however, purchasing the SMA was more cost affective in the long run. It cost $160 for 2 years, as apposed to $95 per year with a subscription.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: November 2, 2021 3:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

There is an annual subscription, some might find it affordable.
It cost about $95 a year, in the US, For Personal/non-commercial use Install on 3 PCs.
TC

On 11/2/21, Billy Inglis <billyinglis49@...> wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from
Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if
there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy






moderated Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Tom Behler
 

Bill:

Yes, I do have a secondary sound card, but, at least as far as I can tell, re-arranging the sound card configurations has not allowed the startup sound to come back.

Will continue to check this possibility out, though.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 7:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. I have a question. Do you have a secondary sound card installed in your Dell? If so, the system sounds may be going to the default sound card, and JAWS and all other sounds to the secondary sound card. This could be why you aren't hearing your startup sound.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

So, how do you make it so that startup is defined in your sound scheme?

This is all new to me.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

I've never heard of that one.

Fast Start Up is uncheck on all my machines, and the Windows start up sound works.

The issue I believe is that no start up sound is defined in your sound scheme, in that case, it won't work.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 November 2021 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. On some computers, the startup sound won't play unless Fast Startup is checked.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Dave and all:

I followed the instructions below for activating the windows start-up sound, and play windows startup sound is checked.

However, when I shut down and then re-boot my computer, the start-up sound does not play.

I am referring here to the older computer that I recently updated to Windows 10 from Windows 7.

I believe that the windows start-up sound played immediately after I did the update, but no longer plays after I downloaded and installed new Dell drivers for my system.

Is there anything else I should check?

Tom Behler

How to turn on the "play Windows startup sound" function in Windows 10

1. When you are at the desktop, tap the WINDOWS Key, and type "change system sounds" (without the quotes, in the search edit field. Generally, as soon as you type the two letters ch, Windows usually delimits to this result. If it does, press ENTER, to open the utility.

2. When the utility opens, JAWS will speak some Windows information about system sound themes. If you do not wish to listen to the information, Tap the CTRL key, to stop JAWS speaking the infomation.

3, Tap the TAB key, until JAWS says, "play Windows startup sound". JAWS will tell you it is unchecked. This is the default setting.

4. Tap the SPACE BAR, to check the check box.

5. Tap the TAB key until you get to the Apply button, press the SPACE BAR, to apply the change

6. Tap the TAB key, until you get to the OK button, Press the SPACE BAR or, the ENTER key, to activate the OK button, to close the utility and return the system to the Desktop.

7. When you turn on the computer, restart Windows or, you wake the computer using either the Sleep mode or, Hibernation Mode, the play Windows startup sound will be played.

8. After you hear the Windows Startup sound, if you are someone who needs to enter a Windows password or, a Microsoft account password to log in to Windows, and you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start at the Log on screen, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator. When Narrator starts speaking, Narrator should tell you , that you are at the point where you need to enter the Windows password or, the Microsoft account password to log into Windows.

9. If you are someone who has disabled the default log on screen, when you hear the play Windows startup sound, Windows is at the Desktop. If you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start after Windows Log on, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS
KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator and get access to Windows.


moderated Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Tom Behler
 

No apology needed.

Sometimes, I feel that this stuff is way more difficult than it should be.

I'll keep working at the problem here, and appreciate everyone's help.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 5:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi Tom,

Looks like you can't any more. I thought there was a sound associated with it in your sound theme, but I can't find it.

Sorry for misleading you.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: 01 November 2021 23:49
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

So, how do you make it so that startup is defined in your sound scheme?

This is all new to me.

Tom Behler


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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

I've never heard of that one.

Fast Start Up is uncheck on all my machines, and the Windows start up sound works.

The issue I believe is that no start up sound is defined in your sound scheme, in that case, it won't work.

All the best

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 November 2021 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. On some computers, the startup sound won't play unless Fast Startup is checked.

Bill White

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Dave and all:

I followed the instructions below for activating the windows start-up sound, and play windows startup sound is checked.

However, when I shut down and then re-boot my computer, the start-up sound does not play.

I am referring here to the older computer that I recently updated to Windows 10 from Windows 7.

I believe that the windows start-up sound played immediately after I did the update, but no longer plays after I downloaded and installed new Dell drivers for my system.

Is there anything else I should check?

Tom Behler

How to turn on the "play Windows startup sound" function in Windows 10

1. When you are at the desktop, tap the WINDOWS Key, and type "change system sounds" (without the quotes, in the search edit field. Generally, as soon as you type the two letters ch, Windows usually delimits to this result. If it does, press ENTER, to open the utility.

2. When the utility opens, JAWS will speak some Windows information about system sound themes. If you do not wish to listen to the information, Tap the CTRL key, to stop JAWS speaking the infomation.

3, Tap the TAB key, until JAWS says, "play Windows startup sound". JAWS will tell you it is unchecked. This is the default setting.

4. Tap the SPACE BAR, to check the check box.

5. Tap the TAB key until you get to the Apply button, press the SPACE BAR, to apply the change

6. Tap the TAB key, until you get to the OK button, Press the SPACE BAR or, the ENTER key, to activate the OK button, to close the utility and return the system to the Desktop.

7. When you turn on the computer, restart Windows or, you wake the computer using either the Sleep mode or, Hibernation Mode, the play Windows startup sound will be played.

8. After you hear the Windows Startup sound, if you are someone who needs to enter a Windows password or, a Microsoft account password to log in to Windows, and you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start at the Log on screen, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator. When Narrator starts speaking, Narrator should tell you , that you are at the point where you need to enter the Windows password or, the Microsoft account password to log into Windows.

9. If you are someone who has disabled the default log on screen, when you hear the play Windows startup sound, Windows is at the Desktop. If you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start after Windows Log on, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS
KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator and get access to Windows.


moderated Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Tom Behler
 

Sieghard:

The windows startup sound is checked, but I still don't get the sound when I boot up my computer.

I'm told that I might have to enable "fast startup" in order to make this happen.

Can you confirm this?

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 1:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

The startup sound is a simple checkbox.
Open Control Panel
Go to Sound and press enter
Pres Control + Tab twice to go from the Playback tab to the Recording tab and finally the Sounds tab, you can also press Shift + Tab until you hear "Playback tab" and then arrow right twice to Sounds Tab until you hear "Play Windows Startup Sound" and make sure the checkbox is checked, then tab to OK and activate it.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: November 1, 2021 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

So, how do you make it so that startup is defined in your sound scheme?

This is all new to me.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

I've never heard of that one.

Fast Start Up is uncheck on all my machines, and the Windows start up sound works.

The issue I believe is that no start up sound is defined in your sound scheme, in that case, it won't work.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 November 2021 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. On some computers, the startup sound won't play unless Fast Startup is checked.

Bill White

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Dave and all:

I followed the instructions below for activating the windows start-up sound, and play windows startup sound is checked.

However, when I shut down and then re-boot my computer, the start-up sound does not play.

I am referring here to the older computer that I recently updated to Windows 10 from Windows 7.

I believe that the windows start-up sound played immediately after I did the update, but no longer plays after I downloaded and installed new Dell drivers for my system.

Is there anything else I should check?

Tom Behler

How to turn on the "play Windows startup sound" function in Windows 10

1. When you are at the desktop, tap the WINDOWS Key, and type "change system sounds" (without the quotes, in the search edit field. Generally, as soon as you type the two letters ch, Windows usually delimits to this result. If it does, press ENTER, to open the utility.

2. When the utility opens, JAWS will speak some Windows information about system sound themes. If you do not wish to listen to the information, Tap the CTRL key, to stop JAWS speaking the infomation.

3, Tap the TAB key, until JAWS says, "play Windows startup sound". JAWS will tell you it is unchecked. This is the default setting.

4. Tap the SPACE BAR, to check the check box.

5. Tap the TAB key until you get to the Apply button, press the SPACE BAR, to apply the change

6. Tap the TAB key, until you get to the OK button, Press the SPACE BAR or, the ENTER key, to activate the OK button, to close the utility and return the system to the Desktop.

7. When you turn on the computer, restart Windows or, you wake the computer using either the Sleep mode or, Hibernation Mode, the play Windows startup sound will be played.

8. After you hear the Windows Startup sound, if you are someone who needs to enter a Windows password or, a Microsoft account password to log in to Windows, and you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start at the Log on screen, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator. When Narrator starts speaking, Narrator should tell you , that you are at the point where you need to enter the Windows password or, the Microsoft account password to log into Windows.

9. If you are someone who has disabled the default log on screen, when you hear the play Windows startup sound, Windows is at the Desktop. If you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start after Windows Log on, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS
KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator and get access to Windows.


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Ed,

 

Don’t Sight And Sound use Divide By as well, so you could pay for JAWS in 12 monthly installments?

 

All the best


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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Edward Green
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:56
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Billy is in the UK I believe.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Rinehart
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

Also if you live in the US or a territory, try to find the tech act program in your state to see if they have a low interest extended term loan program folks can use to buy technology. 



On Nov 2, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Loy <loyrg2845@...> wrote:



You can get a Annual Home subscription for JAWS for  around $90 a year. There is also a free screen reader "NVDA"

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Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

 

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


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moderated Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

Steve Nutt
 

Straight from the Downloads link on the website comes:-

https://twblue.es/pubs/twblue_setup.exe

That one sworks.

All the best

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici
Sent: 02 November 2021 12:00
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working

hmmm, the portable version I downloaded was 0.95 released in 2019, and it
did not work, whereas the snapshot portible version was from sometime this
year and it worked correctly. At least, this is what happened to me.

On Tue, 02 Nov 2021 05:44:11 -0400,
Steve Nutt wrote:

[1 <text/plain; utf-8 (quoted-printable)>] Hi,



You don?t need the snapshot any more, just go to the TWBlue website and
download the latest Windows installer.



All the best


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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monica S
Sent: 02 November 2021 00:01
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working



Hi, when I used this link to download the file, it downloaded a 54 bit
version as a zip folder. Do I need to extract these files and within that
folder I?ll find the TW Blue.exe file? Should I then press Enter on that?



I did delete the %appdata% and deleted TW Blue from that folder before I
downloaded.



Thanks,



Monica





From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of inamuddin
khan
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 11:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working



Try this one:

https://twblue.es/pubs/twblue_setup.exe





Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows



From: stewartross via groups.io <mailto:stewartross@...>
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: TW Blue Stopped Working



i am on jaws 2019 windows 7, and mines stopped to.

stew

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From: <mailto:randymeyer@...> Randy Meyer

To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:31 PM

Subject: TW Blue Stopped Working



TW Blue suddenly stopped working on my computer this weekend. I am
running JAWS 2022 and latest version of windows 10. Is anyone else
experiencing problems with TW Blue?



Does anyone have suggestions for an app for getting and responding to
tweets on a windows 10 computer?



Randy Meyer










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moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Steve Nutt
 

Not in the UK unfortunately.

All the best

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hareth
Sent: 02 November 2021 10:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

There is an annual subscription, some might find it affordable.
It cost about $95 a year, in the US, For Personal/non-commercial use Install on 3 PCs.
TC

On 11/2/21, Billy Inglis <billyinglis49@...> wrote:
hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from
Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if
there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy






moderated Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Dave Durber
 

Bill:

If there is a second sound card installed, and Windows has chosen to use the sound card as the default sound source, not only would all sounds go to that sound card, JAWS would as well, Unless Tom has JAWS specifically set to use the on-board sound card. And of course, if Tom does not have headphones or speakers connected to the sound card, he would hear, The name of the village in Dylan Thomas's poem, Under Milk Wood, which was called, llregub, that is, bugger all spelled backwards. I wish i could get Eloquence using the British English or the US English, to pronounce l l at the beginning of Llaggerub correctly, the way the Welsh pronounce ll.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill White" <billwhite92701@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound


Hi, Tom. I have a question. Do you have a secondary sound card installed in your Dell? If so, the system sounds may be going to the default sound card, and JAWS and all other sounds to the secondary sound card. This could be why you aren't hearing your startup sound.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 4:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

So, how do you make it so that startup is defined in your sound scheme?

This is all new to me.

Tom Behler


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

I've never heard of that one.

Fast Start Up is uncheck on all my machines, and the Windows start up sound works.

The issue I believe is that no start up sound is defined in your sound scheme, in that case, it won't work.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 01 November 2021 20:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Hi, Tom. On some computers, the startup sound won't play unless Fast Startup is checked.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, November 1, 2021 1:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Still Have Problems Activating Windows Startup Sound

Dave and all:

I followed the instructions below for activating the windows start-up sound, and play windows startup sound is checked.

However, when I shut down and then re-boot my computer, the start-up sound does not play.

I am referring here to the older computer that I recently updated to Windows 10 from Windows 7.

I believe that the windows start-up sound played immediately after I did the update, but no longer plays after I downloaded and installed new Dell drivers for my system.

Is there anything else I should check?

Tom Behler

How to turn on the "play Windows startup sound" function in Windows 10

1. When you are at the desktop, tap the WINDOWS Key, and type "change system sounds" (without the quotes, in the search edit field. Generally, as soon as you type the two letters ch, Windows usually delimits to this result. If it does, press ENTER, to open the utility.

2. When the utility opens, JAWS will speak some Windows information about system sound themes. If you do not wish to listen to the information, Tap the CTRL key, to stop JAWS speaking the infomation.

3, Tap the TAB key, until JAWS says, "play Windows startup sound". JAWS will tell you it is unchecked. This is the default setting.

4. Tap the SPACE BAR, to check the check box.

5. Tap the TAB key until you get to the Apply button, press the SPACE BAR, to apply the change

6. Tap the TAB key, until you get to the OK button, Press the SPACE BAR or, the ENTER key, to activate the OK button, to close the utility and return the system to the Desktop.

7. When you turn on the computer, restart Windows or, you wake the computer using either the Sleep mode or, Hibernation Mode, the play Windows startup sound will be played.

8. After you hear the Windows Startup sound, if you are someone who needs to enter a Windows password or, a Microsoft account password to log in to Windows, and you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start at the Log on screen, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator. When Narrator starts speaking, Narrator should tell you , that you are at the point where you need to enter the Windows password or, the Microsoft account password to log into Windows.

9. If you are someone who has disabled the default log on screen, when you hear the play Windows startup sound, Windows is at the Desktop. If you have not installed another screen reader or, you have, but it has not been set to start after Windows Log on, this is where you need to press CTRL+WINDOWS
KEY+ENTER, to start Narrator and get access to Windows.


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

Edward Green
 

Fi Billy,

The annual subscription mentioned isn’t available tu us in the UK as yet.

However, every summer Sight and Sound reduce the price of JAWS and other FS products in line with sales offered by FS. I can’t remember what the price of a JAWS licence was this year, but it wasn’t over £150 I don’t think.

Hanging on until July/August is likely to be your best bet, though NVDA as has already been suggested is a capable screen reader which may well meet your needs.

Cheers,

Ed

On 2 November 2021 10:06:53 "Billy Inglis" <billyinglis49@...> wrote:

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy


moderated Re: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

James Rinehart
 

Also if you live in the US or a territory, try to find the tech act program in your state to see if they have a low interest extended term loan program folks can use to buy technology. 


On Nov 2, 2021, at 8:43 AM, Loy <loyrg2845@...> wrote:


You can get a Annual Home subscription for JAWS for  around $90 a year. There is also a free screen reader "NVDA"
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 6:06 AM
Subject: Jaws Screen Reader cost?.

hi guys, I have been Informed purchasing the Jaws Screen Reader from Freedom Scientific these days is way to expensive. So I am asking if there are other ways of purchasing the software for us blindys?, Billy

James Rinehart, MA, ATP, CWDP

Assistive Technology Specialist

4740 Kingsway Drive
Indianapolis, IN 46205

P 317.466.1000 x2527 • F 317.466.2000
jrinehart@...

eastersealscrossroads.org

        
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