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Re: JAWS 17 and Excel, no speech other than title and menus.

Tim Ford
 

HI Ann,

Thanks for responding. The screen is maximized. On protected view, I do not know how to check or change that. However, the lack of any speech happens even with the blank document/chart you get when just starting the program. Normally, when you arrow around you hear the column and row numbers, but all is silent on the new computer. Anybody have any ideas?

Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 2:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS 17 and Excel, no speech other than title and menus.

is the spreadsheet in protected mode? Is the screen maximized???
At 04:36 PM 2/6/2017, you wrote:
HI All,

I have a new Windows 10 machine, 64 bit, running the final release version of JAWS 17. I installed Office 2010, and found that Excel does not work. When I get the normal empty chart document, JAWS says nothing when I use the arrow keys. I try a chart that I had saved on my old computer, but still no speech, other than JAWS can read the title line and the menus work. My old computer is 32 bit, running Windows 7, and it also has Office 2010. Any ideas? Word and Outlook seem to work fine.

Tim Ford


Re: mouse over keystroke?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I wondered what it was for too.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: mouse over keystroke?

Hello.



Can someone explain to me exactly what the mouse-over key
command is, and what it is used for?



I am seeing more "mouse over" links on web sites, so I
suspect it is a way to effectively deal with these
situations.



Always trying to learn here.



Thanks for your patience.



Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan









From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: mouse over keystroke?



Try Control+Jaws Key+Enter



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of louise peyton
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: mouse over keystroke?



Hi, listers:

What keystroke do I use for the mouse over command? Thanks
in advance.


MWB & Accessibility With Jaws, From MWB Tech Support

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,
 
This is the thread I've got going with Malwarebytes tech support regarding MWB's accessibility with JAWS.  The most recent message I received is at the top, & you can follow the rest of the thread by reading down.  As I said, the most recent being at the top , & moving down to the 1st / original message.
 

This message was sent to mb69mach1@... in reference to Case #: 1205319.
FEB 06, 2017  |  01:28PM PST
Lisa replied:
 
Hi Mike,
 
I agree and I feel that there is some work to be done yet with MB 3.0. 1.75 is amazing with the Screen Readers, but I had to work really hard to figure out how to get to the Scan results and then when the Scan results open, it starts reading every single line and no way to ‘halt’ that process and just save it somewhere.
 
I’ll try to find out where they are with this and get back to you. It may be another day or so, but I promise I’m not forgetting about you. :-)
Best regards,
Lisa
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FEB 03, 2017  |  10:03AM PST
Mike replied:
Hi Lisa,
Navigating MWB 3.0 is not the problem, but what is meant by being
accessible is doing tasks like scheduling a scan or updates, reading scan
results, telling MWB to exclude files / folders, or removing an item from
quarantine, and telling it to exclude certain items when scanning, for some
examples. Like I say navigation is no problem for some, but it is for
others, but that is always going to be the case because there is such a vast
difference of skill sets amongst screenreader users. It's the accessibility
that's the issue, & that's where only the more skilled / advanced users are
having some success, where the less skilled users, which is most of the
screenreader users, are having problems, so they are still using the more
accessible version of MWB 1.75. I know different people are going to have
definitions for being able to navigate a program, & a program being
accessible, but anytime I have to work at using a program verses the program
working for me, is when I consider it not accessible for most users. I'm
not the most skilled user, but I can get a lot of programs figured out, &
this is how I determine how accessible a program is verses being able to
navigate it. I as well as several hundred Jaws users are very thankful that
you're taking the time, & actually using Jaws to test the program to make it
a more accessible program for the blind community because too many other
program creators just don't give a damn about us! So, thank you thank you
very very much for your help!
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FEB 02, 2017  |  03:29PM PST
Lisa replied:
Hello again Mike,
I just tried Malwarebytes version 3.0.6 with Jaws version 17.0 and it is working much better than Malwarebytes 2.2 version ever did. You might want to install it and try it for yourself.
 
One warning – Jaws says ‘to switch pages, press Control Tab’. You do not need to press the Control button, just press the Tab button. Pressing the Control button and the Tab button does nothing.
Please let me know the shortcomings you are finding with the program.
Best regards,
 
Lisa
Malwarebytes Customer Service
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
FEB 02, 2017  |  08:30AM PST
Lisa replied:
Hello Mike,
 
Welcome to Malwarebytes support, my name is Lisa and I’ll be discussing this issue with you. Version 1.75 and 2.2.1 do use the same definitions database, but 2.2.1 includes a rootkit scanner and better / faster remediation.
 
I do realize that Jaws works really well with version 1.75, and 2.2 leaves a lot to be desired of when it comes to compatibility with screen readers, Jaws in particular.
 
Malwarebytes 3.0 is supposed to be compatible with screen readers, but what I’d like to do is install Jaws on my test machine and see for myself how well it does.
 
I’ll get back to you later this evening and relay my findings to you.
 
Best regards,
 
Lisa
Customer Success
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
JAN 30, 2017  |  10:50AM PST
Original message
Mike wrote:
Hello,
 
I'm trying to tell other blind users of MWB that 1.75 does not use the same
definitions as 2.2, but I'm not computer literate enough to explain the
difference. Would you please tell me if 1.75 does or does not use the same
protection definitions, & explain the differences if not? This will really
help many members of the blind community help understand your product &
upgrade to the newer version. By the way, MWB 3.0 is not accessible for us
blind people using screen reading programs.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.


Re: JAWS 17 and Excel, no speech other than title and menus.

Ann Byrne
 

is the spreadsheet in protected mode? Is the screen maximized???

At 04:36 PM 2/6/2017, you wrote:
HI All,

I have a new Windows 10 machine, 64 bit, running the final release version of JAWS 17. I installed Office 2010, and found that Excel does not work. When I get the normal empty chart document, JAWS says nothing when I use the arrow keys. I try a chart that I had saved on my old computer, but still no speech, other than JAWS can read the title line and the menus work. My old computer is 32 bit, running Windows 7, and it also has Office 2010. Any ideas? Word and Outlook seem to work fine.

Tim Ford


Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

Gerry Ellis <gerry.ellis@...>
 

Hi,

 

Yes, it is definitely worth using the disk clean-up tool to delete the old Windows version once you are sure you don’t want to go back to it even if it does not remove the Windows.old folder.

 

In my case the Windows.old folder was left behind, but it now only contains 464 Kilobytes of data or less than half a Megabyte. To compare to this, my active Windows folder contains around 20 Gigabytes, or somewhat more than 20,000 Megabytes.

 

 

 

Take care,

 

Gerry Ellis

 

If you don’t know where you’re going,

How will you know when you get there?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi Gerry,

 

When I told Disc Cleanup to remove the previous Windows installation it also removed the Windows.old folder. Anyhow, even if it did leave that folder behind with a few items in it, it still frees up a lot of disc space. My previous Windows installation was listed at over 30 Gb. If you have a 120 Gb or even 240 Gb SSD in your laptop then that is quite a lot of space.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerry Ellis
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 11:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi,

 

If you use the Windows Disk clean-up utility to remove your old version of Windows this leaves a Windows.old folder that has very little in it. You may as well leave it alone as it is very small and you have to go through difficult humps to remove it. Why bother?

 

 

 

Take care,

 

Gerry Ellis

 

If you don’t know where you’re going,

How will you know when you get there?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi Aaron,

 

I don’t even think you can remove Windows.old this way, but as Joseph pointed out, it can easily be done with the Disc Cleanup utility where it would be listed under previous windows installations, another easy way to find it is to look for something that is probably 30 or more Gb in size.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Page, Aaron
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 8:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi Marv,

 

You could try using a program like CCleaner, which can remove an old Windows installation. However, CCleaner will clear caches and other content so be careful with it.

 

Another option would be to remove windows.old from the command prompt using Administrator privilages:

 

  1. Open the start menu and type “CMD” (without the quotes) in the search box
  2. JAWS should announce “command prompt”, press the applications key or Shift+F10 to expand the context menu
  3. Select “Run as Administrator”
  4. Select Yes in the User Account Control box that appears

 

That should get you in the command prompt window. In case you aren’t familiar with good old DOS-style commands, here are the two you should need, just remove the quotes:

 

  1. “CD\” – Will set you to the root of your primary disk. Usually C:\
  2. “rd windows.old /s /q” – RD is the remove directory command, the /s switch removes all files and subfolders, and the /q stops it from nagging you each time it deletes a folder.

 

I don’t think Windows 10 will let  you copy/paste the commands from this message into the command prompt window, you will need to type them in manually.

 

Be careful – if you don’t type the “.old” when using the RD command very bad things could happen.  

 

Good luck!

 

Aaron M. Page

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 5:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

This is Marv again.  The windows.old does not show up in disk cleanup; when I try to delete windows.old directly from the disk, I get access denied need permission from SYSTEM to continue; so more advice would be appreciated.

Marv

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:06 PM

Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi,

You need to use Disk Cleanup to delete windows.old folder (listed as “previous Windows installation”).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Good evening list, Marv here.  I have a question regarding deleting a file folder; I received a notification saying windows.old could be deleted.  This is an earlier version of windows 10.  The problem I am having is I keep getting a message stating access is denied; I need permission from SYSTEM to delete this folder, the computer says.  I am running jaws18 and windows 10, 1607.  Any advice on how to delete/get the permission I need would be appreciated.

 


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JAWS 17 and Excel, no speech other than title and menus.

Tim Ford
 

HI All,
 
I have a new Windows 10 machine, 64 bit, running the final release version of JAWS 17.  I installed Office 2010, and found that Excel does not work.  When I get the normal empty chart document, JAWS says nothing when I use the arrow keys.  I try a chart that I had saved on my old computer, but still no speech, other than JAWS can read the title line and the menus work.  My old computer is 32 bit, running Windows 7, and it also has Office 2010.  Any ideas?  Word and Outlook seem to work fine.
 
Tim Ford
 


Re: web site accessibility

Gerry Ellis <gerry.ellis@...>
 

Hi,

 

The Cynthia Says site is another exccellent resource for learning about accessibility and to test web pages against Section 508 and WCAG rules.

 

www.cynthiasays.com

 

 

 

Take care,

 

Gerry Ellis

 

If you don’t know where you’re going,

How will you know when you get there?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Betsy Binney
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 7:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: web site accessibility

 

Hi Drew,

 

Here are some of the links I use in my class:

1.      Testing a web sites accessibility:              http://wave.webaim.org/

2.      List of Tools for making web sites accessible and testing:             https://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/

3.      Web Content Accessibility Guide:           https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj83LbLnvzRAhUBViYKHaGID10QFghLMAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wuhcag.com%2Fweb-content-accessibility-guidelines%2F&usg=AFQjCNEqhtydjWorAAwz7bEeBfWk_FAiLA&sig2=MwhSSEg_dKt5eWnz9z6ZGg&bvm=bv.146094739,d.eWE

4.      Section 508 Laws and Policies: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwijicGSn_zRAhWEWSYKHRJkAG8QFggiMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.section508.gov%2Fcontent%2Flearn%2Flaws-and-policies&usg=AFQjCNHZFiyZ3wsepr_mWHNZheO9A9k15A&sig2=gLC1KzW6diBdediYPmeq9w&bvm=bv.146094739,d.eWE

 

Also, please tell your friend that accessibility needs to include all disabilities, not just the blind or visually impaired.  People with hearing loss, People who have mobility issues (paralysis) And the like are to be included in “Accessibility”.

 

Betsy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 7:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: web site accessibility

 

I would really appreciate that. Thanks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Betsy Binney
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 1:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: web site accessibility

 

Hi drew,

 

I have taught web site accessibility for 20 years now. The best place to start is with section 508 of the Americans with Disabilities Act. That outlines what is necessary to be ADA compliant. There are some additional web sites I use to test accessibility of a web site. I can forward those to you tomorrow. 

 

Cheers,

Betsy


On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Drew Hunthausen <dhunthausen@...> wrote:

Dear list,

I have a friend who is a computer trainer and is looking for information on making web sites accessible for screen readers and accessibility for one of his clients. Wondering if someone here could give me some info on this, where I could send him. Thanks so much

 

 


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Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi Gerry,

 

When I told Disc Cleanup to remove the previous Windows installation it also removed the Windows.old folder. Anyhow, even if it did leave that folder behind with a few items in it, it still frees up a lot of disc space. My previous Windows installation was listed at over 30 Gb. If you have a 120 Gb or even 240 Gb SSD in your laptop then that is quite a lot of space.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerry Ellis
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 11:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi,

 

If you use the Windows Disk clean-up utility to remove your old version of Windows this leaves a Windows.old folder that has very little in it. You may as well leave it alone as it is very small and you have to go through difficult humps to remove it. Why bother?

 

 

 

Take care,

 

Gerry Ellis

 

If you don’t know where you’re going,

How will you know when you get there?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi Aaron,

 

I don’t even think you can remove Windows.old this way, but as Joseph pointed out, it can easily be done with the Disc Cleanup utility where it would be listed under previous windows installations, another easy way to find it is to look for something that is probably 30 or more Gb in size.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Page, Aaron
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 8:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi Marv,

 

You could try using a program like CCleaner, which can remove an old Windows installation. However, CCleaner will clear caches and other content so be careful with it.

 

Another option would be to remove windows.old from the command prompt using Administrator privilages:

 

  1. Open the start menu and type “CMD” (without the quotes) in the search box
  2. JAWS should announce “command prompt”, press the applications key or Shift+F10 to expand the context menu
  3. Select “Run as Administrator”
  4. Select Yes in the User Account Control box that appears

 

That should get you in the command prompt window. In case you aren’t familiar with good old DOS-style commands, here are the two you should need, just remove the quotes:

 

  1. “CD\” – Will set you to the root of your primary disk. Usually C:\
  2. “rd windows.old /s /q” – RD is the remove directory command, the /s switch removes all files and subfolders, and the /q stops it from nagging you each time it deletes a folder.

 

I don’t think Windows 10 will let  you copy/paste the commands from this message into the command prompt window, you will need to type them in manually.

 

Be careful – if you don’t type the “.old” when using the RD command very bad things could happen.  

 

Good luck!

 

Aaron M. Page

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 5:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

This is Marv again.  The windows.old does not show up in disk cleanup; when I try to delete windows.old directly from the disk, I get access denied need permission from SYSTEM to continue; so more advice would be appreciated.

Marv

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:06 PM

Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi,

You need to use Disk Cleanup to delete windows.old folder (listed as “previous Windows installation”).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Good evening list, Marv here.  I have a question regarding deleting a file folder; I received a notification saying windows.old could be deleted.  This is an earlier version of windows 10.  The problem I am having is I keep getting a message stating access is denied; I need permission from SYSTEM to delete this folder, the computer says.  I am running jaws18 and windows 10, 1607.  Any advice on how to delete/get the permission I need would be appreciated.

 


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Re: web site accessibility

Betsy Binney
 

Hi Drew,

 

Here are some of the links I use in my class:

1.       Testing a web sites accessibility:              http://wave.webaim.org/

2.       List of Tools for making web sites accessible and testing:             https://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tools/

3.       Web Content Accessibility Guide:           https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj83LbLnvzRAhUBViYKHaGID10QFghLMAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wuhcag.com%2Fweb-content-accessibility-guidelines%2F&usg=AFQjCNEqhtydjWorAAwz7bEeBfWk_FAiLA&sig2=MwhSSEg_dKt5eWnz9z6ZGg&bvm=bv.146094739,d.eWE

4.       Section 508 Laws and Policies: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwijicGSn_zRAhWEWSYKHRJkAG8QFggiMAI&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.section508.gov%2Fcontent%2Flearn%2Flaws-and-policies&usg=AFQjCNHZFiyZ3wsepr_mWHNZheO9A9k15A&sig2=gLC1KzW6diBdediYPmeq9w&bvm=bv.146094739,d.eWE

 

Also, please tell your friend that accessibility needs to include all disabilities, not just the blind or visually impaired.  People with hearing loss, People who have mobility issues (paralysis) And the like are to be included in “Accessibility”.

 

Betsy

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Drew Hunthausen
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 7:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: web site accessibility

 

I would really appreciate that. Thanks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Betsy Binney
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 1:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: web site accessibility

 

Hi drew,

 

I have taught web site accessibility for 20 years now. The best place to start is with section 508 of the Americans with Disabilities Act. That outlines what is necessary to be ADA compliant. There are some additional web sites I use to test accessibility of a web site. I can forward those to you tomorrow. 

 

Cheers,

Betsy


On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Drew Hunthausen <dhunthausen@...> wrote:

Dear list,

I have a friend who is a computer trainer and is looking for information on making web sites accessible for screen readers and accessibility for one of his clients. Wondering if someone here could give me some info on this, where I could send him. Thanks so much

 

 


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site issue

Chad Brown <cbrown@...>
 

Hello all,

Wondering if anyone has used iVisions by Tyler technologies? It is a web portal to track expenses pay stubs and the like.  In my place of work we are going to start using this.

My issue is that I see a text string and am told that it has a pull down list if you hover with the mouse.

It reads just self-service to me and nothing else.

I have tried the control JAWS key and enter with no luck.

Any help would be appreciated.

If anyone is aware of someone at VFO who could remote in with me to explore this that would also be helpful.

Thank you.

 


Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

Gerry Ellis <gerry.ellis@...>
 

Hi,

 

If you use the Windows Disk clean-up utility to remove your old version of Windows this leaves a Windows.old folder that has very little in it. You may as well leave it alone as it is very small and you have to go through difficult humps to remove it. Why bother?

 

 

 

Take care,

 

Gerry Ellis

 

If you don’t know where you’re going,

How will you know when you get there?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi Aaron,

 

I don’t even think you can remove Windows.old this way, but as Joseph pointed out, it can easily be done with the Disc Cleanup utility where it would be listed under previous windows installations, another easy way to find it is to look for something that is probably 30 or more Gb in size.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Page, Aaron
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 8:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi Marv,

 

You could try using a program like CCleaner, which can remove an old Windows installation. However, CCleaner will clear caches and other content so be careful with it.

 

Another option would be to remove windows.old from the command prompt using Administrator privilages:

 

  1. Open the start menu and type “CMD” (without the quotes) in the search box
  2. JAWS should announce “command prompt”, press the applications key or Shift+F10 to expand the context menu
  3. Select “Run as Administrator”
  4. Select Yes in the User Account Control box that appears

 

That should get you in the command prompt window. In case you aren’t familiar with good old DOS-style commands, here are the two you should need, just remove the quotes:

 

  1. “CD\” – Will set you to the root of your primary disk. Usually C:\
  2. “rd windows.old /s /q” – RD is the remove directory command, the /s switch removes all files and subfolders, and the /q stops it from nagging you each time it deletes a folder.

 

I don’t think Windows 10 will let  you copy/paste the commands from this message into the command prompt window, you will need to type them in manually.

 

Be careful – if you don’t type the “.old” when using the RD command very bad things could happen.  

 

Good luck!

 

Aaron M. Page

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 5:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

This is Marv again.  The windows.old does not show up in disk cleanup; when I try to delete windows.old directly from the disk, I get access denied need permission from SYSTEM to continue; so more advice would be appreciated.

Marv

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:06 PM

Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi,

You need to use Disk Cleanup to delete windows.old folder (listed as “previous Windows installation”).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Good evening list, Marv here.  I have a question regarding deleting a file folder; I received a notification saying windows.old could be deleted.  This is an earlier version of windows 10.  The problem I am having is I keep getting a message stating access is denied; I need permission from SYSTEM to delete this folder, the computer says.  I am running jaws18 and windows 10, 1607.  Any advice on how to delete/get the permission I need would be appreciated.

 


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Re: mouse over keystroke?

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Guy already explained it well, but I wanted to add that if you want to learn more about navigating web sites you should check out the Surfsup website from Jaws where you can find many of these HTML elements and learn how to deal with them. Here is the link:

 

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Surfs-Up/_Surfs_Up_Start_Here.htm

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 7:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: mouse over keystroke?

 

Hello.

 

Can someone explain to me exactly what the mouse-over key command is, and what it is used for?

 

I am seeing more “mouse over” links on web sites, so I suspect it is a way to effectively deal with these situations.

 

Always trying to learn here.

 

Thanks for your patience.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: mouse over keystroke?

 

Try Control+Jaws Key+Enter

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of louise peyton
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: mouse over keystroke?

 

Hi, listers:

What keystroke do I use for the mouse over command?  Thanks in advance.


Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Hi Aaron,

 

I don’t even think you can remove Windows.old this way, but as Joseph pointed out, it can easily be done with the Disc Cleanup utility where it would be listed under previous windows installations, another easy way to find it is to look for something that is probably 30 or more Gb in size.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Page, Aaron
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 8:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi Marv,

 

You could try using a program like CCleaner, which can remove an old Windows installation. However, CCleaner will clear caches and other content so be careful with it.

 

Another option would be to remove windows.old from the command prompt using Administrator privilages:

 

  1. Open the start menu and type “CMD” (without the quotes) in the search box
  2. JAWS should announce “command prompt”, press the applications key or Shift+F10 to expand the context menu
  3. Select “Run as Administrator”
  4. Select Yes in the User Account Control box that appears

 

That should get you in the command prompt window. In case you aren’t familiar with good old DOS-style commands, here are the two you should need, just remove the quotes:

 

  1. “CD\” – Will set you to the root of your primary disk. Usually C:\
  2. “rd windows.old /s /q” – RD is the remove directory command, the /s switch removes all files and subfolders, and the /q stops it from nagging you each time it deletes a folder.

 

I don’t think Windows 10 will let  you copy/paste the commands from this message into the command prompt window, you will need to type them in manually.

 

Be careful – if you don’t type the “.old” when using the RD command very bad things could happen.  

 

Good luck!

 

Aaron M. Page

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 5:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

This is Marv again.  The windows.old does not show up in disk cleanup; when I try to delete windows.old directly from the disk, I get access denied need permission from SYSTEM to continue; so more advice would be appreciated.

Marv

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:06 PM

Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi,

You need to use Disk Cleanup to delete windows.old folder (listed as “previous Windows installation”).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Good evening list, Marv here.  I have a question regarding deleting a file folder; I received a notification saying windows.old could be deleted.  This is an earlier version of windows 10.  The problem I am having is I keep getting a message stating access is denied; I need permission from SYSTEM to delete this folder, the computer says.  I am running jaws18 and windows 10, 1607.  Any advice on how to delete/get the permission I need would be appreciated.

 


Re: mouse over keystroke?

Castonguay, Guy (SSC/SPC) <guy.castonguay@...>
 

Tom,

When a sighted person passes the mouse over a graphic or link with a mousover attribute, more information about the link or graphic is available in another port of the web site or in a bubble. You press control + JAWS key then Enter and JAWS will tell you where a change has occurred on the page. You use the jump command letter J and write the line number to get to the changed area and use the reading keys to find out what information the mouseOver has revealed.

Press Shift + J to get back where you were.

 

Regards

Guy Castonguay

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: February 06, 2017 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: mouse over keystroke?

 

Hello.

 

Can someone explain to me exactly what the mouse-over key command is, and what it is used for?

 

I am seeing more “mouse over” links on web sites, so I suspect it is a way to effectively deal with these situations.

 

Always trying to learn here.

 

Thanks for your patience.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: mouse over keystroke?

 

Try Control+Jaws Key+Enter

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of louise peyton
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: mouse over keystroke?

 

Hi, listers:

What keystroke do I use for the mouse over command?  Thanks in advance.


Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

Page, Aaron
 

Hi Marv,

 

You could try using a program like CCleaner, which can remove an old Windows installation. However, CCleaner will clear caches and other content so be careful with it.

 

Another option would be to remove windows.old from the command prompt using Administrator privilages:

 

1.       Open the start menu and type “CMD” (without the quotes) in the search box

2.       JAWS should announce “command prompt”, press the applications key or Shift+F10 to expand the context menu

3.       Select “Run as Administrator”

4.       Select Yes in the User Account Control box that appears

 

That should get you in the command prompt window. In case you aren’t familiar with good old DOS-style commands, here are the two you should need, just remove the quotes:

 

1.       “CD\” – Will set you to the root of your primary disk. Usually C:\

2.       “rd windows.old /s /q” – RD is the remove directory command, the /s switch removes all files and subfolders, and the /q stops it from nagging you each time it deletes a folder.

 

I don’t think Windows 10 will let  you copy/paste the commands from this message into the command prompt window, you will need to type them in manually.

 

Be careful – if you don’t type the “.old” when using the RD command very bad things could happen.  

 

Good luck!

 

Aaron M. Page

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 5:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

This is Marv again.  The windows.old does not show up in disk cleanup; when I try to delete windows.old directly from the disk, I get access denied need permission from SYSTEM to continue; so more advice would be appreciated.

Marv

 

From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:06 PM

Subject: Re: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Hi,

You need to use Disk Cleanup to delete windows.old folder (listed as “previous Windows installation”).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: question regarding deleting earlier version of windows10 windows.old

 

Good evening list, Marv here.  I have a question regarding deleting a file folder; I received a notification saying windows.old could be deleted.  This is an earlier version of windows 10.  The problem I am having is I keep getting a message stating access is denied; I need permission from SYSTEM to delete this folder, the computer says.  I am running jaws18 and windows 10, 1607.  Any advice on how to delete/get the permission I need would be appreciated.

 


Re: mouse over keystroke?

Tom Behler
 

Hello.

 

Can someone explain to me exactly what the mouse-over key command is, and what it is used for?

 

I am seeing more “mouse over” links on web sites, so I suspect it is a way to effectively deal with these situations.

 

Always trying to learn here.

 

Thanks for your patience.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: mouse over keystroke?

 

Try Control+Jaws Key+Enter

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of louise peyton
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: mouse over keystroke?

 

Hi, listers:

What keystroke do I use for the mouse over command?  Thanks in advance.


Re: mouse over keystroke?

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Try Control+Jaws Key+Enter

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of louise peyton
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: mouse over keystroke?

 

Hi, listers:

What keystroke do I use for the mouse over command?  Thanks in advance.


mouse over keystroke?

louise peyton
 

Hi, listers:

What keystroke do I use for the mouse over command?  Thanks in advance.


Re: What free PDF reader should I install on my new Windows 10 laptop running JAWS 17?

Elvia Jauregui <elviajauregui@...>
 

thanks Brian.
elvia

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 5, 2017, at 12:34 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 11:57 am, Gudrun Brunot wrote:
Does that link go to the Adobe Reader DC?

Gudrun,

         The Adobe Reader download page automatically detects the operating system you're running when you land on it (or at least it does if you're running Windows in any recent version and that may go all the way back to XP, but I know it works for 7, 8, and 10).

          Adobe Reader has had editing capabilities for "fill-in forms" for a number of years now.  Government agencies in multiple countries supply their downloadable forms in fillable PDF format, though some are far less than accessible if the person who generated the form did not put a label and/or help/alternate text on all of the edit fields, checkboxes, etc.  That, however, is a design shortcoming not a software shortcoming.

           Only full Adobe Acrobat has full editing capabilities as far as creating forms from scratch.  This is a separate issue.  Reader since at least version 9, perhaps a couple earlier than that, has had the ability to fill-in forms that were designed as such and, in most cases the ability to save the form after you've filled it out.  Some PDF forms are, however, set up that they cannot be saved once filled out, so you need to print those as soon as you're done filling them out.  This type seems to be getting to be more and more a rarity, thank heaven!


--
Brian

     A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

    ~ Saul BellowTo Jerusalem and Back


Re: web site accessibility

Drew Hunthausen
 

I would really appreciate that. Thanks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Betsy Binney
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2017 1:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: web site accessibility

 

Hi drew,

 

I have taught web site accessibility for 20 years now. The best place to start is with section 508 of the Americans with Disabilities Act. That outlines what is necessary to be ADA compliant. There are some additional web sites I use to test accessibility of a web site. I can forward those to you tomorrow. 

 

Cheers,

Betsy


On Feb 5, 2017, at 3:29 PM, Drew Hunthausen <dhunthausen@...> wrote:

Dear list,

I have a friend who is a computer trainer and is looking for information on making web sites accessible for screen readers and accessibility for one of his clients. Wondering if someone here could give me some info on this, where I could send him. Thanks so much

 

 


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