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Re: Firefox version 102, JAWS, and the context menu
Curtis Chong
JM:
Thank you. This is very well written.
Cordially,
Curtis Chong
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2022 10:55 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Firefox version 102, JAWS, and the context menu
Hello everyone. As the other thread has gone on for a while and people may miss the important message sent by Curtis (At least, I think it was him; sorry if it’s not, I deleted the message already) describing a workaround for the problem of JAWS not being able to engage with the context menu through standard means, I thought I would explain in another message, as well as outlining my own ideas about this problem and what is actually happening.
First, while NVDA can interact as normal with the context menu, JAWS cannot, and it doesn’t matter what JAWS version you are using, new or old. The problem as I see it is that, normally, when an item is “clicked” to activate the right-click or context menu, the user is automatically taken outside the virtual buffer in order to activate a menu choice. This could be with the arrow keys, or it could be with a keystroke that activates your menu option of choice. Now, for whatever reason, while pressing the context menu key does activate the menu, JAWS stays in virtual mode, and therefore, your arrow keys and letter keys won’t interact with the menu at all, but instead will do what you’d normally xpect in reading mode as if you hadn’t activated the menu at all. To solve this, turn the virtaul cursor off with insert-z after you hit the context menu key. Jaws will not immediately announce “context menu” but you will be in it, and hitting down arrow will alert JAWS that this is, in fact, what you want to interact with. You can also, of course, press a letter to activate the menu option instead of the arrows. For example, I’ve just gone to the webpage of one of my favourite podcasts on podbay.fm. I find the episode I want, and go to the download link. I press the context menu key, then insert-z, and then the letter k to activate the save file dialogue box.
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Firefox version 102, JAWS, and the context menu
JM Casey
Hello everyone. As the other thread has gone on for a while and people may miss the important message sent by Curtis (At least, I think it was him; sorry if it’s not, I deleted the message already) describing a workaround for the problem of JAWS not being able to engage with the context menu through standard means, I thought I would explain in another message, as well as outlining my own ideas about this problem and what is actually happening.
First, while NVDA can interact as normal with the context menu, JAWS cannot, and it doesn’t matter what JAWS version you are using, new or old. The problem as I see it is that, normally, when an item is “clicked” to activate the right-click or context menu, the user is automatically taken outside the virtual buffer in order to activate a menu choice. This could be with the arrow keys, or it could be with a keystroke that activates your menu option of choice. Now, for whatever reason, while pressing the context menu key does activate the menu, JAWS stays in virtual mode, and therefore, your arrow keys and letter keys won’t interact with the menu at all, but instead will do what you’d normally xpect in reading mode as if you hadn’t activated the menu at all. To solve this, turn the virtaul cursor off with insert-z after you hit the context menu key. Jaws will not immediately announce “context menu” but you will be in it, and hitting down arrow will alert JAWS that this is, in fact, what you want to interact with. You can also, of course, press a letter to activate the menu option instead of the arrows. For example, I’ve just gone to the webpage of one of my favourite podcasts on podbay.fm. I find the episode I want, and go to the download link. I press the context menu key, then insert-z, and then the letter k to activate the save file dialogue box.
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Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
Peter Donahue
Hello Marie and everyone,
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And there's no reason why someone cannot raise $120.00 to cover that cost. Forgoing a few pricy meals or a few other activities that are a financial drain will help you cover that cost easily. Peter Donahue
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Nelson Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 11:34 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License You must be using Jaws Professional, on which there is no discount. The cost of the two year SMA for Jaws Home is $120 with the discount or $150 without. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 9:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License Hello, Raising funds to cover that expense is doable. Ask those who have done it for tips and tricks. Peter Donahue -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:36 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License It's a great reason to switch to the JAWS Home Annual License, available for $95 per year. Curtis -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of William Vandervest Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2022 8:34 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License I just checked my sma and a renewal would cost $210.00, big bummer William Vandervest timelord09@... Win10 latest revision There are none so blind, as those who will not see. William Vandervest u -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:13 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License Gerald I haven't seen any discounts offered this convention season for Jaws. Generally, the most cost effective way to purchase a SMA is to renew for 2 years instead of 1 at the time of renewal. As I'm set through the 2024 upgrade, it shows me no prices when looking at the upgrade page. |
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Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
William Vandervest
Now I'm confused, lol
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I purchased this sma after jfw 2022 was released William Vandervest timelord09@... Win10 latest revision There are none so blind, as those who will not see. William Vandervest u
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 12:30 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License If 2022 was your last upgrade that your SMA entitled you to then to get the lower $150 price, you should have bought another two years before they released the 2022 version. That is what I meant by letting your SMAs expire. Sorry for the confusion. Gene... On 7/2/2022 11:21 AM, William Vandervest wrote: My sma is good for jfw 2022 so it hasn't expired yet |
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Got it.
So what do think is the best work around for touch screens then? Greetings and thanks for the quick reply. |
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Re: drag and drop instructions
Gene Warner
Agreed, I'm going to have an Aira agent move my Pop Peeper icon to where I want it the next time I need to do a Team Viewer session with them.
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Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
Marie Nelson
You must be using Jaws Professional, on which there is no discount. The cost of the two year SMA for Jaws Home is $120 with the discount or $150 without.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 9:28 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License Hello, Raising funds to cover that expense is doable. Ask those who have done it for tips and tricks. Peter Donahue -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:36 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License It's a great reason to switch to the JAWS Home Annual License, available for $95 per year. Curtis -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of William Vandervest Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2022 8:34 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License I just checked my sma and a renewal would cost $210.00, big bummer William Vandervest timelord09@... Win10 latest revision There are none so blind, as those who will not see. William Vandervest u -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:13 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License Gerald I haven't seen any discounts offered this convention season for Jaws. Generally, the most cost effective way to purchase a SMA is to renew for 2 years instead of 1 at the time of renewal. As I'm set through the 2024 upgrade, it shows me no prices when looking at the upgrade page. |
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Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
Gene Warner
SMAs are cheaper, I only pay $60 per year because I always add to my SMAs during the convention discount period.
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Re: [tech-vi Announce List] Just Announced at the ACB Convention: Special: JAWS Home Annual License 20% DiscountFor 3 or 5 Year Renewals
Marie Nelson
If you have trouble, just call customer service and they will take care of you. Marie
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Kestrel Verlager
Freedom Scientific sure doesn’t make it easy to actually locate and purchase these specials, though: I’ve just spent the past half-hour attempting to renew my Jaws subscription. K.
From: tech-vi@groups.io <tech-vi@groups.io>
On Behalf Of David Goldfield
This was mentioned during Freedom Scientific’s session covering new features in JAWS, currently streaming on ACB Media 5 as I write this. According to their announcement you can purchase a JAWS home annual license for 3 or 5 years at a 20% discount. I’m uncertain if this special ends on July 31 along with their other specials and I have not yet checked to verify whether this discount also applies to Fusion or Zoomtext. As a reminder several hardware magnification products are also being temporarily offered at discounted prices. In addition, an OpenBook license is being offered for only $195.00 and the Pearl Camera is available for $200.00.
https://vispero.com/events/acb-2022/ David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
Gene Warner
If 2022 was your last upgrade that your SMA entitled you to then to get the lower $150 price, you should have bought another two years before they released the 2022 version. That is what I meant by letting your SMAs expire. Sorry for the confusion.
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Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
Loy
If you are up to date on your SMA, a SMA renewal for $120 that covers two years is a better deal. This is what I did. But if you are behind in your SMA then go for the annual license.
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From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License It's a great reason to switch to the JAWS Home Annual License, available for $95 per year. Curtis -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of William Vandervest Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2022 8:34 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License I just checked my sma and a renewal would cost $210.00, big bummer William Vandervest timelord09@... Win10 latest revision There are none so blind, as those who will not see. William Vandervest u -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:13 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License Gerald I haven't seen any discounts offered this convention season for Jaws. Generally, the most cost effective way to purchase a SMA is to renew for 2 years instead of 1 at the time of renewal. As I'm set through the 2024 upgrade, it shows me no prices when looking at the upgrade page. |
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Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
Peter Donahue
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Raising funds to cover that expense is doable. Ask those who have done it for tips and tricks. Peter Donahue
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:36 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License It's a great reason to switch to the JAWS Home Annual License, available for $95 per year. Curtis -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of William Vandervest Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2022 8:34 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License I just checked my sma and a renewal would cost $210.00, big bummer William Vandervest timelord09@... Win10 latest revision There are none so blind, as those who will not see. William Vandervest u -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:13 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License Gerald I haven't seen any discounts offered this convention season for Jaws. Generally, the most cost effective way to purchase a SMA is to renew for 2 years instead of 1 at the time of renewal. As I'm set through the 2024 upgrade, it shows me no prices when looking at the upgrade page. |
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Re: drag and drop instructions
Tom X <ballistic622@...>
Firstly, thanks to those who answered my query about drag and drop.
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A number of possible solutions, including one supplied by Mike and others found with Google, were tried but nothing worked. Secondly,I am attempting to rearrange some accounts in Thunderbird and drag and drop seems to be the method used. It appears that the easiest solution may be to get a pair of eyes to do it. Cheers Tom
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Re: Ribbon help in 2022
Morey Worthington
that sounds great david, will give it a effort, and sure do appreciate it.
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FW: [tech-vi Announce List] Just Announced at the ACB Convention: Special: JAWS Home Annual License 20% DiscountFor 3 or 5 Year Renewals
Kestrel Verlager <kestrell@...>
Freedom Scientific sure doesn’t make it easy to actually locate and purchase these specials, though: I’ve just spent the past half-hour attempting to renew my Jaws subscription. K.
From: tech-vi@groups.io <tech-vi@groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 11:20 AM To: Tech-VI Announcement List <tech-vi@groups.io> Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] Just Announced at the ACB Convention: Special: JAWS Home Annual License 20% DiscountFor 3 or 5 Year Renewals
This was mentioned during Freedom Scientific’s session covering new features in JAWS, currently streaming on ACB Media 5 as I write this. According to their announcement you can purchase a JAWS home annual license for 3 or 5 years at a 20% discount. I’m uncertain if this special ends on July 31 along with their other specials and I have not yet checked to verify whether this discount also applies to Fusion or Zoomtext. As a reminder several hardware magnification products are also being temporarily offered at discounted prices. In addition, an OpenBook license is being offered for only $195.00 and the Pearl Camera is available for $200.00.
https://vispero.com/events/acb-2022/ David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
Curtis Chong
It's a great reason to switch to the JAWS Home Annual License, available for
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$95 per year. Curtis
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of William Vandervest Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2022 8:34 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License I just checked my sma and a renewal would cost $210.00, big bummer William Vandervest timelord09@... Win10 latest revision There are none so blind, as those who will not see. William Vandervest u -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:13 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License Gerald I haven't seen any discounts offered this convention season for Jaws. Generally, the most cost effective way to purchase a SMA is to renew for 2 years instead of 1 at the time of renewal. As I'm set through the 2024 upgrade, it shows me no prices when looking at the upgrade page. |
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Re: Ribbon help in 2022
David Kingsbury
Hi Morey, There is no difference navigating ribbons from one JAWS version to another. My guess is that your ribbons are minimized rather than maximized. Get onto the upper ribbon by pressing Alt, and then press Control F1 to maximize them. They should then behave properly. David |
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Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
William Vandervest
My sma is good for jfw 2022 so it hasn't expired yet
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:40 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License You probably let your SMAs expire, they do charge you for that. Gene... On 7/2/2022 10:34 AM, William Vandervest wrote: I just checked my sma and a renewal would cost $210.00, big bummer |
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Re: Firefox 102 workaround for JAWS Users
JM Casey
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Ah. So, still an extra keystroke here, but, not only does what you described work...but you can turn off the virtual cursor 8after* hitting the context menu/right click to access the menu. In other words, do what you would normally do, accessing the right click menu on a link by whatever means you choose -- JAWS will not say anything, but Firefox should make the activation sound if you have those enabled. Then, turn off the virtual cursor,a nd hit the down arrow...you'll see your menu options.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong Sent: July 1, 2022 06:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Firefox 102 workaround for JAWS Users Greetings and salutations: If one has to use Firefox 102, for whatever reason, there really is a work-around to the inability to read the context menu you open up when you right click on a link. Focus on the link with the virtual cursor for JAWS turned on. Now, with Insert z, turn off the virtual cursor and tab back and forth until you are sure you are focused on the correct link. Then, activate the right click function (Shift F10 in my case). Use arrow keys to review the menu. The JAWS latest update seems to have broken something inasmuch as, with NVDA, this work-around is not necessary. Cordially, Curtis Chong |
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Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
Gene Warner
You probably let your SMAs expire, they do charge you for that.
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