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moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

K0LNY
 

That is the same model Microsoft is now using.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

Maybe so, but I am already looking at a bit of a learning curve as I
adapt to Android and unlearn what iOS has taught me. But I'll get there
and from my memories, I'll ultimately be happier for it. I have never
liked Apple's walled garden approach, and I don't think it's about
security, they want to force you to have to use iTunes to transfer data
to and from your phone because maybe you'll buy your music from it. You
should read "After Steve" by Tripp Mickle.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 1:47 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi Gene,
I think Apple is trying to keep it safe from hacking, and that is why it
is
so locked down.
I do like the way Android is easy to access, and root and all that.
However using both, I think the Android gestures are harder to use than
the
IOS platform.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

What I don't understand is, why can't Apple be like Android and design
their phone to look like an external drive so you don't need any custom
software to put content on it or to retrieve your data off it.

As for me, I have been hearing that as long as I don't need or want to
use Braille on my phone, Android is now just as accessible as iOS, so I
am now looking at Android phones and will be dumping Apple. Before I
lost my vision, I preferred Android anyway, I only switched to iOS
because at the time I lost my vision iOS was far more accessible than
Android.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 1:33 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
All I've ever found to be accessible to a PC is pictures and videos.
That would be great if audio files could be copied out like pictures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto
the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us
to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out,
but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would
be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let
the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if
they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our
computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder
to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but
so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I
cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It
used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more
even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in
the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to
myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had
I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


































moderated Re: questions about buying a new laptop

Mike Pietruk
 

Andy and Pat make a great suggestion; I've done likewise as I've never
been comfortable trying to type on a laptop's keyboard.
Also, when using an external KB, you gain the advantage of having the
regular kb layout available to you as a bonus.


moderated Re: File renamers

Milton Ota
 

I saw this sometime last week and the program is call "copy file name and the version number was something like 3.5

Do a search for it, it was free and give you a lot of features that I'm sure you will like.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 3:06 PM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: File renamers

Hi everyone!

I think I saw someone else ask this but didn't see an answer. Does anyone know of an easy to use and accessible file renaming utility?
There was one a while back that I looked at that I think was called "File Renamer" but its main window or dialog had a crap load of fields, some of which weren't very well labeled that tried to throw the kitchen sink at you. That was way to much!

Thanks!
Gene...


moderated Re: questions about buying a new laptop

Andy
 

i agree!  I have had several laptops over the years, and never particularly liked the keyboards, so dealt with the issue by using a USB keyboard. If the laptop has bluetooth, you could use a bluetooth keyboard, thus freeing up a USB port.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Byrne
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: questions about buying a new laptop

Madison,
Why not use an USB keyboard with your computer.  That would take the wear and tear off the onboard keyboard.  I always use such a setup with y laptop.Pat ByrneAt 01:43 PM 7/7/2022, you wrote:

Hi all,

Given the fact that this will be the second time in just over two years that I’ve had keys on this laptop break I’m considering purchasing another laptop to have as a back-up in case I have any more keys break as I can’t keep replacing the keyboard even though the laptop works just fine. Also I know that this one will eventually bite the dust and when that eventually does happen I’d hate to be stuck without a computer for awhile as we’d have to order one as all of the ones that are sold around here are all high-end business laptops which given what I use a laptop for (email, web browsing and basic word processing) is not what I need/want to buy. So my question is this, if I do get a new laptop while this one is still working grate is there any way that I can still use this one while the new one is being set up; I know programs can be installed but is there any way to copy Jaws settings or would Jaws have to be completely uninstalled from this current computer? If settings can be copied; I have the Home licance on this computer (I changed licence types) can I have more then one copy of a home licence under the same licence or would I have to buy a second licence? Sorry if I’m not making sense but this would be my first time doing this; my old laptop was so old that I think everything was just installed on this one and I had to change any settings myself. In case anyone is wondering any new computer  would have the latest version of Jaws installed on it. I wouldn’t do this stuff myself; I’d have it done at our local computer store but I still need to know what exactly I’d need to ask them to do as if this computer has to be completely wiped then I wouldn’t get a new one as this one works perfectly fine and like I said this new one would be the backup if I have issues with my current one and would be my new one when this one bites the dust. Like I said I know absolutely nothing about this stuff so I really hope that someone can help me!

Madison

 

 


moderated File renamers

Gene Warner
 

Hi everyone!

I think I saw someone else ask this but didn't see an answer. Does anyone know of an easy to use and accessible file renaming utility? There was one a while back that I looked at that I think was called "File Renamer" but its main window or dialog had a crap load of fields, some of which weren't very well labeled that tried to throw the kitchen sink at you. That was way to much!

Thanks!
Gene...


moderated Re: questions about buying a new laptop

Pat Byrne
 

Madison,
Why not use an USB keyboard with your computer.  That would take the wear and tear off the onboard keyboard.  I always use such a setup with y laptop.Pat ByrneAt 01:43 PM 7/7/2022, you wrote:

Hi all,

Given the fact that this will be the second time in just over two years that I’ve had keys on this laptop break I’m considering purchasing another laptop to have as a back-up in case I have any more keys break as I can’t keep replacing the keyboard even though the laptop works just fine. Also I know that this one will eventually bite the dust and when that eventually does happen I’d hate to be stuck without a computer for awhile as we’d have to order one as all of the ones that are sold around here are all high-end business laptops which given what I use a laptop for (email, web browsing and basic word processing) is not what I need/want to buy. So my question is this, if I do get a new laptop while this one is still working grate is there any way that I can still use this one while the new one is being set up; I know programs can be installed but is there any way to copy Jaws settings or would Jaws have to be completely uninstalled from this current computer? If settings can be copied; I have the Home licance on this computer (I changed licence types) can I have more then one copy of a home licence under the same licence or would I have to buy a second licence? Sorry if I’m not making sense but this would be my first time doing this; my old laptop was so old that I think everything was just installed on this one and I had to change any settings myself. In case anyone is wondering any new computer  would have the latest version of Jaws installed on it. I wouldn’t do this stuff myself; I’d have it done at our local computer store but I still need to know what exactly I’d need to ask them to do as if this computer has to be completely wiped then I wouldn’t get a new one as this one works perfectly fine and like I said this new one would be the backup if I have issues with my current one and would be my new one when this one bites the dust. Like I said I know absolutely nothing about this stuff so I really hope that someone can help me!

Madison

 

 


moderated questions about buying a new laptop

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,

Given the fact that this will be the second time in just over two years that I’ve had keys on this laptop break I’m considering purchasing another laptop to have as a back-up in case I have any more keys break as I can’t keep replacing the keyboard even though the laptop works just fine. Also I know that this one will eventually bite the dust and when that eventually does happen I’d hate to be stuck without a computer for awhile as we’d have to order one as all of the ones that are sold around here are all high-end business laptops which given what I use a laptop for (email, web browsing and basic word processing) is not what I need/want to buy. So my question is this, if I do get a new laptop while this one is still working grate is there any way that I can still use this one while the new one is being set up; I know programs can be installed but is there any way to copy Jaws settings or would Jaws have to be completely uninstalled from this current computer? If settings can be copied; I have the Home licance on this computer (I changed licence types) can I have more then one copy of a home licence under the same licence or would I have to buy a second licence? Sorry if I’m not making sense but this would be my first time doing this; my old laptop was so old that I think everything was just installed on this one and I had to change any settings myself. In case anyone is wondering any new computer  would have the latest version of Jaws installed on it. I wouldn’t do this stuff myself; I’d have it done at our local computer store but I still need to know what exactly I’d need to ask them to do as if this computer has to be completely wiped then I wouldn’t get a new one as this one works perfectly fine and like I said this new one would be the backup if I have issues with my current one and would be my new one when this one bites the dust. Like I said I know absolutely nothing about this stuff so I really hope that someone can help me!

Madison

 

 


moderated Re: Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book

Gene Warner
 

Hi Glenn!

The problem is that I don't see any such controls for scanner resolution or color mode or anything else in either JAWS or Open Book. That is why I am thinking that a scanner designed to scan documents instead of photos or for general purpose would work better. My scanner allows me to set up scanning profiles with all of settings preset and can even define one profile as the default profile, but no matter how I set it, I get the same results, which makes me think that both programs bypass the scanner's profiles.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 12:46 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi Gene,
I don't know if one made for documents would give you better results, as it
is more a factor of the resolution, which you can change in the scanner's
software.
I've had good luck with my color scanners, one is a cannon scanner and the
other is a all-in one printer scanner.
The all in one I have now wirelessly connects to my router and is in the
network, but is a pain if I have a lot to scan, going back and forth from
one room to another.
The one I had before wasn't meant for a network, but I connected it to my
router and found it in the network and made it work.
I'm not even sure if they make any any more that don't do color.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: "JAWS support list" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 11:37 AM
Subject: Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book
Hi everyone!
I currently have a color photo scanner, I believe that I could get
better OCR results if I switched to a scanner designed primarily for
scanning documents. Can anyone recommend one? I wouldn't mind a document
feeder, but it doesn't need to be one that can hold a ton of pages, if
it can hold and feed 10 pages, that would be plenty for my needs.
Thanks!
Gene...


moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Gene Warner
 

Hi Glenn!

You'd have the exact same problem if the Aira or Be My Eyes apps did the recording.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:55 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi Gene,
But the problem with that is that recordings aren't accessible via plugging
in the iPhone, like videos and pictures.
I don't know if another app's video can be accessed in the dism folder or
not, that is the hundred thousand dollar question.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi Glenn!
The problem I see with that is that every app you'd want to record would
have to add that capability. What might be better is a separate app that
can do the recording for you, then you just tell the person on the other
end that you are recording the session for later reference. Then that
one app could be used for any app you want to record.
But still, what you suggest is a good idea, they already do that for
sending a message to the agent before the connection is made. I use that
feature to let the agent know that the session will be a Team Viewer
session.
When you enable the message feature, you get two buttons, 'Call Aira'
and 'Call Aira with message'.
Gene...
On 7/7/2022 1:45 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I had actually suggested that they make two buttons, one to contact a
volunteer with a recording, and one to call a volunteer without a
recording.
And a message could pop up on the volunteer's screen that the call is
recorded for later reference by the caller.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Curtis!

I don't disagree with you, I've just never had the need to record an
Aira or Be My Eyes session or anything else while away from home.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it
onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us
to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this
out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer
would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I
let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if
they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our
computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder
to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC,
but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I
cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It
used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more
even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned
in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to
myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had
I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


































moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Gene Warner
 

Hi Glenn!

Maybe so, but I am already looking at a bit of a learning curve as I adapt to Android and unlearn what iOS has taught me. But I'll get there and from my memories, I'll ultimately be happier for it. I have never liked Apple's walled garden approach, and I don't think it's about security, they want to force you to have to use iTunes to transfer data to and from your phone because maybe you'll buy your music from it. You should read "After Steve" by Tripp Mickle.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:47 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi Gene,
I think Apple is trying to keep it safe from hacking, and that is why it is
so locked down.
I do like the way Android is easy to access, and root and all that.
However using both, I think the Android gestures are harder to use than the
IOS platform.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi Glenn!
What I don't understand is, why can't Apple be like Android and design
their phone to look like an external drive so you don't need any custom
software to put content on it or to retrieve your data off it.
As for me, I have been hearing that as long as I don't need or want to
use Braille on my phone, Android is now just as accessible as iOS, so I
am now looking at Android phones and will be dumping Apple. Before I
lost my vision, I preferred Android anyway, I only switched to iOS
because at the time I lost my vision iOS was far more accessible than
Android.
Gene...
On 7/7/2022 1:33 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
All I've ever found to be accessible to a PC is pictures and videos.
That would be great if audio files could be copied out like pictures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto
the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out,
but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would
be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let
the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but
so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in
the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


























moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Bill White
 

Hi, Gene. If it's up to the person doing the recording to let the other party know they are being recorded, not everyone would let the other party know they are being recorded.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 10:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi Glenn!

The problem I see with that is that every app you'd want to record would
have to add that capability. What might be better is a separate app that
can do the recording for you, then you just tell the person on the other
end that you are recording the session for later reference. Then that
one app could be used for any app you want to record.

But still, what you suggest is a good idea, they already do that for
sending a message to the agent before the connection is made. I use that
feature to let the agent know that the session will be a Team Viewer
session.

When you enable the message feature, you get two buttons, 'Call Aira'
and 'Call Aira with message'.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 1:45 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I had actually suggested that they make two buttons, one to contact a
volunteer with a recording, and one to call a volunteer without a recording.
And a message could pop up on the volunteer's screen that the call is
recorded for later reference by the caller.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Curtis!

I don't disagree with you, I've just never had the need to record an
Aira or Be My Eyes session or anything else while away from home.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it
onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this
out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer
would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I
let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC,
but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned
in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


































moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

K0LNY
 

Hi Gene,
But the problem with that is that recordings aren't accessible via plugging
in the iPhone, like videos and pictures.
I don't know if another app's video can be accessed in the dism folder or
not, that is the hundred thousand dollar question.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

The problem I see with that is that every app you'd want to record would
have to add that capability. What might be better is a separate app that
can do the recording for you, then you just tell the person on the other
end that you are recording the session for later reference. Then that
one app could be used for any app you want to record.

But still, what you suggest is a good idea, they already do that for
sending a message to the agent before the connection is made. I use that
feature to let the agent know that the session will be a Team Viewer
session.

When you enable the message feature, you get two buttons, 'Call Aira'
and 'Call Aira with message'.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 1:45 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I had actually suggested that they make two buttons, one to contact a
volunteer with a recording, and one to call a volunteer without a
recording.
And a message could pop up on the volunteer's screen that the call is
recorded for later reference by the caller.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Curtis!

I don't disagree with you, I've just never had the need to record an
Aira or Be My Eyes session or anything else while away from home.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it
onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us
to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this
out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer
would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I
let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if
they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our
computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder
to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC,
but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I
cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It
used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more
even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned
in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to
myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had
I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


































moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Gene Warner
 

Hi Glenn!

The problem I see with that is that every app you'd want to record would have to add that capability. What might be better is a separate app that can do the recording for you, then you just tell the person on the other end that you are recording the session for later reference. Then that one app could be used for any app you want to record.

But still, what you suggest is a good idea, they already do that for sending a message to the agent before the connection is made. I use that feature to let the agent know that the session will be a Team Viewer session.

When you enable the message feature, you get two buttons, 'Call Aira' and 'Call Aira with message'.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:45 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I had actually suggested that they make two buttons, one to contact a
volunteer with a recording, and one to call a volunteer without a recording.
And a message could pop up on the volunteer's screen that the call is
recorded for later reference by the caller.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi Curtis!
I don't disagree with you, I've just never had the need to record an
Aira or Be My Eyes session or anything else while away from home.
Gene...
On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it
onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this
out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer
would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I
let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC,
but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned
in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


























moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

K0LNY
 

Hi Gene,
I think Apple is trying to keep it safe from hacking, and that is why it is
so locked down.
I do like the way Android is easy to access, and root and all that.
However using both, I think the Android gestures are harder to use than the
IOS platform.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

What I don't understand is, why can't Apple be like Android and design
their phone to look like an external drive so you don't need any custom
software to put content on it or to retrieve your data off it.

As for me, I have been hearing that as long as I don't need or want to
use Braille on my phone, Android is now just as accessible as iOS, so I
am now looking at Android phones and will be dumping Apple. Before I
lost my vision, I preferred Android anyway, I only switched to iOS
because at the time I lost my vision iOS was far more accessible than
Android.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 1:33 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
All I've ever found to be accessible to a PC is pictures and videos.
That would be great if audio files could be copied out like pictures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto
the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out,
but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would
be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let
the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but
so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in
the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


























moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

K0LNY
 

I had actually suggested that they make two buttons, one to contact a
volunteer with a recording, and one to call a volunteer without a recording.
And a message could pop up on the volunteer's screen that the call is
recorded for later reference by the caller.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Curtis!

I don't disagree with you, I've just never had the need to record an
Aira or Be My Eyes session or anything else while away from home.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it
onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this
out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer
would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I
let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC,
but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned
in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


























moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Gene Warner
 

Hi Glenn!

What I don't understand is, why can't Apple be like Android and design their phone to look like an external drive so you don't need any custom software to put content on it or to retrieve your data off it.

As for me, I have been hearing that as long as I don't need or want to use Braille on my phone, Android is now just as accessible as iOS, so I am now looking at Android phones and will be dumping Apple. Before I lost my vision, I preferred Android anyway, I only switched to iOS because at the time I lost my vision iOS was far more accessible than Android.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:33 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
All I've ever found to be accessible to a PC is pictures and videos.
That would be great if audio files could be copied out like pictures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.
On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto
the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out,
but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would
be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let
the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but
so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in
the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


























moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Gene Warner
 

Hi Curtis!

I don't disagree with you, I've just never had the need to record an Aira or Be My Eyes session or anything else while away from home.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the iPhone microphone or external.
On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos  on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


























moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

K0LNY
 

All I've ever found to be accessible to a PC is pictures and videos.
That would be great if audio files could be copied out like pictures.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto
the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out,
but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would
be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let
the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but
so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in
the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

























--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...


moderated Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Curtis Delzer
 

I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...
























--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...


moderated Re: Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book

Don H
 

I have a Epson Perfection V39 scanner that is powered through the USB connection. Does a great job for all scanning needs. Don't know if this model is still available but sure one similar.