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Moderated Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Bill White
 

Hi, Annabelle. This doesn't sound exactly like any other Windows problem I've run into. Have you used another screen reader such as Narrator or NVDA to see if the problem occurs with those screen readers? It could be a JAWS problem that could be fixed by using the JAWS installer for your current version of JAWS to do a JAWS repair.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 4:24 PM
To: JAWS For Windows Mailing List
Subject: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

Hi, it's Annabelle.

I'm having trouble accessing the classic "Taskbar And Start Menu" settings in Windows 10. Every time I press enter on "Taskbar and Start Menu", I'm taken to the new version made in "Settings". Unfortunately that version is not easy to access with screenreaders like JAWS. I wish there was a way that I could access classic parameters made for earlier versions of Windows, as they are more suitable for the sight challenged. Specifically I'm trying to turn off the parameter to "Click on submenus when I pause on them", as it drives me mad! If someone could please make a registry key for me, I would kindly appreciate it! Thank you!


Moderated Re: Question on how too update our google chrome browsers.

Bill White
 

Hi, Albert. This is a problem with the current version of Chrome, and the only solution is to wait for a new update to Chrome, which hasn't come out yet.

 

Bill White

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Albert Cutolo
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 6:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Question on how too update our google chrome browsers.

 

Good evening everyone, 

 

What are the steps for doing an update of Google chrome?  It seems that on both on both mine, and my girlfriends computer, after I try and do a search we both receive a thing that says, alt left arrow too go back, and and right arrow too go forward.  If I try using the H key too go from heading, too heading, it won’t advance too the next heading, or a shift H key won’t go back too a previous heading.  I have too hit the escape key, which will turn off the virtual cursor.  Is this something new that google chrome has implemented?    


Moderated Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

How about Windows Media Player. I get that error in there as well.

On 10/02/2022 6:06 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:


Annabelle,

I suspect Mike's post was accidentally misdirected, as nothing in it follows from yours.  It happens on occasion, and I'd just ignore it.

Can you give me an example I can work with other than iTunes or any "Apple related" application under Windows, as I don't use any of those.  I have never seen what you describe.  ALT simply throws focus to the menus or the ribbon tabs, you must continue hitting additional letters, numbers, or a combination of the two (with letters being by far the most common, and used alone) before the next thing happens.

I don't think anyone will be able to solve your problem without experiencing it directly and then figuring out what's going on and if that can be stopped.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Question on how too update our google chrome browsers.

Albert Cutolo
 

Good evening everyone, 

 

What are the steps for doing an update of Google chrome?  It seems that on both on both mine, and my girlfriends computer, after I try and do a search we both receive a thing that says, alt left arrow too go back, and and right arrow too go forward.  If I try using the H key too go from heading, too heading, it won’t advance too the next heading, or a shift H key won’t go back too a previous heading.  I have too hit the escape key, which will turn off the virtual cursor.  Is this something new that google chrome has implemented?    


Moderated Re: Sources for all kind of jfw scripts

 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 08:26 PM, Leo wrote:
I don’t see this happening unless the Jaws scripting community  join forces.
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Agreed.  The same has been true in the NVDA community, but it's now in the works, with the Spanish NVDA Community hosting a worldwide add-on repository with the eventual intent of NVAccess taking it over.

But being that Vispero has pretty much refused to have anything to do with such an idea, it would have to be, and remain, a community based effort for JAWS scripters and users.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: problem with Google Chrome

 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 08:18 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Actually there is a way to prevent auto updating.
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And having read your post, I can't argue that it can be done, but I'm not going to teach anyone to do that sort of under the hood tweaking.

If you want to do it, fine.  But if it can't be accomplished in the normal user interface then, from my perspective, it can't be done (and shouldn't be done).  As a repair tech by trade, a well as an AT specialist, I say, "That way lies madness," without a trace of hesitation.  Most users will never recall that they've done this over time, and there's a very high probability that they won't or can't ever undo it.  That can lead to some very, very bad results, far worse than temporary accessibility problems with a web browser.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

Annabelle,

I suspect Mike's post was accidentally misdirected, as nothing in it follows from yours.  It happens on occasion, and I'd just ignore it.

Can you give me an example I can work with other than iTunes or any "Apple related" application under Windows, as I don't use any of those.  I have never seen what you describe.  ALT simply throws focus to the menus or the ribbon tabs, you must continue hitting additional letters, numbers, or a combination of the two (with letters being by far the most common, and used alone) before the next thing happens.

I don't think anyone will be able to solve your problem without experiencing it directly and then figuring out what's going on and if that can be stopped.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: problem with Google Chrome

Gene Warner
 

I did this to Edge so I can't be 100% sure about the names or locations, but they should be very close to what you need to look for.

These instructions assume you know your way around Windows so they are not step by step instructions.

First in the Services section of Computer Management, you need to stop and disable these three services: (some of them may not be running so just disable those)

Google Chrome Elevation Service (GoogleChromeElevationService)
Google Chrome Update Service (chromeupdate)
Google Chrome Update Service (chromeupdatem)

You should record the startup option for each, you might need them later if you want to update the browser.

Then in File Explorer go to:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Google

In there you will find a folder named "ChromeUpdate". copy it to a zip file, then delete it.

Optionally reboot or restart Windows.

Now if you ever want to update the browser, just undo these changes, restart, and you are good to go.

Gene...

On 10/2/2022 4:09 PM, Nicholas Stevens (Mweb) wrote:
Hi members,
Is there a way to prevent google Chrome from updating?
I have tried rolling back to an earlier version of Chrome but every time I open Chrome it automatically pushes out the latest update.
Any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Nicholas Stevens


Moderated Re: From Edge to Firefox

Gene Warner
 

correction, the from field has the poster's actual email address. The field to check is the to field, so:

If To contains "groups.io" never send it to spam.

Sorry for the mistake.

Gene...

On 10/2/2022 8:35 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Thanks. I'm gonna try this.
James B
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 7:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox
I got around that problem by setting up a filter in GMail that says that
anything from groups.io is not spam.
Specifically the filter reads:
If from contains groups.io never send it to spam.
Gene...
On 10/2/2022 6:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 06:38 PM, JM Casey wrote:

It seems like half the time when people send me private messages
from these lists, they don’t receive my responses for some reason,
even though I’m apparently replying directly to them.

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Well, you are and you aren't. Groups.io is serving as a Relay. Even my
own private messages, when I BCC myself, come with a caution warning
from Gmail. In the case of yours, it ended up in the Spam folder.

It does make sense to make occasional checks of one's Spam folder as
things do occasionally get misclassified. It happens very seldom for me
under Gmail, but when it does I make certain to activate the "Not Spam"
button so their filters can learn.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*/Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy./*

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


Moderated Re: From Edge to Firefox

James Bentley
 

Thanks. I'm gonna try this.

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 7:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

I got around that problem by setting up a filter in GMail that says that
anything from groups.io is not spam.

Specifically the filter reads:
If from contains groups.io never send it to spam.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 6:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 06:38 PM, JM Casey wrote:

It seems like half the time when people send me private messages
from these lists, they don’t receive my responses for some reason,
even though I’m apparently replying directly to them.

-
Well, you are and you aren't. Groups.io is serving as a Relay. Even my
own private messages, when I BCC myself, come with a caution warning
from Gmail. In the case of yours, it ended up in the Spam folder.

It does make sense to make occasional checks of one's Spam folder as
things do occasionally get misclassified. It happens very seldom for me
under Gmail, but when it does I make certain to activate the "Not Spam"
button so their filters can learn.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*/Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy./*

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


Moderated Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

What's with the censorship by spelling? And, Who's Joe? I'm confused as to what this has to do with the problem of preventing submenus from opening when I pause on them with the mouse, or in my case, the arrow keys.

On 10/02/2022 5:26 PM Mike Pietruk <pietruk@...> wrote:


Now, I understand why A L E X A won't touch the question; and now I see
why Joe's question is something I heard before.
Amazon is smart not touching that hot potato as it could hurt their
business dependent how the Echo handled it.
So, probably when the issue came up, they drafted the answer they did.





Moderated Re: Ideas why focus jumps or is lost?

Mike Pietruk
 

Issues such as this is why I have 5 browsers on my PCs -- counting first
the Ole IE11 plus Edge, Chrome, Firefox and most recently added Brave.
If one browser handles something better, I just go to that in a specific
instance.
No browser is going to be all things to all people at all times.

On Sun, 2 Oct 2022, Mark wrote:

But it would still be helpful to have explanation of why the problem might be happening. Maybe the webpage changes something about object with the virtual cursor and JAWS gets lost and goes back to the first element.






Moderated Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Mike Pietruk
 

Now, I understand why A L E X A won't touch the question; and now I see
why Joe's question is something I heard before.
Amazon is smart not touching that hot potato as it could hurt their
business dependent how the Echo handled it.
So, probably when the issue came up, they drafted the answer they did.


Moderated Re: Sources for all kind of jfw scripts

Leo
 

I can flatly see the advantages behind having permanent and consistent access  to a centralized repository for Jaws scripts, but sadly,  I don’t see this happening unless the Jaws scripting community  join forces.

 

Best,

Leo Bado

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Sources for all kind of jfw scripts

 

I have never seen one, and I agree that a central exchange for "home grown" JAWS scripts would be a very good idea indeed.
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Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: problem with Google Chrome

Gene Warner
 

Actually there is a way to prevent auto updating. I know because I did it to Edge. I'll look up how I did it and post it here.

Gene...

On 10/2/2022 7:08 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 06:45 PM, Nicholas Stevens (Mweb) wrote:
Is there a way to prevent google Chrome from updating?
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No.  And I don't say this in a snarky way, but we're now in the age of virtually every piece of software in "as a service" mode, where automatic updating is the norm, and it's not going away.
Yes, this poses occasional issues, I won't deny, but in the case of web browsers you (the generic you) should have basic skills with at least two, preferably three, as there have been occasions for as long as I've been working in the screen reader world where a given screen reader and a given browser (or website in a given browser) just do not play well together.
There are times when you're going to have to punt to your second choice.  It's a fact of cyberlife in the 21st century.
That's why having basic skill with an alternate screen reader is essential, too, as sometimes it's necessary to use an alternative in a pinch.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*/Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy./*
    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


Moderated Re: From Edge to Firefox

Gene Warner
 

I got around that problem by setting up a filter in GMail that says that anything from groups.io is not spam.

Specifically the filter reads:
If from contains groups.io never send it to spam.

Gene...

On 10/2/2022 6:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 06:38 PM, JM Casey wrote:
It seems like half the time when people send me private messages
from these lists, they don’t receive my responses for some reason,
even though I’m apparently replying directly to them.
-
Well, you are and you aren't.  Groups.io is serving as a Relay.  Even my own private messages, when I BCC myself, come with a caution warning from Gmail.  In the case of yours, it ended up in the Spam folder.
It does make sense to make occasional checks of one's Spam folder as things do occasionally get misclassified.  It happens very seldom for me under Gmail, but when it does I make certain to activate the "Not Spam" button so their filters can learn.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*/Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy./*
    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


Moderated Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

For example, I press Alt to access the menu bar of an application, like ITunes, and if it begins with a submenu, the submenu automatically opens instead of letting me scroll down with the arrow keys. How do I prevent submenus from opening when I pause on them?

On 10/02/2022 4:51 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:


Annabelle,

You need to be a bit clearer about what it is you're trying to change and where.  The setting you describe is nowhere to be found under Windows 10 and I cannot get a start menu folder to do what you're describing.

Even a clear explanation of the behavior you hate, and how to make it occur, would be useful.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: Ideas why focus jumps or is lost?

Mark
 

But it would still be helpful to have explanation of why the problem might be happening. Maybe the webpage changes something about object with the virtual cursor and JAWS gets lost and goes back to the first element.


Moderated Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

Annabelle,

You need to be a bit clearer about what it is you're trying to change and where.  The setting you describe is nowhere to be found under Windows 10 and I cannot get a start menu folder to do what you're describing.

Even a clear explanation of the behavior you hate, and how to make it occur, would be useful.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Hi, it's Annabelle.
I'm having trouble accessing the classic "Taskbar And Start Menu" settings in Windows 10. Every time I press enter on "Taskbar and Start Menu", I'm taken to the new version made in "Settings". Unfortunately that version is not easy to access with screenreaders like JAWS. I wish there was a way that I could access classic parameters made for earlier versions of Windows, as they are more suitable for the sight challenged. Specifically I'm trying to turn off the parameter to "Click on submenus when I pause on them", as it drives me mad! If someone could please make a registry key for me, I would kindly appreciate it! Thank you!