Hello everyone.

As the other thread has gone on for a while and people may miss the
important message sent by Curtis (At least, I think it was him; sorry
if it’s not, I deleted the message already) describing a workaround
for the problem of JAWS not being able to engage with the context menu
through standard means, I thought I would explain in another message,
as well as outlining my own ideas about this problem and what is actually happening.

First, while NVDA can interact as normal with the context menu, JAWS
cannot, and it doesn’t matter what JAWS version you are using, new or
old. The problem as I see it is that, normally, when an item is
“clicked” to activate the right-click or context menu, the user is
automatically taken outside the virtual buffer in order to activate a
menu choice. This could be with the arrow keys, or it could be with a
keystroke that activates your menu option of choice. Now, for
whatever reason, while pressing the context menu key does activate the
menu, JAWS stays in virtual mode, and therefore, your arrow keys and
letter keys
won’t interact with the menu at all, but instead will do what
you’d normally xpect in reading mode as if you hadn’t activated the menu at all.

To solve this, turn the virtaul cursor off with insert-z after you hit
the context menu key. Jaws will not immediately announce “context menu”
but you will be in it, and hitting down arrow will alert JAWS that
this is, in fact, what you want to interact with. You can also, of
course, press a letter to activate the menu option instead of the arrows.

For example, I’ve just gone to the webpage of one of my favourite
podcasts on podbay.fm. I find the episode I want, and go to the
download link. I press the context menu key, then insert-z, and then
the letter k to activate the save file dialogue box.

2022 does not expire until 2023 is realized which will be October of 2022.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
If 2022 was your last upgrade that your SMA entitled you to then to get
the lower $150 price, you should have bought another two years before
they released the 2022 version. That is what I meant by letting your
SMAs expire. Sorry for the confusion.
Gene...
On 7/2/2022 11:21 AM, William Vandervest wrote:

My sma is good for jfw 2022 so it hasn't expired yet


William Vandervest
timelord09@...
Win10 latest revision

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

William Vandervest

u


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:40
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

You probably let your SMAs expire, they do charge you for that.

Gene...


On 7/2/2022 10:34 AM, William Vandervest wrote:

I just checked my sma and a renewal would cost $210.00, big bummer


William Vandervest
timelord09@...
Win10 latest revision

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

William Vandervest

u

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

Gerald

I haven't seen any discounts offered this convention season for Jaws.
Generally, the most cost effective way to purchase a SMA is to renew for 2
years instead of 1 at the time of renewal.
As I'm set through the 2024 upgrade, it shows me no prices when looking at
the upgrade page.

Hello everyone.
As the other thread has gone on for a while and people may miss the important message sent by Curtis (At least, I think it was him; sorry if it’s not, I deleted the message already) describing a workaround for the problem of JAWS not being able to engage with the context menu through standard means, I thought I would explain in another message, as well as outlining my own ideas about this problem and what is actually happening.
First, while NVDA can interact as normal with the context menu, JAWS cannot, and it doesn’t matter what JAWS version you are using, new or old. The problem as I see it is that, normally, when an item is “clicked” to activate the right-click or context menu, the user is automatically taken outside the virtual buffer in order to activate a menu choice. This could be with the arrow keys, or it could be with a keystroke that activates your  menu option of choice. Now, for whatever reason, while pressing the context menu key does activate the menu, JAWS stays in virtual mode, and therefore, your arrow keys and letter keys  won’t interact   with the menu at all, but instead will do what you’d normally xpect in reading mode as if you hadn’t activated the menu at all.
To solve this, turn the virtaul cursor off with insert-z after you hit the context menu key. Jaws will not immediately announce “context menu” but you will be in it, and hitting down arrow will alert JAWS that this is, in fact, what you want to interact with. You can also, of course, press a letter to activate the menu option instead of the arrows.
For example, I’ve just gone to the webpage of one of my favourite podcasts on podbay.fm. I find the episode I want, and go to the download link. I press the context menu key, then insert-z, and then the letter k to activate the save file dialogue box.

My sma is good for jfw 2022 so it hasn't expired yet


William Vandervest
timelord09@...
Win10 latest revision

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

William Vandervest

u


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:40
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

You probably let your SMAs expire, they do charge you for that.

Gene...


On 7/2/2022 10:34 AM, William Vandervest wrote:

I just checked my sma and a renewal would cost $210.00, big bummer


William Vandervest
timelord09@...
Win10 latest revision

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

William Vandervest

u

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

Gerald

I haven't seen any discounts offered this convention season for Jaws.
Generally, the most cost effective way to purchase a SMA is to renew for 2
years instead of 1 at the time of renewal.
As I'm set through the 2024 upgrade, it shows me no prices when looking at
the upgrade page.

SMAs are cheaper, I only pay $60 per year because I always add to my SMAs during the convention discount period.

Gene...

On 7/2/2022 11:36 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:

It's a great reason to switch to the JAWS Home Annual License, available for
$95 per year.

Curtis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Vandervest
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2022 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

I just checked my sma and a renewal would cost $210.00, big bummer


William Vandervest
timelord09@...
Win10 latest revision

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

William Vandervest

u

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

Gerald

I haven't seen any discounts offered this convention season for Jaws.
Generally, the most cost effective way to purchase a SMA is to renew for 2
years instead of 1 at the time of renewal.
As I'm set through the 2024 upgrade, it shows me no prices when looking at
the upgrade page.

JM:

Thank you. This is very well written.

Cordially,

Curtis Chong

Hello everyone.

As the other thread has gone on for a while and people may miss the important message sent by Curtis (At least, I think it was him; sorry if it’s not, I deleted the message already) describing a workaround for the problem of JAWS not being able to engage with the context menu through standard means, I thought I would explain in another message, as well as outlining my own ideas about this problem and what is actually happening.

First, while NVDA can interact as normal with the context menu, JAWS cannot, and it doesn’t matter what JAWS version you are using, new or old. The problem as I see it is that, normally, when an item is “clicked” to activate the right-click or context menu, the user is automatically taken outside the virtual buffer in order to activate a menu choice. This could be with the arrow keys, or it could be with a keystroke that activates your  menu option of choice. Now, for whatever reason, while pressing the context menu key does activate the menu, JAWS stays in virtual mode, and therefore, your arrow keys and letter keys  won’t interact   with the menu at all, but instead will do what you’d normally xpect in reading mode as if you hadn’t activated the menu at all.

To solve this, turn the virtaul cursor off with insert-z after you hit the context menu key. Jaws will not immediately announce “context menu” but you will be in it, and hitting down arrow will alert JAWS that this is, in fact, what you want to interact with. You can also, of course, press a letter to activate the menu option instead of the arrows.

For example, I’ve just gone to the webpage of one of my favourite podcasts on podbay.fm. I find the episode I want, and go to the download link. I press the context menu key, then insert-z, and then the letter k to activate the save file dialogue box.

Now I'm confused, lol
I purchased this sma after jfw 2022 was released
William Vandervest
timelord09@...
Win10 latest revision
There are none so blind, as those who will not see.
William Vandervest
u
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 12:30
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
If 2022 was your last upgrade that your SMA entitled you to then to get
the lower $150 price, you should have bought another two years before
they released the 2022 version. That is what I meant by letting your
SMAs expire. Sorry for the confusion.
Gene...
On 7/2/2022 11:21 AM, William Vandervest wrote:

My sma is good for jfw 2022 so it hasn't expired yet


William Vandervest
timelord09@...
Win10 latest revision

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

William Vandervest

u


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:40
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

You probably let your SMAs expire, they do charge you for that.

Gene...


On 7/2/2022 10:34 AM, William Vandervest wrote:

I just checked my sma and a renewal would cost $210.00, big bummer


William Vandervest
timelord09@...
Win10 latest revision

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

William Vandervest

u

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

Gerald

I haven't seen any discounts offered this convention season for Jaws.
Generally, the most cost effective way to purchase a SMA is to renew for 2
years instead of 1 at the time of renewal.
As I'm set through the 2024 upgrade, it shows me no prices when looking at
the upgrade page.

Hello everyone.

As the other thread has gone on for a while and people may miss the important message sent by Curtis (At least, I think it was him; sorry if it’s not, I deleted the message already) describing a workaround for the problem of JAWS not being able to engage with the context menu through standard means, I thought I would explain in another message, as well as outlining my own ideas about this problem and what is actually happening.

First, while NVDA can interact as normal with the context menu, JAWS cannot, and it doesn’t matter what JAWS version you are using, new or old. The problem as I see it is that, normally, when an item is “clicked” to activate the right-click or context menu, the user is automatically taken outside the virtual buffer in order to activate a menu choice. This could be with the arrow keys, or it could be with a keystroke that activates your  menu option of choice. Now, for whatever reason, while pressing the context menu key does activate the menu, JAWS stays in virtual mode, and therefore, your arrow keys and letter keys  won’t interact   with the menu at all, but instead will do what you’d normally xpect in reading mode as if you hadn’t activated the menu at all.

To solve this, turn the virtaul cursor off with insert-z after you hit the context menu key. Jaws will not immediately announce “context menu” but you will be in it, and hitting down arrow will alert JAWS that this is, in fact, what you want to interact with. You can also, of course, press a letter to activate the menu option instead of the arrows.

For example, I’ve just gone to the webpage of one of my favourite podcasts on podbay.fm. I find the episode I want, and go to the download link. I press the context menu key, then insert-z, and then the letter k to activate the save file dialogue box.

My sma is good for jfw 2022 so it hasn't expired yet


William Vandervest
timelord09@...
Win10 latest revision

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

William Vandervest

u


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:40
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

You probably let your SMAs expire, they do charge you for that.

Gene...


On 7/2/2022 10:34 AM, William Vandervest wrote:

I just checked my sma and a renewal would cost $210.00, big bummer


William Vandervest
timelord09@...
Win10 latest revision

There are none so blind, as those who will not see.

William Vandervest

u

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License

Gerald

I haven't seen any discounts offered this convention season for Jaws.
Generally, the most cost effective way to purchase a SMA is to renew for 2
years instead of 1 at the time of renewal.
As I'm set through the 2024 upgrade, it shows me no prices when looking at
the upgrade page.

Firstly, thanks to those who answered my query about drag and drop.
A number of possible solutions, including one supplied by Mike and others found with Google, were tried but nothing worked.
Secondly,I am attempting to rearrange some accounts in Thunderbird and drag and drop seems to be the method used.
It appears that the easiest solution may be to get a pair of eyes to do it.
Cheers
Tom
On 2/07/2022 2:58 pm, Curtis Chong wrote:

The question is, why do need to do a drag and drop? Isn’t there an alternate procedure?


On Jul 1, 2022, at 8:02 PM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

I just tried drag and drop on my windows 10 system and it didn't work, in fact it made such a mess of things that I am going to have to restart just to clean it all up.

Go figure!
Gene...


On 7/1/2022 9:49 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Tom,
About the only place I drag and drop is on the Taskbar, but this is the best method I've learned of for Windows 10.  Below Win10's steps will be the keystroke for Win11, and you can always try the Win10 keystroke with Win11 in other areas than the Taskbar.
Win10:
  From: Sieghard Weitzel
With Jaws 2021 or 2022 I can drag and drop anything at will and in seconds, not sure why this doesn't work for you and I'm not saying drag and drop
works everywhere, but on the taskbar it works 100% of the time and it's
simply a matter of going to the icon you want to drag, pressing the,
Control + Jaws Key + NumPad Slash key combination, arrowing to where you want to
drop it and pressing the key combination again.
Sieghard
Win11:
From: Ben Moxey
Windows 11 has dedicated keystrokes built-in for moving taskbar icons. Simply hold Alt and Shift, and use your left and right arrows. Note that your screen
reader doesn’t announce that it’s moving them at this stage, but it works.
Ben
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Tom X via groups.io <mailto:ballistic622@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2022 5:22 PM
*Subject:* drag and drop instructions
Hi,
Using Jaws 22, how do I use the drag and drop command?
Is there anything to be aware of?
Thanks
Tom

It's a great reason to switch to the JAWS Home Annual License, available for
$95 per year.
Curtis
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of William
Vandervest
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2022 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
I just checked my sma and a renewal would cost $210.00, big bummer
William Vandervest
timelord09@...
Win10 latest revision
There are none so blind, as those who will not see.
William Vandervest
u
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 10:13
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Convention Discounts On JAWS Annual License
Gerald
I haven't seen any discounts offered this convention season for Jaws.
Generally, the most cost effective way to purchase a SMA is to renew for 2
years instead of 1 at the time of renewal.
As I'm set through the 2024 upgrade, it shows me no prices when looking at
the upgrade page.