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moderated Re: Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book

K0LNY
 

Hi Gene,
I don't know if one made for documents would give you better results, as it
is more a factor of the resolution, which you can change in the scanner's
software.
I've had good luck with my color scanners, one is a cannon scanner and the
other is a all-in one printer scanner.
The all in one I have now wirelessly connects to my router and is in the
network, but is a pain if I have a lot to scan, going back and forth from
one room to another.
The one I had before wasn't meant for a network, but I connected it to my
router and found it in the network and made it work.
I'm not even sure if they make any any more that don't do color.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: "JAWS support list" <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 11:37 AM
Subject: Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book


Hi everyone!

I currently have a color photo scanner, I believe that I could get
better OCR results if I switched to a scanner designed primarily for
scanning documents. Can anyone recommend one? I wouldn't mind a document
feeder, but it doesn't need to be one that can hold a ton of pages, if
it can hold and feed 10 pages, that would be plenty for my needs.

Thanks!
Gene...


moderated Re: Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book

Gene Warner
 

Hi Feliciano!

Thanks for the recommendation! I should have also said that I am looking for just a scanner, not one of these all-in-one devices because I have a printer that I am happy with.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 12:39 PM, Feliciano G wrote:
I always recommend Epson printer/scanners because of their ease of use and accessible utility with scanning and creating PDFs.
Feliciano
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On Jul 7, 2022, at 9:37 AM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

Hi everyone!

I currently have a color photo scanner, I believe that I could get better OCR results if I switched to a scanner designed primarily for scanning documents. Can anyone recommend one? I wouldn't mind a document feeder, but it doesn't need to be one that can hold a ton of pages, if it can hold and feed 10 pages, that would be plenty for my needs.

Thanks!
Gene...





moderated Re: Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book

Feliciano G
 

I always recommend Epson printer/scanners because of their ease of use and accessible utility with scanning and creating PDFs.

Feliciano
For tech tips and updates:
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do. -Steve Jobs

On Jul 7, 2022, at 9:37 AM, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:

Hi everyone!

I currently have a color photo scanner, I believe that I could get better OCR results if I switched to a scanner designed primarily for scanning documents. Can anyone recommend one? I wouldn't mind a document feeder, but it doesn't need to be one that can hold a ton of pages, if it can hold and feed 10 pages, that would be plenty for my needs.

Thanks!
Gene...





moderated Scanners for convenient OCR and Open Book

Gene Warner
 

Hi everyone!

I currently have a color photo scanner, I believe that I could get better OCR results if I switched to a scanner designed primarily for scanning documents. Can anyone recommend one? I wouldn't mind a document feeder, but it doesn't need to be one that can hold a ton of pages, if it can hold and feed 10 pages, that would be plenty for my needs.

Thanks!
Gene...


moderated Re: my bank's login section - JAWS can't read it but narrator can

Steve Nutt
 

To be honest though Bill, both Narrator and NVDA are better at many web apps than JAWS is.

 

It needs a bit of a refresh there.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 22 June 2022 03:57
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: my bank's login section - JAWS can't read it but narrator can

 

Hi, Curtis. There are plenty of apps and websites that don't play friendly with Narrator. When a program is created, there will always be trade off's, advantages and disadvantages to using that program versus other programs. Just because Narrator works well in this situation, that doesn't mean that Narrator is best at working with a multitude of programs and websites. FreedomScientific has to balance performance among so many programs and websites that occasionally, there will be situations in which a different strategy will need to be used to correct an accessibility problem with a program or website when using JAWS.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 7:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: my bank's login section - JAWS can't read it but narrator can

 

Howdy:

 

That strategy actually works. However, I deplore the need to have to use it<smile>. One wonders if Narrator can behave better with this kind of site, why not JAWS<sigh>?

 

Cordially,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cornelius
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2022 7:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: my bank's login section - JAWS can't read it but narrator can

 

Robin, I think I may have a solution for this, though I am living somewhere else and not a Key user.

With JAWS, do the following:

In the website, focus your arrow key at the sign on button. It doesn’t matter if it says expanded or collapse.

Press JAWS key +Z to turn off virtual cursor, and use the tab or shift tab to get back the focus at the sign on button.

If the button is collapse, press space to expand it.

Then press tab and you should be able to go through those menu, like sign on, forget password, and enrol. Just use space or enter to activate the button of your choice, then press JAWS key +Z again to turn on virtual cursor.

 

HTH

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, 21 June, 2022 11:54 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: my bank's login section - JAWS can't read it but narrator can

 

Hi,

I’ve appreciate some input here. It  seems that my bank changed something on the home page to get to the sign-in section. I cannot find the login section at all with JAWS  PC or JAWS cursor. I asked an AIRA agent for a visual description of what was happening. With that, I found that Narrator can find the section, but not JAWS.  I’ll describe the layout from the AIRA agent’s perspective, then   I’d appreciate knowing two things from some of you: I primarily use MS Edge, but did also try this on Chrome, with the same result.

 

Using JAWS, go to www.key.com.  Press B until you hear Sign-on button. If you click this, it says that the button is now expanded.  JAWS cannot find anything, reading instead a photo description of a woman and a mural. I even tried redrawing the screen and routing my JAWS cursor to the PC cursor.  What AIRA and Narrator show is that a little section appears below this expanded sign-on button where it mentions Online Banking, has buttons to Enroll and Sign-On and links for forgot your password.  Narrator reads these and I can click the sign-on button to open the actual log-in area. 

 

  1. Are you able to find the expanded section with JAWS?
  2. We talk about always having two screen readers for cases like this, but do you think it’s reasonable that I’m still pushing back to the bank tech team to say this doesn’t work with JAWS?  I sent in feedback over the weekend, before I had even tested it with Narrator, so I cannot say that the site is completely inaccessible,  but I’m disappointed that JAWS isn’t reading that section once expanded. 

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2022, Office 365.

Robin Van Lant

 



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moderated Re: Saving Jaws?

Gene Warner
 

That depends on what you want to do with it. If you just want to back it up, then yes. But if you want to run it as portable software, then no.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 9:18 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
No.
All the best
Steve
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Claudia
*Sent:* 17 June 2022 16:43
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Saving Jaws?
Hello,
C
An Jaws be saved on a USB drive?
Thanks.
Claudia


moderated Re: Saving Jaws?

Steve Nutt
 

No.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claudia
Sent: 17 June 2022 16:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Saving Jaws?

 

Hello,

C

An Jaws be saved on a USB drive?

Thanks.

 

Claudia

 


moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Steve Nutt
 

Also worth updating to JAWS 2022, rather than reporting bugs in old versions.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: 12 June 2022 03:40
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hello.
Have not had any trouble with either one of those. Sounds like a machine-specific problem that might be solvable with a reinstall of jaws or something.

CH

On 6/
1/2022 20:40, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
One thing I've noticed with Jaws 2022 lately is that at least on my
machine, it seems to become completely unresponsive while using the
task manager and device manager, whereas NVDA works perfectly fine. I
don't know if this is just a Windows 11 issue or if it's something
unique to my machine or if it's an issue with Jaws. Either way I
prefer to use NVDA while using both the task manager and device
manager.

On 6/11/22, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:
I've always thought NVDA was more like Window Eyes.
Now, if there was a Jaws add-on for NVDA, that set the keyboard
functions to

be like Jaws, I think a lot more people would use it.
I remember when Microsoft Word had a WordPerfect keyboard layout,
that made

it a lot easier for WP users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?


Having been a long time Window Eyes user I found the move to NVDA
much easier than a move to Jaws. I have NVDA and the latest version
of Jaws on my computer and use NVDA 90 percent of the time.

On 6/11/2022 5:04 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi I have triedNVDA but I never got verry far with it. I used Jaws
and that is what I have used all the way back to Jaws 3.7 I am now
using Jaws

2022 and am having a lot of fun with it. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the
blind

tech lover
Sent: June 11, 2022 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions
like this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture
smart, voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use
NVDA occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.


On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want
to emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the
other, I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side.
What do you think it does better? Where do you think it's
weakness's are? I've been a long time NVDA user and occasionally
dabbled in Jaws here and there over the past year or so. Something
I commonly see is that Jaws still seems to have better braille
support. I also don't know how many organisations would be super
happy with the idea of putting NVDA on a work computer, so there's
that. I used Jaws growing up, so I have a fair amount of experience
in both readers. Using Jaws recently also told me that the overall
look and feel hasn't really changed either, so there was next to no
learning curve when it came to reacquainting myself. I know NV
access have been working on this, but to my understanding Jaws also
seems to have better UIA support, something that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you, James
























moderated Re: New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS with A Few Questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

There is also Doug Lee's scripts for JAWS, at http://www.dlee.org

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Malone
Sent: 12 June 2022 00:41
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS with A Few Questions

From reading the post, Lanie was indeed aware that Jaws uses "scripts". The question was more in regards to the best places to obtain said scripts. NVDA has a couple of repositories for it's addons, they (and now I,) were wondering if there are such places for Jaws these days. The only ones I know of are the scripts done by Brian Hartgen, as well as the Reaper scripts. :)

On 6/12/22, ratshtron <northstarr1950@...> wrote:
Hmmmm, if you use jaws you use scripts, lol!

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________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Karen
Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 9:34:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS
with A Few Questions

Hi Lanie,
I don't use scripts, so I can't help you there. I do use a braille display.
It is the Focus 40 5th generation. Since I've been a long time user of
Jaws, early to mid 90's, I chose this display over others because I
wanted the two to work well together. Since Then I understand there
are several from other companies that work well with Jaws too.

There is another group. The group I found has a braille display focus only.
Getting them to work with screen readers; including NVDA, Narrator,
IOS, Jaws, etc.; is often discussed on that list. Also deciding which
one might work best with your preferred screen reader. Here is the
link to learn more.

https://groups.io/g/braille-display-users

I hope this helps, and I've not stepped on the toes of the moderator.
Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lanie
Molinar
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 11:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: New Subscriber Contemplating Switching from NVDA to JAWS with
A Few Questions

Hi all. I've been playing with JAWS 2022 for a little while now. I'm a
long-time user of NVDA and like it, but I'm interested in some of the
features JAWS provides that NVDA doesn't, and I'd like to start using
Braille more since I love Braille and am autistic and sometimes have
periods of sensory overload with all my screen readers going off
around me and other noises in my environment. I know JAWS provides
better Braille support, and I'm hoping to get a Braille display soon.
I have a few questions though. Are there any resources for finding
scripts? I'm used to looking for add-ons in one location, like the
NVDA add-ons website. Also, is there a way to make JAWS speak
passwords? With NVDA, I have an add-on that does this. Does anyone
know of any training resources for people who already know how to use
a computer, advanced computer users, or people who have used other
screen readers? I looked at the basic training materials, but they
seemed a little basic for my needs. Finally, is there anyone who has made this switch and might be able to give me some tips on switching? Thanks.

















moderated Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Steve Nutt
 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: 11 June 2022 23:32
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

I've always thought NVDA was more like Window Eyes.
Now, if there was a Jaws add-on for NVDA, that set the keyboard functions to be like Jaws, I think a lot more people would use it.
I remember when Microsoft Word had a WordPerfect keyboard layout, that made it a lot easier for WP users.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?


Having been a long time Window Eyes user I found the move to NVDA much easier than a move to Jaws. I have NVDA and the latest version of Jaws on my computer and use NVDA 90 percent of the time.

On 6/11/2022 5:04 PM, Mich Verrier wrote:
Hi I have triedNVDA but I never got verry far with it. I used Jaws and
that is what I have used all the way back to Jaws 3.7 I am now using
Jaws
2022 and am having a lot of fun with it. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the
blind tech lover
Sent: June 11, 2022 3:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Curiosity: What makes people choose Jaws over NVDA?

Hi. This is such an interesting topic. I rather enjoy discussions like
this. I prefer Jaws over NVDA because Jaws has the Braille math
editor, which I need to use for math class. NVDA is a great screen
reader if you don't need to do math. Also, I love Jaws picture smart,
voice assistant feature, and the convenient OCR. I do use NVDA
occasionally, and I like how there are so many unique NVDA add-ons.
However, my overall preference is Jaws.


On 6/11/22, James Malone <james.malone93502@...> wrote:
Hi all,
inspired from an earlier topic, I got to wondering:
What makes people keep coming back to Jaws over NVDA? I also want to
emphasise that this is not a topic trying to bash one or the other,
I'd really like to hear some opinions from the Jaws side. What do you
think it does better? Where do you think it's weakness's are? I've
been a long time NVDA user and occasionally dabbled in Jaws here and
there over the past year or so. Something I commonly see is that Jaws
still seems to have better braille support. I also don't know how
many organisations would be super happy with the idea of putting NVDA
on a work computer, so there's that. I used Jaws growing up, so I
have a fair amount of experience in both readers. Using Jaws recently
also told me that the overall look and feel hasn't really changed
either, so there was next to no learning curve when it came to
reacquainting myself. I know NV access have been working on this, but
to my understanding Jaws also seems to have better UIA support,
something that can only be a positive!
Looking forward to hearing from you,
James















moderated Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge

Marty Hutchings
 

Does this happen with Firefox?

Thanks,
Lion Marty Hutchings
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(262) 605-8981
mhutchings152730@...
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On 7/6/2022 12:40 PM, Afik Souffir wrote:

You are totally right!!!!

We need to do something about it as a community.

Maybe to write to Freedom Scientific, or Google or Microsoft.

 

I’ve talked with Microsoft disability answer desk now, they said: its maybe problem with  my system… windows.

 

Strange people.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Gene Warner
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 8:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge

 

Not to mention that it is very annoying and frustrating regardless of
whether you are working or playing.

Gene...


On 7/6/2022 11:54 AM, Afik Souffir wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes!!!! It's really need to fix quickly, it's effecting my daily work.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 6:31 PM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge
>
> Afik
>
> I've noticed the same thing; my guess, off the top of my head, is that something has chhanged with the 2-chromium based browsers.
>
> The question is what; and the work around or fix.
>
> Will be interested in the feedback of others on this.
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Jul 2022, Afik Souffir wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In my work laptop, Lenovo Thinkpad i5 with windows 10, and JAWS 2022.22.06.9 JAWS is loosing focus in our CRM internal systems constantly, but not limited to them.
>> For example, I'm doing something on SalesForce and then I'm finding myself at the bottom of the webpage, while I was in the center...
>> My touchpad is turned of.
>> This happened to me in any page.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Afik
>>
>>
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moderated Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Go to http://www.reaperaccessibility .com.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: 08 June 2022 19:19
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

I think it’s about $50 in uS funds, give or take $10 or so. Check out their website. I downloaded the software but still haven’t bought it as I struggled to get it configured properly and so never was able to take advantage of the trial period.

However plenty of people use it and swear by it and it seems like a good piece of software.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: June 8, 2022 12:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

Hi,

How much is the reaper software?

 

On Jun 8, 2022, at 5:22 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:



Hi Jim,

 

I recommend Reaper, it is even better.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Portillo
Sent: 26 May 2022 22:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

Thank you Curtis,

This just came up for me, so I’m trying to get going on it as much as possible.

Thanks.

Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 2:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

they have a list at

audacity4blind@...,

so if you can find the subscribe info that is a good place to talk about it.

There are JFW configuration files and all kinds of tutorials on the software.

On 5/26/2022 2:01 PM, Jim Portillo wrote:

Greetings,

 

I apologize if this is off topic for this list, but I’m not sure where or who to ask. I would like to be in touch with anyone who currently uses the latest version of the Audacity software with JAWS. If things go as I am hoping, I may be using it for some recording. I need to know how accessible and operatable it is on a laptop computer with JAWS. I am looking for perhaps some tutorials or even classes online. If it is accessible with JAWS, I’d like to learn as much as I can about it.

I’m happy to go off list with people who use it or can lead me in the right direction. At this point, it needs to be that specific program, because I would be working or making recordings with others who are using it.

Jim

 

 

-- 
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
 Rialto, CA
curtis@...


moderated Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

Steve Nutt
 

60 Bucks.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: 08 June 2022 17:24
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

Hi,

How much is the reaper software?



On Jun 8, 2022, at 5:22 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:



Hi Jim,

 

I recommend Reaper, it is even better.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Portillo
Sent: 26 May 2022 22:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

Thank you Curtis,

This just came up for me, so I’m trying to get going on it as much as possible.

Thanks.

Jim

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2022 2:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessibility of Audacity?

 

they have a list at

audacity4blind@...,

so if you can find the subscribe info that is a good place to talk about it.

There are JFW configuration files and all kinds of tutorials on the software.

On 5/26/2022 2:01 PM, Jim Portillo wrote:

Greetings,

 

I apologize if this is off topic for this list, but I’m not sure where or who to ask. I would like to be in touch with anyone who currently uses the latest version of the Audacity software with JAWS. If things go as I am hoping, I may be using it for some recording. I need to know how accessible and operatable it is on a laptop computer with JAWS. I am looking for perhaps some tutorials or even classes online. If it is accessible with JAWS, I’d like to learn as much as I can about it.

I’m happy to go off list with people who use it or can lead me in the right direction. At this point, it needs to be that specific program, because I would be working or making recordings with others who are using it.

Jim

 

 

-- 
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
 Rialto, CA
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moderated Re: Changing From One License Type to Another: Additional Costs?

Cornelius
 

Generally it is not recommended for you to downgrade back from an original windows 11 to windows 10.
Windows 11 is quite stable now, a year into its launched. Perhaps you can describe what didn't work well on Windows 11.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of meow meow
Sent: Thursday, 7 July, 2022 6:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Changing From One License Type to Another: Additional Costs?

thanks lol I'm Rosie lol
Iwould like to get window 10 but my new laptop is window 11 and it not work well what I want too install window 10 would it work?
thanks meow meow lol Rosie



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From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2022 4:16 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Changing From One License Type to Another: Additional Costs?

Hey there Meow Meow!
Your name makes me smile! To turn off automatic updates in new versions of
Windows like Windows 10, which doesn't seem to have that parameter in the
Control Panel like other previous versions (That really makes me mad), you
actually have to create a registry key. If it's not already there, go to
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion. create a new
key called "WindowsUpdate". within that key, create another key called AU.
Within that key, create a Dword value called NoAutoUpdate. Set that value
to 1. If you have Winaero Tweaker, which also helps, set the parameter of
Disable Windows Update to checked, and you should be good to go. It does
sound complicated, but it's definitely worth it if you don't wanna be
bothered with constant updates!
On 07/06/2022 3:01 PM meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:


how can u turn it off on window 11



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From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glenn@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2022 8:16 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Changing From One License Type to Another: Additional Costs?

Yes, turning off automatic updates is a good thing.
I don't know if windows 10 or that newer one, LOL, allow one to select
which
updates can be installed through windows update, like we can in earlier
windows.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2022 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Changing From One License Type to Another: Additional
Costs?


Hi Annabelle!

You woun't hear that from me! I've been the computer industry since
1980
and I have always felt that automatic updates are a very bad idea. The
problem with automatic updates is that you may get an update that does
bad thing to your computer, and while you might be able remove the
update, the automatic update feature will just put it back again. It is
always better to wait a while to see what others are saying about an
update and if the news isn't good, you just don't install it!

Gene...


On 7/6/2022 9:25 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
What's even more interesting, I run Windows with Automatic Updates
turned
off. I know most folks will say that's a security risk, but
unfortunately
I learned the hard way when I updated Windows 7 and it did something
funky
that led to mismatched drivers, program incompatibility, and broken
accessibility.
On 07/06/2022 5:57 AM Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
<robin_van_lant@...> wrote:


I have a SMA for a professional license, since I use it for work and
home. I'm not sure FS even offers a SMA for home licenses anymore,
but
don't hold me to that.

As I understand it, JAWS is mine to keep, even if I don't renew the
SMA,
but eventually the software won't work as Windows and applications
keep
progressing. Like you, I like the idea of owning my copy, even if it
becomes outdated if I don't renew the SMA. The annual license is
great
for removing the barrier of entry for new JAWS users, but feels like
a
fleeting thing that you lose if you cannot afford the annual license
one
year.

If your last SMA was 2002, you may not be able to switch base to even
a
professional SMA at this point. You are probably best to call FS
Sales
and ask about your situation.

Robin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 4:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Changing From One License Type to Another: Additional
Costs?

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think
before
clicking links or opening attachments.


I purchased my SMA with a college trust fund back in 2002, as I was
going
to school back then. The SMA was a "Professional" license. I want to
try
to change my recent home annual license to a perpetual license, but
I'm
not sure how much it would cost to upgrade from one license to
another.
Am I right when I hear that a perpetual license never expires?
On 07/06/2022 2:58 AM molly the blind tech lover
<brainardmolly@...> wrote:


I used to have an SMA for Jaws, not sure which version of Jaws it
was.
My SMA had expired, and rather than renewing the SMA I purchased the
home annual yearly subscription for around $95. In my opinion it's
easier than trying to renew an expired SMA.

On 7/3/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:
I originally purchased an SMA when I originally purchased JAWS,
starting with version 3.7.

On 07/03/2022 3:27 AM Gerald Levy via groups.io
<bwaylimited@...> wrote:




Sorry, no can do. Once you have selected the annual license
option, you cannot switch to the SMA option without purchasing
JAWS
outright for $950, if you have not previously done so.


Gerald



On 7/2/2022 9:59 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

> > Hi, it's Annabelle.
I have an Annual license for JAWS 2021, and I'd like to
change it to a perpetual license. Those are the ones that don't
expire, right?
Will it cost me anything? If so, how much. Specifically, I have a
home license for JAWS 2021.

>











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moderated Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge

Karen Reynolds
 

Hi Rosie,
When the pdf comes up blank in Adobe, go to accessibility and change the reading order to left to right, top to bottom. That usually works for me and gives me the text, unless it is a graphic.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of meow meow
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 5:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge

well firefox is ok but it won't go back to last website that I want to go back sometime it would sometime it won't and alsowhen I want to download patterns the firefox have me to choose which to open and I only have 2 choice one is from firefox zoom and another is adobe reader but most of time adobe reader won't let me see it just blank and firefox zoom it did let me open it but it like some words togeter and line of of like stick together like row 1 continue to same line to row 12 all togeter it mess to me that I have to sepuate it



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2022 3:31 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge

At this point I'd say none of them because they all have warts you
have to deal with. The only thing you can do at this point is to
decide which warts you are willing to deal with and which ones you won't.

Gene...


On 7/6/2022 5:26 PM, meow meow wrote:
which browser worse?

*From:* Chris Hill <mailto:hillco@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2022 1:13 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge

I agree, hit has gotten worse. At lest I can use firefox when the
chromium-based browsers won't do the job.

CH



On 7/6/2022 12:21, Afik Souffir wrote:
Hi,
I’ve done that and its not help.


Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Chris
Hill <hillco@...>
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2022 8:19:01 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge Only simple
idea I have is make sure the browser is maximized using alt+ space
and x.

CH


On 7/6/2022 10:54, Afik Souffir wrote:
Hi,

Yes!!!! It's really need to fix quickly, it's effecting my daily work.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 6:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge

Afik

I've noticed the same thing; my guess, off the top of my head, is
that
something has chhanged with the 2-chromium based browsers.

The question is what; and the work around or fix.

Will be interested in the feedback of others on this.


On Wed, 6 Jul 2022, Afik Souffir wrote:

Hi,

In my work laptop, Lenovo Thinkpad i5 with windows 10, and JAWS
2022.22.06.9 JAWS is loosing focus in our CRM internal
systems constantly, but not limited to them.
For example, I'm doing something on SalesForce and then I'm
finding myself at the bottom of
the webpage, while I was in the center...
My touchpad is turned of.
This happened to me in any page.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Afik























moderated Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge

Gene Warner
 

If it is happening is all screen readers, and only happening in Chromium based browsers, I would say that the place to go is Google and/or the Chromium open source project community.

Gene...

On 7/6/2022 7:20 PM, Afik Souffir wrote:
I’ve checked in all screen readers. Its happend.
 But freedom tell me to go to ms and google support.
Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Pietruk <pietruk@...>
*Sent:* Thursday, July 7, 2022 1:53:23 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge
Before I pose a question, let me say I haven't read every msg in this
discussion.
Has it been determined who actually is being effected:  Jaws users only,
all screen readers, or everyone using Edge or Chrome?
If it's the 3rd situation, Freedom Scientific can do little on its own
other than working with Google and Microsoft to see if they can fix
things.
If it's either of the first 2, then hopefully Freedom Scientific can
figure out to straighten things out.


moderated Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge

Mike Pietruk
 

Someone who can access the web without a screen reader will have to tell
the list if they're having the same issue.
If they are, there is probably little help that Freedom Scientific can
provide.
The problem then first needs to be fixed with the browsers.
A screen reader can only be as good as the other software on the machine.


moderated Re: Changing From One License Type to Another: Additional Costs?

meow meow
 

I have Jaws 22



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2022 4:43 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Changing From One License Type to Another: Additional Costs?

You could try that. But be sure to install it on an empty hard drive in case you have data you want to save on the one with Windows 11. And, if you can believe it, my sighted friend Markus (Yes, that's "Markus" with a "K", not a "C"), helped me to install Windows 10, with narrator! Isn't that amazing that you can install Windows using Narrator?
On 07/06/2022 3:23 PM meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:


thanks lol I'm Rosie lol
Iwould like to get window 10 but my new laptop is window 11 and it not work
well what I want too
install window 10 would it work?
thanks meow meow lol Rosie



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2022 4:16 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Changing From One License Type to Another: Additional Costs?

Hey there Meow Meow!
Your name makes me smile! To turn off automatic updates in new versions of
Windows like Windows 10, which doesn't seem to have that parameter in the
Control Panel like other previous versions (That really makes me mad), you
actually have to create a registry key. If it's not already there, go to
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion. create a new
key called "WindowsUpdate". within that key, create another key called AU.
Within that key, create a Dword value called NoAutoUpdate. Set that value
to 1. If you have Winaero Tweaker, which also helps, set the parameter of
Disable Windows Update to checked, and you should be good to go. It does
sound complicated, but it's definitely worth it if you don't wanna be
bothered with constant updates!
On 07/06/2022 3:01 PM meow meow <soberwater26q@...> wrote:


how can u turn it off on window 11



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glenn@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2022 8:16 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Changing From One License Type to Another: Additional Costs?

Yes, turning off automatic updates is a good thing.
I don't know if windows 10 or that newer one, LOL, allow one to select
which
updates can be installed through windows update, like we can in earlier
windows.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2022 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Changing From One License Type to Another: Additional
Costs?


Hi Annabelle!

You woun't hear that from me! I've been the computer industry since
1980
and I have always felt that automatic updates are a very bad idea. The
problem with automatic updates is that you may get an update that does
bad thing to your computer, and while you might be able remove the
update, the automatic update feature will just put it back again. It is
always better to wait a while to see what others are saying about an
update and if the news isn't good, you just don't install it!

Gene...


On 7/6/2022 9:25 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
What's even more interesting, I run Windows with Automatic Updates
turned
off. I know most folks will say that's a security risk, but
unfortunately
I learned the hard way when I updated Windows 7 and it did something
funky
that led to mismatched drivers, program incompatibility, and broken
accessibility.
On 07/06/2022 5:57 AM Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
<robin_van_lant@...> wrote:


I have a SMA for a professional license, since I use it for work and
home. I'm not sure FS even offers a SMA for home licenses anymore,
but
don't hold me to that.

As I understand it, JAWS is mine to keep, even if I don't renew the
SMA,
but eventually the software won't work as Windows and applications
keep
progressing. Like you, I like the idea of owning my copy, even if it
becomes outdated if I don't renew the SMA. The annual license is
great
for removing the barrier of entry for new JAWS users, but feels like
a
fleeting thing that you lose if you cannot afford the annual license
one
year.

If your last SMA was 2002, you may not be able to switch base to even
a
professional SMA at this point. You are probably best to call FS
Sales
and ask about your situation.

Robin


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 4:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Changing From One License Type to Another: Additional
Costs?

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think
before
clicking links or opening attachments.


I purchased my SMA with a college trust fund back in 2002, as I was
going
to school back then. The SMA was a "Professional" license. I want to
try
to change my recent home annual license to a perpetual license, but
I'm
not sure how much it would cost to upgrade from one license to
another.
Am I right when I hear that a perpetual license never expires?
On 07/06/2022 2:58 AM molly the blind tech lover
<brainardmolly@...> wrote:


I used to have an SMA for Jaws, not sure which version of Jaws it
was.
My SMA had expired, and rather than renewing the SMA I purchased the
home annual yearly subscription for around $95. In my opinion it's
easier than trying to renew an expired SMA.

On 7/3/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:
I originally purchased an SMA when I originally purchased JAWS,
starting with version 3.7.

On 07/03/2022 3:27 AM Gerald Levy via groups.io
<bwaylimited@...> wrote:




Sorry, no can do. Once you have selected the annual license
option, you cannot switch to the SMA option without purchasing
JAWS
outright for $950, if you have not previously done so.


Gerald



On 7/2/2022 9:59 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

> > Hi, it's Annabelle.
I have an Annual license for JAWS 2021, and I'd like to
change it to a perpetual license. Those are the ones that don't
expire, right?
Will it cost me anything? If so, how much. Specifically, I have a
home license for JAWS 2021.

>











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moderated Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge

Afik Souffir
 

I’ve checked in all screen readers. Its happend.
 But freedom tell me to go to ms and google support.


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Mike Pietruk <pietruk@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 1:53:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge
 
Before I pose a question, let me say I haven't read every msg in this
discussion.

Has it been determined who actually is being effected:  Jaws users only,
all screen readers, or everyone using Edge or Chrome?
If it's the 3rd situation, Freedom Scientific can do little on its own
other than working with Google and Microsoft to see if they can fix
things.
If it's either of the first 2, then hopefully Freedom Scientific can
figure out to straighten things out.








moderated Re: jaws loosing focus in Chrome and Edge

Gene Warner
 

Somebody earlier in this thread said that all screen readers were affected. But since I only have JAWS installed and know next to nothing about using Narrator, I can't verify what he was saying.

Gene...

On 7/6/2022 6:53 PM, Mike Pietruk wrote:
Before I pose a question, let me say I haven't read every msg in this
discussion.
Has it been determined who actually is being effected: Jaws users only,
all screen readers, or everyone using Edge or Chrome?
If it's the 3rd situation, Freedom Scientific can do little on its own
other than working with Google and Microsoft to see if they can fix
things.
If it's either of the first 2, then hopefully Freedom Scientific can
figure out to straighten things out.