Do you have Skype.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed
Barton
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: filling out a pdf form

i see an upload files, google docs, gooel sheets, etc. Am i in the
right spot?

On 3/5/2017 8:14 PM, Poppa Bear wrote:

You can now open it up in word, from google drive on the internet,
press, A for actions and arrow down to download and it should ask you
if you want to download it as a Word document.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed
Barton
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: filling out a pdf form

Hey guys,

OK, so i saved the file on my google drive, and there is a google
docs icon on my desktop so i clicked it. I do not see the file when
i go to open it.
However when i bring up google drive i can see it. Any ideas how to
best edit this thing to keep it in good shape?


On 3/5/2017 7:22 PM, Jed Barton wrote:

ok, so the file is on my google drive. Now how would i open it as
an editable google doc?

On 3/5/2017 5:29 PM, Poppa Bear wrote:

Well, depending on which version of acrobat you have you could save
it as a Word, or copy and paste it into word, but I would do
something different. If you save it into your Google drive you can
open it up as a editable Google Doc and fill it out from there and
save it as Word which can save as PDF.
Let us know how you go about it.

Nate Kile
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jed Barton
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: filling out a pdf form

Hey guys,

OK, got an interesting situation here. I ahve a pdf that i have to
fill out. however, the form isn't editable, and i wanna be able to
put my info in the file. Is there a way i can take the file,
convert it to word, fill it out, then bring it back to a pdf. Any
of you guys done this with jfw 17?

Cheers,
Jed

If we're talking laptop machines, you also have the option of not disabling
the mousepad but masking the part of the mousepad that causes pointer
movement.

I do this routinely on the laptops my clients use by getting a reasonably
substantial piece of cardboard (it need not be corrugated, something about
the thickness of the back of a legal pad will do, or you could use rigid
plastic, but that's harder to cut) and taping the left edge such that the
flap can be opened like the cover of a book.  Since there are plenty of
occasions where someone may seek out sighted assistance and most sighted
folks cannot function without the mouse this makes "turning the mouse
movement feature on again" virtually instant.

This allows the native left click and right click buttons to be available
and accessible for their intended uses.  Many laptop keyboards don't have an
applications/menu key since right clicking performs the same function.
--
*Brian*

     A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need
for illusion is deep.

    ~ Saul Bellow , To Jerusalem and Back

I am using File History for Backing up files in Windows 10. The Panel for browsing previous snapshots shows the date and time of when the backup was made but Jaws cannot read it in Jaws 18. This is essential for using it. Is anyone else having issues or is this a JFW oversight?

John

Do you have Skype.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: filling out a pdf form

i see an upload files, google docs, gooel sheets, etc. Am i in the right spot?

On 3/5/2017 8:14 PM, Poppa Bear wrote:

You can now open it up in word, from google drive on the internet, press, A for actions and arrow down to download and it should ask you if you want to download it as a Word document.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed
Barton
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 3:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: filling out a pdf form

Hey guys,

OK, so i saved the file on my google drive, and there is a google docs icon on my desktop so i clicked it. I do not see the file when i go to open it.
However when i bring up google drive i can see it. Any ideas how to best edit this thing to keep it in good shape?


On 3/5/2017 7:22 PM, Jed Barton wrote:

ok, so the file is on my google drive. Now how would i open it as an
editable google doc?

On 3/5/2017 5:29 PM, Poppa Bear wrote:

Well, depending on which version of acrobat you have you could save
it as a Word, or copy and paste it into word, but I would do
something different. If you save it into your Google drive you can
open it up as a editable Google Doc and fill it out from there and
save it as Word which can save as PDF.
Let us know how you go about it.

Nate Kile
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jed Barton
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:56 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: filling out a pdf form

Hey guys,

OK, got an interesting situation here. I ahve a pdf that i have to
fill out. however, the form isn't editable, and i wanna be able to
put my info in the file. Is there a way i can take the file,
convert it to word, fill it out, then bring it back to a pdf. Any
of you guys done this with jfw 17?

Cheers,
Jed

Hello there;
If you want to use the applications key, You may need to add the FNKey
which is to the right of the ctrl-key on the left hand side.
This is on laptop's.

Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Elaine Young
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Application key

The directions are correct about the application key, but for some
reason the application key on many keyboards, mine included, does not
work. It does nothing. You can use shift plus F10 instead.


-Elaine


The beginning of anxiety is the end of faith, and the beginning of
true faith is the end of anxiety. - George Muller


____________________________________________________________
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Bot my old Acer laptop has one (it is about 5 years old) and I just bought a
brandnew Asus Zenbook (the 15.6 inch model) and it has a working application
key as well as a number pad on the right side just like a full-size
keyboard. Only thing is that the Insert key (Jaws Key) on the NumberPad is
the same size as all the other keys and not double wide as is usually the
case on regular keyboards. It is actually under the 2 on the numer pad on
this laptop since the key to the left of it (under the 1) is already the
right arrow. This took a bit of getting used to with respect to pressing key
combinations like Jaws Key+Up Arrow to read line or Jaws Key+Page Down etc.
My thumb always seems to want to wonder off to the left onto the right
arrow, but my muscle memory is starting to remember now.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 6:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Application key

And it has been years since I have encountered a laptop that actually has a
proper application key. Rather than shift-f10 I end up remapping the print
screen key (totally different location but at least it is still only one
key).

If you can name a brand or line of full-sized laptops that still include the
application key I would be very interested.

On 3/6/17, david <davidmac1957@...> wrote:

Hello there;
If you want to use the applications key, You may need to add the FNKey
which is to the right of the ctrl-key on the left hand side.
This is on laptop's.

Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Elaine Young
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Application key

The directions are correct about the application key, but for some
reason the application key on many keyboards, mine included, does not
work. It does nothing. You can use shift plus F10 instead.


-Elaine


The beginning of anxiety is the end of faith, and the beginning of
true faith is the end of anxiety. - George Muller


____________________________________________________________
What Melania Wore When She Married Trump Will Shock You
trendingmoms.com
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58bcb4a537c8434a47b9bst02vuc

--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...

Shift-F10 is equivalent to a dedicated Application-Key.

Regards,

Amanda Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, March 06, 2017 9:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Application key

And it has been years since I have encountered a laptop that actually
has a proper application key. Rather than shift-f10 I end up remapping
the print screen key (totally different location but at least it is
still only one key).

If you can name a brand or line of full-sized laptops that still
include the application key I would be very interested.

On 3/6/17, david <davidmac1957@...> wrote:

Hello there;
If you want to use the applications key,
You may need to add the FNKey which is to the right of the ctrl-key on the
left hand side.
This is on laptop's.

Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but
what they conceal is vital.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Elaine
Young
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Application key

The directions are correct about the application key, but for some
reason the application key on many keyboards, mine included, does not
work. It does nothing. You can use shift plus F10 instead.


-Elaine


The beginning of anxiety is the end of faith, and the beginning of true
faith is the end of anxiety. - George Muller


____________________________________________________________
What Melania Wore When She Married Trump Will Shock You
trendingmoms.com
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58bcb4a537c8434a47b9bst02vuc

--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...

Hello there;
If you want to use the applications key,
You may need to add the FNKey which is to the right of the ctrl-key on the
left hand side.
This is on laptop's.

Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but
what they conceal is vital.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Elaine
Young
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Application key

The directions are correct about the application key, but for some
reason the application key on many keyboards, mine included, does not
work. It does nothing. You can use shift plus F10 instead.


-Elaine


The beginning of anxiety is the end of faith, and the beginning of true
faith is the end of anxiety. - George Muller


____________________________________________________________
What Melania Wore When She Married Trump Will Shock You
trendingmoms.com
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58bcb4a537c8434a47b9bst02vuc

Bot my old Acer laptop has one (it is about 5 years old) and I just
bought a brandnew Asus Zenbook (the 15.6 inch model) and it has a
working application key as well as a number pad on the right side just
like a full-size keyboard. Only thing is that the Insert key (Jaws
Key) on the NumberPad is the same size as all the other keys and not
double wide as is usually the case on regular keyboards. It is
actually under the 2 on the numer pad on this laptop since the key to
the left of it (under the 1) is already the right arrow. This took a
bit of getting used to with respect to pressing key combinations like Jaws Key+Up Arrow to read line or Jaws Key+Page Down etc.
My thumb always seems to want to wonder off to the left onto the right
arrow, but my muscle memory is starting to remember now.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 6:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Application key

And it has been years since I have encountered a laptop that actually
has a proper application key. Rather than shift-f10 I end up remapping
the print screen key (totally different location but at least it is
still only one key).

If you can name a brand or line of full-sized laptops that still
include the application key I would be very interested.

On 3/6/17, david <davidmac1957@...> wrote:

Hello there;
If you want to use the applications key, You may need to add the
FNKey which is to the right of the ctrl-key on the left hand side.
This is on laptop's.

Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Elaine Young
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 8:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Application key

The directions are correct about the application key, but for some
reason the application key on many keyboards, mine included, does not
work. It does nothing. You can use shift plus F10 instead.


-Elaine


The beginning of anxiety is the end of faith, and the beginning of
true faith is the end of anxiety. - George Muller


____________________________________________________________
What Melania Wore When She Married Trump Will Shock You
trendingmoms.com
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/58bcb4a537c8434a47b9bst02vuc

--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...

We have actual phones, but the accesibility of those phones is
somewhat questionable (I'll be able to poke at it more when I go back
into the office on Monday). I'm banking on being able to make the desk
phone I have do my tellings, but in the event I haven't, I've already
got clearance to deploy a softphone - and I'll be one of a few people
who've decided they prefer going that route. Still, I'd rather not
kill my cell phone's battery dealing with work things, and if I'm
gonna need to pay for a client anyway I'd rather it be for a platform
I'm already required to be attached to.

_____

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: March-05-17 10:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?



If somebody works for an organisation which uses a large scale Voip
solution actual phones may no longer exist and employees are expected
to place and receive all calls via their PC's softphone. If this is
the case using an iPhone even with an accessible SIP client like Bria
or Groundwire is not a solution.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mich
Verrier
Sent: Sunday, March 5, 2017 7:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?



hi james. it's Mich. we whent to w raus together. why don't you just
get a eye phone? that way you know it will not only be able to make
phone calls etc but you know it will be accessible out of the box.
shure it wont use jaws but it will use voice over and like I said it
would be accessible right out of the box. well I hope this helps. from
Mich.



From: James Homuth

Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2017 10:08 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?



That's a different beast, actually. The only thing I'm interested in
is a softphone that does the making of calls and junk, since while I
*am* in a queue, it maybe receives one call a day. If they're working
for an actual call center, where their entire job consists of being on
the phone, they may want to discuss with their employer.

_____

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Michael Mote
Sent: March-05-17 10:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?

Let us know how it tests out, when you can. I have a client who uses
the Cisco app, and they have several things they need to do through
their desktop agent. I wonder how much of that would be accessible.
One thing in particular is how many calls are in the cue.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2017 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?



It's my understanding that ExpressTalk has a 14 day trial. They're on
my list of things to play with, at any rate.

_____

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Michael Mote
Sent: March-05-17 9:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?

I wonder if you can use the soft phone apps on a trial basis for like
a week to ten days prior to purchasing it. I might be interested in
doing that, but I would like to test drive it first.





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2017 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?



This company doesn't particularly care, so long as what you bring to
the table works for you. Most people just use the deskphone that's
right there, but that isn't exactly the most accessiblething in the world either.

_____

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Michael Mote
Sent: March-05-17 11:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but most companies require you to use
their Soft Phone application. I currently have folks whom I support
in the work place who use a Cicso solutions, called Desktop agent.
I've also played around with the Avaya Agent, and have heard that the
In-Contact soft phone application works with JAWS. All of them are
not very easy to work with on the surface. Both Avaya and Cisco do
have some hot key functionality that helps out a good bit.





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 11:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?



Maybe so, but I run a retail business and not a phone company and I
just don't have time to sit there for hours trying to configure this.
The same goes for email and webservers, you just have to choose your
wars because if you fight on too many fronts you won't win anywhere.

I tried Ringcentral once years ago, but at the time my internet was
only 6 Mb down and 1 up and it was just not fast enough. Now I have
25 down and 5 up and this coming week I get fibre with 125 down and 10
up so I'll have plenty f bandwidth to use a Voip phone system if I
want. I really liked what Ringcentral has to offer, only thing I don't
like is that the website which, by the way, gives you all the control
you could want, is not very accessible at all.



Regards,

Sieghard







From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?



No, you'd still need to roll your own features like that. But I find
most hosted PBX solutions aren't worth what you pay them. For the same
price you can put together a system you can actually controll.

_____

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: March-04-17 11:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?

Thanks, James, had a quick look, but it doesn't look like Callcentric
offers a full-fletched virtual/hosted PBX system with all the features
a business may want like extensions, voice mail, auto answer, faxing,
SMS etc.



Regards,

Sieghard



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2017 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?



I've heard good things about Callcentric. I'd use them if I wasn't
needing to find me a client for work use.

_____

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: March-04-17 8:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?

Hi,



Wow, this can get pretty expensive. On another note, which services
would you recommend if you have any knowledge? What I am after is a
hosted solution like Ringcentral. I quite like what Ringcentral
offers, but their website was hopeless the last time I tried it, very
poor accessibility with Jaws and even their iOS app was not accessible with Voiceover.

I tried to explain to their customer service that a large company like
Ringcentral should really improve this and offer good accessibility,
but I didn't even get the impression the guy would pass this on up the chain.

I would like something which is comprehensive as in offering a toll
free number, either unlimited or significant incoming and outgoing
North America wide calling, internet faxing and SMS via their app and
of course calling via their app, voice mail, auto attendent, music on
hold, extensions and all the usual stuff.



Regards,

Sieghard



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of HH.
Smith Jr.
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: softphones that work with JAWS?



Hi,

There is three that I know of. They work(accessibility) in the order
of their price.

1. Express talk by NCH cheapest $130.00 business - 250.00? Enterprise.
It is a lot cheaper than the others; however, you get what you pay
for. It has a lot of bells and whistles but I had a little trouble in
configuration.


2. VTGO-PC-508 by IP Blue$ 750.00. I had some accessibility issues when
testing this model.

3. Accessaphone by Tenacity $1,500.00 the best; however, configuration
is my current hang up at this moment for I myself is in the market for
an accessible softphone. I was told by tenacity that a underlying
cisco system works best with the Accessaphone.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2017 5:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: softphones that work with JAWS?



Hi folks,



My new job uses a VOIP phone that isn't exactly the most accessible.
So because of that, I'm in the hunt for a halfway decent softphone.
Anyone happen to know of one and wouldn't mind sharing details? Using
JAWS 14, but will probably upgrade to 18 when work installs it on my machine.

By PIN I meant if you set one up. In Windows 10 you can set up a PIN and use it instead of your password. I am not sure if this is an option if you use a local user name, I sign into Windows 10 with my Microsoft Id and I like the PIN option because I can quickly type it on the NumPad and whatever PIN you set up (4, 6, 8 digits or whatever length you choose) is automatically accepted after you type in the last digit, no need to press enter. I set up an 8 digit PIN and much prefer this method over having to enter my Microsoft Id password which is 14  characters with upper case, lower case, numbers and symbols. Since I am not using numbers like in my birth date or anything like that I think an 8 digit PIN is probably just as secure.

Regards,

Sieghard

Sieghard:

Since this is my own personal computer, I do not have a pin.

At the log-on screen, after the Windows 7 start-up  sound, I just click on my profile name, and, after a few seconds, I get the second startup sound.

At this point, Jaws does not consistently launch, either at the log-on screen, or at the beginning screen after I’ve clicked on my profile.

Tom Behler

Tom, do you use a Microsoft Id and password to sign in or did you set up a PIN? Have you tried to press enter after giving your computer a bit of time to boot up? On my Windows 10 laptop Jaws also does not usually speak at the logon screen until I press enter, then it asks me for my PIN.

Regards,

Sieghard

Yes, David. …. This did help.

Magnifier is now gone.

Still working my Jaws startup issue.

Thanks again.

Tom Behler

Tom

Go into control panel,

Again go into ease of access center,

E=ease of access center,

Press enter,

Now tab until you hear;

Make the computer easier to see link, press enter,

Now tab and uncheck the box,

Turn on Magnifier

Now tab ok.

Hope this helps.

David:

Your instructions for preventing Narrator from automatically starting when I boot my computer worked.

Thanks very much.

I'm still seeing the magnifier automatically come up though, and don't know how to eliminate that issue.

Also, I have now upgraded to the latest build of Jaws 18, and am finding that my failure to re-start at the login screen issue has re-appeared.

I have the box checked to start the computer at the log-on screen, as well as the box checked to always start Jaws for this user.

I wonder if the automatic activation of the magnifier is creating the failure of Jaws to consistently  start.

Someone on the list recently posted a detailed set of instructions for dealing with the inconsistent Jaws start issue at the logon screen, but I can't seem to find them in my saved files.

Any help with this continuing issue would be appreciated.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

Try the following;

Go into control panel;

E=ease of access center;

Now tab until you hear;

Use the computer without a display link;

Use the computer without a display

When you select these tools, they will automatically start each time you

sign in.

Now uncheck the following boxes;

Hear text read aloud

Turn on Narrator

Narrator reads aloud any text on the screen. You will need speakers.

Turn on Audio Description

Hear descriptions of what's happening in videos (when available).

Now when you boot the computer narrator should not come up.

Hello, everyone.

I am experiencing a very strange problem when booting up my current windows 7 laptop.

Whenever I boot up the computer, I often have to go through the process 2 or 3 times in order for Jaws to start speaking.  And, when this happens, I now also automatically get launched into Narrator and something called the magnifier.  The magnifier is set at 200%.

I can exit out of the magnifier and out of Narrator, but this is rather inconvenient to say the least.

How can I get things back to the point that, when booting up the computer, all that comes up is Jaws.

I’m using Jaws 17 here.

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan