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Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Adrian,
 
Well, there sure as hell is a downside to this Caret Browsing extension!  A totally blind person will never know if it's on or off!  I know that with enough experimentation a totally blind person would probably be able to figure out if it's on or off, but I don't need to be wasting that kind of time when Caret Browsing in Firefox or Internet Explorer works just fine, & Jaws asks you if you want to turn on Caret Browsing whenever you press the, F7 key, or the, control + F7, keystroke in FF or IE.  About the only thing I have found Chrome good for is downloading, & it does download much faster than either FF or IE.  I've also heard how much safer Chrome is to use, but if you use safe browsing habits along with good antivirus / Internet security programs, you can use any browser, & not be this frustrated.  Personally I think I've wasted enough time with Chrome, & I think I'm through with it.  I'll keep it installed for 1 of those days when I feel like getting experimental, but I don't see that anytime soon.  I can use the time to try to communicate with our new roommate, my extremely  hard of hearing mother in law, well maybe not, LOL,  hahaha hahaha hahaha,  LOL
Take care.
Mike
Global warming?  Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

David,

 

Are you as sure of this as we were told Google Chrome is “completely accessible”? I say this because this topic is new to the list and everyone is understandably excited, but I’m not yet convinced we’ve ensured there’s no down side. I, for one, won’t commit my system to caret browsing until I understand why an option that has been available for years is suddenly one we can all use without consequences.

 

From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:38 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

 

Hi,

There is no problem with turning on the caret in IE or any other browser. Have a great one.

 

 

 

Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 6:21 PM

Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

 

I vaguely recall hearing about some harmful consequence from turning “caret browsing” on in IE, but nothing I find online confirms my dim memory. Wiki says both IE and Firefox allow for caret browsing, but Chrome does not. Here’s another article that seems to suggest caret browsing could help people working together with the screen and a screenreader. Note the spelling, which some listers didn’t get right: c a r e t:

 

https://www.microsoft.com/enable/products/ie11/

 

From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 6:00 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

 

Hi, Brian. You won't find the word Caret anywhere in the JAWS materials, because JAWS has no setting for caret browsing. This is only a setting found within the advanced settings of Internet Explorer. It won't help anyone with JAWS, unless they are using Internet Explorer as their current application.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 02:17 pm, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

Um, probably, but what does it do?

I've always been unclear on this account, too.

I just finished searching the JAWS 15, 16, & 17 Keystroke documents as well as the more comprehensive one someone gave the link to in another thread.  None have the word "caret" anywhere to be found.

The only place I've found anything on caret browsing in the JAWS materials I have that are electronically searchable, and that's lots from FS download, is in one of the files Mike B provided.   There's even mention of it in the FS documentation for MAGic.

Brian



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Re: Download Sound In Internet Explorer

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Ok, bro.

 

We got sounds turned on so now how do we get sounds for the different events to occur.

 

Work your magic for the list hoo deennie!

 

From: Mike B. [mailto:mb69mach1@...]
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 3:29 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Download Sound In Internet Explorer

 

Hi Jim,
 
I need to 1st preface these steps by stating that I'm running Windows 7 Pro 64 bit, IE11, & Jaws 16 & 17, but IE11 should be the same in Windows 8:

 

You might not have sounds turned on so, therefore you won't hear it or, the sound might be 1 that's hard to hear.  So, you assign a different sound to the,
Notify task in your Sound Scheme.  Below are steps on turning on sounds.
 
To get sounds In IE11:

 

With IE11 open, press ,control + J, to open the View Downloads dialog.  Tab to the options link, press the spacebar, tab and when you hear notify
me when download is complete, hit spacebar to check the checkbox. tab to & Okay the choice.  If the, control + J, keystroke doesn't work, try pressing, Alt + T, to open the tools menu, arrow down to, View Downloads, & press enter to open the View Downloads dialog.
 
In Internet Explorer 11 there is the option of playing system sounds, These sounds include a sound to Notify you when your downloads are complete
By default the system sounds & Notify when download is complete options are off. To turn them on:
1. On the tools menu, choose internet options.
 
2. In the dialog ctrl+tab until you get to the advanced page.
 
3. In the settings tree view, in the accessibility group, there's the item
play system sounds-off. You can quickly move to this by pressing the letter p. Press spacebar, and the item changes to play system sounds-on.
 
4. Now press the letter, N, to, Notify when downloads complete-OFF.  Press the spacebar to toggle this to, ON.

 

5. press enter to press the default ok button to save your changes & close Tools / Options.

Take care.
Mike
Global warming?  Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!

----- Original Message -----

From: Bill White

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 1:56 PM

Subject: Re: Download Sound In Internet Explorer

 

Hi, Jim. If you go to Internet Explorer Options, go to the Advanced settings, you will be able to tab to a tree view. Once you get to this tree view, arrow down to an entry which says something like:

 

System Sounds On

or

System Sounds Off

 

If it says System Sounds Off, Press the space bar to turn them on, tab to Apply, then tab to OK and press the Enter key.

 

Hope this helps you.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: HAMILTON

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:52 AM

Subject: Re: Download Sound In Internet Explorer

 

HI: Using Windows 8.1 and JAWS 17: To turn on sounds in IE 11, I tried both methods, 1) going to the "advance" tab under "options" when in IE11, and 2) pressing ctrl+j when IE11 first opens. In neither instance did I find anything about "sound". Please be more specific; or, tell me what I may be doing wrong. Thanks. Jim H



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Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Adrian Spratt
 

David,

 

Are you as sure of this as we were told Google Chrome is “completely accessible”? I say this because this topic is new to the list and everyone is understandably excited, but I’m not yet convinced we’ve ensured there’s no down side. I, for one, won’t commit my system to caret browsing until I understand why an option that has been available for years is suddenly one we can all use without consequences.

 

From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@...]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 9:38 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

 

Hi,

There is no problem with turning on the caret in IE or any other browser. Have a great one.

 

 

 

Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 6:21 PM

Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

 

I vaguely recall hearing about some harmful consequence from turning “caret browsing” on in IE, but nothing I find online confirms my dim memory. Wiki says both IE and Firefox allow for caret browsing, but Chrome does not. Here’s another article that seems to suggest caret browsing could help people working together with the screen and a screenreader. Note the spelling, which some listers didn’t get right: c a r e t:

 

https://www.microsoft.com/enable/products/ie11/

 

From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 6:00 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

 

Hi, Brian. You won't find the word Caret anywhere in the JAWS materials, because JAWS has no setting for caret browsing. This is only a setting found within the advanced settings of Internet Explorer. It won't help anyone with JAWS, unless they are using Internet Explorer as their current application.

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 02:17 pm, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

Um, probably, but what does it do?

I've always been unclear on this account, too.

I just finished searching the JAWS 15, 16, & 17 Keystroke documents as well as the more comprehensive one someone gave the link to in another thread.  None have the word "caret" anywhere to be found.

The only place I've found anything on caret browsing in the JAWS materials I have that are electronically searchable, and that's lots from FS download, is in one of the files Mike B provided.   There's even mention of it in the FS documentation for MAGic.

Brian



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Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Dave...
 


Brian,
 
There's a setting in the tools/options/advanced having to do with smooth scrolling. I wonder if that has any bearing?
 
Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 11:24 am, Marten Post Uiterweer <marten@...> wrote:
The brailleviewer is verry usefull. Ofcource it will not show things in
braille. It will show the text that is also shown on a brailledisplay
and a brailledisplay will show what Jaws speaks, so the brailleviewer
will also show what is spoken. Not completely, but for the most part.

 Marten,

             This can indeed be very useful in its own right, but take it from a sighted helper, it doesn't solve the original problem posed.  Most of us can tell precisely what JAWS is reading and saying, the problem is we have absolutely no idea where that is on the web page itself.  If you're on a text-rich webpage in particular, long wikipedia pages are an excellent example, JAWS can be reading multiple scrolled pages ahead of what has been left visible on the screen.  Trying to figure out where that actually is on the web page itself is often really a major production that breaks both flow and train of thought for the listener.

             I still do not have a reply from FS Technical Support of whether there actually is a practical way to make JAWS force Windows to scroll the web browser such that what's being read corresponds to what an assistant can actually see on the screen at that moment, at least somewhere on that screen.

Brian


Re: Chrome and Caret Browsing

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi David,
 
Jaws doesn't report that Caret Browsing is on or off in More Tools, for me anyways.  I've tried everything I know how to do with Jaws keystrokes & with the virtual cursor on & off, but I'm not seeing / hearing anything about this extension or any other.  Perhaps you can tell me exactly how you're getting Caret Browsing to be reported by Jaws in this menu / submenu.  Thanks much.
Take care.
Mike
Global warming?  Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Chrome and Caret Browsing

Hi Mike,
Even though it says that message, You have installed it to Chrome. I checked by opening Chrome and pressing the alt key to open the Chrome menu. Go to more tools and press enter. Arrow down the page, and you will find that caret browsing is enabled. Have a great one.
 
 
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Chrome and Caret Browsing
 
Hi All,
 
Has anyone been able to get thisCaret Browsing extension installed?  I get this message:
 
Added to Chrome unavailable
 
If anyone has been able to get it installed, would you please explain how you did it?
Take care.
Mike
Global warming?  Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 3:58 PM
Subject: Chrome and Caret Browsing
 

It wasn't implemented as a native feature, but is available via an extension written by Google Accessibility:  Caret Browsing 

Brian


Re: simply do not alt tab;suggested solution for using Adobe

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Yes, I agree, if it, indeed, wasn't an FS issue, but I'm not convinced this was the case. Jaws versions before Jaws 16 worked fine with Adobe, and it wasn't till updating to Jaws 16 that the issue began occuring. Anyway, it's fixed now, however it got fixed, I don't really care. :)

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason White via Groups.io [mailto:jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 5:34 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: simply do not alt tab;suggested solution for using Adobe

Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe Adobe fixed it in one of their updates, as FS said it wasn’t
their issue but Adobe’s. I was also told not to alt tab as a solution… hence
my hesitation in contacting FS tech support with my latest issue in edit
fields. :)
To be fair to the technical support person, if it wasn't their bug but
Adobe's, then there might not have been any other practical work-around until
Adobe fixed it in an update. "Just don't do the action that triggers the bug
until it's fixed" seems to me to be good advice.


Re: Chrome and Caret Browsing

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 06:25 pm, Mike B. <mb69mach1@...> wrote:
The only problem with this extension is that someone that is totally blind, such as myself, will never know if Caret Browsing is on or off for sure since Chrome doesn't give any kind of audible notice when pressing the F7 button to turn it on / off.  Thanks much for your follow-up.

 It's also silent for me in Firefox & IE (except that there is a dialog box that comes up when you turn caret browsing on, which has a checkbox for never showing it again).  I think this feature, from all appearances, is targeted at low-vision users rather than blind users.  Used in combination with magnification it could be incredibly helpful.  The version in Chrome gives some interesting animation options for the caret as well based on where it's located and whether it's jumped a long distance.

I will be curious to see how it functions when JAWS is reading when it's turned on.

Your idea about audible feedback at the toggle point is still a very good one.  It would make sense for there to be an "on tone" at the very least, but preferably an "off tone" too.

Brian


Re: Action Keys Mode - A Warning to Those Buying Certain New Laptops

Russell Solowoniuk
 

Interesting! I never thought of that. I haven't updated the BIOS since purchasing my laptop. If I do update the BIOS and mess up my function keys, I will just take it to work and get one of my co-workers to fix it for me! :)

Thanks,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 3:33 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Action Keys Mode - A Warning to Those Buying Certain New Laptops

Hi,
My wife bought me a HP stream for Christmas, I love it except for the
functions going back to having to hold down the FN key to get F1 through
F12. Have a great one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 12:44 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Action Keys Mode - A Warning to Those Buying Certain New
Laptops

Unfortunately this is only a temporary fix, at least for HP laptops.
HP laptops revert whenever the bios is updated and that has happened
several times with the one I have now. Thankfully I live with a seeing
eye human so when that happens getting it fixed is fairly easy.


On 1/31/16, Russell Solowoniuk <rsolowoniuk@gmail.com> wrote:
When I purchased my Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 laptop a little over a year ago from
Future Shop, I had the tech guys there go into the bios and set the
function
keys to behave the way I needed for Jaws use. I had a bit of a fight to
get
them to do this, but insisted they do it or I would purchase the laptop
somewhere where they would do it for me. It took the tech guy all of 3
minutes to do this. Don’t forget, when you are spending good money, that
you
have a right to have your laptop set up in a way that will work for you.
It’s much easier to get them to do it before the sale is made! :).

Thanks,

Russell
On Jan 31, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

For all I know the following may apply to some desktops and/or
all-in-ones, too, but I've not yet encountered it in these environments.

Since the beginning of the laptop, convention had been that the function
keys across the very top of the keyboard required the Fn key that's
nested
along the very bottom of the keyboard to be held before hitting a given
function key to make it perform whatever function the manufacturer
defines
for that key. Most people are familiar with function keys to do things
like: volume up, volume down, mute, wireless on/off, brightness up,
brightness down, etc.

There is a new feature that HP, at least, calls "Action Keys Mode" which
turns this convention on its head. When activated, this makes a simple
press of a given function key trigger its function rather than being
passed along to whatever application as a key press. This can have some
"interesting" effects for screen reader users. This function is
currently
enabled by default on my laptop and the F6 key so happens to be the Mute
on/off toggle key. When using NVDA, if I press F6 it simply toggles the
mute state. In order to make it behave as F6 normally would I must hit
Fn+F6. This does not apply if the SHIFT is pressed along with F6 in
order
to reverse the direction. That works perfectly well. I can only imagine
the chaos this could unleash if you start using the various commands that
employ the function keys on a system with Action Keys Mode activated.

Action Keys Mode can be disabled, but it is controlled via UEFI/BIOS. On
my machine one disables it by activating the UEFI menu by doing a
repeated
ESC key press during boot and selecting F10 choice. Once the
old-fashioned BIOS-like screen pops up, you have to transition to the
System Configuration pane and arrow to the Action Keys Mode entry and
disable it. Since this is done well before the operating system is even
involved, I don't know of a single screen reader that could be active to
accomplish the task.

Since this mode is controlled by the hardware ahead of any intervention
by
anything else, you must disable it if you wish your function keys to
operate "the way they always have."

Brian


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Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

David Moore
 

Hi,
There is no problem with turning on the caret in IE or any other browser. Have a great one.
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?
 

I vaguely recall hearing about some harmful consequence from turning “caret browsing” on in IE, but nothing I find online confirms my dim memory. Wiki says both IE and Firefox allow for caret browsing, but Chrome does not. Here’s another article that seems to suggest caret browsing could help people working together with the screen and a screenreader. Note the spelling, which some listers didn’t get right: c a r e t:

 

https://www.microsoft.com/enable/products/ie11/

 

From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 6:00 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

 

Hi, Brian. You won't find the word Caret anywhere in the JAWS materials, because JAWS has no setting for caret browsing. This is only a setting found within the advanced settings of Internet Explorer. It won't help anyone with JAWS, unless they are using Internet Explorer as their current application.

Bill White billwhite92701@...

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 02:17 pm, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...> wrote:

Um, probably, but what does it do?

I've always been unclear on this account, too.

I just finished searching the JAWS 15, 16, & 17 Keystroke documents as well as the more comprehensive one someone gave the link to in another thread.  None have the word "caret" anywhere to be found.

The only place I've found anything on caret browsing in the JAWS materials I have that are electronically searchable, and that's lots from FS download, is in one of the files Mike B provided.   There's even mention of it in the FS documentation for MAGic.

Brian



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Re: Caret Browsing Explained, Maybe

David Moore
 

Hi,
I listened to the video, and yes, it is just like the system blinking cursor that follows as you type in a word editor. JAWS uses the PC cursor where the system caret can go in an edit box. It is a blinking vertical line that is anywhere editing is possible. The caret cannot go to the toolbars, for example, so this is why we need the JAWS cursor which follows the mouse pointer to access that part of the screen. With NVDA, this is called navigation mode. Screenreaders pretend that there is that caret, when it is not there. This is done by the screen reader putting the web page in a virtual buffer, and then JAWS can pretend the caret is there when it is really not, and this is why we can use the arrow keys on the web. A sighted person cannot use the arrow keys on the web, because there is no caret there to move around. Well, this is where caret browsing comes in. If a sighted person presses F7, they will see the caret moving on the screen just like in a word document. This makes it a lot easier even for a sighted person to select text. This is the main reason a sighted person turns on the caret in a browser, is so they can select text a lot easier. They do not need to use the mouse to select text. Screen readers takes care of this caret problem for us by pretending that there is a caret there without us having to turn on the visible caret in the browser. However, if someone using a screen reader turns on the caret with F7, a sighted person can see right where the blind person is on the web page. This is some great stuff. Have a great one.
 
 

From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 6:41 PM
Subject: Caret Browsing Explained, Maybe
 
Hi All,
 
Maybe this will help.  There is also a YouTube link towards the bottom that talks about Caret Browsing.
 
From: Soronel Haetir
 
Caret browsing is not really a win7 feature, it is a browser feature instead.
 
Really all it does, as far as I can tell, is make the browser a bit more keyboard friendly in the absence of a screen reader.  It does make a visible caret show up on the page which has been really helpful when I've been trying to get sighted assistance with pages because then it is much easier to communicate about exactly where in the page I am looking.
 
The keyboard interaction stuff it enables though is pretty much already taken care of by any screen reader product.
Soronel
 
From: Mike & Barbara
Hi Lisle,
 
Here's another explanation.
 
In computing, caret navigation is a kind of keyboard navigation where a
caret (also known as "text cursor", "text insertion cursor", or "text
selection
cursor") is used to navigate within a text document. It is a fundamental
feature for applications that deal with text, for example text editors, word
processors
and desktop publishing programs.
 
This kind of navigation is also supported by the Mozilla-based web browsers,
where it is referred as "caret browsing". A shortcut key (F7) is assigned
to toggle between caret mode and non-caret mode. In caret mode, a blinking
caret appears within the webpage. User can then navigate the webpage using
arrow
keys. The navigation is finer than spatial navigation and tabbing
navigation, which deals with hyperlinks only, but most times it is slower.
 
so basically if you have a PSP or cellphone browser... that's what it
becomes like.. where you can move up and down by using the arrow keys [they
jump
to the next link]
 
to turn it off press F7 again
 
BTW, thanks for asking this question.  I always wondered what the hell it
was as well!  LOL  LOL
 
Now we both have learned a little!  Take care.
Mike
 
From: Mike & Barbara
Click on the link below for a tutorial of some sorts, I don't know if it's a
video or just audio.
 
 
I didn't have time to listen to but, a minute or so.  Hope this helps a
little.  Take care.
Mike
Take care.
Mike
Global warming?  Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!


Re: Chrome and Caret Browsing

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Brian,
 
Okay, I had my wife look at it & I did get it installed.  I didn't think it installed because I didn't find it when I went to,
about:plugins
after rebooting the computer.  The Caret shows at the very far right of my Toolbar according to my wife on this computer.  The only problem with this extension is that someone that is totally blind, such as myself, will never know if Caret Browsing is on or off for sure since Chrome doesn't give any kind of audible notice when pressing the F7 button to turn it on / off.  Thanks much for your follow-up.
Take care.
Mike
Global warming?  Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Chrome and Caret Browsing

Mike,

       It simply installed by choosing the "Add to Chrome" button (or it looks like a button) at the upper right side of the "overlay box" that comes up when I went to the web store.

       It added a button, showing a carrot, on the main toolbar at the next to leftmost position.  If one hits that button (or F7) the carrot button gets a very pale green background added to show that caret browsing is on and if one hits it (or F7) again it goes back to looking like a small carrot with a transparent background (the color of the toolbar shows through).

       I added this on my Win10 Home 64-bit machine running Chrome 48.0.2654.97 m.

Brian


Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

That is good to know.


Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 7:59 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 04:53 pm, Mike B. <mb69mach1@charter.net> wrote:


Pressing, F7, by itself works as well.

Just to confirm what Mike's said, the documentation in Firefox and Chrome describes the F7 key as a Caret Browsing toggle.

Brian


Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thank you very much.


Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 7:13 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Hi, Carolyn. No, it is not Shift plus F6. It is Control plus F7.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?


Thank you, Bill. Which keys do you hit? Is it Shift-6?

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 6:25 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Definition of: caret browsing
caret browsing
A feature in Web browsers that allows the user to move around a Web page and
highlight selections with the keyboard rather than a mouse. Users
unaccustomed to a laptop touchpad often find caret browsing easier to use
for selecting text. The caret is the name of the vertical "|" text cursor.
See caret.

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@windstream.net>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?


What is "caret browsing"?


Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 6:00 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Hi, Brian. You won't find the word Caret anywhere in the JAWS materials,
because JAWS has no setting for caret browsing. This is only a setting found
within the advanced settings of Internet Explorer. It won't help anyone with
JAWS, unless they are using Internet Explorer as their current application.
Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>
To: jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 02:17 pm, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@gmail.com
<mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com> > wrote:


Um, probably, but what does it do?

I've always been unclear on this account, too.

I just finished searching the JAWS 15, 16, & 17 Keystroke documents as well
as the more comprehensive one someone gave the link to in another thread.
None have the word "caret" anywhere to be found.

The only place I've found anything on caret browsing in the JAWS materials I
have that are electronically searchable, and that's lots from FS download,
is in one of the files Mike B provided. There's even mention of it in the
FS documentation for MAGic.

Brian



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Re: Chrome and Caret Browsing

David Moore
 

Hi Mike,
Even though it says that message, You have installed it to Chrome. I checked by opening Chrome and pressing the alt key to open the Chrome menu. Go to more tools and press enter. Arrow down the page, and you will find that caret browsing is enabled. Have a great one.
 
 

From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: Chrome and Caret Browsing
 
Hi All,
 
Has anyone been able to get thisCaret Browsing extension installed?  I get this message:
 
Added to Chrome unavailable
 
If anyone has been able to get it installed, would you please explain how you did it?
Take care.
Mike
Global warming?  Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 3:58 PM
Subject: Chrome and Caret Browsing
 

It wasn't implemented as a native feature, but is available via an extension written by Google Accessibility:  Caret Browsing 

Brian


Re: Definition of caret browsing

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Thanks.


Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com]
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 6:48 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Definition of caret browsing

Definition of: caret browsing
caret browsing
A feature in Web browsers that allows the user to move around a Web page
and highlight selections with the keyboard rather than a mouse. Users
unaccustomed to a laptop touchpad often find caret browsing easier to use
for selecting text. The caret is the name of the vertical "|" text
cursor. See caret.

Bill White billwhite92701@dslextreme.com
<mailto:billwhite92701@dslextreme.com>


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Re: Chrome and Caret Browsing

 

Mike,

       Also, open a new tab and enter chrome://extensions in the address bar and see what comes up on your extensions page.  I'm wondering if that message is somehow spurious since when I've had problems in the past the "Added to Chrome" part never came up unless something was Added.

Brian


Re: Chrome and Caret Browsing

 

Mike,

       It simply installed by choosing the "Add to Chrome" button (or it looks like a button) at the upper right side of the "overlay box" that comes up when I went to the web store.

       It added a button, showing a carrot, on the main toolbar at the next to leftmost position.  If one hits that button (or F7) the carrot button gets a very pale green background added to show that caret browsing is on and if one hits it (or F7) again it goes back to looking like a small carrot with a transparent background (the color of the toolbar shows through).

       I added this on my Win10 Home 64-bit machine running Chrome 48.0.2654.97 m.

Brian


Re: Chrome and Caret Browsing

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi All,
 
Has anyone been able to get thisCaret Browsing extension installed?  I get this message:
 
Added to Chrome unavailable
 
If anyone has been able to get it installed, would you please explain how you did it?
Take care.
Mike
Global warming?  Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 3:58 PM
Subject: Chrome and Caret Browsing

It wasn't implemented as a native feature, but is available via an extension written by Google Accessibility:  Caret Browsing 

Brian


Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 04:53 pm, Mike B. <mb69mach1@...> wrote:
Pressing, F7, by itself works as well.

 Just to confirm what Mike's said, the documentation in Firefox and Chrome describes the F7 key as a Caret Browsing toggle.

Brian


Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi Bill & Carolyn,
 
Pressing, F7, by itself works as well.
Take care.
Mike
Global warming?  Most likely caused from hot air generated by politicians!

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill White
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Hi, Carolyn. No, it is not Shift plus F6. It is Control plus F7.
Bill White billwhite92701@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?


Thank you, Bill. Which keys do you hit? Is it Shift-6?

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 6:25 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Definition of: caret browsing
caret browsing
A feature in Web browsers that allows the user to move around a Web page and
highlight selections with the keyboard rather than a mouse. Users
unaccustomed to a laptop touchpad often find caret browsing easier to use
for selecting text. The caret is the name of the vertical "|" text cursor.
See caret.

Bill White billwhite92701@...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carolyna@...>
To: <jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?


What is "caret browsing"?


Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill White [mailto:billwhite92701@...]
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2016 6:00 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Hi, Brian. You won't find the word Caret anywhere in the JAWS materials,
because JAWS has no setting for caret browsing. This is only a setting found
within the advanced settings of Internet Explorer. It won't help anyone with
JAWS, unless they are using Internet Explorer as their current application.
Bill White billwhite92701@...
<mailto:billwhite92701@...>

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@...>
To: jfw@groups.io <mailto:jfw@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 02:17 pm, Maria Campbell <lucky1inct@...
<mailto:lucky1inct@...> > wrote:


Um, probably, but what does it do?

I've always been unclear on this account, too.

I just finished searching the JAWS 15, 16, & 17 Keystroke documents as well
as the more comprehensive one someone gave the link to in another thread.
None have the word "caret" anywhere to be found.

The only place I've found anything on caret browsing in the JAWS materials I
have that are electronically searchable, and that's lots from FS download,
is in one of the files Mike B provided.   There's even mention of it in the
FS documentation for MAGic.

Brian



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