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Re: PDF-XChange Viewer: Possible Alternative to Adobe Reader

 

Brad,

       What makes it worse (for laptop users) is it entirely depends on whether you have an abbreviated keyboard (read: one without the number pad and associated keys) or a full keyboard that includes them.

        I'm constantly getting tripped up when I go from one client who has to use the laptop commands because they have an abbreviated keyboard and another who must use the "desktop" commands because they have a full keyboard.  It can be maddening!!

        Wishes for a wonderful holiday season to all on the mailing list!

Brian


Re: PDF-XChange Viewer: Possible Alternative to Adobe Reader

David Moore
 

Hi,
You guys are great. I use a laptop as well and totally understand. I wasn’t correcting to make you guys look bad at all. I just wanted others to not be lead astray. It is all cool and have a great holiday season!
 
 

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: PDF-XChange Viewer: Possible Alternative to Adobe Reader
 
Exactly, it was my error. It happened because I use the laptop keyboard function, so I use the caps lock key as my JAWS key, which is almost a shift.

Brad

On 12/22/2015 7:25 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

David,

          Now that I see your post I know that you are indeed correct.  In my defense, as a non-constant JAWS user, I picked up on what Brad had written (no insult intended, Brad!) and ran with it.

Brian, who knows we all misspeak every once in a while



Re: PDF-XChange Viewer: Possible Alternative to Adobe Reader

Brad Martin
 

Exactly, it was my error. It happened because I use the laptop keyboard function, so I use the caps lock key as my JAWS key, which is almost a shift.

Brad

On 12/22/2015 7:25 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

David,

          Now that I see your post I know that you are indeed correct.  In my defense, as a non-constant JAWS user, I picked up on what Brad had written (no insult intended, Brad!) and ran with it.

Brian, who knows we all misspeak every once in a while



Re: PDF-XChange Viewer: Possible Alternative to Adobe Reader

 

David,

          Now that I see your post I know that you are indeed correct.  In my defense, as a non-constant JAWS user, I picked up on what Brad had written (no insult intended, Brad!) and ran with it.

Brian, who knows we all misspeak every once in a while


Re: PDF-XChange Viewer: Possible Alternative to Adobe Reader

David Moore
 

Hi Brian,
Do you mean ctrl + insert + F or ctrl+ shift + F for JAWS find? The regular JAWS find is ctrl + JAWS key + F and not ctrl + shift + F. In the virtual environment, web pages, HTML pages, and PDFs simply pressing ctrl F will bring up JAWS find. That is a lot of instances where you can simply use that key command of ctrl + F. The only time I use ctrl + JAWS key + F is in a word document. Have a great one.
 
 

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: PDF-XChange Viewer: Possible Alternative to Adobe Reader
 

Brad,

        It's interesting how Ctrl+F and Ctrl+Shift+F work.  You are indeed correct that Ctrl+Shift+F gets you the JAWS find no matter where you are, and if you absolutely must be sure that's what you're getting that's the way to go.  But, Ctrl+F will also bring up JAWS find in many contexts where a native find command is not available in the Windows environment in question.  If memory serves, JAWS always announces "JAWS virtual find" when the JAWS find comes up, so you can tell whether your plain Ctrl+F has triggered it or not.

        Some of my clients like to minimize the triple key presses they have to do, so I teach them to try a straight Ctrl+F first and to listen for "JAWS virtual find."  Virtually all of them learn very quickly where they actually need that shift or don't in their daily activities when they want a JAWS find.

Brian


Re: PDF-XChange Viewer: Possible Alternative to Adobe Reader

 

Brad,

        It's interesting how Ctrl+F and Ctrl+Shift+F work.  You are indeed correct that Ctrl+Shift+F gets you the JAWS find no matter where you are, and if you absolutely must be sure that's what you're getting that's the way to go.  But, Ctrl+F will also bring up JAWS find in many contexts where a native find command is not available in the Windows environment in question.  If memory serves, JAWS always announces "JAWS virtual find" when the JAWS find comes up, so you can tell whether your plain Ctrl+F has triggered it or not.

        Some of my clients like to minimize the triple key presses they have to do, so I teach them to try a straight Ctrl+F first and to listen for "JAWS virtual find."  Virtually all of them learn very quickly where they actually need that shift or don't in their daily activities when they want a JAWS find.

Brian


How to get rid of jaws saying nonuniform border in Word or Outlook message

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

So as the subject line states, I’m trying to get rid of Jaws saying nonuniform border or black single cell border. One point wide when in a Word or outlook table. I actually knew how to do this in the past, but it’s been so long that I did it, I really just forgot how to turn this off.

I do find this feedback useful at times when I am putting together a table to make sure nothing’s miss matched or uneven, but I’d prefer to do it when I want to and not have Jaws constantly announce it every time I move from cell to cell.

I want to say it was somewhere in the format or options ribbin, but simply can’t recall what the proper selection is.

I’m using JFW 17 and Office 2010.

 

Thanks,


Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

We can change this right in the keyboard manager? I hate that keystroke.

It's difficult to evoke, or at least get my fingers in the right position.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold [mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:36 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

I got this from the Jaws help files, the append text to clipboard keystroke
has changed in later versions of Jaws to, Insert / Jaws Key, Windows Key, +
C:

Using FSClipboard
FSClipboard extends the functionality of the Windows Clipboard. When you use
the Windows Copy (CTRL+C) or Cut (CTRL+X) commands to place text on the
Clipboard, it replaces any text already there. When using the FSClipboard
feature, text that you copy is added to any text that you have previously
copied to the Clipboard. This allows you to continue adding text to the
Clipboard until you are ready to paste it into a document. You can only copy
text with the FSClipboard feature.

To add text to the Clipboard, select it using the text selection commands,
and then press WINDOWS Key+C. The text is appended to the end of any text
already on the Clipboard. To paste all the text that you have placed on the
Clipboard so far, use the Windows Paste command (CTRL+V).
The text is inserted into your document at the current location of the
cursor. Each block of text that you copied is separated by a blank line.

Note: If you attempt to add the same selection of text to the Clipboard more
than once, the text is not added. This feature is intended to reduce
unintentional duplication.

All formatting is removed from text that you copy using the FSClipboard
feature. This can be useful in programs like Microsoft Word if you do not
want to include styles, numbering, and other formatting information when you
paste text into a document.

If you want to replace all of the text on the Clipboard with a new text
selection, use CTRL+C or CTRL+X instead of WINDOWS Key+C. JAWS asks if you
want to overwrite your previously saved items. Choose Yes to replace all the
text on the Clipboard with the new selection.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 6:26 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Hi,

Can someone please remind me how to add a 2nd or more item to the
clipboard?

Thanks, Keith


Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Again Judith,
 
I'm sorry I replied too quickly before.  The erlier message explains how to find out what a keystroke is.  The append to clipboard keystroke for J16 is, Jaws Key, + Windows Key, + C.
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Which of these methods is for Jaws 16?

 

From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 7:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

 

Hi Maria,

 

Just to clarify, the keystroke is, Jaws key + spacebar, then, J.  You press the Jaws key + spacebar, let up on these keys then, press the letter, J.

Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:30 PM

Subject: Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

 

Press the key combination of insert plus windows key plus c.
If you are using JAWS 17, press space bar plus j, then in the edit field
type append.  You will get the information on how to do this.


On 12/22/2015 5:26 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can someone please remind me  how to add a 2nd or more item to the clipboard?
>
> Thanks, Keith
>
>
>
>

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.


Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Maria Campbell
 

Yeah, what he said.

On 12/22/2015 6:24 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Maria,
Just to clarify, the keystroke is, Jaws key + spacebar, then, J. You
press the Jaws key + spacebar, let up on these keys then, press the
letter, J.
Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Maria Campbell <mailto:lucky1@ct.metrocast.net>
*To:* jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Press the key combination of insert plus windows key plus c.
If you are using JAWS 17, press space bar plus j, then in the edit field
type append. You will get the information on how to do this.


On 12/22/2015 5:26 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can someone please remind me how to add a 2nd or more item to the
clipboard?
>
> Thanks, Keith
>
>
>
>

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net <mailto:lucky1@ct.metrocast.net>

Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.


--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.


Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Judith
 

The same one.  Just to clarify, the keystroke is, Jaws key + spacebar, then, J.  You press the Jaws key + spacebar, let up on these keys then, press the letter, J.

Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Which of these methods is for Jaws 16?

 

From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 7:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

 

Hi Maria,

 

Just to clarify, the keystroke is, Jaws key + spacebar, then, J.  You press the Jaws key + spacebar, let up on these keys then, press the letter, J.

Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:30 PM

Subject: Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

 

Press the key combination of insert plus windows key plus c.
If you are using JAWS 17, press space bar plus j, then in the edit field
type append.  You will get the information on how to do this.


On 12/22/2015 5:26 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can someone please remind me  how to add a 2nd or more item to the clipboard?
>
> Thanks, Keith
>
>
>
>

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.


Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

judith bron
 

Which of these methods is for Jaws 16?

 

From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 7:24 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

 

Hi Maria,

 

Just to clarify, the keystroke is, Jaws key + spacebar, then, J.  You press the Jaws key + spacebar, let up on these keys then, press the letter, J.

Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:30 PM

Subject: Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

 

Press the key combination of insert plus windows key plus c.
If you are using JAWS 17, press space bar plus j, then in the edit field
type append.  You will get the information on how to do this.


On 12/22/2015 5:26 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can someone please remind me  how to add a 2nd or more item to the clipboard?
>
> Thanks, Keith
>
>
>
>

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.


Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

This also works in Jaws 16.
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Hi Maria,
 
Just to clarify, the keystroke is, Jaws key + spacebar, then, J.  You press the Jaws key + spacebar, let up on these keys then, press the letter, J.
Take care.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Press the key combination of insert plus windows key plus c.
If you are using JAWS 17, press space bar plus j, then in the edit field
type append.  You will get the information on how to do this.


On 12/22/2015 5:26 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can someone please remind me  how to add a 2nd or more item to the clipboard?
>
> Thanks, Keith
>
>
>
>

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.



Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Maria,
 
Just to clarify, the keystroke is, Jaws key + spacebar, then, J.  You press the Jaws key + spacebar, let up on these keys then, press the letter, J.
Take care.
Mike

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Press the key combination of insert plus windows key plus c.
If you are using JAWS 17, press space bar plus j, then in the edit field
type append.  You will get the information on how to do this.


On 12/22/2015 5:26 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can someone please remind me  how to add a 2nd or more item to the clipboard?
>
> Thanks, Keith
>
>
>
>

--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.



Re: PDF-XChange Viewer: Possible Alternative to Adobe Reader

Brad Martin
 

I'm having pretty good success with JAWS 15 and Adobe Reader DC actually. Here are a couple of tips I've found:

1. In Adobe Reader XI, when JAWS was processing a large PDF, it would say so. In DC, it just acts like you're in a blank document. So you just have to wait it out. Sometimes pressing Control A as if you want to highlight the whole document helps.

2. For finding a word or phrase in the PDF with JAWS, I use Control Shift F instead of just Control f. Works fine for me. And that's in both Reader XI and DC. Control Shift F is the true "Jaws Find" command apparently.

If you're having a different issue with JAWS and Adobe Reader DC, let me know. I don't see anything that makes me want to rush to upgrade to DC at home. I upgraded to DC at work, and it's fine, but I don't see anything special about it. The main point of it was to push you into the cloud some more.

Brad

On 12/22/2015 12:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Ted,

          Also as an FYI, Adobe Reader DC is bringing up what looks to a sighted person to be a dialog box inside the program when Ctrl+F is hit to do a find.  Under the text box where you enter the word or phrase to be found there is a Previous key (activated by Ctrl+Shift+G) and a Next key (activated by Ctrl+G).

          I have no idea if this is an "improvement" to the DC version of reader or not.  That being said, I've had at least one client report that JAWS 15 is not playing well with Adobe Reader DC and we backed him off to Adobe Reader XI.

          I'm also finding out that Freedom Scientific often uses the, "Well, you need to upgrade to JAWS (insert current version number here) to see if that fixes it," line.  It doesn't disturb me so much that they're pushing upgrades, as those come about for a reason, but it disturbs me greatly that I hear "to see if that fixes it."  Their own trouble ticket databases should be able to be searched so that they know whether an update to the software actually addresses a problem, but I don't know if they don't check that or actually really don't know.  It frustrates me as a tutor and I cannot even begin to imagine how infuriating this can be for an actual user!

Brian



Re: MathML and PDF files

 

Pablo,

           I misunderstood and thought you said you were having trouble with JAWS reading these files in a web browser reader plug-in, not within Adobe Reader itself.

           I suspect you are correct on the "they don't know what they're talking about" front.  I would be utterly shocked if most PDFs that contain formula notation were generated with the text necessary for those to be read correctly by JAWS.   If these were truly fully functional under JAWS 10 I've not encountered anything that suggests that later versions of JAWS would have "broken" them.

           If you'd like to e-mail one to me as an attachment I could at least take a look at it and see what it looks like and whether those formulae are inserted as images, which happens quite often.

Brian


Re: MathML and PDF files

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

My husband, the printer, was amazed that JAWS reads my Haven manual right, since it is in columns. I have ABBYY Fine Reader. I don't know if that is the difference. Of course, I haven't read any kind of complicated formula, probably wouldn't know if it was reading one right or not.

It reads everything other than when instructions are given to punch this or that, they're either graphic or opposite background and color, I don't know, but enough material is given before hand that I can pretty much figure out what it means. Otherwise, the phone is explanatory enough that I['ve had no problem. That does not compare to college math, it just is that the columns are read as they should be.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Pablo Morales [mailto:pablocmd2014@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 6:45 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

Hi Brian,

But, according with your answer. I have no choice. Reading the PDF with adobe acrobat reader, jaws is reading the formulas in the wronge way. I am trying to read those formulas, but I have no way to read it. What to do then?





From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 4:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files



Pablo,

My general advice to my clients is to never rely on JAWS and any browser plug-in or extension related to reading PDF files to "play well" together. I've seen, time and again, PDF documents that are 100% accessible when JAWS and Adobe Reader are being used to access them but that just give really crazy results when a browser plug-in is involved.

Were I you I'd download said PDF files and open them with Adobe Reader then see what JAWS has to say. It may still not work as you'd expect, but I'm willing to bet the result will be different than it is when the file is opened within a web browser, any web browser.

Brian


Re: MathML and PDF files

Pablo Morales
 

Hi Brian,

But, according with your answer. I have no choice. Reading the PDF with adobe acrobat reader, jaws is reading the formulas in the wronge way. I am trying to read those formulas, but I have no way to read it. What to do then?

 

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 4:16 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

Pablo,

         My general advice to my clients is to never rely on JAWS and any browser plug-in or extension related to reading PDF files to "play well" together.  I've seen, time and again, PDF documents that are 100% accessible when JAWS and Adobe Reader are being used to access them but that just give really crazy results when a browser plug-in is involved.

          Were I you I'd download said PDF files and open them with Adobe Reader then see what JAWS has to say.  It may still not work as you'd expect, but I'm willing to bet the result will be different than it is when the file is opened within a web browser, any web browser.

Brian


Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I got this from the Jaws help files, the append text to clipboard
keystroke has changed in later versions of Jaws to, Insert / Jaws Key,
Windows Key, +
C:

Using FSClipboard
FSClipboard extends the functionality of the Windows Clipboard. When you
use the Windows Copy (CTRL+C) or Cut (CTRL+X) commands to place text on
the Clipboard, it replaces any text already there. When using the
FSClipboard feature, text that you copy is added to any text that you
have previously copied to the Clipboard. This allows you to continue
adding text to the Clipboard until you are ready to paste it into a
document. You can only copy text with the FSClipboard feature.

To add text to the Clipboard, select it using the text selection
commands, and then press WINDOWS Key+C. The text is appended to the end
of any text already on the Clipboard. To paste all the text that you have
placed on the Clipboard so far, use the Windows Paste command (CTRL+V).
The text is inserted into your document at the current location of the
cursor. Each block of text that you copied is separated by a blank line.

Note: If you attempt to add the same selection of text to the Clipboard
more than once, the text is not added. This feature is intended to reduce
unintentional duplication.

All formatting is removed from text that you copy using the FSClipboard
feature. This can be useful in programs like Microsoft Word if you do not
want to include styles, numbering, and other formatting information when
you paste text into a document.

If you want to replace all of the text on the Clipboard with a new text
selection, use CTRL+C or CTRL+X instead of WINDOWS Key+C. JAWS asks if
you want to overwrite your previously saved items. Choose Yes to replace
all the text on the Clipboard with the new selection.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. [mailto:kramlinger.keith@mayo.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 6:26 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Hi,

Can someone please remind me how to add a 2nd or more item to the
clipboard?

Thanks, Keith


Re: How do I append additional items to the clipboard?

Maria Campbell
 

Press the key combination of insert plus windows key plus c.
If you are using JAWS 17, press space bar plus j, then in the edit field type append. You will get the information on how to do this.

On 12/22/2015 5:26 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. wrote:
Hi,

Can someone please remind me how to add a 2nd or more item to the clipboard?

Thanks, Keith


--

Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
lucky1@ct.metrocast.net

Trials without God will break you. Trials with God will make you.