Yeah…there’s no real benefit to having it off. Although I know some of
us like to confuse sighted people when we use our computers, or when
they try to use them with the screen-reader still turned on.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 02:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't
think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow
things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the default
was OFF.

But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally
increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer the
case in practice. That's why I wish the default were changed.

But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker changes
them. I hate some of them and love others. 'Twas ever thus!
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall

Sometimes it's allright to have a little laugh at someone else's expense. But it's only reallyf unny the first time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 02:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Who does that? When I need somebody to do something with my phone or my computer, I turn off the assistive technology for them. Its called thinking of others and is generally a good idea.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 2:48 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Yeah…there’s no real benefit to having it off. Although I know some
of us like to confuse sighted people when we use our computers, or
when they try to use them with the screen-reader still turned on.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 02:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't
think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow
things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the
default was OFF.

But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally
increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer the
case in practice. That's why I wish the default were changed.

But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker
changes them. I hate some of them and love others. 'Twas ever thus!
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall

Yeah…there’s no real benefit to having it off. Although I know some of
us like to confuse sighted people when we use our computers, or when
they try to use them with the screen-reader still turned on.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 02:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't
think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow
things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the default
was OFF.

But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally
increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer the
case in practice. That's why I wish the default were changed.

But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker changes
them. I hate some of them and love others. 'Twas ever thus!
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall

Yeah…there’s no real benefit to having it off. Although I know some of
us like to confuse sighted people when we use our computers, or when
they try to use them with the screen-reader still turned on.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 02:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't
think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow
things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the default
was OFF.

But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally
increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer the
case in practice. That's why I wish the default were changed.

But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker changes
them. I hate some of them and love others. 'Twas ever thus!
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall

Sometimes it's allright to have a little laugh at someone else's expense. But it's only reallyf unny the first time.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 02:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click
Who does that? When I need somebody to do something with my phone or my computer, I turn off the assistive technology for them. Its called thinking of others and is generally a good idea.
Gene...
On 8/6/2022 2:48 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Yeah…there’s no real benefit to having it off. Although I know some of
us like to confuse sighted people when we use our computers, or when
they try to use them with the screen-reader still turned on.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 02:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't
think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow
things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the default
was OFF.

But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally
increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer the
case in practice. That's why I wish the default were changed.

But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker changes
them. I hate some of them and love others. 'Twas ever thus!
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall

Yeah…there’s no real benefit to having it off. Although I know some of
us like to confuse sighted people when we use our computers, or when
they try to use them with the screen-reader still turned on.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 02:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't
think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow
things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the default
was OFF.

But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally
increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer the
case in practice. That's why I wish the default were changed.

But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker changes
them. I hate some of them and love others. 'Twas ever thus!
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall

Yeah…there’s no real benefit to having it off. Although I know some of us like to confuse sighted people when we use our computers, or when they try to use them with the screen-reader still turned on.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 02:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click
On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't
think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.
-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the default was OFF.
But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer the case in practice.  That's why I wish the default were changed.
But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker changes them.  I hate some of them and love others.  'Twas ever thus!
--
Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

Greetings:

If you activate the JAWS cursor, the mouse pointer is right there. This is different from activating the “virtual” cursor.

Curtis

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 11:41 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 12:30 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

There are key strokes to move one JAWS cursor to where another cursor is, it would be nice if there was something like that for the mouse pointer, or an option in JAWS to keep the mouse pointer with the currently active JAWS cursor.

-
There are keystrokes in JAWS and every other screen reader I've touched to move the mouse pointer to what has focus in the virtual cursor, and vice versa.

In JAWS keyboard shortcut parlance the PC Cursor and the mouse pointer can be thought of pretty much synonymously.  If you've got focus on something and want the mouse pointer to be there, two, issuing the Route PC Cursor to JAWS Cursor command (INSERT + NumPad Plus) does it.  Then you can left or right click (and this presumes that the thing where the mouse pointer/PC Cursor has focus would react to same).  NVDA uses a precisely analogous method, but they describe it as Move mouse pointer to current navigator object and where the full description of that action is, "Moves the mouse to the location of the current navigator object and review cursor."

I've been having students use these commands so that they can then use SHIFT + F10 or Applications/Context Menu Key or try emulated clicking for as long as I can remember.  And it's way more reliable when emulation is not part of the picture.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

The JAWS cursor is the mouse cursor. I'll use a browser window as my example. 

The virtual PC cursor is the default cursor in a browser. I find a link or a button that I can't activate with enter or spacebar. I want to left click it with my mouse. On a laptop I would hit capslock plus [. On a desktop I would hit insert plus - on the numpad. This routs the JAWS cursor to the VP, in this case virtual PC, cursor. I then errow back and fourth until I find the first letter of the label I want to click on. At this point, I am using the JAWS cursor because I routed it to the PC cursor. When I find the first letter I left click it with capslock plus 8 or numpad / .

Again, your rudeness is quite apparent And you come across as very eragant.  I hope the admins of this list are paying attention to the way you treat others.  At this point, I will not be responding back to you regarding your bad behavior but I will be praying for you.
Laura
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Saturday, August 6, 2022 1:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click
On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:03 PM, Laura Richardson wrote:
And Brian's response to you by stating "you're not paying attention"
and his poor attitude and rudeness towards many others on this list
is quite unnecessary.
-
Yes, inconvenient statements of truth are sometimes hard to take.  But those of us who wish to learn take them on board.
If you think that saying someone has not been paying attention, when they have not, in fact been paying attention based upon what they've said, is rude, well, that's your problem, and I have no intention of making it mine.
My contributions here stand on their own, thank you very much.  I don't really seek, or need, your approval or that of anyone else.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

I don't use the laptop layout, and I wasn't calling you out for your mistake because I didn't know it was one. I was just saying that so far, I've never had any of the JAWS simulated mouse clicks do any good for me, usually they did the simulated click, but the web page or program doesn't respond. That's all.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 12:08 PM, Dave Durber wrote:

Gene:

Oops! I cocked up!

It's CAPS LOCK+8 and CAPS LOCK+9, to click the left and right mouse buttons, if you are using the JAWS laptop keyboard layout.

Dave

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Unfortunately, I have yet to come across a situation where the JAWS simulated mouse clicks actually helped. :-(

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 11:40 AM, Dave Durber wrote:

Kevin:

If you are using the JAWS laptop keyboard layout, pressing CAPS LOCK+LEFT, PARENTHESIS, is the left mouse click, pressing CAPS LOCK+RIGHT PARENTHESIS, is the right mouse click.

HTH

Dave Durber

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Minor" <kminor65@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Hi.

If you're using a numeric keypad for your JAWS control, it's the key to the left of the JAWS key.

I'm not sure how to do it with the laptop setup.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 2:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Oh! I almost forgot, if num lock is turned off, you can also do a right click by pressing the star key or asterisk key on the numeric key pad.

Gene...


On 8/5/2022 2:05 PM, Madison Martin wrote:

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me how to do a right click using Jaws? Someone told me
that it’s alt enter but I tried that and I don’t think it worked.
Since I don’t have any vision I’ve never had to use a mouse so I’ve
never had to learn how to do the functions of a mouse using Jaws. I
have multiple entries of this account when I go into my folder list in
Outlook; I find this rather annoying as I don’t have that with the
other account that I have connected to Outlook so I’d really like to
get rid of the other entries for this account as whenever I open
Outlook it opens the inbox for one of the other entries instead of
this inbox which is rather annoying. I asked on another list and I was
told by multiple people that there’s an option to remove these other
entries but when I bring up the context menu the remove option doesn’t
show up so someone suggested that I try doing a right click to see if
that brings up the option. Someone suggested to call the Microsoft
Disability help desk but since I know that other visually impaired
people can access the remove option I think that I should be able too
as well without calling them for help; if anyone has any other ideas
of how I could try and access this option then I’d love to hear them
as long as it isn’t to remove and add my account again as I did that
once as I accidently removed it when removing another account and when
I added it again all of my contacts were gone so I’m not going through
that again. Using latest versions of Jaws, Microsoft 365 and Windows
11; thanks for any suggestions that anyone can provide me!

Madison

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the default was OFF.

But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer the case in practice.  That's why I wish the default were changed.

But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker changes them.  I hate some of them and love others.  'Twas ever thus!
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

Again, your rudeness is quite apparent And you come across as very eragant.  I hope the admins of this list are paying attention to the way you treat others.  At this point, I will not be responding back to you regarding your bad behavior but I will be praying for you.

Laura

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:03 PM, Laura Richardson wrote:

And Brian's response to you by stating "you're not paying attention" and his poor attitude and rudeness towards many others on this list is quite unnecessary.

-
Yes, inconvenient statements of truth are sometimes hard to take.  But those of us who wish to learn take them on board.

If you think that saying someone has not been paying attention, when they have not, in fact been paying attention based upon what they've said, is rude, well, that's your problem, and I have no intention of making it mine.

My contributions here stand on their own, thank you very much.  I don't really seek, or need, your approval or that of anyone else.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:19 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
See what I mean, its so confusing!
-
Well, I haven't been an active JAWS user for a couple years now since funding for tutoring dried up pre-pandemic, so it's easy to get things mixed up.
I do know that under NVDA they just call it the virtual buffer/cursor, and since it is the screen reader itself that virtually buffers actual screen content, I made what may be the incorrect presumption that JAWS = virtual in JAWS parlance.
But there are really only two buffers:  the virtual one that the screen reader operates upon in memory, and the "real" one that the computer uses to actually present things on-screen.
--
Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:03 PM, Laura Richardson wrote:

And Brian's response to you by stating "you're not paying attention" and his poor attitude and rudeness towards many others on this list is quite unnecessary.

-
Yes, inconvenient statements of truth are sometimes hard to take.  But those of us who wish to learn take them on board.

If you think that saying someone has not been paying attention, when they have not, in fact been paying attention based upon what they've said, is rude, well, that's your problem, and I have no intention of making it mine.

My contributions here stand on their own, thank you very much.  I don't really seek, or need, your approval or that of anyone else.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall