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Re: research it

Jeanette McAllister
 

Insert + space bar and then the letter R.

Dr. Jeanette McAllister
757-346-0708

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 3, 2016, at 1:54 PM, judith bron <jbron@...> wrote:

Hi, I’m having a brain freeze and can’t remember how to access research it.  Can anyone give me the keystroke?  I tried Insert R  but that doesn’t work with Firefox.


research it

judith bron
 

Hi, I’m having a brain freeze and can’t remember how to access research it.  Can anyone give me the keystroke?  I tried Insert R  but that doesn’t work with Firefox.


Re: buying Microsoft Office first time

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

You can actually import and edit an existing document, not merely create or save one.  I am using the capability to punch up an old ham radio manual.  if you click on a PDF file, rather than just opening it, you get an open as option, which includes Word.  That’s one of the things that sold me on 13. 

 

Ted

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 10:26 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: buying Microsoft Office first time

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 07:22 am, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) <ted.lisle@...> wrote:

the extra PDF support

 Ted,

         Can you give just a couple of examples of what you're referring to?  Office 2010 definitely has the ability to, for instance, save a Word document in PDF format, but I'm wondering what else may have popped up in Office 2013.

Brian


Re: MathML and PDF files

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 08:49 pm, Kimsan <kimsansong@...> wrote:
Hahaha. How was Adrians comment, nasty?  It was a suggestion.

 Kimsan,

               I took it upon myself, entirely of my own volition, to take up the cause of accessibility issues with this particular test document with AccuPlacer, and started the process of trying to get them to look at it and update it in December, when this thread started.  I have continued to have back and forth contact with them when it appeared that the ball had been dropped.  Finally, after several months effort, I received a direct reply from them that included an updated file that they claimed was accessible.

              When I posted that information here and gave what I'd hoped would be a workable link to said file, I stated, "if you'd like to play with it to see how accessible it actually is."

              I am not a screen-reader user, day in and day out, so I am really not in the position to make any sort of accurate assessment as to whether a given piece of material is actually accessible or not.  I threw this out there to the cohort hoping that a few people might be curious enough to actually "play with it to see how accessible it actually is."  You all would be the experts on this particular piece of the puzzle, not I.

              I never once "recommended" this document to anyone.  I've gone to a lot of effort because I actually cared enough to do so.  I made clear that this was the result offered to me and that others should have a look.  Getting condescending comments in light of all that is pretty nasty and offensive, at least to me.

              If anyone wants to take up the effort of looking at this file in whatever versions of JAWS they have, and offering feedback to the folks at AccuPlacer, it appears that they'd value that.  I sent an e-mail a short while ago to them outlining that issues had already been identified by screen-reader users and received the following response:

---------------------------------------------------------------

Hello Brian,

Thank you for contacting ACCUPLACER Customer Support.

We are sorry to hear that your experience with ACCUPLACER and JAWS has been disappointing and less than you expected up to this point.  If you could provide us with as much detailed information as possible about each of the issues you found, we will work with our development team and the third party vendor to address your concerns as quickly as possible.

Please let us know if you need additional assistance.


Thank you,
Thomas
ACCUPLACER Customer Support
accuplacer@... 
1-866-607-5223

---------------------------------------------------------------

The e-mail address that I've been using to contact them on this matter, which will be trimmed for forums users, is accuplacer at support dot pearson dot com.

At this point I'm simply bowing out, at least in public and on the forum about this issue.  It seems that I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.  And I'll be damned if I'm going to put myself in that position ongoing.

Brian


Re: buying Microsoft Office first time

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Amen.   I learned that tab trick after getting hopelessly lost a time or two.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 8:10 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: buying Microsoft Office first time

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 04:25 pm, Robert Logue <bobcat11@...> wrote:

Actually there is a serious difference to me with ribbons.  That is they are not liniar navigation. 

 Robert,

           I've had an extended private back an forth on the Ribbons with another regular here off-forum.  He taught me a new things and, I hope, vice versa.

           The first thing he made me aware of is that the custom for going through menus was almost strictly using arrow keys.  That's definitely the direct route to madness with the ribbons.  TAB and SHIFT+TAB are the ways to move sequentially through (and even between, if you keep on going) the various ribbon groups, which can be thought of as submenus if you think of the ribbon as a whole as a menu.  You can move directly from one group to the next one/previous one, using CTRL+Right Arrow/Left Arrow.  Eventually this can move you out of the Ribbon to a couple of other controls that are in "the general area" but are not in the ribbon itself.  I'll use WordPad and the Home Ribbon as an example.  I always teach my clients to invoke a ribbon with whatever ALT+letter combination is appropriate, ALT+H in this example, then to use a single TAB to enter the rightmost group in a ribbon, and that's virtually always the Clipboard group.  If you keep hitting TAB you will go through each control in the Clipboard group then, once you're on the last one, the next tab takes you to the Font group, and "lather, rinse, repeat" with using TAB or SHIFT+TAB if you want to go forward/backward one control in a given group.  When you hit the last control in a group, the next TAB will always take you to the first control in the next group over, so in WordPad that would be Clipboard, Font, Paragraph, Insert, and Editing.  Of course, once one is familiar with what's in each of the groups you certainly don't want to TAB yourself to death, so, you can use the CTRL+Right Arrow/Left Arrow to jump between them then TAB to the specific control you want.  Finally, for controls you find are part of your "greatest hits" collection it's worth learning the keyboard shortcut that gets you directly to it.  For example, the Font selection dropdown can be reached directly, and ready for you to change it, using ALT+H+F1 in WordPad.  Since other programs, e.g., MS-Word, have a lot more options in the Font Group than WordPad does the keyboard shortcuts will vary a bit.  Getting directly to font selection in all the MS-Office programs is ALT+H+FF and, so far, all of the controls that "span programs" in Office also share the same keyboard shortcut in each of them.

           The various ribbons in MS-Office are customizable, wildly so in fact.  If you bring up the File tab, Options Option, which I suggest you do with ALT+F,T, "Customize Ribbon" is one of the options.  Getting into the mechanics of customizing the ribbon itself is outside the scope of this brief conversation.  Since the Ribbon content is dependent on the program in question, though many similarities exist between the various programs, you have to customize the ribbon(s) for each program within that program.  But the previously mentioned key sequence will bring up the Options dialog in any of the Office suite programs.  I generally discourage customizing the ribbons, or at least extensively so, because if you have to use another machine with the "usual Office default layout" you often end up quickly lost and/or frustrated because you're not accustomed to the typical layout.  But only you know whether that's a legitimate concern in your own circumstances.

           Try what I mentioned in the first paragraph for navigating in any ribbon and I suspect you'll find it a lot less hellish than you currently do.  

Brian


Re: How To Get Rid Of Get Windows 10 Message

 

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 06:05 am, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:
It’s actually one extra step.

Thanks.  I use pretty much the technique you mention, but via mouse.  I just think it's ridiculous that they removed the ability to do a "Send to->Desktop (create shortcut)" from the program icon no matter where you find it.  The extra bit about having to "Show in folder" and then performing that task really annoys me for some reason.  It's not like it's rocket science to figure it out but it feels like a step backward from a convenience perspective.

Brian


Re: Determining case of letters in an email

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

Also, with JAWS, you can set them higher than the default, which I do. I
think that the default is about 20, and I keep mine on 40. That way, when
I'm typing pretty fast, that higher pitch grabs my attention. However, of
course, when reading, it would be annoying, because one would have to
read one letter at a time to determine which were capitalized and which
were not.

To alter the pitch, Insert-J, Basics, then Voices, then tab to it, arrow
to the pitch you want and go to OK.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: David Moore [mailto:jesusloves1966@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 9:18 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Determining case of letters in an email

Hi,
With JAWS, the letters in upper case should have a higher pitch
associated with them as you arrow across them letter by letter. Have a
great one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 9:14 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Determining case of letters in an email

Hi,

I know I should know this, but I don't.

I receive an email several times weekly that has a case-sensitive letter
code within the message that I need to text message back to the sender.

How can I figure out which letters are upper case? They come in a string
of
6.

Thanks, Keith


Re: simply do not alt tab;suggested solution for using Adobe

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

Anybody remember the film “Fire Fox”?  Now those are the smarts we need—make my day!

 

Ted

 

From: judith bron [mailto:jbron@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:26 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: simply do not alt tab;suggested solution for using Adobe

 

Or like telling the same blind computer user to pick up a mouse and will it to do what you think.  Alt tabbing is as normal as breathing.  JB

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 6:28 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: simply do not alt tab;suggested solution for using Adobe

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 03:24 pm, ptusing <ptusing@...> wrote:

simply do not ever alt tab.

 Yeah, right.  This is akin to telling a computer user who can't see the system tray to "simply do not ever breathe."

Oy!

Brian


Re: signatures in pdf form

Mario
 

hey, that's right. I haven't thought about doing that. I'll ask if I can fax it.. thanks Kimsan.

On 2/3/2016 1:55 AM, Kimsan wrote:
Oh my goodness!

I had my college email me a pdf form yesterday, and I ran into the same exact issue as yourself. I was able to fill out everything, except the signature part.

So what was my solution? Lol, I just printed it out, signed it, then faxed it back to them.
However, I will be following this thread, as I would love to know what to do next time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 12:46 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: signatures in pdf form

I have a pdf form that needs to be filled in, including signatures. I am using acrobat reader dc and I am able to fillin name, address, city, state, zip, etc, but what about signatures? how can this be done?

I haven't got any idea, except to have my signature digitally scanned or photoed, cropped, and inserted, but have no idea as to successfully do this. help!









Re: How To Get Rid Of Get Windows 10 Message

Londa Peterson
 

Hi Brian,

It’s actually one extra step. Go to the start menu and press up arrow to “all apps”. Press enter and find the program you want. Right click or press the applications key. Go down to “open file location”. You will be in the programs folder sitting on the program you want. Press the applications key again and go to “send to”. Press enter and then go down to “desktop create shortcut”. I’ve gotten to the point that it only takes me an extra second or two to do this. Hope this helps.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 4:58 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How To Get Rid Of Get Windows 10 Message

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 12:54 pm, Londa Peterson <lpeterson@...> wrote:

Also, if you're upgrading from Windows 7, run the tool on the Freedom Scientific website that removes old versions of JAWS. This will remove the mirror drivers. These are not needed in Windows 8.1 or 10, and they will actually cause problems in win 10.

 Londa,

            Thanks very much for this info.  I have not upgraded any JAWS users I work with to Windows 10, and would be really hesitant to do so with anyone on Windows 7 in particular.  I had no idea these issues existed.

            When Windows 8 came out it was, as far as I am concerned, a tectonic shift in the Windows user interface.  A great many of the things that had "gone autopilot" decades ago for long-time Windows users disappeared and the learning curve was significant and sometimes painful.  While Windows 10 brings back a number of things, most notably the Start Menu, that Windows 8 did away with the switch to the tile-based start menu is still a big difference.  It's also a grand PITA to put shortcuts on your desktop compared to Win7 and earlier (or at least via the method I'd always used).

Brian


Re: Question about JAWS and filing your Taxes in Canada

Hank & Patty <hank1patty@...>
 

 
Hello back Peter,
 
Thanks very much for the helpful info.
 
 
 
 
 
All the best,
 
Hank
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Question about JAWS and filing your Taxes in Canada
 
Hello,

In Canada, the CRA (Canada Revenue Agency) has a new online service.

If you create a CRA "my Account",  you will have access to a number of online tax services.
From the main page, the "file a Return" link provided this key statement:

you can use the new Auto-fill my return service to automatically fill in parts of your income tax and benefit return, making the online filing process even simpler.

Perhaps you can investagate this further. I will but not for another year.

I have been using the Turbo Tax Standard (for Canada) for the last 5 years. There are a few difficulties, but with some tricks, I could make JAWS to complete and net file the return.

Peter T.



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Question about JAWS and filing your Taxes in Canada
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 21:01:03 -0400
From: Hank & Patty mailto:hank1patty@...
Reply-To: jfw@groups.io
To: jfw@groups.io


Hello,
 
Is this income tax software VTaxacts only good for filing income tax in the United States or only good for filing your income tax here in Canada?  Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Much thanks for any help on this.
 
 
 
 
All the best,
 
Hank
 
 


Re: Question about JAWS and Taxes

Walker, Michael E
 

I definitely would not use OCR software on something sensitive like taxes. If the OCR software produced inaccurate results, when I thought they were accurate, then there is the possibility that the IRS would require me to send in a revision. So, what I would do is what Aaron said: request as many forms as I could electronically, and have a family member read the rest to me. My family member would be my "reader". I would trust a family member over a third party reader. Mike


Re: Question about JAWS and filing your Taxes in Canada

Peter Tesar
 

Hello,

In Canada, the CRA (Canada Revenue Agency) has a new online service.

If you create a CRA "my Account",  you will have access to a number of online tax services.
From the main page, the "file a Return" link provided this key statement:

you can use the new Auto-fill my return service to automatically fill in parts of your income tax and benefit return, making the online filing process even simpler.

Perhaps you can investagate this further. I will but not for another year.

I have been using the Turbo Tax Standard (for Canada) for the last 5 years. There are a few difficulties, but with some tricks, I could make JAWS to complete and net file the return.

Peter T.



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Question about JAWS and filing your Taxes in Canada
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 21:01:03 -0400
From: Hank & Patty <hank1patty@...>
Reply-To: jfw@groups.io
To: jfw@groups.io


Hello,
 
Is this income tax software VTaxacts only good for filing income tax in the United States or only good for filing your income tax here in Canada?  Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Much thanks for any help on this.
 
 
 
 
All the best,
 
Hank



Re: Question about JAWS and Taxes

Lauren Snyder
 

Hi Brad:

 

Thank you for the info. I will try it. I am not sure if I have to file taxes in the city and will have to research that.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

Lauren

 

From: Brad Martin [mailto:brad@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 7:50 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: Question about JAWS and Taxes

 

My mail seems to be working again. Hurray. To the other questions posed on this list:

Lauren, I just called the MyFreeTaxes helpline for you. They do not support city taxes. State and federal yes, but not city. I'm sorry the volunteer site didn't work out for you. If you were here, I'd do them for you. I'm a fifth year operator of three volunteer sites, and while mistakes can happen, I'm proud to say they're extremely rare at our sites.

I get someone to read the documents. It would be too easy for the software to OCR it in a way that it puts the wrong number on the wrong line or interprets a 7 as a 1. I always get someone to read the information to me, even when I'm doing someone else's returns.

Hope this helps,
Brad

On 2/2/2016 6:37 PM, Brad Martin wrote:

I'm going to try to answer this question, but I'm having a lot of trouble with this Email address of mine.

I use MyFreeTaxes.com which is completely free if your income is below $62,000. It will launch you into H&R Block, but by starting at MyFreeTaxes.com you get the free service if you meet the income limit. Very very accessible and easy to use. And it handles more than just basic returns. It can do almost anything except foreign income and I think city/local taxes. It lets you do federal and up to three states free.

Brad

On 2/2/2016 11:45 AM, Walker, Michael E wrote:

Hi,

 

What have you found to be the most accessible program for filing income taxes with JAWS?

 

Thank you,

Mike

 

 


Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

I've never fooled with it. I always presumed you had to have a braille device before it worked. In fact, entering on it either at home or work seems to do nothing, but, trying it just now, it appears in the list of active programs (JAWS-F10).

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 10:51 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Mike, the braille viewer should be listed as the first, if not second command in the startup menu: start menu, all programs, JAWS 14, braille viewer.


On 1/30/2016 10:14 AM, mike mcglashon wrote:
is this braille viewer feature only available in jaws 15 and higher?
the reason I ask is that I have jaws 14.0.9.... with windows 7 and I
do not see a braille viewer option from the start menu after hitting
enter on jaws?



-----Original Message----- From: Marten Post Uiterweer
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 8:54 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?

Artur,

Look in the startmenu, all programs, Jaws if you have the option for
Braille viewer.
This will place an window on screen, where a sighted person can see,
what jaws is reading.

Regards, Marten


On Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:51:27 +0200 Artur Räpp <artur1248@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Hello,



Sometimes I use command

route JAWS to PC (JAWS key+numpad minus).

If everything goes well then JAWS moves mouse cursor there where JAWS
is located.



Artur



From: Richard B. McDonald [mailto:richardbmcdonald@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 4:48 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: How Can Sighted People Tell Where I Am At on a Screen in JAWS?



Hi!



From time to time, especially on the Internet, I will ask a sighted
person to look at something with me. They always say that although
they can of course hear what JAWS is reading, they cannot see where
on the screen this is. Sometimes, somehow perhaps related, JAWS
might even be reading something that is really not even visible on
the screen; like scrolling is not happening.



Is there some way or JAWS option to show exactly where on the screen
JAWS is? Ideally, this would be something readily visible so sighted
people could see where I am at on the screen. Additionally, ideally
the screen would scroll along with the application (like a webpage).



Thanks,

Richard










Re: signatures in pdf form

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Oh my goodness!

I had my college email me a pdf form yesterday, and I ran into the same exact issue as yourself. I was able to fill out everything, except the signature part.

So what was my solution? Lol, I just printed it out, signed it, then faxed it back to them.
However, I will be following this thread, as I would love to know what to do next time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 12:46 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: signatures in pdf form

I have a pdf form that needs to be filled in, including signatures. I am using acrobat reader dc and I am able to fillin name, address, city, state, zip, etc, but what about signatures? how can this be done?

I haven't got any idea, except to have my signature digitally scanned or photoed, cropped, and inserted, but have no idea as to successfully do this. help!


Re: MathML and PDF files

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

Hahaha. How was Adrians comment, nasty?  It was a suggestion.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2016 8:41 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 08:39 pm, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:

If I were recommending a document to visually impaired computer users, I’d make sure I first confirmed that JAWS read it appropriately.

 And if I were making nasty comments, I'd read through the history of the thread first.  But, different strokes for different folks.

Clue:  I didn't recommend anything, I simply reported back with what this entity handed me as their "accessible" version of the document.  Clearly it isn't.  That's not my fault.

Brian


Re: MathML and PDF files

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 08:39 pm, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:
If I were recommending a document to visually impaired computer users, I’d make sure I first confirmed that JAWS read it appropriately.

 And if I were making nasty comments, I'd read through the history of the thread first.  But, different strokes for different folks.

Clue:  I didn't recommend anything, I simply reported back with what this entity handed me as their "accessible" version of the document.  Clearly it isn't.  That's not my fault.

Brian


Re: MathML and PDF files

Adrian Spratt
 

If I were recommending a document to visually impaired computer users, I’d make sure I first confirmed that JAWS read it appropriately.

 

From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 11:34 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: MathML and PDF files

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 08:16 pm, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@...> wrote:

There are questions that are
not followed by multiple choice answers and even at least one set of
answers without a question, and those answers don't seem like they
would go with a question that was missing answers.

 This is a bit of a mystery to me since the layout of the document is a standard "two column" format with reading intended to go from top to bottom on the left column then the same for the right column.   The vast majority of answers are A, B, C, and D that immediately follow the question.

There is a "weird" layout for a question in the Graphs and Equations of Lines, which is badly laid out as far as I'm concerned whether you can see or not, and that I have no idea how you would begin to make it accessible unless each graph is described, because the A, B, C, and D, choices are actual full graphs.  The question is number two and starts with "Anita's department store determined that," and ends with, "relationship between p and s."  Graph answer A is directly below the question, which is in the right column near the bottom on PDF page 6.  Then, graph answers B, C, and D are on PDF page 7 and are the three items that make up the left column on that page.  Question 6 on PDF page 10 is laid out with the entire question posed at the bottom of the left column but it's A, B, C, & D answers are "free floating" at the top of the right column.  There aren't tons of these, but enough that I'd imagine it could be challenging for a screen reader to interpret what's what correctly.   Heaven only knows how the various mathematical equations and expressions are read.  I won't get around to playing with this thing in NVDA at all until tomorrow at earliest.

Brian


Re: MathML and PDF files

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 08:16 pm, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@...> wrote:
There are questions that are
not followed by multiple choice answers and even at least one set of
answers without a question, and those answers don't seem like they
would go with a question that was missing answers.

 This is a bit of a mystery to me since the layout of the document is a standard "two column" format with reading intended to go from top to bottom on the left column then the same for the right column.   The vast majority of answers are A, B, C, and D that immediately follow the question.

There is a "weird" layout for a question in the Graphs and Equations of Lines, which is badly laid out as far as I'm concerned whether you can see or not, and that I have no idea how you would begin to make it accessible unless each graph is described, because the A, B, C, and D, choices are actual full graphs.  The question is number two and starts with "Anita's department store determined that," and ends with, "relationship between p and s."  Graph answer A is directly below the question, which is in the right column near the bottom on PDF page 6.  Then, graph answers B, C, and D are on PDF page 7 and are the three items that make up the left column on that page.  Question 6 on PDF page 10 is laid out with the entire question posed at the bottom of the left column but it's A, B, C, & D answers are "free floating" at the top of the right column.  There aren't tons of these, but enough that I'd imagine it could be challenging for a screen reader to interpret what's what correctly.   Heaven only knows how the various mathematical equations and expressions are read.  I won't get around to playing with this thing in NVDA at all until tomorrow at earliest.

Brian