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locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Your a lost cause...

On 5/15/2017 10:06 PM, James Homuth wrote:
Then pay attention to what you're typing, or use a password manager.
Seriously, people who's only problem is mobility issues or bad typing seem
to do just fine. Why does blindness suddenly mean they can't?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Jaws will not voice the characters as you type in a password field. So if
you have issues with motor function or just a really bad type you dont know
if you typed the wrong letter. Until you get the entered invalid password
error. and a lot of sites block you after 3 failures...
I can see how this would be frustrating for someone with this issue.
On 5/15/2017 9:46 PM, James Homuth wrote:
So why can't you start over if you've pressed the wrong keys now?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

yes, thats what win eyes does. it still shows stars on the screen but
will speak the keys i press. so i can at least start over if i press
the wrong keys.
as i said i am at home with only me, myself and i.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I dont think he wants his password in clear text. I think he wants
Jaws to echo the characters as he types them. The screen would still
show stars and the speech history would also... It really isnt as big
a deal as you all seem to think.
On 5/15/2017 9:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
What he means is that the iPhone of course will echo the character as
you first touch it, once you lift your finger and it is typed it
will say bullet or whatever it is it says, but obviously with a touch
screen you do need to know what letter you are on. Theoretically if
you didn't have a headset and somebody was standing next to you and
was paying attention they could remember what they hear, but it's
pretty easy in such a situation to swipe your finger around the
screen a bit so Voiceover speaks multiple letters of numbers before
you enter the one you want. I guess you can use a headset with Jaws,
but what he wants is for the password to be "visible" and that is not
at all the same as the iPhone saying what letter you are on because
as soon as you type the password it does not read/echo it back and it
is not visible on the screen. If you want to compare the iPhone
saying what character you touch when you first touch it that would be
like somebody
watching over your shoulder what keys you press on a keyboard.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Um. My iPhone has never once spoken a password to me. If yours is,
that's probably a broken thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-15-17 11:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Again people who use Jaws often have other disabilities that make
things hard for them to do... Acting as if they are being
unreasonable or ignorant in there wants is not helpful to anyone...
If they need to hear the characters it is not your or my place to
question them...
Jaws could read the characters without having them visible in speech
history. I don't see this as a issue if the person is alone or
doesn't care if the person with them hears the code. I Phone's speak
the passwords no matter what you want no one is saying don't use
IPhones
because of it...
On 5/15/2017 8:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially
result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't see it why
should we hear it? This is one situation where I think it is our
responsibility to improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter
a password. Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about
Jaws speech history could bring that up and see if they can't find a
passsword in there.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have
the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will
then reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it
for obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to
enter it again. I assume other password managers have a similar
feature, but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.





























locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

James Homuth
 

It really isn't that hard to pay attention to what you're typing. It may
require you slow down a little, but that's hardly world ending. And
absolutely none of the websites that will potentially lock you out after 3
attempts have a restriction in place that says you have 45 seconds to enter
your password.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: May-16-17 1:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

In my opinion your being rude James! Just because someone needs a feature
you don't doesn't mean he needs a hand holder! Put yourself in his
situation.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James
Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Actually, if you want to take me literally, when he types, the screen shows
***. So, when he types, JAWS reads ***. So yes, JAWS is in this context
literally being a screen reader. Now, if he wanted a hand holder as opposed
to a screen reader, that's another discussion.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

LOL thats his complaint it isnt saying what he types. In this case it is a
non screen reader.
On 5/15/2017 9:46 PM, James Homuth wrote:
Good for you. I do the same thing with very similar results. But this
is not corporate level security. This is pay attention to what you're
typing. It's there to read the screen, not hold your hand. Hence,
screen
reader.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Whats the security risk in this guys situation? Or does everyone have
to use corporate/government level security I have never got one virus
or have had my PC hacked in over 20yrs. I turn off windows firewall
configure my router and I download torrents and go on all kinds of
sites... Common sense works better than having a nanny mentality
controlling all your PC choices...
Just my experiences and opinions... :) n 5/15/2017 9:28 PM, James
Homuth wrote:
Every modern screenreader has done away with that option for security
reasons. The chances of it coming back are slim to none. Heck, even
everyone's favourite JAWS alternative doesn't do that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

jaws should still have the option to speak the keys you press just
like win eyes does.
then people like me who do not work and are home alone 24/7 should
have this option.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't
see it why should we hear it?
This is one situation where I think it is our responsibility to
improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter a password.
Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about Jaws speech
history could bring that up and see if they can't find a passsword in
there.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will
then reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to enter
it again. I assume other password managers have a similar feature,
but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

























locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Put yourself in his place while re reading the thread how helpful would you find it? Would you feel like people where listening and wanted to help you If you are honest with yourself you might get another perspective on this thread...?

On 5/15/2017 10:01 PM, Dave... wrote:
Okay, then what do you want us to do? And why not let him speak for himself?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <randy@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 21:56
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?


Jaws will not voice the characters as you type in a password field. So
if you have issues with motor function or just a really bad type you
dont know if you typed the wrong letter. Until you get the entered
invalid password error. and a lot of sites block you after 3 failures...
I can see how this would be frustrating for someone with this issue.
On 5/15/2017 9:46 PM, James Homuth wrote:
So why can't you start over if you've pressed the wrong keys now?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

yes, thats what win eyes does. it still shows stars on the screen but
will
speak the keys i press. so i can at least start over if i press the wrong
keys.
as i said i am at home with only me, myself and i.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I dont think he wants his password in clear text. I think he wants Jaws to
echo the characters as he types them. The screen would still show stars
and
the speech history would also... It really isnt as big a deal as you all
seem to think.
On 5/15/2017 9:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
What he means is that the iPhone of course will echo the character as
you first touch it, once you lift your finger and it is typed it will
say bullet or whatever it is it says, but obviously with a touch
screen you do need to know what letter you are on. Theoretically if
you didn't have a headset and somebody was standing next to you and
was paying attention they could remember what they hear, but it's
pretty easy in such a situation to swipe your finger around the screen
a bit so Voiceover speaks multiple letters of numbers before you enter
the one you want. I guess you can use a headset with Jaws, but what he
wants is for the password to be "visible" and that is not at all the
same as the iPhone saying what letter you are on because as soon as
you type the password it does not read/echo it back and it is not
visible on the screen. If you want to compare the iPhone saying what
character you touch when you first touch it that would be like somebody
watching over your shoulder what keys you press on a keyboard.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Um. My iPhone has never once spoken a password to me. If yours is,
that's probably a broken thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-15-17 11:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Again people who use Jaws often have other disabilities that make
things hard for them to do... Acting as if they are being unreasonable
or ignorant in there wants is not helpful to anyone... If they need to
hear the characters it is not your or my place to question them...
Jaws could read the characters without having them visible in speech
history. I don't see this as a issue if the person is alone or doesn't
care if the person with them hears the code. I Phone's speak the
passwords no matter what you want no one is saying don't use IPhones
because of it...
On 5/15/2017 8:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially
result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't see it why
should we hear it? This is one situation where I think it is our
responsibility to improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter a
password. Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about
Jaws speech history could bring that up and see if they can't find a
passsword in there.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have
the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will
then reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to enter
it again. I assume other password managers have a similar feature,
but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.




























locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

James Homuth
 

Then pay attention to what you're typing, or use a password manager.
Seriously, people who's only problem is mobility issues or bad typing seem
to do just fine. Why does blindness suddenly mean they can't?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Jaws will not voice the characters as you type in a password field. So if
you have issues with motor function or just a really bad type you dont know
if you typed the wrong letter. Until you get the entered invalid password
error. and a lot of sites block you after 3 failures...
I can see how this would be frustrating for someone with this issue.
On 5/15/2017 9:46 PM, James Homuth wrote:
So why can't you start over if you've pressed the wrong keys now?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

yes, thats what win eyes does. it still shows stars on the screen but
will speak the keys i press. so i can at least start over if i press
the wrong keys.
as i said i am at home with only me, myself and i.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I dont think he wants his password in clear text. I think he wants
Jaws to echo the characters as he types them. The screen would still
show stars and the speech history would also... It really isnt as big
a deal as you all seem to think.
On 5/15/2017 9:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
What he means is that the iPhone of course will echo the character as
you first touch it, once you lift your finger and it is typed it
will say bullet or whatever it is it says, but obviously with a touch
screen you do need to know what letter you are on. Theoretically if
you didn't have a headset and somebody was standing next to you and
was paying attention they could remember what they hear, but it's
pretty easy in such a situation to swipe your finger around the
screen a bit so Voiceover speaks multiple letters of numbers before
you enter the one you want. I guess you can use a headset with Jaws,
but what he wants is for the password to be "visible" and that is not
at all the same as the iPhone saying what letter you are on because
as soon as you type the password it does not read/echo it back and it
is not visible on the screen. If you want to compare the iPhone
saying what character you touch when you first touch it that would be
like somebody
watching over your shoulder what keys you press on a keyboard.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Um. My iPhone has never once spoken a password to me. If yours is,
that's probably a broken thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-15-17 11:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Again people who use Jaws often have other disabilities that make
things hard for them to do... Acting as if they are being
unreasonable or ignorant in there wants is not helpful to anyone...
If they need to hear the characters it is not your or my place to
question them...
Jaws could read the characters without having them visible in speech
history. I don't see this as a issue if the person is alone or
doesn't care if the person with them hears the code. I Phone's speak
the passwords no matter what you want no one is saying don't use
IPhones
because of it...
On 5/15/2017 8:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially
result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't see it why
should we hear it? This is one situation where I think it is our
responsibility to improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter
a password. Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about
Jaws speech history could bring that up and see if they can't find a
passsword in there.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have
the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will
then reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it
for obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to
enter it again. I assume other password managers have a similar
feature, but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.




























locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

We are a community of people with disabilities. Some have multiple disabilities. So what is up with this attitude?: "

Now, if he wanted a hand holder as opposed

to a screen reader, that's another discussion"

On 5/15/2017 10:00 PM, James Homuth wrote:
Actually, if you want to take me literally, when he types, the screen shows
***. So, when he types, JAWS reads ***. So yes, JAWS is in this context
literally being a screen reader. Now, if he wanted a hand holder as opposed
to a screen reader, that's another discussion.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

LOL thats his complaint it isnt saying what he types. In this case it is a
non screen reader.
On 5/15/2017 9:46 PM, James Homuth wrote:
Good for you. I do the same thing with very similar results. But this
is not corporate level security. This is pay attention to what you're
typing. It's there to read the screen, not hold your hand. Hence, screen
reader.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Whats the security risk in this guys situation? Or does everyone have
to use corporate/government level security I have never got one virus
or have had my PC hacked in over 20yrs. I turn off windows firewall
configure my router and I download torrents and go on all kinds of
sites... Common sense works better than having a nanny mentality
controlling all your PC choices...
Just my experiences and opinions... :) n 5/15/2017 9:28 PM, James
Homuth wrote:
Every modern screenreader has done away with that option for security
reasons. The chances of it coming back are slim to none. Heck, even
everyone's favourite JAWS alternative doesn't do that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

jaws should still have the option to speak the keys you press just
like win eyes does.
then people like me who do not work and are home alone 24/7 should
have this option.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't
see it why should we hear it?
This is one situation where I think it is our responsibility to
improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter a password.
Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about Jaws speech
history could bring that up and see if they can't find a passsword in
there.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will
then reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to enter
it again. I assume other password managers have a similar feature,
but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.



























locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Dave...
 

Okay, then what do you want us to do? And why not let him speak for himself?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <randy@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 21:56
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?


Jaws will not voice the characters as you type in a password field. So
if you have issues with motor function or just a really bad type you
dont know if you typed the wrong letter. Until you get the entered
invalid password error. and a lot of sites block you after 3 failures...
I can see how this would be frustrating for someone with this issue.
On 5/15/2017 9:46 PM, James Homuth wrote:
So why can't you start over if you've pressed the wrong keys now?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

yes, thats what win eyes does. it still shows stars on the screen but
will
speak the keys i press. so i can at least start over if i press the wrong
keys.
as i said i am at home with only me, myself and i.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I dont think he wants his password in clear text. I think he wants Jaws to
echo the characters as he types them. The screen would still show stars
and
the speech history would also... It really isnt as big a deal as you all
seem to think.
On 5/15/2017 9:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
What he means is that the iPhone of course will echo the character as
you first touch it, once you lift your finger and it is typed it will
say bullet or whatever it is it says, but obviously with a touch
screen you do need to know what letter you are on. Theoretically if
you didn't have a headset and somebody was standing next to you and
was paying attention they could remember what they hear, but it's
pretty easy in such a situation to swipe your finger around the screen
a bit so Voiceover speaks multiple letters of numbers before you enter
the one you want. I guess you can use a headset with Jaws, but what he
wants is for the password to be "visible" and that is not at all the
same as the iPhone saying what letter you are on because as soon as
you type the password it does not read/echo it back and it is not
visible on the screen. If you want to compare the iPhone saying what
character you touch when you first touch it that would be like somebody
watching over your shoulder what keys you press on a keyboard.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Um. My iPhone has never once spoken a password to me. If yours is,
that's probably a broken thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-15-17 11:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Again people who use Jaws often have other disabilities that make
things hard for them to do... Acting as if they are being unreasonable
or ignorant in there wants is not helpful to anyone... If they need to
hear the characters it is not your or my place to question them...
Jaws could read the characters without having them visible in speech
history. I don't see this as a issue if the person is alone or doesn't
care if the person with them hears the code. I Phone's speak the
passwords no matter what you want no one is saying don't use IPhones
because of it...
On 5/15/2017 8:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially
result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't see it why
should we hear it? This is one situation where I think it is our
responsibility to improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter a
password. Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about
Jaws speech history could bring that up and see if they can't find a
passsword in there.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have
the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will
then reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to enter
it again. I assume other password managers have a similar feature,
but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.




























locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

In my opinion your being rude James! Just because someone needs a feature
you don't doesn't mean he needs a hand holder! Put yourself in his
situation.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James
Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 1:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Actually, if you want to take me literally, when he types, the screen shows
***. So, when he types, JAWS reads ***. So yes, JAWS is in this context
literally being a screen reader. Now, if he wanted a hand holder as opposed
to a screen reader, that's another discussion.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

LOL thats his complaint it isnt saying what he types. In this case it is a
non screen reader.
On 5/15/2017 9:46 PM, James Homuth wrote:
Good for you. I do the same thing with very similar results. But this
is not corporate level security. This is pay attention to what you're
typing. It's there to read the screen, not hold your hand. Hence,
screen
reader.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Whats the security risk in this guys situation? Or does everyone have
to use corporate/government level security I have never got one virus
or have had my PC hacked in over 20yrs. I turn off windows firewall
configure my router and I download torrents and go on all kinds of
sites... Common sense works better than having a nanny mentality
controlling all your PC choices...
Just my experiences and opinions... :) n 5/15/2017 9:28 PM, James
Homuth wrote:
Every modern screenreader has done away with that option for security
reasons. The chances of it coming back are slim to none. Heck, even
everyone's favourite JAWS alternative doesn't do that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

jaws should still have the option to speak the keys you press just
like win eyes does.
then people like me who do not work and are home alone 24/7 should
have this option.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't
see it why should we hear it?
This is one situation where I think it is our responsibility to
improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter a password.
Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about Jaws speech
history could bring that up and see if they can't find a passsword in
there.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will
then reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to enter
it again. I assume other password managers have a similar feature,
but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

























locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Others could suggest it as an option as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:43 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

What else can others do? Not act as if he is wrong in wanting this feature that is all I am saying On 5/15/2017 9:36 PM, Dave... wrote:
Randy,

Fine. Just let him speak his own mind. If he really feels it's an
access issue, let him contact VFO directly and make the request. What
else can others do?


Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <randy@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 21:28
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?


This is all he was asking for and you all had all this to say about
how it was a bad idea... :(

On 5/15/2017 9:23 PM, netbat66 wrote:
jaws should still have the option to speak the keys you press just
like win eyes does.
then people like me who do not work and are home alone 24/7 should
have this option.

-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't
see it why should we hear it? This is one situation where I think it
is our responsibility to improve our typing skills so we can reliably
enter a password. Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows
about Jaws speech history could bring that up and see if they can't
find a passsword in there.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will
then reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to enter
it again. I assume other password managers have a similar feature,
but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.





















locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

James Homuth
 

Actually, if you want to take me literally, when he types, the screen shows
***. So, when he types, JAWS reads ***. So yes, JAWS is in this context
literally being a screen reader. Now, if he wanted a hand holder as opposed
to a screen reader, that's another discussion.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

LOL thats his complaint it isnt saying what he types. In this case it is a
non screen reader.
On 5/15/2017 9:46 PM, James Homuth wrote:
Good for you. I do the same thing with very similar results. But this
is not corporate level security. This is pay attention to what you're
typing. It's there to read the screen, not hold your hand. Hence, screen
reader.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Whats the security risk in this guys situation? Or does everyone have
to use corporate/government level security I have never got one virus
or have had my PC hacked in over 20yrs. I turn off windows firewall
configure my router and I download torrents and go on all kinds of
sites... Common sense works better than having a nanny mentality
controlling all your PC choices...
Just my experiences and opinions... :) n 5/15/2017 9:28 PM, James
Homuth wrote:
Every modern screenreader has done away with that option for security
reasons. The chances of it coming back are slim to none. Heck, even
everyone's favourite JAWS alternative doesn't do that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

jaws should still have the option to speak the keys you press just
like win eyes does.
then people like me who do not work and are home alone 24/7 should
have this option.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't
see it why should we hear it?
This is one situation where I think it is our responsibility to
improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter a password.
Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about Jaws speech
history could bring that up and see if they can't find a passsword in
there.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will
then reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to enter
it again. I assume other password managers have a similar feature,
but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.

























Re: need some thunderbird help

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Hi, could you repost what to turn off and on with Thunderbird in the options? Also does Jaws have scripts for thunderbird?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 12:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: need some thunderbird help

Unfortunately imap will sink all your messages. I am not sure of a way to set a cutoff date... SorryOn 5/15/2017 9:43 PM, Jed Barton wrote:
Hey guys,
OK, i am setting up thunderbird with jfw 18. I typed in my gmail
info. So here's what seems to be the problem. Thunderbird is set to
imap. I have all my mail in my inbox, and it seems to be downloading
thousands of messages. Is this supposed to happen? How do i tell it
to just start downloading from now on if this makes sense. Any ideas?



locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Jaws will not voice the characters as you type in a password field. So if you have issues with motor function or just a really bad type you dont know if you typed the wrong letter. Until you get the entered invalid password error. and a lot of sites block you after 3 failures... I can see how this would be frustrating for someone with this issue.

On 5/15/2017 9:46 PM, James Homuth wrote:
So why can't you start over if you've pressed the wrong keys now?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

yes, thats what win eyes does. it still shows stars on the screen but will
speak the keys i press. so i can at least start over if i press the wrong
keys.
as i said i am at home with only me, myself and i.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I dont think he wants his password in clear text. I think he wants Jaws to
echo the characters as he types them. The screen would still show stars and
the speech history would also... It really isnt as big a deal as you all
seem to think.
On 5/15/2017 9:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
What he means is that the iPhone of course will echo the character as
you first touch it, once you lift your finger and it is typed it will
say bullet or whatever it is it says, but obviously with a touch
screen you do need to know what letter you are on. Theoretically if
you didn't have a headset and somebody was standing next to you and
was paying attention they could remember what they hear, but it's
pretty easy in such a situation to swipe your finger around the screen
a bit so Voiceover speaks multiple letters of numbers before you enter
the one you want. I guess you can use a headset with Jaws, but what he
wants is for the password to be "visible" and that is not at all the
same as the iPhone saying what letter you are on because as soon as
you type the password it does not read/echo it back and it is not
visible on the screen. If you want to compare the iPhone saying what
character you touch when you first touch it that would be like somebody
watching over your shoulder what keys you press on a keyboard.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Um. My iPhone has never once spoken a password to me. If yours is,
that's probably a broken thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-15-17 11:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Again people who use Jaws often have other disabilities that make
things hard for them to do... Acting as if they are being unreasonable
or ignorant in there wants is not helpful to anyone... If they need to
hear the characters it is not your or my place to question them...
Jaws could read the characters without having them visible in speech
history. I don't see this as a issue if the person is alone or doesn't
care if the person with them hears the code. I Phone's speak the
passwords no matter what you want no one is saying don't use IPhones
because of it...
On 5/15/2017 8:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially
result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't see it why
should we hear it? This is one situation where I think it is our
responsibility to improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter a
password. Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about
Jaws speech history could bring that up and see if they can't find a
passsword in there.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have
the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will
then reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to enter
it again. I assume other password managers have a similar feature,
but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.



























locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

LOL thats his complaint it isnt saying what he types. In this case it is a non screen reader.

On 5/15/2017 9:46 PM, James Homuth wrote:
Good for you. I do the same thing with very similar results. But this is not
corporate level security. This is pay attention to what you're typing. It's
there to read the screen, not hold your hand. Hence, screen reader.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Whats the security risk in this guys situation? Or does everyone have to use
corporate/government level security I have never got one virus or have had
my PC hacked in over 20yrs. I turn off windows firewall configure my router
and I download torrents and go on all kinds of sites... Common sense works
better than having a nanny mentality controlling all your PC choices...
Just my experiences and opinions... :)
n 5/15/2017 9:28 PM, James Homuth wrote:
Every modern screenreader has done away with that option for security
reasons. The chances of it coming back are slim to none. Heck, even
everyone's favourite JAWS alternative doesn't do that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

jaws should still have the option to speak the keys you press just
like win eyes does.
then people like me who do not work and are home alone 24/7 should
have this option.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't see
it why should we hear it?
This is one situation where I think it is our responsibility to
improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter a password. Imagine
if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about Jaws speech history
could bring that up and see if they can't find a passsword in there.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will then
reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to enter
it again. I assume other password managers have a similar feature,
but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.
























Re: need some thunderbird help

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Unfortunately imap will sink all your messages. I am not sure of a way to set a cutoff date... SorryOn 5/15/2017 9:43 PM, Jed Barton wrote:

Hey guys,
OK, i am setting up thunderbird with jfw 18. I typed in my gmail
info. So here's what seems to be the problem. Thunderbird is set to
imap. I have all my mail in my inbox, and it seems to be downloading
thousands of messages. Is this supposed to happen? How do i tell it
to just start downloading from now on if this makes sense. Any ideas?


need some thunderbird help

Jeff Christiansen
 

Is this the initial synchronization routine?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: need some thunderbird help

Hey guys,
OK, i am setting up thunderbird with jfw 18. I typed in my gmail info. So
here's what seems to be the problem. Thunderbird is set to imap. I have all
my mail in my inbox, and it seems to be downloading thousands of messages. Is
this supposed to happen? How do i tell it to just start downloading from now
on if this makes sense. Any ideas?


locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

James Homuth
 

So why can't you start over if you've pressed the wrong keys now?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

yes, thats what win eyes does. it still shows stars on the screen but will
speak the keys i press. so i can at least start over if i press the wrong
keys.
as i said i am at home with only me, myself and i.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I dont think he wants his password in clear text. I think he wants Jaws to
echo the characters as he types them. The screen would still show stars and
the speech history would also... It really isnt as big a deal as you all
seem to think.
On 5/15/2017 9:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
What he means is that the iPhone of course will echo the character as
you first touch it, once you lift your finger and it is typed it will
say bullet or whatever it is it says, but obviously with a touch
screen you do need to know what letter you are on. Theoretically if
you didn't have a headset and somebody was standing next to you and
was paying attention they could remember what they hear, but it's
pretty easy in such a situation to swipe your finger around the screen
a bit so Voiceover speaks multiple letters of numbers before you enter
the one you want. I guess you can use a headset with Jaws, but what he
wants is for the password to be "visible" and that is not at all the
same as the iPhone saying what letter you are on because as soon as
you type the password it does not read/echo it back and it is not
visible on the screen. If you want to compare the iPhone saying what
character you touch when you first touch it that would be like somebody
watching over your shoulder what keys you press on a keyboard.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Um. My iPhone has never once spoken a password to me. If yours is,
that's probably a broken thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: May-15-17 11:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Again people who use Jaws often have other disabilities that make
things hard for them to do... Acting as if they are being unreasonable
or ignorant in there wants is not helpful to anyone... If they need to
hear the characters it is not your or my place to question them...
Jaws could read the characters without having them visible in speech
history. I don't see this as a issue if the person is alone or doesn't
care if the person with them hears the code. I Phone's speak the
passwords no matter what you want no one is saying don't use IPhones
because of it...
On 5/15/2017 8:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially
result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't see it why
should we hear it? This is one situation where I think it is our
responsibility to improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter a
password. Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about
Jaws speech history could bring that up and see if they can't find a
passsword in there.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have
the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will
then reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to enter
it again. I assume other password managers have a similar feature,
but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.





















locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

James Homuth
 

Good for you. I do the same thing with very similar results. But this is not
corporate level security. This is pay attention to what you're typing. It's
there to read the screen, not hold your hand. Hence, screen reader.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: May-16-17 12:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Whats the security risk in this guys situation? Or does everyone have to use
corporate/government level security I have never got one virus or have had
my PC hacked in over 20yrs. I turn off windows firewall configure my router
and I download torrents and go on all kinds of sites... Common sense works
better than having a nanny mentality controlling all your PC choices...
Just my experiences and opinions... :)
n 5/15/2017 9:28 PM, James Homuth wrote:
Every modern screenreader has done away with that option for security
reasons. The chances of it coming back are slim to none. Heck, even
everyone's favourite JAWS alternative doesn't do that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

jaws should still have the option to speak the keys you press just
like win eyes does.
then people like me who do not work and are home alone 24/7 should
have this option.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't see
it why should we hear it?
This is one situation where I think it is our responsibility to
improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter a password. Imagine
if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about Jaws speech history
could bring that up and see if they can't find a passsword in there.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will then
reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to enter
it again. I assume other password managers have a similar feature,
but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.





















need some thunderbird help

Jed Barton
 

Hey guys,
OK, i am setting up thunderbird with jfw 18. I typed in my gmail
info. So here's what seems to be the problem. Thunderbird is set to
imap. I have all my mail in my inbox, and it seems to be downloading
thousands of messages. Is this supposed to happen? How do i tell it
to just start downloading from now on if this makes sense. Any ideas?


locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

What else can others do? Not act as if he is wrong in wanting this feature that is all I am saying

On 5/15/2017 9:36 PM, Dave... wrote:
Randy,

Fine. Just let him speak his own mind. If he really feels it's an access
issue, let him contact VFO directly and make the request. What else can
others do?


Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Barnett" <randy@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 21:28
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?


This is all he was asking for and you all had all this to say about how
it was a bad idea... :(

On 5/15/2017 9:23 PM, netbat66 wrote:
jaws should still have the option to speak the keys you press just
like win eyes does.
then people like me who do not work and are home alone 24/7 should
have this option.

-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't see
it why should we hear it? This is one situation where I think it is
our responsibility to improve our typing skills so we can reliably
enter a password. Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows
about Jaws speech history could bring that up and see if they can't
find a passsword in there.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may
include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen
reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before you
are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will then
reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback or
if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what you
describe is probably the best solution, type the password in Notepad
and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a password
manager which would fill the user name and password field for you once
a password has been saved, but here you still have to enter a master
password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is that the master
password is the same for all passwords and at least with Roboform you
can specify a time interval during which the passwords stay unlocked,
e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3 hours after you enter the
master password you wouldn't have to enter it again. I assume other
password managers have a similar feature, but I can't be sure since I
have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.




















locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

netbat66
 

yes, thats what win eyes does. it still shows stars on the screen but will speak the keys i press. so i can at least start over if i press the wrong keys.
as i said i am at home with only me, myself and i.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I dont think he wants his password in clear text. I think he wants Jaws
to echo the characters as he types them. The screen would still show
stars and the speech history would also... It really isnt as big a deal
as you all seem to think.
On 5/15/2017 9:08 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
What he means is that the iPhone of course will echo the character as you first touch it, once you lift your finger and it is typed it will say bullet or whatever it is it says, but obviously with a touch screen you do need to know what letter you are on. Theoretically if you didn't have a headset and somebody was standing next to you and was paying attention they could remember what they hear, but it's pretty easy in such a situation to swipe your finger around the screen a bit so Voiceover speaks multiple letters of numbers before you enter the one you want. I guess you can use a headset with Jaws, but what he wants is for the password to be "visible" and that is not at all the same as the iPhone saying what letter you are on because as soon as you type the password it does not read/echo it back and it is not visible on the screen. If you want to compare the iPhone saying what character you touch when you first touch it that would be like somebody watching over your shoulder what keys you press on a keyboard.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Um. My iPhone has never once spoken a password to me. If yours is, that's probably a broken thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: May-15-17 11:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Again people who use Jaws often have other disabilities that make things hard for them to do... Acting as if they are being unreasonable or ignorant in there wants is not helpful to anyone... If they need to hear the characters it is not your or my place to question them... Jaws could read the characters without having them visible in speech history. I don't see this as a issue if the person is alone or doesn't care if the person with them hears the code. I Phone's speak the passwords no matter what you want no one is saying don't use IPhones because of it...
On 5/15/2017 8:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could
potentially
result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't see it why should we hear it? This is one situation where I think it is our responsibility to improve our typing skills so we can reliably enter a password. Imagine if it were in clear text, anybody who knows about Jaws speech history could bring that up and see if they can't find a passsword in there.
Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously
have
the code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may include the best of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before
you are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will then
reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback
or if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what
you describe is probably the best solution, type the password in
Notepad and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a
password manager which would fill the user name and password field
for you once a password has been saved, but here you still have to
enter a master password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is
that the master password is the same for all passwords and at least
with Roboform you can specify a time interval during which the
passwords stay unlocked, e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3
hours after you enter the master password you wouldn't have to enter
it again. I assume other password managers have a similar feature,
but I can't be sure since I have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



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locked Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Whats the security risk in this guys situation? Or does everyone have to use corporate/government level security
I have never got one virus or have had my PC hacked in over 20yrs. I turn off windows firewall configure my router and I download torrents and go on all kinds of sites... Common sense works better than having a nanny mentality controlling all your PC choices...
Just my experiences and opinions... :)
n 5/15/2017 9:28 PM, James Homuth wrote:

Every modern screenreader has done away with that option for security
reasons. The chances of it coming back are slim to none. Heck, even
everyone's favourite JAWS alternative doesn't do that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of netbat66
Sent: May-16-17 12:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

jaws should still have the option to speak the keys you press just like win
eyes does.
then people like me who do not work and are home alone 24/7 should have this
option.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

I think allowing to make the password visible/audible could potentially
result in many issues, after all, sighted people can't see it why should we
hear it?
This is one situation where I think it is our responsibility to improve our
typing skills so we can reliably enter a password. Imagine if it were in
clear text, anybody who knows about Jaws speech history could bring that up
and see if they can't find a passsword in there.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy
Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

Maybe you can ask VFO to add this feature to Jaws as they obviously have the
code from Window Eyes. If they get enough feedback they may include the best
of window eyes into jaws and give us a better screen reader...
I can hope. :)
On 5/15/2017 8:07 PM, netbat66 wrote:
i already don't like jaws. window eyes has the option to speak the
passwords you type in.
too bad its gone.
i am alone unless a ghost is listening in.
i am a 2 finger /two thumbed typer. grin.
most sites only give you 3 chances to type in your password before you
are locked out.


-----Original Message----- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 7:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?

On very few occasions I see a password field where there is a "Show"
button or something along those lines which if you click it will then
reveal the password. But most password fields don't have it for
obvious security reasons and in those cases you can't make the
password visible or make it so you hear the characters instead of
"star". If you aren't confident enough to type without the feedback or
if another physical problem prevents you from doing so then what you
describe is probably the best solution, type the password in Notepad
and copy and paste it. As an alternative you could use a password
manager which would fill the user name and password field for you once
a password has been saved, but here you still have to enter a master
password to unlock the saved password. Only thing is that the master
password is the same for all passwords and at least with Roboform you
can specify a time interval during which the passwords stay unlocked,
e.g. if you set it to 3 hours then for 3 hours after you enter the
master password you wouldn't have to enter it again. I assume other
password managers have a similar feature, but I can't be sure since I
have only ever used Roboform.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 2:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 18 and password fields?

can password fields be changed so i can hear what i type in?
if i can't i would have to type them in notepad and paste them into
the fields.



There's amazing intelligence in the Universe.
You can tell because none of them ever called Earth.