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Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Tom Behler
 

Brian:

 

I can do this, but need to know where to send the files,  since I don’t think the list will accommoddate the attachments.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 8:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

 

Tom,

       If you've got an "old word" file where it's announced, and a "new word" file where it's announced, I'll happily have a look to see what's up.  If it's very easy for you to tell me the phrase that precedes "vertical tab" that would make things a bit faster for me, but it's not necessary.
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


Is that the character that usually appears beside a radio button that is unchecked when you navigate with the JAWS cursor?



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

Annabelle,

          I do not know how accessible this PDF file is, but it's worth taking a look at, http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U25A0.pdf, which deals with unicode for geometric shapes.

          If, by quarter circle, you mean a circle with the quadrant at the top right (noon to 3 PM on a clock face) darkened the Hex code for that is 25D4.  It's called "circle with upper right quadrant black" and is on page four of the linked document.
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

Annabelle Susan Morison
 


For example:
symbol144=U+25cf 11010101 black circle



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

Annabelle,

         Would you also mind posting the steps to take to get JAWS to pronounce a given UNICODE character as you'd wish it to?
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Tom Behler
 

Carolyn:

Where would I find the alt vertical tab that you mention in step 4?

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Try:

1. Insert-F2 for JAWS Manager.
2. D for dictionary.
3. Control-Shift-D for default in all programs.
4. Write vertical tab.
5. Next tab hit a Spacebar.
6. Alt-F4, save changes and exit.

I don't know if that will work since this vertical tab statement from JAWS
might be from program or graphics as opposed to text, but it wouldn't hurt
to see if that gave you any relief.
Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a fairly
new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate
whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


Re: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

 

Annabelle,

         Would you also mind posting the steps to take to get JAWS to pronounce a given UNICODE character as you'd wish it to?
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

 

Tom,

       If you've got an "old word" file where it's announced, and a "new word" file where it's announced, I'll happily have a look to see what's up.  If it's very easy for you to tell me the phrase that precedes "vertical tab" that would make things a bit faster for me, but it's not necessary.
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

 

Annabelle,

          I do not know how accessible this PDF file is, but it's worth taking a look at, http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U25A0.pdf, which deals with unicode for geometric shapes.

          If, by quarter circle, you mean a circle with the quadrant at the top right (noon to 3 PM on a clock face) darkened the Hex code for that is 25D4.  It's called "circle with upper right quadrant black" and is on page four of the linked document.
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Tom Behler
 

Brian:

 

I can send you a sample  file where the vertical tabs are being announced, if you’d like.

 

One thing I have just discovered is that vertical tabs do not appear to be announced in files that have been prepared with previous versions of word such as Word 2003, 2007, or 2010.

 

It seems to be most prevalent with files in Word 2016, or in e-mails in Outlook 2016 in Office 365.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 7:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

 

Martin,

          I know what it is, but it is so very seldom used (or even known about) that I'm really wondering if what is being announced as "vertical tab" is actually a vertical tab.  I come from the days of computing when there were punch cards, 300 BAUD lines, tractor feed paper, and when carriage return was just that and a line feed character was necessary to bump the paper (or screen cursor) to the next line.

          The only use that I can conceivably find for vertical tab these days is if one is writing poetry where one wants line breaks but doesn't want the automatic paragraph break that comes from hitting return.  Were I writing this way I'd find it much easier to set paragraph spacing such that there was "no space after paragraph" and actually have to hit Enter twice to create a blank line.

          I'd love to have an example of a file where "vertical tab" is being announced to see how it's laid out on the screen and whether the vertical tab is actually there or if that's being used to describe something else.
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Pronunciation of Geometric Shapes in JAWS

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Hi, it's Annabelle.
I've discovered that you can configure JAWS to speak unicode characters in any way you want it to, but I wonder, of all the unicode characters, I can't find one that represents a "quarter circle". Where I've heard it speak this "quarter circle" is on radio buttons of an installation screen on a program, specifically the ones that are unchecked, especially when I navigate to them with the JAWS cursor. Which unicode character and hexidecimal value represents a quarter circle? This way, I can have JAWS speak all occurances of this character no matter what synthesizer I have it switched to.


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Try:

1. Insert-F2 for JAWS Manager.
2. D for dictionary.
3. Control-Shift-D for default in all programs.
4. Write vertical tab.
5. Next tab hit a Spacebar.
6. Alt-F4, save changes and exit.

I don't know if that will work since this vertical tab statement from
JAWS might be from program or graphics as opposed to text, but it
wouldn't hurt to see if that gave you any relief.
Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom
Behler
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 5:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a
fairly new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate
whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

 

Martin,

          I know what it is, but it is so very seldom used (or even known about) that I'm really wondering if what is being announced as "vertical tab" is actually a vertical tab.  I come from the days of computing when there were punch cards, 300 BAUD lines, tractor feed paper, and when carriage return was just that and a line feed character was necessary to bump the paper (or screen cursor) to the next line.

          The only use that I can conceivably find for vertical tab these days is if one is writing poetry where one wants line breaks but doesn't want the automatic paragraph break that comes from hitting return.  Were I writing this way I'd find it much easier to set paragraph spacing such that there was "no space after paragraph" and actually have to hit Enter twice to create a blank line.

          I'd love to have an example of a file where "vertical tab" is being announced to see how it's laid out on the screen and whether the vertical tab is actually there or if that's being used to describe something else.
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Martin Blackwell
 

Brian,

 

It’s a soft return, ASCII 11. Not a page break. I investigated this when it came up before in Word. If you put some soft returns (SHIFT+ ENTER) in a Word document, and search for ASCII 11 or manual line break you’ll find it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

 

Tom,

         Have you checked punctuation settings?

         I imagine this gets announced when many others don't because it represents an intentional page break where one would not otherwise occur and its a way to let the listener know that you've jumped to the next page "early."
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Tom Behler
 

Yes, I have, Brian;  and have punctuation set to “some”, as I always have done in the past.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 5:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

 

Tom,

         Have you checked punctuation settings?

         I imagine this gets announced when many others don't because it represents an intentional page break where one would not otherwise occur and its a way to let the listener know that you've jumped to the next page "early."
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


Re: Convenient OCR

Soronel Haetir
 

The answer in my experience is 'not very'. Especially when it comes to
placing spaces between words, it is terrible about that.

On 6/1/16, Ward Dudley <whdudley@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

I am doing some research for my work and wanted to see how accurate this
tool is while using it for other applications than PDFs. I regret to
say that
I have not utilized it any.

Thanks in advance,

Ward




--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


Re: How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

 

Tom,

         Have you checked punctuation settings?

         I imagine this gets announced when many others don't because it represents an intentional page break where one would not otherwise occur and its a way to let the listener know that you've jumped to the next page "early."
--
Brian


A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

         ~ William James


How To Stop Jaws From Saying "Vertical Tab"

Tom Behler
 

Hello, everyone.

As you may recall, I'm working to get Office 365 up and running on a fairly
new Windows 7 laptop. I am using the latest build of Jaws 17.

I have noticed that in many Outlook 2016 e-mails, and especially in
Microsoft Word documents, Jaws keeps saying "vertical tab", as I navigate
whatever it is I'm reading.

I don't recall encountering this behavior in the previous versions of
Outlook and Word that I have used.

How can I get Jaws to stop reading the vertical tabs, whatever they are?

As I'm sure yu can imagine, this vertical tab designation is very
distracting.

Dr. Tom Behler from Michigan


Convenient OCR

Ward Dudley
 

Hi everyone,

I am doing some research for my work and wanted to see how accurate this tool is while using it for other applications than PDFs. I regret to say that
I have not utilized it any.

Thanks in advance,

Ward


Re: Frames

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Cindy. It depends on What Internet Browser you are using. A list of frames can be generated by using JAWS Key plus F9. In Firefox, if you are inside a particular frame, you can press the Applications key and arrow down to "Show this frame only". This makes it easier to use the Mouse Cursor (ALT plus SHIFT plus Down Arrow). If you can get the mouse cursor to land on the flash video, you can click the Left Mouse key (next to the NumLock on a NumPad). Then the video will play. The problem is that with many of the new browsers, there are no buttons for the video. It just says
 
Flash Start
Flash End
 
This makes it almost impossible for a blind JAWS user to play the videos.
----- Original Message -----
From: Cindy Ray
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2016 10:48 AM
Subject: Frames

How do you read frames. I have been trying to play something and when I hit enter on the things to do with it they call it frames. I think the video is in a frame. I don’t know enough about them to be articulate.

Cindy

 



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Frames

Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

How do you read frames. I have been trying to play something and when I hit enter on the things to do with it they call it frames. I think the video is in a frame. I don’t know enough about them to be articulate.

Cindy

 


Can JAWS Work With Spectragrams?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Hi, it's Annabelle.
I'm corresponding with the representatives of Audionamix, who make a program called ADX Trax Pro, and they're working on making it accessible for screenreaders like JAWS. However, I'd like to find out, how would JAWS recognize a spectragram?