Maybe it's my older windows 10, but I can do windows X and up arrow twice to shut down.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, August 08, 2022 1:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer
The only way I know of to get to the actual Power Button in the Windows 10 start menu is:
1. Hit Windows Key, then Tab.
2. Down Arrow 5 times, hit Enter.
3. Choose which of the options in the Power Menu you wish.
If there's a faster and more direct one in Windows 10, I'd love to hear it.
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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*   ~ Lauren Bacall

The only way I know of to get to the actual Power Button in the Windows 10 start menu is:
1. Hit Windows Key, then Tab.
2. Down Arrow 5 times, hit Enter.
3. Choose which of the options in the Power Menu you wish.
If there's a faster and more direct one in Windows 10, I'd love to hear it.
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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

Try up-arrow after pressing the Windows key.  Then, maybe, a left or right.
On 8/8/2022 10:36 AM, Gene Warner wrote:

The last version of Windows that had shutdown on the start menu was Window 7, pressing the windows key in Windows 10 gets you the search box.

Gene...

On 8/8/2022 11:30 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Strangely, alt + F4 only works for me when I'm actually focused on the
desktop, even with all other things closed out, alt + F4 does nothing here
until I do windows M, then I can alt F4 to close windows.
So sometimes I just tap the windows key and left arrow to shutdown and
enter.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer


Alt+F4 is what I do, for one thing you don't have to first locate the
shortcut to use it so it's much quicker.

Gene...

On 8/8/2022 11:14 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:

Greetings:

This information is very much appreciated. However, I have to wonder if
it wouldn’t be easier, since you’re going to the Desktop anyway, simply
to press Alt F4 and then select the Press Enter (since Shutdown is the
default choice here).

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, August 08, 2022 9:14 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer

1. Go to the desktop and make certain no item has focus. Then bring up
the context menu, whether by SHIFT+F10 or the Applications/Context Menu
key, and select New, Shortcut from that menu.

2. In the Create Shortcut dialog that comes up, in the "Type the
location of the item" edit box, enter: C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe
/s /r /t 5

then activate the Next button.

3. In the Type a name for this shortcut edit box, enter the name of your
choosing. I tend to just call it something like "Restart in 5 seconds."

4. Activate the Finish button, which will place the shortcut using the
name you choose on your desktop.


If you were to want that restart to begin immediately, with no option to
cancel, then change that 5 to a zero. That, or get rid of the "/t 5"
entirely and substitute it with "/l".

--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall

The last version of Windows that had shutdown on the start menu was Window 7, pressing the windows key in Windows 10 gets you the search box.

Gene...

On 8/8/2022 11:30 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Strangely, alt + F4 only works for me when I'm actually focused on the
desktop, even with all other things closed out, alt + F4 does nothing here
until I do windows M, then I can alt F4 to close windows.
So sometimes I just tap the windows key and left arrow to shutdown and
enter.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer


Alt+F4 is what I do, for one thing you don't have to first locate the
shortcut to use it so it's much quicker.

Gene...

On 8/8/2022 11:14 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:

Greetings:

This information is very much appreciated. However, I have to wonder if
it wouldn’t be easier, since you’re going to the Desktop anyway, simply
to press Alt F4 and then select the Press Enter (since Shutdown is the
default choice here).

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, August 08, 2022 9:14 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer

1. Go to the desktop and make certain no item has focus. Then bring up
the context menu, whether by SHIFT+F10 or the Applications/Context Menu
key, and select New, Shortcut from that menu.

2. In the Create Shortcut dialog that comes up, in the "Type the
location of the item" edit box, enter: C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe
/s /r /t 5

then activate the Next button.

3. In the Type a name for this shortcut edit box, enter the name of your
choosing. I tend to just call it something like "Restart in 5 seconds."

4. Activate the Finish button, which will place the shortcut using the
name you choose on your desktop.


If you were to want that restart to begin immediately, with no option to
cancel, then change that 5 to a zero. That, or get rid of the "/t 5"
entirely and substitute it with "/l".

--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall

Greetings:

This information is very much appreciated. However, I have to wonder
if it wouldn’t be easier, since you’re going to the Desktop anyway,
simply to press Alt F4 and then select the Press Enter (since Shutdown
is the default choice here).

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, August 08, 2022 9:14 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer

1. Go to the desktop and make certain no item has focus. Then bring up
the context menu, whether by SHIFT+F10 or the Applications/Context
Menu key, and select New, Shortcut from that menu.

2. In the Create Shortcut dialog that comes up, in the "Type the
location of the item" edit box, enter:
C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe /s /r /t 5

then activate the Next button.

3. In the Type a name for this shortcut edit box, enter the name of
your choosing. I tend to just call it something like "Restart in 5 seconds."

4. Activate the Finish button, which will place the shortcut using the
name you choose on your desktop.


If you were to want that restart to begin immediately, with no option
to cancel, then change that 5 to a zero. That, or get rid of the "/t 5"
entirely and substitute it with "/l".

--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall

Mike,

Another thing, and the title of this very topic points it out, is that you can't really teach "the screen reader" as an independent entity.  Screen readers, all of them, have as their sole reason for being giving the user the ability to access other things they want to use.  If I am not running a web browser, or word processor, or some other program that the screen reader is being used to access I can't really teach anything whatsoever useful about how one actually uses a screen reader.

The above being the case, and since the screen reader itself along with the application(s) are "soaking in" Windows, you're never able to deal with "pure" commands related to each, in isolation, as part of the natural flow of teaching how all of these things work in consort with each other.

It's funny how I have to disabuse many of the very idea that you can teach a screen reader in isolation.  You just can't.  It's an accessibility tool to other things, and as an independent entity, with nothing to access, is useless/has no reason for being.  It's a means to an end, not an end in and of itself, and you learn how to use that means by working on specific ends over time.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

Are you using Windows 7?

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

Mike,
While not discounting your theory, having been around "the screen reader game" for well over a decade now I still see more often than not a complete lack of discussing "who controls what" as a standard part of AT education in general, but for screen reader training in particular.
And what's even more peculiar is that when I work with the formerly sighted, most of them know, somehow, who's controlling what when working via point and click.  Even I know/knew that without a lot of formal training, but much of that is because the visuals involved in Windows (or any GUI) are telling you all sorts of things you are not even consciously aware that they are communicating.
When those cues are either taken away, or were never present to begin with, there's a certain added amount of abstraction involved.  But because knowing "who controls what" is so important I find myself on my own little soap box about how sadly lacking formal instruction about this is.  Even just occasionally repeating what I told Mark about how one can really pretty easily reason out "who controls what" absent any deep knowledge at the outset would be immensely helpful.  Not just for screen reader instruction, but in general, we need to be teaching students critical thinking skills, and a basic foundation of those is using logic and reason to clear ambiguity when you have no other easy way of doing it.  The thought exercise, and ability to construct your own, as needed, is just something I could never have lived without.
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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

Greetings:

This information is very much appreciated. However, I have to wonder if
it wouldn’t be easier, since you’re going to the Desktop anyway, simply
to press Alt F4 and then select the Press Enter (since Shutdown is the
default choice here).

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, August 08, 2022 9:14 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer

1. Go to the desktop and make certain no item has focus. Then bring up
the context menu, whether by SHIFT+F10 or the Applications/Context Menu
key, and select New, Shortcut from that menu.

2. In the Create Shortcut dialog that comes up, in the "Type the
location of the item" edit box, enter: C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe
/s /r /t 5

then activate the Next button.

3. In the Type a name for this shortcut edit box, enter the name of your
choosing. I tend to just call it something like "Restart in 5 seconds."

4. Activate the Finish button, which will place the shortcut using the
name you choose on your desktop.


If you were to want that restart to begin immediately, with no option to
cancel, then change that 5 to a zero. That, or get rid of the "/t 5"
entirely and substitute it with "/l".

--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall