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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Kevin Hourigan <kevinthourigan@...>
 

I use the rubber bumps for preventing the cupboard door from slamming, you get at the lumber yard. You can put them on yourself, feeling with your left hand and placing them with your right, or vice versa.
Cheers Kevin.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Ulrich
Sent: November 8, 2016 7:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

I'd say if you really want to get your "Speed Bumps"; locating Dots, to stay put for a long time: Try putting one drop of Crazy Glue on each dot. I know you'd need the help of a sightling to do this, but it'd stay on much longer than the sticky stuff on the back of a standard dot.
I might be lucky enough to get a dot to stay on for about one year, with a regular dot without Crazy Glue.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

/Dots I've used previously came loose and left the key sticky -- really sticky -- and getting the glue off was a huge pain.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 9:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Which dots do you guys find work the best with respect to staying on and so on. I have in the past asked sighted friends to use this glue stuff that you can use to make raised lines or dots for this purpose, but it's a bit tricky and of course you can't use your keyboard for at least 12 hours or so afterwards while this sets up.



Regards,

Sieghard



-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir

Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 7:46 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Thanks again for this idea, I ordered some and after applying them the F-keys are instantly eaiser to locate.





On 11/1/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:

I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I
find it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances
like the laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since
these are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at
the same time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function keys
for other commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes
noticeable
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.
And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.
What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.
On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring
up the applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with
reassigning keys be it with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with
scripts at least for this particular issue. At this point, the
shift+F10 command is as second nature to me as is bringing up the
system tray.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Steve:
I think I have followed your directions.
I first open the Script Manager.
Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.
Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.
I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow
down to “Send Applications Key.”
Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.
The message I get goes something like this:
“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”
Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Hi Ed,
I feel I didn't explain well enough.
Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is
on SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and
you should be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so
that your focus is "inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.
Does that work?
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Steve:
These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything
down
to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your
instructions
then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas!
That is
when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the
actual
default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I
thought
you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I
think
I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close.
Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested
using
windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running
another
program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file
that
is
not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to
wait,
and
the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS
documentation.
If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Hi Ed,
I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard
manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.
Here were the steps I went through:
1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,
2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts
3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,
4. find the SendApplicationKey script,
5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,
6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,
7. press the Print Screen key
8. Tab to the OK button and press it
9. Ctrl + S to compile the script
10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key
instead
of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to
Keyboard
Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that
function to
the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried
doing
it
in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager
had
changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely
baffling
changes to Keyboard Manager.
I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up
keyboard
manager.
Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple
function
into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?
I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

I suppose some people find those factory markings too small and hard to differentiate.
Hence the after market locating dots, Velcro strips and other items used to mark keys.
Works for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 11:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

I'm not sure I've ever encountered a keyboard that did not already have a bump molded onto the NumPad 5 key (just like the home-row f and j keys)

On 11/8/16, Mike Ulrich <mulrich@centurylink.net> wrote:
Another good way to mark keys on a keyboard is to cut strips of the
soft side of self-adhesive Velcro to fit individual keys.
I have these strips of soft Velcro on my Tab, Control and Alt keys on
the left side of the keyboard.
The Backspace, Enter, Control and Alt keys on the right side. Then the
five on the number pad. I also have it on theF4 key too.
I only use those locator dots; I call them Speed Bumps, on my home
keys; F and J.

But anyone can mark their keyboard, however it suits them best. But
Velcro is a great option because you can cut the material to cover the whole key.

Just my 1.5 cents worth. LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 10:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Thanks again for this idea, I ordered some and after applying them the
F-keys are instantly eaiser to locate.


On 11/1/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I
find it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances
like the laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since
these are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at
the same time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function
keys for other commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes
noticeable

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.

And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop
(or even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.

What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.

On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring
up the applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with
reassigning keys be it with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with
scripts at least for this particular issue. At this point, the
shift+F10 command is as second nature to me as is bringing up the
system tray.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

I think I have followed your directions.

I first open the Script Manager.

Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.

Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.

I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow
down to “Send Applications Key.”

Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.

The message I get goes something like this:

“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”

Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I feel I didn't explain well enough.



Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is
on SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and
you should be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so
that your focus is "inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.



Does that work?



Steve





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do
everything down to the point at which I found “Send Applications
Key.” Your instructions then said to press control + d to open the
documentation. Alas! That is when things stopped working. The
cursor jumped to a line in the actual default script source code at
the point for “decrease Braille …” I thought you perhaps meant to
say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I think I’ll try the
help file. I feel I’m pretty close.

Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested
using windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require
running another program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an
executable file that is not part of the firm’s image takes an act of
Congress, a year to wait, and the actions of someone in our IT
department who refuses to read JAWS documentation.

If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.









From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard
manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.



Here were the steps I went through:

1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,

2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts

3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,

4. find the SendApplicationKey script,

5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,

6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,

7. press the Print Screen key

8. Tab to the OK button and press it

9. Ctrl + S to compile the script

10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.



Steve



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key
instead of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just
go to Keyboard Manager, choose to send the applications key, and
assign that function to the Print Screen key. It was that easy in
JAWS 16. I just tried doing it in JAWS 17 (not my favorite
version), and I found keyboard manager had changed entirely. I
suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely baffling changes to
Keyboard Manager.

I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up
keyboard manager.

Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple
function into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?





I. Edward Marquette

Direct Dial: 816.502.4646

Mobile: 816.812.0088

Google Voice: 408.692.5640

Facsimile: 816.960.0041

Kutak Rock LLP

2300 Main Street, Suite 800

Kansas City, MO 64108

<mailto:ed.marquette@kutakrock.com> ed.marquette@kutakrock.com









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Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire,
RG7
3YG. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity
registered
in England and Wales
(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).

Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
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Email: guidedogs@guidedogs.org.uk





The Guide Dogs for the Blind Association
Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire,
RG7
3YG. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity
registered
in England and Wales
(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).

Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
Email: guidedogs@guidedogs.org.uk




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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Soronel Haetir
 

I'm not sure I've ever encountered a keyboard that did not already
have a bump molded onto the NumPad 5 key (just like the home-row f and
j keys)

On 11/8/16, Mike Ulrich <mulrich@centurylink.net> wrote:
Another good way to mark keys on a keyboard is to cut strips of the soft
side of self-adhesive Velcro to fit individual keys.
I have these strips of soft Velcro on my Tab, Control and Alt keys on the
left side of the keyboard.
The Backspace, Enter, Control and Alt keys on the right side. Then the five
on the number pad. I also have it on theF4 key too.
I only use those locator dots; I call them Speed Bumps, on my home keys; F
and J.

But anyone can mark their keyboard, however it suits them best. But Velcro
is a great option because you can cut the material to cover the whole key.

Just my 1.5 cents worth. LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 10:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Thanks again for this idea, I ordered some and after applying them the
F-keys are instantly eaiser to locate.


On 11/1/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I find
it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances like the
laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since these
are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at the same
time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function keys for other
commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes
noticeable

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.

And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.

What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.

On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring up
the
applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with reassigning keys be
it
with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with scripts at least for this
particular issue. At this point, the shift+F10 command is as second
nature
to me as is bringing up the system tray.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

I think I have followed your directions.

I first open the Script Manager.

Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.

Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.

I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow down
to
“Send Applications Key.”

Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.

The message I get goes something like this:

“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”

Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I feel I didn't explain well enough.



Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is on
SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and you
should
be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so that your focus
is
"inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.



Does that work?



Steve





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything
down
to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your
instructions
then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas! That
is
when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the actual
default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I
thought
you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I think
I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close.

Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested using
windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running
another
program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file that
is
not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to wait,
and
the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS
documentation.

If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.









From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard
manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.



Here were the steps I went through:

1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,

2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts

3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,

4. find the SendApplicationKey script,

5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,

6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,

7. press the Print Screen key

8. Tab to the OK button and press it

9. Ctrl + S to compile the script

10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.



Steve



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key
instead
of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to
Keyboard
Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that function
to
the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried doing
it
in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager had
changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely
baffling
changes to Keyboard Manager.

I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up
keyboard
manager.

Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple
function
into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?





I. Edward Marquette

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Mobile: 816.812.0088

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Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire,
RG7
3YG. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity
registered
in England and Wales
(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).

Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
Email: guidedogs@guidedogs.org.uk




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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

I've actually used that stuff to mark my measuring cup. With lines in different lengths to denote one quarter cup. One half cup ETC. It's nice because I think this stuff is "Food Quality" and is not toxic.
I never thought about using it to mark my keyboard though, great idea and thanks; I'll try it!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 10:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

I'm sure there are dots and there are dots which is why I asked so it's good to know that some of them leave behind unwanted stickyness if they come off. That is one advantage of the glue or whatever that stuff is they sell to make these raised lines/dots, once it dries it is pretty good if applied correctly and you can peal it off without leaving anything behind.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

/Dots I've used previously came loose and left the key sticky -- really sticky -- and getting the glue off was a huge pain.


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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 9:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Which dots do you guys find work the best with respect to staying on and so on. I have in the past asked sighted friends to use this glue stuff that you can use to make raised lines or dots for this purpose, but it's a bit tricky and of course you can't use your keyboard for at least 12 hours or so afterwards while this sets up.



Regards,

Sieghard



-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir

Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 7:46 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Thanks again for this idea, I ordered some and after applying them the F-keys are instantly eaiser to locate.





On 11/1/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:

I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I
find it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances
like the laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since
these are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at
the same time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function keys
for other commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes
noticeable
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.
And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.
What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.
On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring
up the applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with
reassigning keys be it with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with
scripts at least for this particular issue. At this point, the
shift+F10 command is as second nature to me as is bringing up the
system tray.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Steve:
I think I have followed your directions.
I first open the Script Manager.
Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.
Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.
I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow
down to “Send Applications Key.”
Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.
The message I get goes something like this:
“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”
Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Hi Ed,
I feel I didn't explain well enough.
Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is
on SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and
you should be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so
that your focus is "inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.
Does that work?
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Steve:
These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything
down
to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your
instructions
then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas!
That is
when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the
actual
default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I
thought
you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I
think
I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close.
Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested
using
windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running
another
program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file
that
is
not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to
wait,
and
the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS
documentation.
If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Hi Ed,
I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard
manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.
Here were the steps I went through:
1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,
2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts
3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,
4. find the SendApplicationKey script,
5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,
6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,
7. press the Print Screen key
8. Tab to the OK button and press it
9. Ctrl + S to compile the script
10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key
instead
of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to
Keyboard
Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that
function to
the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried
doing
it
in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager
had
changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely
baffling
changes to Keyboard Manager.
I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up
keyboard
manager.
Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple
function
into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?
I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
2300 Main Street, Suite 800
Kansas City, MO 64108
<mailto:ed.marquette@kutakrock.com> ed.marquette@kutakrock.com
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RG7
3YG. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity
registered
in England and Wales
(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).
Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.guidedogs.or
g.uk&d=DQMGaQ&c=CMYNxKEx9XwzkNg9QU6ZcPKnuXk0aDlw3v_02OUU55A&r=LwcLJ7q
DHC7BpuK0FQQOM8NngMoERRDlqGQilLc0omA&m=kJVwD0hjbHYwkGsHaqzl6HlQgzdZyW
2k4lzOLRcAOZg&s=AawosFwQMgX6RYuhGRk6IyvsyYXpZwss2fhpIywFz70&e=>
Email: guidedogs@guidedogs.org.uk
The Guide Dogs for the Blind Association
Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire,
RG7
3YG. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity
registered
in England and Wales
(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).
Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
Email: guidedogs@guidedogs.org.uk
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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

I'd say if you really want to get your "Speed Bumps"; locating Dots, to stay put for a long time: Try putting one drop of Crazy Glue on each dot. I know you'd need the help of a sightling to do this, but it'd stay on much longer than the sticky stuff on the back of a standard dot.
I might be lucky enough to get a dot to stay on for about one year, with a regular dot without Crazy Glue.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 10:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

/Dots I've used previously came loose and left the key sticky -- really sticky -- and getting the glue off was a huge pain.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 9:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Which dots do you guys find work the best with respect to staying on and so on. I have in the past asked sighted friends to use this glue stuff that you can use to make raised lines or dots for this purpose, but it's a bit tricky and of course you can't use your keyboard for at least 12 hours or so afterwards while this sets up.



Regards,

Sieghard



-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir

Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 7:46 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Thanks again for this idea, I ordered some and after applying them the F-keys are instantly eaiser to locate.





On 11/1/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:

I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I
find it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances
like the laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since
these are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at
the same time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function keys
for other commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes
noticeable
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.
And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.
What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.
On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring
up the applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with
reassigning keys be it with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with
scripts at least for this particular issue. At this point, the
shift+F10 command is as second nature to me as is bringing up the
system tray.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Steve:
I think I have followed your directions.
I first open the Script Manager.
Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.
Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.
I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow
down to “Send Applications Key.”
Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.
The message I get goes something like this:
“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”
Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Hi Ed,
I feel I didn't explain well enough.
Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is
on SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and
you should be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so
that your focus is "inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.
Does that work?
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Steve:
These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything
down
to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your
instructions
then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas!
That is
when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the
actual
default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I
thought
you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I
think
I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close.
Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested
using
windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running
another
program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file
that
is
not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to
wait,
and
the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS
documentation.
If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Hi Ed,
I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard
manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.
Here were the steps I went through:
1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,
2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts
3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,
4. find the SendApplicationKey script,
5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,
6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,
7. press the Print Screen key
8. Tab to the OK button and press it
9. Ctrl + S to compile the script
10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key
instead
of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to
Keyboard
Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that
function to
the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried
doing
it
in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager
had
changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely
baffling
changes to Keyboard Manager.
I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up
keyboard
manager.
Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple
function
into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?
I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
2300 Main Street, Suite 800
Kansas City, MO 64108
<mailto:ed.marquette@kutakrock.com> ed.marquette@kutakrock.com
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This E-mail message is confidential, is intended only for the named
recipients above and may contain information
that is privileged, attorney work product or otherwise protected by
applicable law. If you have received this
message in error, please notify the sender at 402-346-6000 and delete
this
E-mail message.
Thank you.
The Guide Dogs for the Blind Association
Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire,
RG7
3YG. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity
registered
in England and Wales
(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).
Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.guidedogs.or
g.uk&d=DQMGaQ&c=CMYNxKEx9XwzkNg9QU6ZcPKnuXk0aDlw3v_02OUU55A&r=LwcLJ7q
DHC7BpuK0FQQOM8NngMoERRDlqGQilLc0omA&m=kJVwD0hjbHYwkGsHaqzl6HlQgzdZyW
2k4lzOLRcAOZg&s=AawosFwQMgX6RYuhGRk6IyvsyYXpZwss2fhpIywFz70&e=>
Email: guidedogs@guidedogs.org.uk
The Guide Dogs for the Blind Association
Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire,
RG7
3YG. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity
registered
in England and Wales
(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).
Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
Email: guidedogs@guidedogs.org.uk
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soronel.haetir@gmail.com




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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I just use Scotch tape.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 10:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Which dots do you guys find work the best with respect to staying on and so on. I have in the past asked sighted friends to use this glue stuff that you can use to make raised lines or dots for this purpose, but it's a bit tricky and of course you can't use your keyboard for at least 12 hours or so afterwards while this sets up.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Thanks again for this idea, I ordered some and after applying them the F-keys are instantly eaiser to locate.


On 11/1/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I
find it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances
like the laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since
these are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at
the same time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function keys
for other commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes
noticeable

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.

And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.

What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.

On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring
up the applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with
reassigning keys be it with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with
scripts at least for this particular issue. At this point, the
shift+F10 command is as second nature to me as is bringing up the
system tray.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

I think I have followed your directions.

I first open the Script Manager.

Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.

Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.

I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow
down to “Send Applications Key.”

Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.

The message I get goes something like this:

“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”

Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I feel I didn't explain well enough.



Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is
on SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and
you should be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so
that your focus is "inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.



Does that work?



Steve





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything
down to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your
instructions then said to press control + d to open the
documentation. Alas! That is when things stopped working. The
cursor jumped to a line in the actual default script source code at
the point for “decrease Braille …” I thought you perhaps meant to
say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I think I’ll try the help
file. I feel I’m pretty close.

Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested
using windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require
running another program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an
executable file that is not part of the firm’s image takes an act of
Congress, a year to wait, and the actions of someone in our IT
department who refuses to read JAWS documentation.

If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.









From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard
manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.



Here were the steps I went through:

1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,

2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts

3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,

4. find the SendApplicationKey script,

5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,

6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,

7. press the Print Screen key

8. Tab to the OK button and press it

9. Ctrl + S to compile the script

10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.



Steve



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key
instead of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go
to Keyboard Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign
that function to the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16.
I just tried doing it in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I
found keyboard manager had changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will
have the same completely baffling changes to Keyboard Manager.

I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up
keyboard manager.

Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple
function into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?





I. Edward Marquette

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Mobile: 816.812.0088

Google Voice: 408.692.5640

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(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).

Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
Email: guidedogs@guidedogs.org.uk




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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I'm sure there are dots and there are dots which is why I asked so it's good to know that some of them leave behind unwanted stickyness if they come off. That is one advantage of the glue or whatever that stuff is they sell to make these raised lines/dots, once it dries it is pretty good if applied correctly and you can peal it off without leaving anything behind.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 7:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

/Dots I've used previously came loose and left the key sticky -- really sticky -- and getting the glue off was a huge pain.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 9:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Which dots do you guys find work the best with respect to staying on and so on. I have in the past asked sighted friends to use this glue stuff that you can use to make raised lines or dots for this purpose, but it's a bit tricky and of course you can't use your keyboard for at least 12 hours or so afterwards while this sets up.



Regards,

Sieghard



-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir

Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 7:46 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Thanks again for this idea, I ordered some and after applying them the F-keys are instantly eaiser to locate.





On 11/1/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:

I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I
find it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances
like the laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since
these are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at
the same time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function keys
for other commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes
noticeable
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.
And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.
What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.
On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring
up the applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with
reassigning keys be it with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with
scripts at least for this particular issue. At this point, the
shift+F10 command is as second nature to me as is bringing up the
system tray.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Steve:
I think I have followed your directions.
I first open the Script Manager.
Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.
Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.
I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow
down to “Send Applications Key.”
Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.
The message I get goes something like this:
“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”
Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Hi Ed,
I feel I didn't explain well enough.
Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is
on SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and
you should be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so
that your focus is "inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.
Does that work?
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Steve:
These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything
down
to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your instructions
then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas! That is
when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the actual
default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I
thought
you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I think
I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close.
Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested using
windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running
another
program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file that
is
not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to wait,
and
the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS
documentation.
If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Hi Ed,
I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard
manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.
Here were the steps I went through:
1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,
2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts
3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,
4. find the SendApplicationKey script,
5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,
6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,
7. press the Print Screen key
8. Tab to the OK button and press it
9. Ctrl + S to compile the script
10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key
instead
of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to Keyboard
Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that function to
the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried doing
it
in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager had
changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely
baffling
changes to Keyboard Manager.
I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up keyboard
manager.
Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple function
into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?
I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
2300 Main Street, Suite 800
Kansas City, MO 64108
<mailto:ed.marquette@kutakrock.com> ed.marquette@kutakrock.com
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(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).
Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
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Email: guidedogs@guidedogs.org.uk
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Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire, RG7
3YG. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity
registered
in England and Wales
(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).
Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
Email: guidedogs@guidedogs.org.uk
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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Marquette, Ed <ed.marquette@...>
 

/Dots I've used previously came loose and left the key sticky -- really sticky -- and getting the glue off was a huge pain.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 9:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Which dots do you guys find work the best with respect to staying on and so on. I have in the past asked sighted friends to use this glue stuff that you can use to make raised lines or dots for this purpose, but it's a bit tricky and of course you can't use your keyboard for at least 12 hours or so afterwards while this sets up.



Regards,

Sieghard



-----Original Message-----

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir

Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 7:46 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Thanks again for this idea, I ordered some and after applying them the F-keys are instantly eaiser to locate.





On 11/1/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:

I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I
find it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances
like the laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since
these are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at
the same time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function keys
for other commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes
noticeable
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.
And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.
What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.
On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring
up the applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with
reassigning keys be it with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with
scripts at least for this particular issue. At this point, the
shift+F10 command is as second nature to me as is bringing up the
system tray.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Steve:
I think I have followed your directions.
I first open the Script Manager.
Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.
Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.
I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow
down to “Send Applications Key.”
Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.
The message I get goes something like this:
“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”
Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Hi Ed,
I feel I didn't explain well enough.
Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is
on SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and
you should be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so
that your focus is "inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.
Does that work?
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Steve:
These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything
down
to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your instructions
then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas! That is
when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the actual
default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I
thought
you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I think
I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close.
Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested using
windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running
another
program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file that
is
not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to wait,
and
the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS
documentation.
If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
Hi Ed,
I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard
manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.
Here were the steps I went through:
1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,
2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts
3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,
4. find the SendApplicationKey script,
5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,
6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,
7. press the Print Screen key
8. Tab to the OK button and press it
9. Ctrl + S to compile the script
10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.
Steve
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond
I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key
instead
of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to Keyboard
Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that function to
the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried doing
it
in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager had
changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely
baffling
changes to Keyboard Manager.
I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up keyboard
manager.
Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple function
into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?
I. Edward Marquette
Direct Dial: 816.502.4646
Mobile: 816.812.0088
Google Voice: 408.692.5640
Facsimile: 816.960.0041
Kutak Rock LLP
2300 Main Street, Suite 800
Kansas City, MO 64108
<mailto:ed.marquette@kutakrock.com> ed.marquette@kutakrock.com
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3YG. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity
registered
in England and Wales
(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).
Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.guidedogs.org.uk&d=DQMGaQ&c=CMYNxKEx9XwzkNg9QU6ZcPKnuXk0aDlw3v_02OUU55A&r=LwcLJ7qDHC7BpuK0FQQOM8NngMoERRDlqGQilLc0omA&m=kJVwD0hjbHYwkGsHaqzl6HlQgzdZyW2k4lzOLRcAOZg&s=AawosFwQMgX6RYuhGRk6IyvsyYXpZwss2fhpIywFz70&e=>
Email: guidedogs@guidedogs.org.uk
The Guide Dogs for the Blind Association
Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire, RG7
3YG. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity
registered
in England and Wales
(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).
Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
Email: guidedogs@guidedogs.org.uk
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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Which dots do you guys find work the best with respect to staying on and so on. I have in the past asked sighted friends to use this glue stuff that you can use to make raised lines or dots for this purpose, but it's a bit tricky and of course you can't use your keyboard for at least 12 hours or so afterwards while this sets up.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2016 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Thanks again for this idea, I ordered some and after applying them the F-keys are instantly eaiser to locate.


On 11/1/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I
find it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances
like the laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since
these are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at
the same time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function keys
for other commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes
noticeable

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.

And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.

What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.

On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring
up the applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with
reassigning keys be it with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with
scripts at least for this particular issue. At this point, the
shift+F10 command is as second nature to me as is bringing up the
system tray.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette, Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

I think I have followed your directions.

I first open the Script Manager.

Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.

Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.

I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow
down to “Send Applications Key.”

Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.

The message I get goes something like this:

“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”

Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Steve Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I feel I didn't explain well enough.



Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is
on SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and
you should be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so
that your focus is "inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.



Does that work?



Steve





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything
down
to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your instructions
then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas! That is
when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the actual
default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I
thought
you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I think
I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close.

Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested using
windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running
another
program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file that
is
not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to wait,
and
the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS
documentation.

If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.









From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard
manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.



Here were the steps I went through:

1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,

2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts

3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,

4. find the SendApplicationKey script,

5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,

6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,

7. press the Print Screen key

8. Tab to the OK button and press it

9. Ctrl + S to compile the script

10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.



Steve



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key
instead
of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to Keyboard
Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that function to
the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried doing
it
in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager had
changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely
baffling
changes to Keyboard Manager.

I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up keyboard
manager.

Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple function
into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?





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Re: using final find in Windows 7

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I haven’t used Cortana much since I am often using my Logitech MK710 wireless keyboard and am somewhere in the house with my laptop being stuck in the office, but if you do have Windows 10 and use Cortana then I think you can ask her to find files and include fairly complicated requests like “Find all Excel files modified last week”. At least this is what I have heard/read. Maybe somebody who uses Cortana frequently can comment on this.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Bailes
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 6:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: using final find in Windows 7

 

Hi John,

You can use windows explorer to find files.

To search for files in a specific folder, make it the current folder in Windows explorer, then:

1. press ctrl+e to go to the search edit box.

2. type in your search terms.

3. tab until you get to the items view, which contains the search results.

To restrict the  results to files that were created or modified at certain times, you can use search terms which have the format property:search term. So for example, if you wanted to find files that were modified this week, you could type in modified:this week. Or to find files called fred that were created last year, you could type in created:last year fred. You can also search for ranges of dates. For more info, see the searching section of this guide to windows explorer on Windows 7:

http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/Windows-Explorer-7-Guide.html

David.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 04:33 am, John J. Fioravanti, Jr. wrote:

Hello: I am having trouble using the file find in windows 7, that is, in
restricting by dates or folders. Has anyone mastered this problem?
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

So I wonder, how would I get .cho files to open with Wordbuilder which is
now built into Play?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 5:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle, here's another email from Michael B. see if one of the
suggestions from a former list member has to offer:


-------- Original Message --------
From: Michael B. [mailto:mwb5781@...]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 7:58 PM EST
To: Mario <mrb620@...>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Again Mario,

Okay, I thought she wanted the, .cho, extension to be read as....
That's why I suggested the default dictionary.

Now, here's some info from Carlos. It's a couple of different emails that
I've put together.

The easiest way to do this is to highlight an existing file with the
extension and then select "Open with"
from the context menu so you can associate it with an application. Once the
file type has been associated to an application / program for opening it, it
should be added to that file types list.

Since that list is pulled from the registry, adding an extension via the
"Open with"
dialog should cause it to be listed there as well. However, since the whole
point of that list is to associate extensions with specific applications,
the point should be moot when using the "Open with"
dialog as I described since it will accomplish the same thing.
Takes care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool. Dodgers, try again next year!

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mario <mailto:mrb620@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto: >
*Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2016 3:14 PM
*Subject:* Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

as I outlined before, in Windows 7, Microsoft has removed the function
to add or modify the filetype or anything else about that extension,
other than what program is used to open a file with a particular
extension.

if there is a way, I haven't found it, and would like to know if
someone
knows of one.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 5:51 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

The description is shown as "cho file", and I want to change it to
"Eastwest
Choir File".

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

ok. and if you locate a file with the .cho extension, you want to
change
the file type description from what is shown to something else?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 5:38 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

so I understand, the program that opens .cho files is Wordbuilder?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 4:52 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

.cho is a "Choir file", and should be opened with "Wordbuilder" in
Eastwest
Symphonic Choirs. Since it's not being recognized as a Choir file,
Windows 7
can't seem to recognize Wordbuilder as a regular program, so it asks
me to
choose which program I want to use to open this kind of file. This
is where
I'm confused!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Annabelle,

I also would like to take a step back and ask again what exactly you
want to
do. The thread is becoming long and initially I thought you simply
wanted to
say, for example, change how MP3 files should open in iTunes rather
than
Windows Media Player which is easily achieved. What exactly is this
.cho
file type, e.g. what program do you want to use to open it? You
mentioned
some East West Choir so is this some sort of music thing?

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 1:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

annabelle,

That I cannot help you with. Usually once a file extension is stored
on your

computer, it should populate that list upon a subsequent inquiry.
Have you
tried clicking on a file of that type, or using Alt+Enter on that
file type,

to help the computer "learn" that it exists?

Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...
<mailto:foristnights@...
>>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:38
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


What if the .cho extension isn't on the list? How would I put it on?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle,

Give this a try...

Type "set Associations" in the search field.

In the result, there will eventually be a list (after it populates)
of all
the extensions on your machine. Scroll down to the one you want to
change,
and tab backward to the Change Default button. In that dialog, you
associate

a program with that extension, and it appears that the list will
then show
your program name (e.g. East/West Choir) to that extension.


Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...
<mailto:foristnights@...
>>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:55
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


I think it's a little misunderstanding on your part. Back in Windows
XP,
each new extension added to the list had a description field, so for
example, Extension: m4p. Type a description of the file, Protected
AAC Audio
File. That was how the dialog box was displayed, at least in that
version. I
thought Windows 7 would've had the same structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
Brunot
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Annabelle: I believe the gang is asking whether you want to actually
modify the extension, which is not so advisable. In the dos days,
you could
use any kind of made-up extensions to help you remember what a file
contained. In Windows, extensions are program specific and should be
left
alone, or changed so they correspond to another program you want to
use. It
sounds to me as if you want to add something to a file name itself.
Or am I
adding to the misunderstanding Here?

Regards,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Eastwest Quantum Leap Symphonic Choirs.

________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
john.falter
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7



For which program is this .cho?
The purpose of file extentions is to tell windows which program a
file will
open.
It seems as if you want to use the .cho extention as a comment.
Please, tell us why you need to do this.




On 11/6/2016 10:57 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:


What I'm trying to do is add a description to an extension to
substitute the
generic one. For example, I have files with the extension .cho, and
rather
than just the generic "cho file", it should be something like,
"Eastwest
choir file". How would I fix this?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle, in short, Windows 7 can only associate/open a particular
extension if Windows knows about it. it is no longer possible for
the user
to add an extension and then associate it with a program.
Microsoft
has removed that function from Windows 7 in order to prevent
accidental mess
ups. changing is the only action a user can do, which merely
reassociates
without duplicating the extension

maybe if you explain what you want to do, there's a better chance
someone
can help you in whatever you're wanting to achieve.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
Sent: Saturday, Nov 5, 2016 7:46 PM EDT
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

I remember in Windows XP, there was a command where you could Add a
file
type and its extension to the list, but in Windows 7, that command is
mysteriously gone! Is there a workable solution somewhere?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

No, if you change it via the properties it applies to all files of
that file
type.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
Brunot
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Greetings, Sieghart: Isn't that more for a specific file? My purpose
here
was to change the default program for the file type. Otherwise, I
tend to go
to "open with" and find the program, unless it's one of those that
isn't in
that default list.

Cheers,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Gudrun,

Why not simply go to the file you want to change, e.g. the WAV file
in your
example, then press Alt+Enter to get into the properties. Now tab
until you
get to "Change" or press Alt+C. This takes you straight into the list
of
available programs you can choose from or you can tab once to go to
"Browse"
to select a program that is not in the list. You don't have a step 6
in your
list, but this method takes you straight to what would be step 6 in
your
list.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
Brunot
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi all: This is a tricky business, I think. I decided to try and
crack the
nut and here is my mini-tutorial on the subject: (there are probably
other
ways to skin this cat, but this is what I came up with)

File types and program associations in Windows 7

1. press the control-esc to search.

2. in the search box, type file association.

3. Arrow down to change the file type associated with a file extension,
enter 4. If all works right, you'll have a list of Starting with
".386
virtual device driver" and going all the way down to "webcals add
internet
calendar." I believe there is one list going from 1-z, then a second
one
listing other extensions, so just know it's a long list.
5. Find the file extension you want to change program for. Let's say
you
want .wav files to open in SoundForge instead of Windows Media player.
Backtab once from the .wav extension. JAWS will say "change program,
button."
. Hit the spacebar. You will hear "Control panel. set association.
Choose
the program you want to open this file with. .wav."
7. Arrow down, and, hopefully, you should hear "Sony SoundForge, Sony."
8. Tab twice until you hear okay.

Note: if the program you want to use is not in the list of Windows
default
programs, tab to "browse," the field just before "okay."

If, for example, you wanted to associate a sound file extension with
Studio
Recorder, navigate to the directory level, and you are likely to find
"program files." (You may need to backtab to the c drive and right
arrow to
Program files, then down arrow to Program files X86. Find APH in that
directory, and there you will find Studio Recorder and hit enter.
The file
sr.exe is the one you want to show in the file name field. Now, tab
to okay.
Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Which file type/extension is the file and what do you want to add it
to? It
may help to describe this in more detail if you give an example.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 9:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7



I found it, but it won't let me add to the list.



________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
john.falter
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hello annabelle:

1. press the windows key going to search.

2. type ext.

3. arrow to change file extentions.

4. tab to a long list of file extentions.

Good luck.



On 11/4/2016 10:46 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

Hi, it's annabelle.

I know in Windows XP, if you go to "Folder Options", there's a tab that
lists all the available file types and their extensions, as well as
programs
associated with the file types and you can add to the list, however,
I don't
see that in Windows 7. Is it hidden somewhere where I can't find it?
I'm
trying to add a file extension and it's description to the list, but
there
isn't an "Add" button anywhere on the screen. Maybe I'm missing
something?





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Re: using final find in Windows 7

David Bailes
 

Hi John,

You can use windows explorer to find files.

To search for files in a specific folder, make it the current folder in Windows explorer, then:

1. press ctrl+e to go to the search edit box.

2. type in your search terms.

3. tab until you get to the items view, which contains the search results.

To restrict the  results to files that were created or modified at certain times, you can use search terms which have the format property:search term. So for example, if you wanted to find files that were modified this week, you could type in modified:this week. Or to find files called fred that were created last year, you could type in created:last year fred. You can also search for ranges of dates. For more info, see the searching section of this guide to windows explorer on Windows 7:

http://vip.chowo.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/jaws/Windows-Explorer-7-Guide.html

David.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 04:33 am, John J. Fioravanti, Jr. wrote:

Hello: I am having trouble using the file find in windows 7, that is, in
restricting by dates or folders. Has anyone mastered this problem?
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

So I wonder, how would I get .cho files to open with Wordbuilder which is
now built into Play?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 5:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle, here's another email from Michael B. see if one of the
suggestions from a former list member has to offer:


-------- Original Message --------
From: Michael B. [mailto:mwb5781@...]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 7:58 PM EST
To: Mario <mrb620@...>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Again Mario,

Okay, I thought she wanted the, .cho, extension to be read as....
That's why I suggested the default dictionary.

Now, here's some info from Carlos. It's a couple of different emails that
I've put together.

The easiest way to do this is to highlight an existing file with the
extension and then select "Open with"
from the context menu so you can associate it with an application. Once the
file type has been associated to an application / program for opening it, it
should be added to that file types list.

Since that list is pulled from the registry, adding an extension via the
"Open with"
dialog should cause it to be listed there as well. However, since the whole
point of that list is to associate extensions with specific applications,
the point should be moot when using the "Open with"
dialog as I described since it will accomplish the same thing.
Takes care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool. Dodgers, try again next year!

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mario <mailto:mrb620@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto: >
*Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2016 3:14 PM
*Subject:* Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

as I outlined before, in Windows 7, Microsoft has removed the function
to add or modify the filetype or anything else about that extension,
other than what program is used to open a file with a particular
extension.

if there is a way, I haven't found it, and would like to know if
someone
knows of one.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 5:51 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

The description is shown as "cho file", and I want to change it to
"Eastwest
Choir File".

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

ok. and if you locate a file with the .cho extension, you want to
change
the file type description from what is shown to something else?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 5:38 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

so I understand, the program that opens .cho files is Wordbuilder?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 4:52 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

.cho is a "Choir file", and should be opened with "Wordbuilder" in
Eastwest
Symphonic Choirs. Since it's not being recognized as a Choir file,
Windows 7
can't seem to recognize Wordbuilder as a regular program, so it asks
me to
choose which program I want to use to open this kind of file. This
is where
I'm confused!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Annabelle,

I also would like to take a step back and ask again what exactly you
want to
do. The thread is becoming long and initially I thought you simply
wanted to
say, for example, change how MP3 files should open in iTunes rather
than
Windows Media Player which is easily achieved. What exactly is this
.cho
file type, e.g. what program do you want to use to open it? You
mentioned
some East West Choir so is this some sort of music thing?

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 1:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

annabelle,

That I cannot help you with. Usually once a file extension is stored
on your

computer, it should populate that list upon a subsequent inquiry.
Have you
tried clicking on a file of that type, or using Alt+Enter on that
file type,

to help the computer "learn" that it exists?

Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...
<mailto:foristnights@...>>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:38
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


What if the .cho extension isn't on the list? How would I put it on?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle,

Give this a try...

Type "set Associations" in the search field.

In the result, there will eventually be a list (after it populates)
of all
the extensions on your machine. Scroll down to the one you want to
change,
and tab backward to the Change Default button. In that dialog, you
associate

a program with that extension, and it appears that the list will
then show
your program name (e.g. East/West Choir) to that extension.


Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...
<mailto:foristnights@...>>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:55
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


I think it's a little misunderstanding on your part. Back in Windows
XP,
each new extension added to the list had a description field, so for
example, Extension: m4p. Type a description of the file, Protected
AAC Audio
File. That was how the dialog box was displayed, at least in that
version. I
thought Windows 7 would've had the same structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
Brunot
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Annabelle: I believe the gang is asking whether you want to actually
modify the extension, which is not so advisable. In the dos days,
you could
use any kind of made-up extensions to help you remember what a file
contained. In Windows, extensions are program specific and should be
left
alone, or changed so they correspond to another program you want to
use. It
sounds to me as if you want to add something to a file name itself.
Or am I
adding to the misunderstanding Here?

Regards,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Eastwest Quantum Leap Symphonic Choirs.

________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
john.falter
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7



For which program is this .cho?
The purpose of file extentions is to tell windows which program a
file will
open.
It seems as if you want to use the .cho extention as a comment.
Please, tell us why you need to do this.




On 11/6/2016 10:57 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:


What I'm trying to do is add a description to an extension to
substitute the
generic one. For example, I have files with the extension .cho, and
rather
than just the generic "cho file", it should be something like,
"Eastwest
choir file". How would I fix this?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle, in short, Windows 7 can only associate/open a particular
extension if Windows knows about it. it is no longer possible for
the user
to add an extension and then associate it with a program.
Microsoft
has removed that function from Windows 7 in order to prevent
accidental mess
ups. changing is the only action a user can do, which merely
reassociates
without duplicating the extension

maybe if you explain what you want to do, there's a better chance
someone
can help you in whatever you're wanting to achieve.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
Sent: Saturday, Nov 5, 2016 7:46 PM EDT
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

I remember in Windows XP, there was a command where you could Add a
file
type and its extension to the list, but in Windows 7, that command is
mysteriously gone! Is there a workable solution somewhere?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

No, if you change it via the properties it applies to all files of
that file
type.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
Brunot
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Greetings, Sieghart: Isn't that more for a specific file? My purpose
here
was to change the default program for the file type. Otherwise, I
tend to go
to "open with" and find the program, unless it's one of those that
isn't in
that default list.

Cheers,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Gudrun,

Why not simply go to the file you want to change, e.g. the WAV file
in your
example, then press Alt+Enter to get into the properties. Now tab
until you
get to "Change" or press Alt+C. This takes you straight into the list
of
available programs you can choose from or you can tab once to go to
"Browse"
to select a program that is not in the list. You don't have a step 6
in your
list, but this method takes you straight to what would be step 6 in
your
list.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
Brunot
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi all: This is a tricky business, I think. I decided to try and
crack the
nut and here is my mini-tutorial on the subject: (there are probably
other
ways to skin this cat, but this is what I came up with)

File types and program associations in Windows 7

1. press the control-esc to search.

2. in the search box, type file association.

3. Arrow down to change the file type associated with a file extension,
enter 4. If all works right, you'll have a list of Starting with
".386
virtual device driver" and going all the way down to "webcals add
internet
calendar." I believe there is one list going from 1-z, then a second
one
listing other extensions, so just know it's a long list.
5. Find the file extension you want to change program for. Let's say
you
want .wav files to open in SoundForge instead of Windows Media player.
Backtab once from the .wav extension. JAWS will say "change program,
button."
. Hit the spacebar. You will hear "Control panel. set association.
Choose
the program you want to open this file with. .wav."
7. Arrow down, and, hopefully, you should hear "Sony SoundForge, Sony."
8. Tab twice until you hear okay.

Note: if the program you want to use is not in the list of Windows
default
programs, tab to "browse," the field just before "okay."

If, for example, you wanted to associate a sound file extension with
Studio
Recorder, navigate to the directory level, and you are likely to find
"program files." (You may need to backtab to the c drive and right
arrow to
Program files, then down arrow to Program files X86. Find APH in that
directory, and there you will find Studio Recorder and hit enter.
The file
sr.exe is the one you want to show in the file name field. Now, tab
to okay.
Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Which file type/extension is the file and what do you want to add it
to? It
may help to describe this in more detail if you give an example.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 9:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7



I found it, but it won't let me add to the list.



________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
john.falter
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hello annabelle:

1. press the windows key going to search.

2. type ext.

3. arrow to change file extentions.

4. tab to a long list of file extentions.

Good luck.



On 11/4/2016 10:46 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

Hi, it's annabelle.

I know in Windows XP, if you go to "Folder Options", there's a tab that
lists all the available file types and their extensions, as well as
programs
associated with the file types and you can add to the list, however,
I don't
see that in Windows 7. Is it hidden somewhere where I can't find it?
I'm
trying to add a file extension and it's description to the list, but
there
isn't an "Add" button anywhere on the screen. Maybe I'm missing
something?





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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Mike Ulrich <mulrich@...>
 

Another good way to mark keys on a keyboard is to cut strips of the soft side of self-adhesive Velcro to fit individual keys.
I have these strips of soft Velcro on my Tab, Control and Alt keys on the left side of the keyboard.
The Backspace, Enter, Control and Alt keys on the right side. Then the five on the number pad. I also have it on theF4 key too.
I only use those locator dots; I call them Speed Bumps, on my home keys; F and J.

But anyone can mark their keyboard, however it suits them best. But Velcro is a great option because you can cut the material to cover the whole key.

Just my 1.5 cents worth. LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 10:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Thanks again for this idea, I ordered some and after applying them the
F-keys are instantly eaiser to locate.


On 11/1/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I find
it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances like the
laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since these
are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at the same
time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function keys for other
commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes noticeable

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.

And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.

What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.

On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring up
the
applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with reassigning keys be
it
with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with scripts at least for this
particular issue. At this point, the shift+F10 command is as second
nature
to me as is bringing up the system tray.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

I think I have followed your directions.

I first open the Script Manager.

Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.

Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.

I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow down
to
“Send Applications Key.”

Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.

The message I get goes something like this:

“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”

Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I feel I didn't explain well enough.



Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is on
SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and you
should
be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so that your focus
is
"inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.



Does that work?



Steve





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything
down
to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your instructions
then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas! That is
when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the actual
default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I
thought
you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I think
I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close.

Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested using
windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running
another
program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file that
is
not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to wait,
and
the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS
documentation.

If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.









From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard
manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.



Here were the steps I went through:

1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,

2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts

3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,

4. find the SendApplicationKey script,

5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,

6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,

7. press the Print Screen key

8. Tab to the OK button and press it

9. Ctrl + S to compile the script

10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.



Steve



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key
instead
of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to Keyboard
Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that function to
the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried doing
it
in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager had
changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely
baffling
changes to Keyboard Manager.

I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up keyboard
manager.

Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple function
into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?





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Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

Soronel Haetir
 

Thanks again for this idea, I ordered some and after applying them the
F-keys are instantly eaiser to locate.

On 11/1/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
I use locater dots on my keyboards. Be it the laptop or mechanical I find
it convenient to get my Barings faster especially in instances like the
laptop where keys aren't as spaced apart.
Usually keys 2, 6 and 0 on the number row and F4, F7 and F12 since these
are the most frequent functions keys I use with Jaws and at the same
time, I can use them as landmarks for the other function keys for other
commands.
A split second here and there throughout the day and it becomes noticeable

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 10:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond

That's just it, I am so used to having a real applications key from
using desktop keyboards that trying to re-train myself to use
shift+f10 is very difficult. Hard enough to use a single key in the
wrong place.

And worse, with recent HP laptops at least there is no separation
between the F-keys to make groups like you would find on a desktop (or
even on older HP laptops) - despite the fact that I use full size
laptops. That makes using a particular F-key an exercise in counting
every single time for me.

What's even more frustrating, the physical laptop case is slightly
larger than my last HP that had a proper keyboard as I reckon things
but the keys are crunched into a slightly smaller area, and thus why
they got rid of the applications key and the grouping of F-keys.

On 10/31/16, Cristóbal <crismunoz54@gmail.com> wrote:
For what it’s worth, I’ve always used the shift+F10 command to bring up
the
applications menu on my laptops. Never bothered with reassigning keys be
it
with the keyboard manager in Jaws or with scripts at least for this
particular issue. At this point, the shift+F10 command is as second
nature
to me as is bringing up the system tray.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

I think I have followed your directions.

I first open the Script Manager.

Then, I ensure the default file is loaded with control + shift + d.

Then, I press control + l to get a list of scripts.

I press “s” to save pressing PageDown 10,000 times. Then, I arrow down
to
“Send Applications Key.”

Making triple certain I’m on the right line, the one that says “Send
Applications Key,” I press ENTER.

The message I get goes something like this:

“Script not found. “Send Applications Key is found in the Documentation.
Press “Yes” to delete.”

Not intending to delete anything, I bail out at this point.





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 10:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I feel I didn't explain well enough.



Once you've got the list of scripts with Ctrl + L, and your focus is on
SendApplicationKey, press Enter to leave the list of scripts and you
should
be at the start of the actual script. DownArrow once so that your focus
is
"inside" the script, then press Ctrl + D.



Does that work?



Steve





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 23:25
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



Steve:

These steps worked fine – up to a point. I was able to do everything
down
to the point at which I found “Send Applications Key.” Your instructions
then said to press control + d to open the documentation. Alas! That is
when things stopped working. The cursor jumped to a line in the actual
default script source code at the point for “decrease Braille …” I
thought
you perhaps meant to say Alt + d, but that did not work either. I think
I’ll try the help file. I feel I’m pretty close.

Someone else on the list (I do not remember who it was) suggested using
windows to make the switch. Alas! That seemed to require running
another
program. This is the firm’s laptop, and to run an executable file that
is
not part of the firm’s image takes an act of Congress, a year to wait,
and
the actions of someone in our IT department who refuses to read JAWS
documentation.

If I can do it myself, that is far preferable.









From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Griffiths
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 8:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond





Hi Ed,



I've got JAWS18 and, like you, I couldn't find it in the keyboard
manager.
But I was able to find it in the script manager.



Here were the steps I went through:

1. Insert + 0 to go into the script manager,

2. Ctrl + Shift + D to load the default scripts

3. Ctrl + L to get a list of scripts,

4. find the SendApplicationKey script,

5. Ctrl + D to open its documentation,

6. Tab to the Assign To hotkey edit,

7. press the Print Screen key

8. Tab to the OK button and press it

9. Ctrl + S to compile the script

10. Alt + F4 to close the script manager.



Steve



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Marquette,
Ed
Sent: 28 October 2016 15:28
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Keyboard Manager in JAWS and Beyond



I have a Lenovo laptop, which I love, but it has a Print Screen key
instead
of an applications key. That has been no problem. I just go to Keyboard
Manager, choose to send the applications key, and assign that function to
the Print Screen key. It was that easy in JAWS 16. I just tried doing
it
in JAWS 17 (not my favorite version), and I found keyboard manager had
changed entirely. I suspect JAWS 18 will have the same completely
baffling
changes to Keyboard Manager.

I do not remember any mention that JAWS 17 completely screwed up keyboard
manager.

Regardless, has anyone tried to translate this relatively simple function
into the brave new world of JAWS 17 and beyond?





I. Edward Marquette

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Mobile: 816.812.0088

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Re: JAWS reading Heading Level 1

Don Moore <donmoore@...>
 

Thank you very much for this explanation.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 2:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS reading Heading Level 1

Don Moore <donmoore@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
When I was reviewing my E-mail messages this evening, I found an
annoying problem with one particular message. As I cursored down from
line to line, JAWS

said Heading Level 1 at the beginning of every line.

The entire message may be in Heading 1 style. In case you aren't aware of
it, you can create headings, lists, tables etc., in mail messages. The
author of the message in question may have accidentally declared most of it
as a heading. If you type Insert+F, JAWS will tell you the style of the
paragraph that the cursor is in. In this case, it will probably be in
Heading 1 style.


Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Dave...
 

Annabelle,
 
Try using the main program file for East/West and see if it will work on a .CHO file. It might be smart enough to open the Wordbuilder function.
 
Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2016 06:43
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

I trried, and it's not there either.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Annabelle,
 
Try looking in Program Files or Program Files X86.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

I looked in Program Data, and all I could find in the Wordbuilder folder of
Eastwest was "Wordbuilder VST.dll" and "Wordbuilder VSTx64.dll". What's
.dll?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 5:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle,

Seems to me that Mario has pointed you in the right direction. First you
need to find the executable file for Wordbuilder, likely in a folder under
Program Data on your main drive. This is likely a file with the .EXE
extension. Duplicate the entire path to that file in notepad, so that you
can copy it in its entirety. Then highlight your .CHO file, and with the
context menu, select "Open With". Then when you are prompted to enter your
own file, paste that entire path to the executable in the edit field and
press Save or OK. That should do it.

The hard part is finding the executable that you need. Good luck,.

Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 17:32
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


So I wonder, how would I get .cho files to open with Wordbuilder which is
now
built into Play?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 5:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle, here's another email from Michael B. see if one of the
suggestions from a former list member has to offer:


-------- Original Message --------
From: Michael B. [mailto:mwb5781@...]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 7:58 PM EST
To: Mario <mrb620@...>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Again Mario,

Okay, I thought she wanted the, .cho, extension to be read as....
That's why I suggested the default dictionary.

Now, here's some info from Carlos.  It's a couple of different emails
that I've put together.

The easiest way to do this is to highlight an existing file with the
extension and then select
"Open with"
from the context menu so you can associate it with an application.  Once
the file type has been associated to an application / program for
opening it, it should be added to that file types list.

Since that list is pulled from the registry, adding an extension via the
"Open with"
dialog should cause it to be listed there as well.  However, since the
whole point of that list is to associate extensions with specific
applications, the point should be moot when using the
"Open with"
dialog as I described since it will accomplish the same thing.
Takes care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Dodgers, try again next year!

     ----- Original Message -----
     *From:* Mario <mailto:mrb620@...>
     *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto: >
     *Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2016 3:14 PM
     *Subject:* Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     as I outlined before, in Windows 7, Microsoft has removed the function
     to add or modify the filetype or anything else about that extension,
     other than what program is used to open a file with a particular
     extension.

     if there is a way, I haven't found it, and would like to know if
     someone
     knows of one.

       -------- Original Message --------
     From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
     Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 5:51 PM EST
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     The description is shown as "cho file", and I want to change it to
     "Eastwest
     Choir File".

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:44 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     ok. and if you locate a file with the .cho extension, you want to
change
     the file type description from what is shown to something else?


     -------- Original Message --------
     From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
     Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 5:38 PM EST
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Yes.

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:31 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     so I understand, the program that opens .cho files is Wordbuilder?

     -------- Original Message --------
     From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
     Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 4:52 PM EST
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     .cho is a "Choir file", and should be opened with "Wordbuilder" in
     Eastwest
     Symphonic Choirs. Since it's not being recognized as a Choir file,
     Windows 7
     can't seem to recognize Wordbuilder as a regular program, so it asks
     me to
     choose which program I want to use to open this kind of file. This
     is where
     I'm confused!

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
     Weitzel
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 1:38 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hi Annabelle,

     I also would like to take a step back and ask again what exactly you
     want to
     do. The thread is becoming long and initially I thought you simply
     wanted to
     say, for example, change how MP3 files should open in iTunes rather
than
     Windows Media Player which is easily achieved. What exactly is this
.cho
     file type, e.g. what program do you want to use to open it? You
     mentioned
     some East West Choir so is this some sort of music thing?

     Regards,
     Sieghard

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
     Susan Morison
     Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 1:02 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Yes.

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
     Carlson
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:49 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     annabelle,

     That I cannot help you with. Usually once a file extension is stored
     on your

     computer, it should populate that list upon a subsequent inquiry.
     Have you
     tried clicking on a file of that type, or using Alt+Enter on that
     file type,

     to help the computer "learn" that it exists?

     Farfar Dave
     Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


     ----- Original Message -----
     From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...
     <mailto:foristnights@...>>
     To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:38
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


     What if the .cho extension isn't on the list? How would I put it on?

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
     Carlson
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:29 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Annabelle,

     Give this a try...

     Type "set Associations" in the search field.

     In the result, there will eventually be a list (after it populates)
     of all
     the extensions on your machine. Scroll down to the one you want to
     change,
     and tab backward to the Change Default button. In that dialog, you
     associate

     a program with that extension, and it appears that the list will
     then show
     your program name (e.g. East/West Choir) to that extension.


     Farfar Dave
     Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


     ----- Original Message -----
     From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...
     <mailto:foristnights@...>>
     To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:55
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


     I think it's a little misunderstanding on your part. Back in
Windows XP,
     each new extension added to the list had a description field, so for
     example, Extension: m4p. Type a description of the file, Protected
     AAC Audio
     File. That was how the dialog box was displayed, at least in that
     version. I
     thought Windows 7 would've had the same structure.

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
     Brunot
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:42 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hi Annabelle: I believe the gang is asking whether you want to actually
     modify the extension, which is not so advisable. In the dos days,
     you could
     use any kind of made-up extensions to help you remember what a file
     contained. In Windows, extensions are program specific and should be
     left
     alone, or changed so they correspond to another program you want to
     use. It
     sounds to me as if you want to add something to a file name itself.
     Or am I
     adding to the misunderstanding Here?

     Regards,



     Gudrun

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
     Susan Morison
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:51 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Eastwest Quantum Leap Symphonic Choirs.

     ________________________________

     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
     john.falter
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:47 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7



            For which program is this .cho?
     The purpose of file extentions is to tell windows which program a
     file will
     open.
     It seems as if you want to use the .cho extention as a comment.
     Please, tell us why you need to do this.




     On 11/6/2016 10:57 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:


     What I'm trying to do is add a description to an extension to
     substitute the
     generic one. For example, I have files with the extension .cho, and
     rather
     than just the generic "cho file", it should be something like,
"Eastwest
     choir file". How would I fix this?

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:29 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Annabelle, in short, Windows 7 can only associate/open a particular
     extension if Windows knows about it. it is no longer possible for
     the user
     to add an extension and then associate it with a program.
     Microsoft
     has removed that function from Windows 7 in order to prevent
     accidental mess
     ups. changing is the only action a user can do, which merely
     reassociates
     without duplicating the extension

     maybe if you explain what you want to do, there's a better chance
     someone
     can help you in whatever you're wanting to achieve.


     -------- Original Message --------
     From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
     Sent: Saturday, Nov 5, 2016 7:46 PM EDT
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     I remember in Windows XP, there was a command where you could Add a
file
     type and its extension to the list, but in Windows 7, that command is
     mysteriously gone! Is there a workable solution somewhere?

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
     Weitzel
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:41 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     No, if you change it via the properties it applies to all files of
     that file
     type.

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
     Brunot
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:37 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Greetings, Sieghart: Isn't that more for a specific file? My purpose
     here
     was to change the default program for the file type. Otherwise, I
     tend to go
     to "open with" and find the program, unless it's one of those that
     isn't in
     that default list.

     Cheers,



     Gudrun

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
     Weitzel
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:36 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hi Gudrun,

     Why not simply go to the file you want to change, e.g. the WAV file
     in your
     example, then press Alt+Enter to get into the properties. Now tab
     until you
     get to "Change" or press Alt+C. This takes you straight into the
list of
     available programs you can choose from or you can tab once to go to
     "Browse"
     to select a program that is not in the list. You don't have a step 6
     in your
     list, but this method takes you straight to what would be step 6 in
your
     list.

     Regards,
     Sieghard

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
     Brunot
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:21 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hi all: This is a tricky business, I think. I decided to try and
     crack the
     nut and here is my mini-tutorial on the subject: (there are probably
     other
     ways to skin this cat, but this is what I came up with)

     File types and program associations in Windows 7

     1. press the control-esc to search.

     2. in the search box, type file association.

     3. Arrow down to change the file type associated with a file extension,
     enter 4. If all works right, you'll have a list of Starting with
     ".386
     virtual device driver" and going all the way down to "webcals add
     internet
     calendar." I believe there is one list going from 1-z, then a
second one
     listing other extensions, so just know it's a long list.
     5. Find the file extension you want to change program for. Let's
say you
     want .wav files to open in SoundForge instead of Windows Media player.
     Backtab once from the .wav extension. JAWS will say "change program,
     button."
     . Hit the spacebar. You will hear "Control panel. set association.
     Choose
     the program you want to open this file with. .wav."
     7. Arrow down, and, hopefully, you should hear "Sony SoundForge, Sony."
     8. Tab twice until you hear okay.

     Note: if the program you want to use is not in the list of Windows
     default
     programs, tab to "browse," the field just before "okay."

     If, for example, you wanted to associate a sound file extension with
     Studio
     Recorder, navigate to the directory level, and you are likely to find
     "program files." (You may need to backtab to the c drive and right
     arrow to
     Program files, then down arrow to Program files X86. Find APH in that
     directory, and there you will find Studio Recorder and hit enter.
     The file
     sr.exe is the one you want to show in the file name field. Now, tab
     to okay.
     Gudrun

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
     Weitzel
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:11 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Which file type/extension is the file and what do you want to add it
     to? It
     may help to describe this in more detail if you give an example.

     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
     Susan Morison
     Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 9:11 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7



     I found it, but it won't let me add to the list.



     ________________________________

     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
     john.falter
     Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 9:03 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hello annabelle:

     1. press the windows key going to search.

     2. type ext.

     3. arrow to change file extentions.

     4. tab to a long list of file extentions.

     Good luck.



     On 11/4/2016 10:46 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

     Hi, it's annabelle.

     I know in Windows XP, if you go to "Folder Options", there's a tab that
     lists all the available file types and their extensions, as well as
     programs
     associated with the file types and you can add to the list, however,
     I don't
     see that in Windows 7. Is it hidden somewhere where I can't find
it? I'm
     trying to add a file extension and it's description to the list, but
     there
     isn't an "Add" button anywhere on the screen. Maybe I'm missing
     something?





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Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

I trried, and it's not there either.



From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Annabelle,
 
Try looking in Program Files or Program Files X86.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

I looked in Program Data, and all I could find in the Wordbuilder folder of
Eastwest was "Wordbuilder VST.dll" and "Wordbuilder VSTx64.dll". What's
.dll?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 5:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle,

Seems to me that Mario has pointed you in the right direction. First you
need to find the executable file for Wordbuilder, likely in a folder under
Program Data on your main drive. This is likely a file with the .EXE
extension. Duplicate the entire path to that file in notepad, so that you
can copy it in its entirety. Then highlight your .CHO file, and with the
context menu, select "Open With". Then when you are prompted to enter your
own file, paste that entire path to the executable in the edit field and
press Save or OK. That should do it.

The hard part is finding the executable that you need. Good luck,.

Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 17:32
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


So I wonder, how would I get .cho files to open with Wordbuilder which is
now
built into Play?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 5:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle, here's another email from Michael B. see if one of the
suggestions from a former list member has to offer:


-------- Original Message --------
From: Michael B. [mailto:mwb5781@...]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 7:58 PM EST
To: Mario <mrb620@...>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Again Mario,

Okay, I thought she wanted the, .cho, extension to be read as....
That's why I suggested the default dictionary.

Now, here's some info from Carlos.  It's a couple of different emails
that I've put together.

The easiest way to do this is to highlight an existing file with the
extension and then select
"Open with"
from the context menu so you can associate it with an application.  Once
the file type has been associated to an application / program for
opening it, it should be added to that file types list.

Since that list is pulled from the registry, adding an extension via the
"Open with"
dialog should cause it to be listed there as well.  However, since the
whole point of that list is to associate extensions with specific
applications, the point should be moot when using the
"Open with"
dialog as I described since it will accomplish the same thing.
Takes care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Dodgers, try again next year!

     ----- Original Message -----
     *From:* Mario <mailto:mrb620@...>
     *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto: >
     *Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2016 3:14 PM
     *Subject:* Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     as I outlined before, in Windows 7, Microsoft has removed the function
     to add or modify the filetype or anything else about that extension,
     other than what program is used to open a file with a particular
     extension.

     if there is a way, I haven't found it, and would like to know if
     someone
     knows of one.

       -------- Original Message --------
     From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
     Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 5:51 PM EST
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     The description is shown as "cho file", and I want to change it to
     "Eastwest
     Choir File".

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:44 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     ok. and if you locate a file with the .cho extension, you want to
change
     the file type description from what is shown to something else?


     -------- Original Message --------
     From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
     Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 5:38 PM EST
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Yes.

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:31 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     so I understand, the program that opens .cho files is Wordbuilder?

     -------- Original Message --------
     From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
     Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 4:52 PM EST
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     .cho is a "Choir file", and should be opened with "Wordbuilder" in
     Eastwest
     Symphonic Choirs. Since it's not being recognized as a Choir file,
     Windows 7
     can't seem to recognize Wordbuilder as a regular program, so it asks
     me to
     choose which program I want to use to open this kind of file. This
     is where
     I'm confused!

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
     Weitzel
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 1:38 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hi Annabelle,

     I also would like to take a step back and ask again what exactly you
     want to
     do. The thread is becoming long and initially I thought you simply
     wanted to
     say, for example, change how MP3 files should open in iTunes rather
than
     Windows Media Player which is easily achieved. What exactly is this
.cho
     file type, e.g. what program do you want to use to open it? You
     mentioned
     some East West Choir so is this some sort of music thing?

     Regards,
     Sieghard

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
     Susan Morison
     Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 1:02 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Yes.

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
     Carlson
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:49 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     annabelle,

     That I cannot help you with. Usually once a file extension is stored
     on your

     computer, it should populate that list upon a subsequent inquiry.
     Have you
     tried clicking on a file of that type, or using Alt+Enter on that
     file type,

     to help the computer "learn" that it exists?

     Farfar Dave
     Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


     ----- Original Message -----
     From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...
     <mailto:foristnights@...>>
     To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:38
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


     What if the .cho extension isn't on the list? How would I put it on?

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
     Carlson
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:29 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Annabelle,

     Give this a try...

     Type "set Associations" in the search field.

     In the result, there will eventually be a list (after it populates)
     of all
     the extensions on your machine. Scroll down to the one you want to
     change,
     and tab backward to the Change Default button. In that dialog, you
     associate

     a program with that extension, and it appears that the list will
     then show
     your program name (e.g. East/West Choir) to that extension.


     Farfar Dave
     Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


     ----- Original Message -----
     From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...
     <mailto:foristnights@...>>
     To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:55
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


     I think it's a little misunderstanding on your part. Back in
Windows XP,
     each new extension added to the list had a description field, so for
     example, Extension: m4p. Type a description of the file, Protected
     AAC Audio
     File. That was how the dialog box was displayed, at least in that
     version. I
     thought Windows 7 would've had the same structure.

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
     Brunot
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:42 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hi Annabelle: I believe the gang is asking whether you want to actually
     modify the extension, which is not so advisable. In the dos days,
     you could
     use any kind of made-up extensions to help you remember what a file
     contained. In Windows, extensions are program specific and should be
     left
     alone, or changed so they correspond to another program you want to
     use. It
     sounds to me as if you want to add something to a file name itself.
     Or am I
     adding to the misunderstanding Here?

     Regards,



     Gudrun

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
     Susan Morison
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:51 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Eastwest Quantum Leap Symphonic Choirs.

     ________________________________

     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
     john.falter
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:47 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7



            For which program is this .cho?
     The purpose of file extentions is to tell windows which program a
     file will
     open.
     It seems as if you want to use the .cho extention as a comment.
     Please, tell us why you need to do this.




     On 11/6/2016 10:57 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:


     What I'm trying to do is add a description to an extension to
     substitute the
     generic one. For example, I have files with the extension .cho, and
     rather
     than just the generic "cho file", it should be something like,
"Eastwest
     choir file". How would I fix this?

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:29 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Annabelle, in short, Windows 7 can only associate/open a particular
     extension if Windows knows about it. it is no longer possible for
     the user
     to add an extension and then associate it with a program.
     Microsoft
     has removed that function from Windows 7 in order to prevent
     accidental mess
     ups. changing is the only action a user can do, which merely
     reassociates
     without duplicating the extension

     maybe if you explain what you want to do, there's a better chance
     someone
     can help you in whatever you're wanting to achieve.


     -------- Original Message --------
     From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
     Sent: Saturday, Nov 5, 2016 7:46 PM EDT
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     I remember in Windows XP, there was a command where you could Add a
file
     type and its extension to the list, but in Windows 7, that command is
     mysteriously gone! Is there a workable solution somewhere?

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
     Weitzel
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:41 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     No, if you change it via the properties it applies to all files of
     that file
     type.

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
     Brunot
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:37 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Greetings, Sieghart: Isn't that more for a specific file? My purpose
     here
     was to change the default program for the file type. Otherwise, I
     tend to go
     to "open with" and find the program, unless it's one of those that
     isn't in
     that default list.

     Cheers,



     Gudrun

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
     Weitzel
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:36 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hi Gudrun,

     Why not simply go to the file you want to change, e.g. the WAV file
     in your
     example, then press Alt+Enter to get into the properties. Now tab
     until you
     get to "Change" or press Alt+C. This takes you straight into the
list of
     available programs you can choose from or you can tab once to go to
     "Browse"
     to select a program that is not in the list. You don't have a step 6
     in your
     list, but this method takes you straight to what would be step 6 in
your
     list.

     Regards,
     Sieghard

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
     Brunot
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:21 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hi all: This is a tricky business, I think. I decided to try and
     crack the
     nut and here is my mini-tutorial on the subject: (there are probably
     other
     ways to skin this cat, but this is what I came up with)

     File types and program associations in Windows 7

     1. press the control-esc to search.

     2. in the search box, type file association.

     3. Arrow down to change the file type associated with a file extension,
     enter 4. If all works right, you'll have a list of Starting with
     ".386
     virtual device driver" and going all the way down to "webcals add
     internet
     calendar." I believe there is one list going from 1-z, then a
second one
     listing other extensions, so just know it's a long list.
     5. Find the file extension you want to change program for. Let's
say you
     want .wav files to open in SoundForge instead of Windows Media player.
     Backtab once from the .wav extension. JAWS will say "change program,
     button."
     . Hit the spacebar. You will hear "Control panel. set association.
     Choose
     the program you want to open this file with. .wav."
     7. Arrow down, and, hopefully, you should hear "Sony SoundForge, Sony."
     8. Tab twice until you hear okay.

     Note: if the program you want to use is not in the list of Windows
     default
     programs, tab to "browse," the field just before "okay."

     If, for example, you wanted to associate a sound file extension with
     Studio
     Recorder, navigate to the directory level, and you are likely to find
     "program files." (You may need to backtab to the c drive and right
     arrow to
     Program files, then down arrow to Program files X86. Find APH in that
     directory, and there you will find Studio Recorder and hit enter.
     The file
     sr.exe is the one you want to show in the file name field. Now, tab
     to okay.
     Gudrun

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
     Weitzel
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:11 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Which file type/extension is the file and what do you want to add it
     to? It
     may help to describe this in more detail if you give an example.

     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
     Susan Morison
     Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 9:11 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7



     I found it, but it won't let me add to the list.



     ________________________________

     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
     john.falter
     Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 9:03 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hello annabelle:

     1. press the windows key going to search.

     2. type ext.

     3. arrow to change file extentions.

     4. tab to a long list of file extentions.

     Good luck.



     On 11/4/2016 10:46 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

     Hi, it's annabelle.

     I know in Windows XP, if you go to "Folder Options", there's a tab that
     lists all the available file types and their extensions, as well as
     programs
     associated with the file types and you can add to the list, however,
     I don't
     see that in Windows 7. Is it hidden somewhere where I can't find
it? I'm
     trying to add a file extension and it's description to the list, but
     there
     isn't an "Add" button anywhere on the screen. Maybe I'm missing
     something?





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Re: will jaws work on a windows 2 in 1 laptop/tablet

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

As you probably know, Ed, Lenovo took over the old IBM product line.  Initially IBM remained heavily involved. I don’t know if they still keep a finger in the pie, but, as a former IBM customer, it’s reassuring to know the quality remains high.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marquette, Ed
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 10:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will jaws work on a windows 2 in 1 laptop/tablet

 

For what it is worth, I’m on my second Lenovo Yoga.  Both have been excellent.  The second one I use only because my firm bought it.  The other is my personal machine, which I bought in November 2011.

The Lenovos are, by far, the best computers I’ve ever used – totally reliable.

Our firm rolled out Windows 10 this September.  Lawyers were given a choice between the Lenovo Yoga or the Microsoft Surface Books.  There have been no problems with the Lenovo laptops, which all convert to tablets.

The Surface Books have been marginal at best.  One of my partners cannot run Outlook and Microsoft Word at the same time, and has to use Citrix.  For others, the problems have been less severe.

Our experience is not a scientific study, but we do have nearly 500 lawyers.

Lenovo may not necessarily be the best convertible laptop/tablet computers, but our experience has been uniformly positive.

Our experience with the Surface Books has been disappointing.

Those were the only choices we were given.  So, I cannot speak to other products.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 6:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: will jaws work on a windows 2 in 1 laptop/tablet

 

It depends on the machine, but most of them nowadays it would work as most of the convertible laptops run a full version of Windows 10 Home 64 Bit.

I was just about to buy a Linovo Flex 3 convertible laptop. On that one you can't take off the screen, but you can flip it around completely so it lies flat against the botton of the laptop, at that point the keyboard is disabled and you can put the laptop on your lap with the keyboard facing down and the screen facing up and use it in tablet mode and with touch. I have, however, decided against the Linovo as the reviews are mostly good, but also mixed and it is somewhat limited with respect to RAM upgrades etc. It only has one RAM slot and comes with 8 Gb so if you want 16 Gb you basically have to get rid of the 8 Gb and buy a single 16 Gb stick. I ended up spending quite a bit more money and ordered an Asus Zenbook but in a 15.6 inch size. It still has a full 102 key keyboard with numeric pad, but it comes standard with an I7 6700U CPU, 16 Gb, a 512 Gb super-high speed SSD and the touch display is 4K wich my wife will appreciate. It's a beautiful machine and very much more like an Apple laptop or Microsoft Surface in quality.

The only laptop I know of which is basically a tablet to which you can attach a keyboard is the Microsoft Surface.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of paul lemm
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: will jaws work on a windows 2 in 1 laptop/tablet

 

Hi,

 

So I was thinking of purchasing one of these 2 in 1 windows 10 laptop/tablets, so it’s the one where you have a tablet  that connects to a keyboard  so can  be used like a lap top or you can remove the tablet and use it as , well a tablet.  Was just wondering will jaws 16 install and run on this? I wasn’t sure as it is a tablet with windows if you can just install and run standard windows programs like jaws and any other programs I use currently on my windows 10 full desktop or can you only use programs specially designed for tablets on it?

 

Paul

 


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using final find in Windows 7

John J. Fioravanti, Jr.
 

Hello: I am having trouble using the file find in windows 7, that is, in
restricting by dates or folders. Has anyone mastered this problem?
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

So I wonder, how would I get .cho files to open with Wordbuilder which is
now built into Play?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 5:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle, here's another email from Michael B. see if one of the
suggestions from a former list member has to offer:


-------- Original Message --------
From: Michael B. [mailto:mwb5781@charter.net]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 7:58 PM EST
To: Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Again Mario,

Okay, I thought she wanted the, .cho, extension to be read as....
That's why I suggested the default dictionary.

Now, here's some info from Carlos. It's a couple of different emails that
I've put together.

The easiest way to do this is to highlight an existing file with the
extension and then select "Open with"
from the context menu so you can associate it with an application. Once the
file type has been associated to an application / program for opening it, it
should be added to that file types list.

Since that list is pulled from the registry, adding an extension via the
"Open with"
dialog should cause it to be listed there as well. However, since the whole
point of that list is to associate extensions with specific applications,
the point should be moot when using the "Open with"
dialog as I described since it will accomplish the same thing.
Takes care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool. Dodgers, try again next year!

----- Original Message -----
*From:* Mario <mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto: >
*Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2016 3:14 PM
*Subject:* Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

as I outlined before, in Windows 7, Microsoft has removed the function
to add or modify the filetype or anything else about that extension,
other than what program is used to open a file with a particular
extension.

if there is a way, I haven't found it, and would like to know if
someone
knows of one.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 5:51 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

The description is shown as "cho file", and I want to change it to
"Eastwest
Choir File".

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

ok. and if you locate a file with the .cho extension, you want to
change
the file type description from what is shown to something else?


-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 5:38 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

so I understand, the program that opens .cho files is Wordbuilder?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 4:52 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

.cho is a "Choir file", and should be opened with "Wordbuilder" in
Eastwest
Symphonic Choirs. Since it's not being recognized as a Choir file,
Windows 7
can't seem to recognize Wordbuilder as a regular program, so it asks
me to
choose which program I want to use to open this kind of file. This
is where
I'm confused!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Annabelle,

I also would like to take a step back and ask again what exactly you
want to
do. The thread is becoming long and initially I thought you simply
wanted to
say, for example, change how MP3 files should open in iTunes rather
than
Windows Media Player which is easily achieved. What exactly is this
.cho
file type, e.g. what program do you want to use to open it? You
mentioned
some East West Choir so is this some sort of music thing?

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 1:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Yes.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

annabelle,

That I cannot help you with. Usually once a file extension is stored
on your

computer, it should populate that list upon a subsequent inquiry.
Have you
tried clicking on a file of that type, or using Alt+Enter on that
file type,

to help the computer "learn" that it exists?

Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@comcast.net
<mailto:foristnights@comcast.net>>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:38
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


What if the .cho extension isn't on the list? How would I put it on?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle,

Give this a try...

Type "set Associations" in the search field.

In the result, there will eventually be a list (after it populates)
of all
the extensions on your machine. Scroll down to the one you want to
change,
and tab backward to the Change Default button. In that dialog, you
associate

a program with that extension, and it appears that the list will
then show
your program name (e.g. East/West Choir) to that extension.


Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@comcast.net
<mailto:foristnights@comcast.net>>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:55
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


I think it's a little misunderstanding on your part. Back in Windows
XP,
each new extension added to the list had a description field, so for
example, Extension: m4p. Type a description of the file, Protected
AAC Audio
File. That was how the dialog box was displayed, at least in that
version. I
thought Windows 7 would've had the same structure.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
Brunot
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Annabelle: I believe the gang is asking whether you want to actually
modify the extension, which is not so advisable. In the dos days,
you could
use any kind of made-up extensions to help you remember what a file
contained. In Windows, extensions are program specific and should be
left
alone, or changed so they correspond to another program you want to
use. It
sounds to me as if you want to add something to a file name itself.
Or am I
adding to the misunderstanding Here?

Regards,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Eastwest Quantum Leap Symphonic Choirs.

________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
john.falter
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7



For which program is this .cho?
The purpose of file extentions is to tell windows which program a
file will
open.
It seems as if you want to use the .cho extention as a comment.
Please, tell us why you need to do this.




On 11/6/2016 10:57 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:


What I'm trying to do is add a description to an extension to
substitute the
generic one. For example, I have files with the extension .cho, and
rather
than just the generic "cho file", it should be something like,
"Eastwest
choir file". How would I fix this?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle, in short, Windows 7 can only associate/open a particular
extension if Windows knows about it. it is no longer possible for
the user
to add an extension and then associate it with a program.
Microsoft
has removed that function from Windows 7 in order to prevent
accidental mess
ups. changing is the only action a user can do, which merely
reassociates
without duplicating the extension

maybe if you explain what you want to do, there's a better chance
someone
can help you in whatever you're wanting to achieve.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, Nov 5, 2016 7:46 PM EDT
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

I remember in Windows XP, there was a command where you could Add a
file
type and its extension to the list, but in Windows 7, that command is
mysteriously gone! Is there a workable solution somewhere?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

No, if you change it via the properties it applies to all files of
that file
type.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
Brunot
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Greetings, Sieghart: Isn't that more for a specific file? My purpose
here
was to change the default program for the file type. Otherwise, I
tend to go
to "open with" and find the program, unless it's one of those that
isn't in
that default list.

Cheers,



Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Gudrun,

Why not simply go to the file you want to change, e.g. the WAV file
in your
example, then press Alt+Enter to get into the properties. Now tab
until you
get to "Change" or press Alt+C. This takes you straight into the list
of
available programs you can choose from or you can tab once to go to
"Browse"
to select a program that is not in the list. You don't have a step 6
in your
list, but this method takes you straight to what would be step 6 in
your
list.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
Brunot
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi all: This is a tricky business, I think. I decided to try and
crack the
nut and here is my mini-tutorial on the subject: (there are probably
other
ways to skin this cat, but this is what I came up with)

File types and program associations in Windows 7

1. press the control-esc to search.

2. in the search box, type file association.

3. Arrow down to change the file type associated with a file extension,
enter 4. If all works right, you'll have a list of Starting with
".386
virtual device driver" and going all the way down to "webcals add
internet
calendar." I believe there is one list going from 1-z, then a second
one
listing other extensions, so just know it's a long list.
5. Find the file extension you want to change program for. Let's say
you
want .wav files to open in SoundForge instead of Windows Media player.
Backtab once from the .wav extension. JAWS will say "change program,
button."
. Hit the spacebar. You will hear "Control panel. set association.
Choose
the program you want to open this file with. .wav."
7. Arrow down, and, hopefully, you should hear "Sony SoundForge, Sony."
8. Tab twice until you hear okay.

Note: if the program you want to use is not in the list of Windows
default
programs, tab to "browse," the field just before "okay."

If, for example, you wanted to associate a sound file extension with
Studio
Recorder, navigate to the directory level, and you are likely to find
"program files." (You may need to backtab to the c drive and right
arrow to
Program files, then down arrow to Program files X86. Find APH in that
directory, and there you will find Studio Recorder and hit enter.
The file
sr.exe is the one you want to show in the file name field. Now, tab
to okay.
Gudrun

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Which file type/extension is the file and what do you want to add it
to? It
may help to describe this in more detail if you give an example.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 9:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7



I found it, but it won't let me add to the list.



________________________________

From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
john.falter
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hello annabelle:

1. press the windows key going to search.

2. type ext.

3. arrow to change file extentions.

4. tab to a long list of file extentions.

Good luck.



On 11/4/2016 10:46 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

Hi, it's annabelle.

I know in Windows XP, if you go to "Folder Options", there's a tab that
lists all the available file types and their extensions, as well as
programs
associated with the file types and you can add to the list, however,
I don't
see that in Windows 7. Is it hidden somewhere where I can't find it?
I'm
trying to add a file extension and it's description to the list, but
there
isn't an "Add" button anywhere on the screen. Maybe I'm missing
something?





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Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Mike B. <mwb5781@...>
 

Hi Annabelle,
 
Try looking in Program Files or Program Files X86.
Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

I looked in Program Data, and all I could find in the Wordbuilder folder of
Eastwest was "Wordbuilder VST.dll" and "Wordbuilder VSTx64.dll". What's
.dll?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Carlson
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 5:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle,

Seems to me that Mario has pointed you in the right direction. First you
need to find the executable file for Wordbuilder, likely in a folder under
Program Data on your main drive. This is likely a file with the .EXE
extension. Duplicate the entire path to that file in notepad, so that you
can copy it in its entirety. Then highlight your .CHO file, and with the
context menu, select "Open With". Then when you are prompted to enter your
own file, paste that entire path to the executable in the edit field and
press Save or OK. That should do it.

The hard part is finding the executable that you need. Good luck,.

Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 17:32
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


So I wonder, how would I get .cho files to open with Wordbuilder which is
now
built into Play?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 5:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Annabelle, here's another email from Michael B. see if one of the
suggestions from a former list member has to offer:


-------- Original Message --------
From: Michael B. [mailto:mwb5781@...]
Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 7:58 PM EST
To: Mario <mrb620@...>
Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

Hi Again Mario,

Okay, I thought she wanted the, .cho, extension to be read as....
That's why I suggested the default dictionary.

Now, here's some info from Carlos.  It's a couple of different emails
that I've put together.

The easiest way to do this is to highlight an existing file with the
extension and then select
"Open with"
from the context menu so you can associate it with an application.  Once
the file type has been associated to an application / program for
opening it, it should be added to that file types list.

Since that list is pulled from the registry, adding an extension via the
"Open with"
dialog should cause it to be listed there as well.  However, since the
whole point of that list is to associate extensions with specific
applications, the point should be moot when using the
"Open with"
dialog as I described since it will accomplish the same thing.
Takes care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.  Dodgers, try again next year!

     ----- Original Message -----
     *From:* Mario <mailto:mrb620@...>
     *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto: >
     *Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2016 3:14 PM
     *Subject:* Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     as I outlined before, in Windows 7, Microsoft has removed the function
     to add or modify the filetype or anything else about that extension,
     other than what program is used to open a file with a particular
     extension.

     if there is a way, I haven't found it, and would like to know if
     someone
     knows of one.

       -------- Original Message --------
     From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
     Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 5:51 PM EST
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     The description is shown as "cho file", and I want to change it to
     "Eastwest
     Choir File".

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:44 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     ok. and if you locate a file with the .cho extension, you want to
change
     the file type description from what is shown to something else?


     -------- Original Message --------
     From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
     Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 5:38 PM EST
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Yes.

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 2:31 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     so I understand, the program that opens .cho files is Wordbuilder?

     -------- Original Message --------
     From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
     Sent: Sunday, Nov 6, 2016 4:52 PM EST
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     .cho is a "Choir file", and should be opened with "Wordbuilder" in
     Eastwest
     Symphonic Choirs. Since it's not being recognized as a Choir file,
     Windows 7
     can't seem to recognize Wordbuilder as a regular program, so it asks
     me to
     choose which program I want to use to open this kind of file. This
     is where
     I'm confused!

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
     Weitzel
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 1:38 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hi Annabelle,

     I also would like to take a step back and ask again what exactly you
     want to
     do. The thread is becoming long and initially I thought you simply
     wanted to
     say, for example, change how MP3 files should open in iTunes rather
than
     Windows Media Player which is easily achieved. What exactly is this
.cho
     file type, e.g. what program do you want to use to open it? You
     mentioned
     some East West Choir so is this some sort of music thing?

     Regards,
     Sieghard

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
     Susan Morison
     Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2016 1:02 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Yes.

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
     Carlson
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:49 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     annabelle,

     That I cannot help you with. Usually once a file extension is stored
     on your

     computer, it should populate that list upon a subsequent inquiry.
     Have you
     tried clicking on a file of that type, or using Alt+Enter on that
     file type,

     to help the computer "learn" that it exists?

     Farfar Dave
     Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


     ----- Original Message -----
     From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...
     <mailto:foristnights@...>>
     To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:38
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


     What if the .cho extension isn't on the list? How would I put it on?

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
     Carlson
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 12:29 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Annabelle,

     Give this a try...

     Type "set Associations" in the search field.

     In the result, there will eventually be a list (after it populates)
     of all
     the extensions on your machine. Scroll down to the one you want to
     change,
     and tab backward to the Change Default button. In that dialog, you
     associate

     a program with that extension, and it appears that the list will
     then show
     your program name (e.g. East/West Choir) to that extension.


     Farfar Dave
     Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


     ----- Original Message -----
     From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...
     <mailto:foristnights@...>>
     To: <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>>
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:55
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7


     I think it's a little misunderstanding on your part. Back in
Windows XP,
     each new extension added to the list had a description field, so for
     example, Extension: m4p. Type a description of the file, Protected
     AAC Audio
     File. That was how the dialog box was displayed, at least in that
     version. I
     thought Windows 7 would've had the same structure.

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
     Brunot
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 10:42 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hi Annabelle: I believe the gang is asking whether you want to actually
     modify the extension, which is not so advisable. In the dos days,
     you could
     use any kind of made-up extensions to help you remember what a file
     contained. In Windows, extensions are program specific and should be
     left
     alone, or changed so they correspond to another program you want to
     use. It
     sounds to me as if you want to add something to a file name itself.
     Or am I
     adding to the misunderstanding Here?

     Regards,



     Gudrun

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
     Susan Morison
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:51 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Eastwest Quantum Leap Symphonic Choirs.

     ________________________________

     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
     john.falter
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 8:47 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7



            For which program is this .cho?
     The purpose of file extentions is to tell windows which program a
     file will
     open.
     It seems as if you want to use the .cho extention as a comment.
     Please, tell us why you need to do this.




     On 11/6/2016 10:57 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:


     What I'm trying to do is add a description to an extension to
     substitute the
     generic one. For example, I have files with the extension .cho, and
     rather
     than just the generic "cho file", it should be something like,
"Eastwest
     choir file". How would I fix this?

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
     Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2016 7:29 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Annabelle, in short, Windows 7 can only associate/open a particular
     extension if Windows knows about it. it is no longer possible for
     the user
     to add an extension and then associate it with a program.
     Microsoft
     has removed that function from Windows 7 in order to prevent
     accidental mess
     ups. changing is the only action a user can do, which merely
     reassociates
     without duplicating the extension

     maybe if you explain what you want to do, there's a better chance
     someone
     can help you in whatever you're wanting to achieve.


     -------- Original Message --------
     From: Annabelle Susan Morison [mailto:foristnights@...]
     Sent: Saturday, Nov 5, 2016 7:46 PM EDT
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     I remember in Windows XP, there was a command where you could Add a
file
     type and its extension to the list, but in Windows 7, that command is
     mysteriously gone! Is there a workable solution somewhere?

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
     Weitzel
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:41 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     No, if you change it via the properties it applies to all files of
     that file
     type.

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
     Brunot
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 4:37 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Greetings, Sieghart: Isn't that more for a specific file? My purpose
     here
     was to change the default program for the file type. Otherwise, I
     tend to go
     to "open with" and find the program, unless it's one of those that
     isn't in
     that default list.

     Cheers,



     Gudrun

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
     Weitzel
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 12:36 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hi Gudrun,

     Why not simply go to the file you want to change, e.g. the WAV file
     in your
     example, then press Alt+Enter to get into the properties. Now tab
     until you
     get to "Change" or press Alt+C. This takes you straight into the
list of
     available programs you can choose from or you can tab once to go to
     "Browse"
     to select a program that is not in the list. You don't have a step 6
     in your
     list, but this method takes you straight to what would be step 6 in
your
     list.

     Regards,
     Sieghard

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gudrun
     Brunot
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:21 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hi all: This is a tricky business, I think. I decided to try and
     crack the
     nut and here is my mini-tutorial on the subject: (there are probably
     other
     ways to skin this cat, but this is what I came up with)

     File types and program associations in Windows 7

     1. press the control-esc to search.

     2. in the search box, type file association.

     3. Arrow down to change the file type associated with a file extension,
     enter 4. If all works right, you'll have a list of Starting with
     ".386
     virtual device driver" and going all the way down to "webcals add
     internet
     calendar." I believe there is one list going from 1-z, then a
second one
     listing other extensions, so just know it's a long list.
     5. Find the file extension you want to change program for. Let's
say you
     want .wav files to open in SoundForge instead of Windows Media player.
     Backtab once from the .wav extension. JAWS will say "change program,
     button."
     . Hit the spacebar. You will hear "Control panel. set association.
     Choose
     the program you want to open this file with. .wav."
     7. Arrow down, and, hopefully, you should hear "Sony SoundForge, Sony."
     8. Tab twice until you hear okay.

     Note: if the program you want to use is not in the list of Windows
     default
     programs, tab to "browse," the field just before "okay."

     If, for example, you wanted to associate a sound file extension with
     Studio
     Recorder, navigate to the directory level, and you are likely to find
     "program files." (You may need to backtab to the c drive and right
     arrow to
     Program files, then down arrow to Program files X86. Find APH in that
     directory, and there you will find Studio Recorder and hit enter.
     The file
     sr.exe is the one you want to show in the file name field. Now, tab
     to okay.
     Gudrun

     -----Original Message-----
     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard
     Weitzel
     Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 11:11 AM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Which file type/extension is the file and what do you want to add it
     to? It
     may help to describe this in more detail if you give an example.

     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Annabelle
     Susan Morison
     Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 9:11 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7



     I found it, but it won't let me add to the list.



     ________________________________

     From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
     john.falter
     Sent: Friday, November 04, 2016 9:03 PM
     To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
     Subject: Re: Accessing File Types in Windows 7

     Hello annabelle:

     1. press the windows key going to search.

     2. type ext.

     3. arrow to change file extentions.

     4. tab to a long list of file extentions.

     Good luck.



     On 11/4/2016 10:46 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

     Hi, it's annabelle.

     I know in Windows XP, if you go to "Folder Options", there's a tab that
     lists all the available file types and their extensions, as well as
     programs
     associated with the file types and you can add to the list, however,
     I don't
     see that in Windows 7. Is it hidden somewhere where I can't find
it? I'm
     trying to add a file extension and it's description to the list, but
     there
     isn't an "Add" button anywhere on the screen. Maybe I'm missing
     something?





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Re: Stopping JAWS from reporting slide number when on a PowerPoint slideshow

Dave...
 

...have not done this in several years. When I did, it was back around JAWS
8 or 9. I used a USB audio dongle and was able to route JAWS to that
specific device.

I suggest you plug in a second sound output device, and then Insert+J to
open JAWS. Then arrow to Utilities, and open that menu. Then you should find
an item "sound card" which should allow you to direct JAWS to that device,
and leave other sounds to a default internal sound output.

That's the best I can suggest.

Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "abdulaziz dapilin" <abdulaziz.dapilin@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 23:14
Subject: Re: Stopping JAWS from reporting slide number when on a PowerPoint
slideshow


Thanks. But how doo you set up a separate audio output for JAWS? I was
thinking for this before but I have dropped the idea because I thought
it is not possible. Now that you have mentioned having done this, can
you walk me through how to set it up?

On 11/6/16, Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hello. It's been a few years since I used Powerpoint and made
presentations

for my job. I don't think I was able to stop the slide numbers from being
announced, but for the purpose of making presentations to an audience, I
used a separate audio output for JAWS. I used the JAWS output fed into a
set of headphones, so that only I could hear it. This was important to me,
since I wanted to hear the slide numbers, and any titles, so that I could
correctly describe the slide to the audience. A separate audio (usually
the

one built into the laptop) was fed into the presentation speakers. Then if
there was any audio (music, sound bites) associated with that slide, the
audience would hear it.

This worked very well.

Hope this idea makes sense.

Farfar Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "abdulaziz dapilin" <abdulaziz.dapilin@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2016 01:04
Subject: Stopping JAWS from reporting slide number when on a PowerPoint
slideshow


Hi, a pleasant day to all.
I am using PowerPoint2016 on a Windows10 machine running JAWS17 and I
am just curious... Is there a way to stop or restrict JAWS from saying
slide number while on a slideshow? If yes, can somebody tell me how?

Thanks