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JM Casey
Well, the actual editor inside doesn't work as well as I'd like for screen-readers as far as I can see so far. I think it'd be possible to scan stuff and then convert to your file format of choice and proofread from there. Like I said, I have an old scanner here but it's not set up to work with my Windows 10 computer and so I mostly just use it to OCR digitally archived stuff, for which it works great. It was sort of a snap decision to finally get the thing but I was tired of not having a workable solution to my oCR problem since I can no longer use Adobe Acrobat Pro, so I just decided to go for it.
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If you set it up this way it will add an item to yoru contexxt menu shell to oCR any pdf file, and will do a nice job of it. There are all sorts of formatting and language options, too. So while I think ther'es room for improvement, I still think it was worth getting the programme.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: July 5, 2022 04:11 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR Hi Casey! I've often thought about getting ABBY myself, but always hesitated because I didn't know how accessible it would be. How do you find it for accessibility? Thanks! Gene... On 7/5/2022 3:47 PM, JM Casey wrote: I bought Abbyy; seemed worth it to me as I have to deal with a lot of obscure texts for my podcast that haven't yet been properly digitised. Don't have a workign scanner at the moment but can render any pdf including ones saved from images to be quite readable.
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Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR
K0LNY
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Speaking of OCR,
I currently don't have OB installed on this
computer, and I have a PDF which is a damned PDF manual, don't you just love
those things?
Anyway, I keep trying to do Jaws Convenient OCR on
it, and it starts, and fades away, and never gives me a window with the
results.
Can someone OCR it for me?
I will send it as an attachment to whomever can do
this.
Thanks.
Glenn
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From: Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2022 2:16 PM
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OCR Hi Gene,
Here are steps on using Jaws Eloquence for
Openbook:
These are steps on how you can turn sleep mode
off or make any other changes in the Settings Center for any program installed
on your computer without
the particular / target program running. Below are steps using Openbook & turning off sleep mode as an example. When you shift + tab into the application list & find the application you want, you need to tab 1 time into the Settings Center for that application. Pressing enter on the application closes the Settings Center. So, here is how I accessed the Openbook Settings Center: 1. While in Outlook Express I pressed Insert key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard to open the Outlook Express Settings Center. 2. I invoked the keystroke, shift + tab, to get into the application list. 3. I pressed the letter O, until I had Openbook highlighted. 4. I tabbed 1 time into the Openbook Settings Center. 5. I Typed, sleep, into the search edit field & waited a few seconds for the list to populate & arrowed down to Sleep Mode ..... miscellaneous, & pressed enter. 6. Now, right here the spacebar needs to be pressed to toggle the options until Jaws reports, sleep mode Disable. 7. Tab to apply, press the spacebar, tab to okay, press the spacebar to save your changes & close. 8. Now start, Openbook, & press, Control + F5 to temporarily ttoggle speech off in Openbook. The, Control + F5, keystroke is a toggle, so you can invoke this keystroke to turn speech back on. With speech off Jaws will now be your screenreading program. If you want to make your change permanent, you need to go into Openbook's settings with the keystroke, Alt + G, arrow up / down to, Save the Settings, press enter, tab to the, Okay button, press enter, & press enter on the, Yes, option of the dialogue that comes up. If you don't save the settings, your prior Openbook's default settings will be used the next time you start Openbook, but Jaws will also be enabled. So, you need to put Jaws back into Sleep Mode by following steps 1 thru 7 from above, but the following option in step #6, needs to be changed to, Sleep Mode Enabled & Unload the Synthesizer. Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell! ----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2022 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient
OCR of its own TTS voice, it's annoying to have to adjust two voices when it could all be done with JAWS. Gene... On 7/5/2022 2:53 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote: > I have found that OB does a better job than the convenient OCR. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...> > To: <main@jfw.groups.io> > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2022 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR > > > I don't know as I usually don't have time or inclination to fool around > with it. I usually just use Open Book for all my OCR work, it uses the > Abby Fine Reader engine and of the three engines, it consistently gets > the best results. > > Gene... > > > On 7/5/2022 2:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote: >> Curious, >> I wonder if simply the act of switching straightens out the OCR process. >> So if someone has poor results, you could try switching to Microsoft's >> engine, but don't use it, and switch back to FS's engine, and see if it >> works better. >> Or scan with Microsoft's, and then go back to the FS engine and see if it >> starts working right on the same file. >> >> Glenn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...> >> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2022 1:15 PM >> Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR >> >> >> Maybe so, but I've gotten pure garbage from the JAWS default engine but >> got decent results from the same document from the Microsoft engine. >> >> And then again I've also gotten garbage from Microsoft's engine and got >> good results from the default engine. >> >> So I prefer to think that it depends on what you are scanning. >> >> Gene... >> >> >> On 7/5/2022 1:56 PM, Chris Hill wrote: >>> Jaws is using omnipage, likely a lot better than anything MS includes >>> for free. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/5/2022 12:07, Loy wrote: >>>> There is an option in JAWS to use Microsoft's default OCR engine with >>>> JAWS convenient OCR. Is it a better OCR engine than the one that >>>> comes with JAWS? >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >
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Gene Warner
Hi Mike!
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I just tried searching to see if there was a keyboard shortcut for switching between the two OCR engines and there didn't appear to be any. If there is a script file for this, it might be possible to create one using the keyboard manager. For now I guess the only way to know is to go into the settings center and look, then change it if you want to. Gene...
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Gene Warner
Hi Casey!
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I've often thought about getting ABBY myself, but always hesitated because I didn't know how accessible it would be. How do you find it for accessibility? Thanks! Gene...
On 7/5/2022 3:47 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I bought Abbyy; seemed worth it to me as I have to deal with a lot of obscure texts for my podcast that haven't yet been properly digitised. Don't have a workign scanner at the moment but can render any pdf including ones saved from images to be quite readable.
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hank's writing style makes tedious reading for people who don't have time to analyze excessively wordy sentences or clauses!
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On 7/5/2022 2:10 PM, Hank W wrote:
Good afternoon,
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Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR
JM Casey
I bought Abbyy; seemed worth it to me as I have to deal with a lot of obscure texts for my podcast that haven't yet been properly digitised. Don't have a workign scanner at the moment but can render any pdf including ones saved from images to be quite readable.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: July 5, 2022 03:32 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR I wish they'd just use the ABBY Fine Reader engine for JAWS as well as Open Book. Gene... On 7/5/2022 3:28 PM, Bill White wrote: Hi, Chris. The fact that Vispero gives us a choice between omnipage
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mike mcglashon
Hi guys:
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I have been following this thread, and, My question is, How does one change ocr's on the fly? Or can we? How do we know which one we are using at the time of ocr on files? Please advise as you like. Mike M. Mike mcglashon Email: Michael.mcglashon@... Ph: 618 783 9331
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 2:15 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR Maybe so, but I've gotten pure garbage from the JAWS default engine but got decent results from the same document from the Microsoft engine. And then again I've also gotten garbage from Microsoft's engine and got good results from the default engine. So I prefer to think that it depends on what you are scanning. Gene... On 7/5/2022 1:56 PM, Chris Hill wrote: Jaws is using omnipage, likely a lot better than anything MS includes
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Gene Warner
I guess that it stops loading its own copy of Eloquence and ulets your screen reader handle it. It works, I just finished making the changes to both programs.
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Gene...
On 7/5/2022 3:36 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
What happens in OB if you turn off speech?
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Gene Warner
Hi Bill!
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I realize that, they are paying Nuance for Omni Page, just quit paying Nuance and start paying ABBY for Fine Reader. Gene...
On 7/5/2022 3:34 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. They may not be licenced to use ABBY Fine Reader for both, and may need to pay to have both licences.
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K0LNY
What happens in OB if you turn off speech?
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From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2022 1:58 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR The one thing I'd like to see FS do is to allow OB to use JAWS instead of its own TTS voice, it's annoying to have to adjust two voices when it could all be done with JAWS. Gene... On 7/5/2022 2:53 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote: I have found that OB does a better job than the convenient OCR.
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Bill White
Hi, Gene. They may not be licenced to use ABBY Fine Reader for both, and may need to pay to have both licences.
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Bill White billwhite92701@...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 12:32 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR I wish they'd just use the ABBY Fine Reader engine for JAWS as well as Open Book. Gene... On 7/5/2022 3:28 PM, Bill White wrote: Hi, Chris. The fact that Vispero gives us a choice between omnipage and
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Gene Warner
I wish they'd just use the ABBY Fine Reader engine for JAWS as well as Open Book.
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Gene...
On 7/5/2022 3:28 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Chris. The fact that Vispero gives us a choice between omnipage and the Microsoft OCR engine shows that at least at times, the Microsoft OCR engine may give better results. If this were not the case, Vispero would have no reason to include both OCR engines.
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Gene Warner
Thank you! I didn't know you could turn off Open Book's TTS voice! (Runs off to play in the settings center)
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On 7/5/2022 3:16 PM, Mike B. wrote:
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Bill White
Hi, Chris. The fact that Vispero gives us a choice between omnipage and the Microsoft OCR engine shows that at least at times, the Microsoft OCR engine may give better results. If this were not the case, Vispero would have no reason to include both OCR engines.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 10:57 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR
Jaws is using omnipage, likely a lot better than anything MS includes for free. On 7/5/2022 12:07, Loy wrote:
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Mike B.
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Hi Gene,
Here are steps on using Jaws Eloquence for
Openbook:
These are steps on how you can turn sleep mode
off or make any other changes in the Settings Center for any program installed
on your computer without
the particular / target program running. Below are steps using Openbook & turning off sleep mode as an example. When you shift + tab into the application list & find the application you want, you need to tab 1 time into the Settings Center for that application. Pressing enter on the application closes the Settings Center. So, here is how I accessed the Openbook Settings Center: 1. While in Outlook Express I pressed Insert key + 6, on the number row above the main keyboard to open the Outlook Express Settings Center. 2. I invoked the keystroke, shift + tab, to get into the application list. 3. I pressed the letter O, until I had Openbook highlighted. 4. I tabbed 1 time into the Openbook Settings Center. 5. I Typed, sleep, into the search edit field & waited a few seconds for the list to populate & arrowed down to Sleep Mode ..... miscellaneous, & pressed enter. 6. Now, right here the spacebar needs to be pressed to toggle the options until Jaws reports, sleep mode Disable. 7. Tab to apply, press the spacebar, tab to okay, press the spacebar to save your changes & close. 8. Now start, Openbook, & press, Control + F5 to temporarily ttoggle speech off in Openbook. The, Control + F5, keystroke is a toggle, so you can invoke this keystroke to turn speech back on. With speech off Jaws will now be your screenreading program. If you want to make your change permanent, you need to go into Openbook's settings with the keystroke, Alt + G, arrow up / down to, Save the Settings, press enter, tab to the, Okay button, press enter, & press enter on the, Yes, option of the dialogue that comes up. If you don't save the settings, your prior Openbook's default settings will be used the next time you start Openbook, but Jaws will also be enabled. So, you need to put Jaws back into Sleep Mode by following steps 1 thru 7 from above, but the following option in step #6, needs to be changed to, Sleep Mode Enabled & Unload the Synthesizer. Stay safe and take care. Mike. PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2022 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient
OCR of its own TTS voice, it's annoying to have to adjust two voices when it could all be done with JAWS. Gene... On 7/5/2022 2:53 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote: > I have found that OB does a better job than the convenient OCR. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...> > To: <main@jfw.groups.io> > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2022 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR > > > I don't know as I usually don't have time or inclination to fool around > with it. I usually just use Open Book for all my OCR work, it uses the > Abby Fine Reader engine and of the three engines, it consistently gets > the best results. > > Gene... > > > On 7/5/2022 2:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote: >> Curious, >> I wonder if simply the act of switching straightens out the OCR process. >> So if someone has poor results, you could try switching to Microsoft's >> engine, but don't use it, and switch back to FS's engine, and see if it >> works better. >> Or scan with Microsoft's, and then go back to the FS engine and see if it >> starts working right on the same file. >> >> Glenn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...> >> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2022 1:15 PM >> Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR >> >> >> Maybe so, but I've gotten pure garbage from the JAWS default engine but >> got decent results from the same document from the Microsoft engine. >> >> And then again I've also gotten garbage from Microsoft's engine and got >> good results from the default engine. >> >> So I prefer to think that it depends on what you are scanning. >> >> Gene... >> >> >> On 7/5/2022 1:56 PM, Chris Hill wrote: >>> Jaws is using omnipage, likely a lot better than anything MS includes >>> for free. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/5/2022 12:07, Loy wrote: >>>> There is an option in JAWS to use Microsoft's default OCR engine with >>>> JAWS convenient OCR. Is it a better OCR engine than the one that >>>> comes with JAWS? >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: I now have a solution to my jaws problem that I was having with no longer getting that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022
Hank W
Good afternoon,
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Firstly I want to say a big, big thanks very much 😊 for all the very helpful replies I have received to my very strange jaws problem I have been having for about a week or so with no longer getting that automatic notification of updates pop up dialogue window when my jaws first starts up. I found out earlier today after speaking to freedom scientific tech support, that the solution to fix my problem I am having with not getting that automatic notification of updates pop up dialogue box when my jaws first starts up asking me if I yes or no want to update my jaws, is to update my jaws to the latest June 22 release of jaws 2022. Freedom tech support said the reason I, since about a week or so ago since around the time that the June 22 release of jaws 2022 came available, am no longer getting this auto notification of updates pop up dialogue box when my jaws first starts up is because I am still using a too far back older release of jaws 2022 before the latest June 22 release of jaws 2022, (I am currently still using the October 2021 release of jaws 2022). With kindest regards, Hank
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From: Kenny Peyattt jr. Sent: Friday, July 1, 2022 11:01 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022 Do have to tell it yes. Otherwise it will not tell you if you are up to date or not. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank W Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 7:21 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022 Hello back, in the jaws help menu when I activate the check for jaws updates, I only get the question from the freedom scientific app asking me if I want to let this app make changes to my computer and I can only select yes or no. Since I am not sure at this time what this freedom scientific app will exactly do to my laptop if I select yes, I for now instead select no. In the jaws help menu, when you activate this app check for updates, I thought a jaws user gets a list of all the current updates of jaws that are available, giving the jaws user the option to select from this list the particular jaws update they want to download? Kindest regards, Hank -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Chong Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2022 12:01 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022 Hank: Also, if you get into JAWS Help, what happens if you activate the Check for Updates choice in the Help menu? Best regards, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank W Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 11:51 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to update to a newer release of jaws 2022 Hello back, Thanks for all the helpful replies. But as I was mentioning earlier, even though I am still using the October or November 2021 release of jaws 2022, I am no longer getting that automatic pop up window when my jaws first starts up asking me if I want to yes or no update my jaws to a newer release of jaws 2022? I was until about 3 or 4 days ago getting this automatic pop up window asking me if I yes or no wanted to update my jaws every time when my jaws first started up, but now I am not. This has got me stumped because as I was saying, I am still using the last October or November 2021 release of jaws 2022. I have already checked in jaws under basics, and the automatic notification of jaws updates is yes checked. I am really hoping that maybe someone has an idea on how I can get back this automatic pop up window asking me if I want to yes or no update my jaws to a newer release of jaws 2022 when my jaws first starts up? Would be very, very appreciative for any help on this matter. Much, much thanks in advance for any possible help on this. With kindest regards, Hank -----Original Message----- From: Curtis Chong Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2022 12:27 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up Hello: " Wait, didn't I hear on the FSCast that they had changed that behavior so that you were notified of newer versions even if that newer version is a major version upgrade and not just a point version update?" If you hold the JAWS Home Annual License, what you say is accurate. But if you are on the traditional licensing scheme, you will not automatically be notified when a major update comes out—usually around the end of October. Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 8:36 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: I no longer get that pop up update jaws window when my jaws first starts up Wait, didn't I hear on the FSCast that they had changed that behavior so that you were notified of newer versions even if that newer version is a major version upgrade and not just a point version update? Gene... On 6/28/2022 10:04 PM, Loy wrote: You don't get this notice to update to the next version, only updates
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Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR
Joseph Machise
I find ABBY is good with Kurzweil maybe other readers use it also.
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From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2022 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR The one thing I'd like to see FS do is to allow OB to use JAWS instead of its own TTS voice, it's annoying to have to adjust two voices when it could all be done with JAWS. Gene... On 7/5/2022 2:53 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote: I have found that OB does a better job than the convenient OCR.
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Gene Warner
The one thing I'd like to see FS do is to allow OB to use JAWS instead of its own TTS voice, it's annoying to have to adjust two voices when it could all be done with JAWS.
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On 7/5/2022 2:53 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I have found that OB does a better job than the convenient OCR.
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K0LNY
I have found that OB does a better job than the convenient OCR.
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From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2022 1:50 PM Subject: Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR I don't know as I usually don't have time or inclination to fool around with it. I usually just use Open Book for all my OCR work, it uses the Abby Fine Reader engine and of the three engines, it consistently gets the best results. Gene... On 7/5/2022 2:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote: Curious,
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Re: Microsoft default OCR engine with JAWS convenient OCR
Gene Warner
I don't know as I usually don't have time or inclination to fool around with it. I usually just use Open Book for all my OCR work, it uses the Abby Fine Reader engine and of the three engines, it consistently gets the best results.
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Gene...
On 7/5/2022 2:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Curious,
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