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moderated Re: License and years left

Karen Reynolds
 

Hi Bill,
Thanks. You are correct. I don't have that checked. Thanks.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 1:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi, Karen. It's not working the other way, because you don't have Run From System Tray checked in JAWS>Options>Basics. If you check that check box, then restart JAWS, it will work.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 10:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Jean and Bill,
Thank you for the web page. This helps.

For some reason the insert plus j isn't working. It just reads the version I'm running. I try up arrowing and it goes nowhere. It does take me to Jaws so I can use alt h and get to the help menu and arrow to it that way. I'm not sure why it's not working the other way.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Karen!

You have to either switch to the JAWS cursor or virtualize the about dialog to see the rest of it, I don't know why Freedom Scientific did this, but you cannot browse away from the serial number when using the PC cursor, that's why I sent you all those instructions.

Here are the URLs to the web pages you need.

https://fsactivate.freedomscientific.com/Activation/VerifyActivationKeys

This page asks for your serial number, when you submit it you will get a page with information about how many activations you have left. The item you are interesting is version, it will tell you the year you are licensed up to, in my case I am licensed to 2024.


On 7/8/2022 11:42 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
Hi Jean,
When I press insert j it only gives me the version number. I'm not able to up arrow at all.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Karen!

You should be able to go to the about JAWS dialog and it will tell you how many upgrades you have left.

1. insert+J to open the JAWS context menu 2. press up arrow two time to get to the about option 3. press enter 4. press insert+alt+W to virtualize the dialog, this makes it easy to browse what it says.
or you could switch to the JAWS cursor by pressing the numeric keypad - key.

hth

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 9:26 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
Hi,

I called and updated my SMA. I want to take a look at it. This
morning when I booted my computer a dialog box popped up and wanted
to renew my license. I did go through the steps and then woke up and
wondered if all is okay with my SMA. There used to be a page where
you could put in your number and see how many years you have left. I
found the one for keys, but not the one for years. Does anyone know that page?

Karen









Gene...


moderated Re: Translating a web page?

Gene Warner
 

Hi Bill!
That could be because you already had a settings file for those individual apps with those setting in it, that would override anything you put in the default settings. I believe that it worked for me because I didn't have any quick settings files for Edge.

Gene...

On 7/8/2022 2:23 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. The reason I gave you the instructions for the Edge settings file instead of the Default Settings File is that I have made changes in the Default configuration file, and had them not carry over to the individual apps such as Edge and Chrome. I'm glad it worked for you.
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?
Hi Bill!
Thank you! That worked! I chose to make the change to the default
settings instead of in the quick settings.
Gene...
On 7/8/2022 1:48 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. I will explain what is happening. The actual page is translating, but, once the page is translated to English, JAWS is reading the English page as if it were Italian. Here's what to do.

1. Once you start Edge, Press JAWS key plus V as in Victor, for Quick Settings.
2. In the search box, type the word, language.
3. Look for Language Detect, and make sure it is unchecked.
4. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.
5. Now, when you translate the page, JAWS will speak English, not English with an Italian accent.
6. If you want Chrome to behave the same way, you will need to follow the same procedure with Chrome open.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?

Hi Bill!

This is weird! I decided to try Google Translate on the web site and
still could not get it in English!

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 12:29 PM, Gene Warner via groups.io wrote:
Hi Bill!

I thought I put the URL in my first message, but here it is:

www.audiogame.store

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/8/2022 12:20 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. Please give me the website link, and I'll try to figure out
how to get Edge to translate it to English for you. If and when I
figure it out, I'll e-mail you the steps I used to get the translation.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 8:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?

Hi again Bill!

I just tried using insert+escape to see if refreshing JAWS would get me
the translated page, it didn't.

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 8:56 AM, Gene Warner via groups.io wrote:
Hi Bill!

I'm an idiot! Why didn't I think of that?

I say that because I have to do that when logging into NFB newsline
because after I fill in my log in credentials, JAWS thinks that I'm on a
blank page. But after I refresh JAWS with the insert+escape keys, the
web page is back and I can hit the submit button.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 9:47 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. The only thing I can think of that might help after you
press the button to translate, is to press JAWS key plus ESCAPE to
refresh the screen, so JAWS doesn't think you're still on the
previous, untranslated page.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:13 PM
To: JAWS support list
Subject: Translating a web page?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to get to this web site, when I get there it is in Italian.
Edge offers to translate it to English And I tell it to do the
translation, but when it finishes the site is still in Italian! Is the
translation not working or am I missing something that I have to do
with
JAWS before I can see the translated page?

Thanks!
Gene...



































moderated Re: Translating a web page?

Bill White
 

Hi, Gene. The reason I gave you the instructions for the Edge settings file instead of the Default Settings File is that I have made changes in the Default configuration file, and had them not carry over to the individual apps such as Edge and Chrome. I'm glad it worked for you.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?

Hi Bill!
Thank you! That worked! I chose to make the change to the default
settings instead of in the quick settings.

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 1:48 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. I will explain what is happening. The actual page is translating, but, once the page is translated to English, JAWS is reading the English page as if it were Italian. Here's what to do.

1. Once you start Edge, Press JAWS key plus V as in Victor, for Quick Settings.
2. In the search box, type the word, language.
3. Look for Language Detect, and make sure it is unchecked.
4. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.
5. Now, when you translate the page, JAWS will speak English, not English with an Italian accent.
6. If you want Chrome to behave the same way, you will need to follow the same procedure with Chrome open.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?

Hi Bill!

This is weird! I decided to try Google Translate on the web site and
still could not get it in English!

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 12:29 PM, Gene Warner via groups.io wrote:
Hi Bill!

I thought I put the URL in my first message, but here it is:

www.audiogame.store

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/8/2022 12:20 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. Please give me the website link, and I'll try to figure out
how to get Edge to translate it to English for you. If and when I
figure it out, I'll e-mail you the steps I used to get the translation.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 8:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?

Hi again Bill!

I just tried using insert+escape to see if refreshing JAWS would get me
the translated page, it didn't.

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 8:56 AM, Gene Warner via groups.io wrote:
Hi Bill!

I'm an idiot! Why didn't I think of that?

I say that because I have to do that when logging into NFB newsline
because after I fill in my log in credentials, JAWS thinks that I'm on a
blank page. But after I refresh JAWS with the insert+escape keys, the
web page is back and I can hit the submit button.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 9:47 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. The only thing I can think of that might help after you
press the button to translate, is to press JAWS key plus ESCAPE to
refresh the screen, so JAWS doesn't think you're still on the
previous, untranslated page.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:13 PM
To: JAWS support list
Subject: Translating a web page?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to get to this web site, when I get there it is in Italian.
Edge offers to translate it to English And I tell it to do the
translation, but when it finishes the site is still in Italian! Is the
translation not working or am I missing something that I have to do
with
JAWS before I can see the translated page?

Thanks!
Gene...



































moderated Re: Translating a web page?

Gene Warner
 

Hi Bill!
Thank you! That worked! I chose to make the change to the default settings instead of in the quick settings.

Gene...

On 7/8/2022 1:48 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. I will explain what is happening. The actual page is translating, but, once the page is translated to English, JAWS is reading the English page as if it were Italian. Here's what to do.
1. Once you start Edge, Press JAWS key plus V as in Victor, for Quick Settings.
2. In the search box, type the word, language.
3. Look for Language Detect, and make sure it is unchecked.
4. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.
5. Now, when you translate the page, JAWS will speak English, not English with an Italian accent.
6. If you want Chrome to behave the same way, you will need to follow the same procedure with Chrome open.
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?
Hi Bill!
This is weird! I decided to try Google Translate on the web site and
still could not get it in English!
Gene...
On 7/8/2022 12:29 PM, Gene Warner via groups.io wrote:
Hi Bill!

I thought I put the URL in my first message, but here it is:

www.audiogame.store

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/8/2022 12:20 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. Please give me the website link, and I'll try to figure out
how to get Edge to translate it to English for you. If and when I
figure it out, I'll e-mail you the steps I used to get the translation.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 8:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?

Hi again Bill!

I just tried using insert+escape to see if refreshing JAWS would get me
the translated page, it didn't.

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 8:56 AM, Gene Warner via groups.io wrote:
Hi Bill!

I'm an idiot! Why didn't I think of that?

I say that because I have to do that when logging into NFB newsline
because after I fill in my log in credentials, JAWS thinks that I'm on a
blank page. But after I refresh JAWS with the insert+escape keys, the
web page is back and I can hit the submit button.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 9:47 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. The only thing I can think of that might help after you
press the button to translate, is to press JAWS key plus ESCAPE to
refresh the screen, so JAWS doesn't think you're still on the
previous, untranslated page.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:13 PM
To: JAWS support list
Subject: Translating a web page?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to get to this web site, when I get there it is in Italian.
Edge offers to translate it to English And I tell it to do the
translation, but when it finishes the site is still in Italian! Is the
translation not working or am I missing something that I have to do
with
JAWS before I can see the translated page?

Thanks!
Gene...


























moderated Re: Translating a web page?

Gene Warner
 

Hi Bill!

OK, my mistake then, my apologies.

Gene...

On 7/8/2022 1:34 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. Here is your first message. It didn't have the URL, but I'll see if I can figure this out. Here is your original message below.
Hi everyone!
I am trying to get to this web site, when I get there it is in Italian.
Edge offers to translate it to English And I tell it to do the
translation, but when it finishes the site is still in Italian! Is the
translation not working or am I missing something that I have to do with
JAWS before I can see the translated page?
Thanks!
Gene...
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?
Hi Bill!
I thought I put the URL in my first message, but here it is:
www.audiogame.store
Thanks!
Gene...
On 7/8/2022 12:20 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. Please give me the website link, and I'll try to figure out how to get Edge to translate it to English for you. If and when I figure it out, I'll e-mail you the steps I used to get the translation.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 8:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?

Hi again Bill!

I just tried using insert+escape to see if refreshing JAWS would get me
the translated page, it didn't.

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 8:56 AM, Gene Warner via groups.io wrote:
Hi Bill!

I'm an idiot! Why didn't I think of that?

I say that because I have to do that when logging into NFB newsline
because after I fill in my log in credentials, JAWS thinks that I'm on a
blank page. But after I refresh JAWS with the insert+escape keys, the
web page is back and I can hit the submit button.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 9:47 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. The only thing I can think of that might help after you
press the button to translate, is to press JAWS key plus ESCAPE to
refresh the screen, so JAWS doesn't think you're still on the
previous, untranslated page.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:13 PM
To: JAWS support list
Subject: Translating a web page?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to get to this web site, when I get there it is in Italian.
Edge offers to translate it to English And I tell it to do the
translation, but when it finishes the site is still in Italian! Is the
translation not working or am I missing something that I have to do with
JAWS before I can see the translated page?

Thanks!
Gene...























moderated Re: : Re: License and years left

Mike B.
 


Hi Karen,
 
If you don't run Jaws from the system tray this is normal, but if you do run Jaws from the system tray it is not. 
 
If you have Jaws set to run from the system tray try unloading Jaws and reloading, now see if you can access the menues by arrowing after pressing, Insert + J.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: : Re: License and years left

I must have something set up differently. I can press insert plus j and it brings up the jaws window and reads the current version, like it would as a heading. It won’t let me get to the menus this way unless I press alt h. Is there a setting I need to change in Jaws?

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 1:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: : Re: License and years left

 

Hi Karen,

 

Press, Insert + J, up arrow to, Help submenu, press enter, up arrow to, About, press enter and this is where you'll find the info you're looking for.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: : Re: License and years left

 

Yes, for some reason all it tells me is the version and my number.
Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: : Re: License and years left

Did you press insert+alt+W?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: License and years left

Hi Jean,
When I press insert j it only gives me the version number. I'm not able to up arrow at all.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Karen!

You should be able to go to the about JAWS dialog and it will tell you how many upgrades you have left.

1. insert+J to open the JAWS context menu 2. press up arrow two time to get to the about option 3. press enter 4. press insert+alt+W to virtualize the dialog, this makes it easy to browse what it says.
or you could switch to the JAWS cursor by pressing the numeric keypad - key.

hth

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 9:26 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I called and updated my SMA. I want to take a look at it. This morning
> when I booted my computer a dialog box popped up and wanted to renew
> my license. I did go through the steps and then woke up and wondered
> if all is okay with my SMA. There used to be a page where you could
> put in your number and see how many years you have left. I found the
> one for keys, but not the one for years. Does anyone know that page?
>
> Karen
>
>




















moderated Re: change my keyboard to laptop

K0LNY
 

It could be that the BIOS has assigned it to do something else.
The BIOS requires sight to access, prior to booting Windows.
Microsoft help will help with the BIOS, either through the Be My Eyes app, or from their toll-free help line, but I don't have that number handy.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

Okay, I just tried adding it but it didn’t change the action of the key; do you think there’s just something wrong with my laptop period?  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

correct.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:37 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Oh so I have to press the key combination not type the words?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

You should be able to do all three keys of the keystroke, so do the three keys at once, like you are doing that action.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:29 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Okay, I just tried to add a keystroke but it won’t let me type more then one letter is this normal?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

No, it won't matter.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:07 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Should I change it to desktop layout first or does the layout matter?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Hi Madison,

If you focus on the desktop and press Jaws to focus on the Jaws icon and enter, it will put you in the Jaws screen.

Or your Jaws hotkey should do this too.

You should hear it say options.

Down arrow once to utilities, and right  arrow into utilities, and down arrow to keyboard manager and enter.

There's probably another hotkey for keyboard manager, but I don't use it often enough to know it.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Is there any other way of getting to the keyboard manager? My keyboard layout is set to laptop so my caps lock is my insert key but when I press that along with the 8 on the number row Jaws says “left mouse button,”

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: July 7, 2022 11:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Yes, that’s what it was

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Keyboard manager is insert 8 on the number row, but I just went into it, and insert is there, but when I try to add a keystroke, my insert isn't seen as a keystroke.

You would find insert by pressing I and down arrowing to insert and tap the applications key, and add keystroke.

Maybe you can add the keystroke you said that key is doing, what was it?

alt windows + Q?

And maybe then that insert key will do the insert action.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 9:18 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

How do I do this?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 9:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Madison,

If it has always done this, or if it isn't stuck keys as Bill suggested, you might try using Jaws keyboard manager to assign it, to work as the insert key.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 9:03 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

no

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Can you use it as an insert key?

Like, can you use that key with F12 and get the time?

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 8:53 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

It says it all the time, the key is labelled as the insert key, when I press it and it says what I mentioned nothing happen. s

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

It shouldn't do this all the time, but sometimes, the ALT, CONTROL, and Windows keys can get stuck, so that you must press both alt keys, both control keys, and the windows key to get them unstuck.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

When I press my insert key (the actual one) Jaws says alt windows q, is this normal for an insert key on a laptop or is there something wrong with mine? 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Hi Loy,

It is, because laptop mode, aside from all the other benefits, allows you to use the right hand home keys and surrounding keys, to act as the number pad when the caps lock is down.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 8:16 PM

Subject: change my keyboard to laptop

 

I changed my keyboard layout to laptop. Caps lock J will not open the JAWS menu, but other wise works as the insert key does. Is this normal? JAWS runs from sys tray.


moderated Re: Translating a web page?

Bill White
 

Hi, Gene. I will explain what is happening. The actual page is translating, but, once the page is translated to English, JAWS is reading the English page as if it were Italian. Here's what to do.

1. Once you start Edge, Press JAWS key plus V as in Victor, for Quick Settings.
2. In the search box, type the word, language.
3. Look for Language Detect, and make sure it is unchecked.
4. TAB to OK, and press ENTER.
5. Now, when you translate the page, JAWS will speak English, not English with an Italian accent.
6. If you want Chrome to behave the same way, you will need to follow the same procedure with Chrome open.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?

Hi Bill!

This is weird! I decided to try Google Translate on the web site and
still could not get it in English!

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 12:29 PM, Gene Warner via groups.io wrote:
Hi Bill!

I thought I put the URL in my first message, but here it is:

www.audiogame.store

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/8/2022 12:20 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. Please give me the website link, and I'll try to figure out
how to get Edge to translate it to English for you. If and when I
figure it out, I'll e-mail you the steps I used to get the translation.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 8:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?

Hi again Bill!

I just tried using insert+escape to see if refreshing JAWS would get me
the translated page, it didn't.

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 8:56 AM, Gene Warner via groups.io wrote:
Hi Bill!

I'm an idiot! Why didn't I think of that?

I say that because I have to do that when logging into NFB newsline
because after I fill in my log in credentials, JAWS thinks that I'm on a
blank page. But after I refresh JAWS with the insert+escape keys, the
web page is back and I can hit the submit button.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 9:47 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. The only thing I can think of that might help after you
press the button to translate, is to press JAWS key plus ESCAPE to
refresh the screen, so JAWS doesn't think you're still on the
previous, untranslated page.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:13 PM
To: JAWS support list
Subject: Translating a web page?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to get to this web site, when I get there it is in Italian.
Edge offers to translate it to English And I tell it to do the
translation, but when it finishes the site is still in Italian! Is the
translation not working or am I missing something that I have to do
with
JAWS before I can see the translated page?

Thanks!
Gene...


























moderated Re: change my keyboard to laptop

Madison Martin
 

Okay, I just tried adding it but it didn’t change the action of the key; do you think there’s just something wrong with my laptop period?  

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

correct.

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:37 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Oh so I have to press the key combination not type the words?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

You should be able to do all three keys of the keystroke, so do the three keys at once, like you are doing that action.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:29 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Okay, I just tried to add a keystroke but it won’t let me type more then one letter is this normal?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

No, it won't matter.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:07 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Should I change it to desktop layout first or does the layout matter?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Hi Madison,

If you focus on the desktop and press Jaws to focus on the Jaws icon and enter, it will put you in the Jaws screen.

Or your Jaws hotkey should do this too.

You should hear it say options.

Down arrow once to utilities, and right  arrow into utilities, and down arrow to keyboard manager and enter.

There's probably another hotkey for keyboard manager, but I don't use it often enough to know it.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Is there any other way of getting to the keyboard manager? My keyboard layout is set to laptop so my caps lock is my insert key but when I press that along with the 8 on the number row Jaws says “left mouse button,”

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: July 7, 2022 11:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Yes, that’s what it was

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Keyboard manager is insert 8 on the number row, but I just went into it, and insert is there, but when I try to add a keystroke, my insert isn't seen as a keystroke.

You would find insert by pressing I and down arrowing to insert and tap the applications key, and add keystroke.

Maybe you can add the keystroke you said that key is doing, what was it?

alt windows + Q?

And maybe then that insert key will do the insert action.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 9:18 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

How do I do this?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 9:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Madison,

If it has always done this, or if it isn't stuck keys as Bill suggested, you might try using Jaws keyboard manager to assign it, to work as the insert key.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 9:03 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

no

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Can you use it as an insert key?

Like, can you use that key with F12 and get the time?

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 8:53 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

It says it all the time, the key is labelled as the insert key, when I press it and it says what I mentioned nothing happen. s

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

It shouldn't do this all the time, but sometimes, the ALT, CONTROL, and Windows keys can get stuck, so that you must press both alt keys, both control keys, and the windows key to get them unstuck.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

When I press my insert key (the actual one) Jaws says alt windows q, is this normal for an insert key on a laptop or is there something wrong with mine? 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Hi Loy,

It is, because laptop mode, aside from all the other benefits, allows you to use the right hand home keys and surrounding keys, to act as the number pad when the caps lock is down.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 8:16 PM

Subject: change my keyboard to laptop

 

I changed my keyboard layout to laptop. Caps lock J will not open the JAWS menu, but other wise works as the insert key does. Is this normal? JAWS runs from sys tray.


moderated Re: License and years left

Bill White
 

Hi, Karen. It's not working the other way, because you don't have Run From System Tray checked in JAWS>Options>Basics. If you check that check box, then restart JAWS, it will work.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 10:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Jean and Bill,
Thank you for the web page. This helps.

For some reason the insert plus j isn't working. It just reads the version I'm running. I try up arrowing and it goes nowhere. It does take me to Jaws so I can use alt h and get to the help menu and arrow to it that way. I'm not sure why it's not working the other way.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Karen!

You have to either switch to the JAWS cursor or virtualize the about dialog to see the rest of it, I don't know why Freedom Scientific did this, but you cannot browse away from the serial number when using the PC cursor, that's why I sent you all those instructions.

Here are the URLs to the web pages you need.

https://fsactivate.freedomscientific.com/Activation/VerifyActivationKeys

This page asks for your serial number, when you submit it you will get a page with information about how many activations you have left. The item you are interesting is version, it will tell you the year you are licensed up to, in my case I am licensed to 2024.


On 7/8/2022 11:42 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
Hi Jean,
When I press insert j it only gives me the version number. I'm not able to up arrow at all.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Karen!

You should be able to go to the about JAWS dialog and it will tell you how many upgrades you have left.

1. insert+J to open the JAWS context menu 2. press up arrow two time to get to the about option 3. press enter 4. press insert+alt+W to virtualize the dialog, this makes it easy to browse what it says.
or you could switch to the JAWS cursor by pressing the numeric keypad - key.

hth

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 9:26 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
Hi,

I called and updated my SMA. I want to take a look at it. This
morning when I booted my computer a dialog box popped up and wanted
to renew my license. I did go through the steps and then woke up and
wondered if all is okay with my SMA. There used to be a page where
you could put in your number and see how many years you have left. I
found the one for keys, but not the one for years. Does anyone know that page?

Karen









Gene...


moderated Re: License and years left

Karen Reynolds
 

Hi Glen,
Yes, I did.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 1:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Karen,
Just wondering if you routed Jaws to PC before trying the Jaws cursor.
The PC cursor is where the computer currently has focus.
When you route Jaws to PC, you can read the computer with the mouse pointer and it can read places where the PC cursor cannot.
If you don't route Jaws to PC first, your mouse pointer may be behind the window that your computer is focused on at the time.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Reynolds" <karenreynolds2061@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: License and years left


Hi Jean and Bill,
Thank you for the web page. This helps.

For some reason the insert plus j isn't working. It just reads the version I'm running. I try up arrowing and it goes nowhere. It does take me to Jaws so I can use alt h and get to the help menu and arrow to it that way. I'm not sure why it's not working the other way.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Karen!

You have to either switch to the JAWS cursor or virtualize the about dialog to see the rest of it, I don't know why Freedom Scientific did this, but you cannot browse away from the serial number when using the PC cursor, that's why I sent you all those instructions.

Here are the URLs to the web pages you need.

https://fsactivate.freedomscientific.com/Activation/VerifyActivationKeys

This page asks for your serial number, when you submit it you will get a page with information about how many activations you have left. The item you are interesting is version, it will tell you the year you are licensed up to, in my case I am licensed to 2024.


On 7/8/2022 11:42 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
Hi Jean,
When I press insert j it only gives me the version number. I'm not
able to up arrow at all.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Karen!

You should be able to go to the about JAWS dialog and it will tell you
how many upgrades you have left.

1. insert+J to open the JAWS context menu 2. press up arrow two time
to get to the about option 3. press enter 4. press insert+alt+W to
virtualize the dialog, this makes it easy to browse what it says.
or you could switch to the JAWS cursor by pressing the numeric keypad
- key.

hth

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 9:26 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
Hi,

I called and updated my SMA. I want to take a look at it. This
morning when I booted my computer a dialog box popped up and wanted
to renew my license. I did go through the steps and then woke up and
wondered if all is okay with my SMA. There used to be a page where
you could put in your number and see how many years you have left. I
found the one for keys, but not the one for years. Does anyone know
that page?

Karen









Gene...


moderated Re: change my keyboard to laptop

K0LNY
 

correct.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

Oh so I have to press the key combination not type the words?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

You should be able to do all three keys of the keystroke, so do the three keys at once, like you are doing that action.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:29 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Okay, I just tried to add a keystroke but it won’t let me type more then one letter is this normal?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

No, it won't matter.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:07 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Should I change it to desktop layout first or does the layout matter?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Hi Madison,

If you focus on the desktop and press Jaws to focus on the Jaws icon and enter, it will put you in the Jaws screen.

Or your Jaws hotkey should do this too.

You should hear it say options.

Down arrow once to utilities, and right  arrow into utilities, and down arrow to keyboard manager and enter.

There's probably another hotkey for keyboard manager, but I don't use it often enough to know it.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Is there any other way of getting to the keyboard manager? My keyboard layout is set to laptop so my caps lock is my insert key but when I press that along with the 8 on the number row Jaws says “left mouse button,”

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: July 7, 2022 11:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Yes, that’s what it was

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Keyboard manager is insert 8 on the number row, but I just went into it, and insert is there, but when I try to add a keystroke, my insert isn't seen as a keystroke.

You would find insert by pressing I and down arrowing to insert and tap the applications key, and add keystroke.

Maybe you can add the keystroke you said that key is doing, what was it?

alt windows + Q?

And maybe then that insert key will do the insert action.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 9:18 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

How do I do this?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 9:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Madison,

If it has always done this, or if it isn't stuck keys as Bill suggested, you might try using Jaws keyboard manager to assign it, to work as the insert key.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 9:03 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

no

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Can you use it as an insert key?

Like, can you use that key with F12 and get the time?

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 8:53 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

It says it all the time, the key is labelled as the insert key, when I press it and it says what I mentioned nothing happen. s

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

It shouldn't do this all the time, but sometimes, the ALT, CONTROL, and Windows keys can get stuck, so that you must press both alt keys, both control keys, and the windows key to get them unstuck.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

When I press my insert key (the actual one) Jaws says alt windows q, is this normal for an insert key on a laptop or is there something wrong with mine? 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Hi Loy,

It is, because laptop mode, aside from all the other benefits, allows you to use the right hand home keys and surrounding keys, to act as the number pad when the caps lock is down.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 8:16 PM

Subject: change my keyboard to laptop

 

I changed my keyboard layout to laptop. Caps lock J will not open the JAWS menu, but other wise works as the insert key does. Is this normal? JAWS runs from sys tray.


moderated Re: change my keyboard to laptop

Madison Martin
 

Oh so I have to press the key combination not type the words?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

You should be able to do all three keys of the keystroke, so do the three keys at once, like you are doing that action.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:29 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Okay, I just tried to add a keystroke but it won’t let me type more then one letter is this normal?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

No, it won't matter.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:07 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Should I change it to desktop layout first or does the layout matter?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Hi Madison,

If you focus on the desktop and press Jaws to focus on the Jaws icon and enter, it will put you in the Jaws screen.

Or your Jaws hotkey should do this too.

You should hear it say options.

Down arrow once to utilities, and right  arrow into utilities, and down arrow to keyboard manager and enter.

There's probably another hotkey for keyboard manager, but I don't use it often enough to know it.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Is there any other way of getting to the keyboard manager? My keyboard layout is set to laptop so my caps lock is my insert key but when I press that along with the 8 on the number row Jaws says “left mouse button,”

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: July 7, 2022 11:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Yes, that’s what it was

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Keyboard manager is insert 8 on the number row, but I just went into it, and insert is there, but when I try to add a keystroke, my insert isn't seen as a keystroke.

You would find insert by pressing I and down arrowing to insert and tap the applications key, and add keystroke.

Maybe you can add the keystroke you said that key is doing, what was it?

alt windows + Q?

And maybe then that insert key will do the insert action.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 9:18 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

How do I do this?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 9:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Madison,

If it has always done this, or if it isn't stuck keys as Bill suggested, you might try using Jaws keyboard manager to assign it, to work as the insert key.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 9:03 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

no

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Can you use it as an insert key?

Like, can you use that key with F12 and get the time?

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 8:53 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

It says it all the time, the key is labelled as the insert key, when I press it and it says what I mentioned nothing happen. s

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

It shouldn't do this all the time, but sometimes, the ALT, CONTROL, and Windows keys can get stuck, so that you must press both alt keys, both control keys, and the windows key to get them unstuck.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

When I press my insert key (the actual one) Jaws says alt windows q, is this normal for an insert key on a laptop or is there something wrong with mine? 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Hi Loy,

It is, because laptop mode, aside from all the other benefits, allows you to use the right hand home keys and surrounding keys, to act as the number pad when the caps lock is down.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 8:16 PM

Subject: change my keyboard to laptop

 

I changed my keyboard layout to laptop. Caps lock J will not open the JAWS menu, but other wise works as the insert key does. Is this normal? JAWS runs from sys tray.


moderated Re: change my keyboard to laptop

K0LNY
 

You should be able to do all three keys of the keystroke, so do the three keys at once, like you are doing that action.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

Okay, I just tried to add a keystroke but it won’t let me type more then one letter is this normal?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

No, it won't matter.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:07 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Should I change it to desktop layout first or does the layout matter?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Hi Madison,

If you focus on the desktop and press Jaws to focus on the Jaws icon and enter, it will put you in the Jaws screen.

Or your Jaws hotkey should do this too.

You should hear it say options.

Down arrow once to utilities, and right  arrow into utilities, and down arrow to keyboard manager and enter.

There's probably another hotkey for keyboard manager, but I don't use it often enough to know it.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Is there any other way of getting to the keyboard manager? My keyboard layout is set to laptop so my caps lock is my insert key but when I press that along with the 8 on the number row Jaws says “left mouse button,”

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: July 7, 2022 11:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Yes, that’s what it was

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Keyboard manager is insert 8 on the number row, but I just went into it, and insert is there, but when I try to add a keystroke, my insert isn't seen as a keystroke.

You would find insert by pressing I and down arrowing to insert and tap the applications key, and add keystroke.

Maybe you can add the keystroke you said that key is doing, what was it?

alt windows + Q?

And maybe then that insert key will do the insert action.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 9:18 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

How do I do this?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 9:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Madison,

If it has always done this, or if it isn't stuck keys as Bill suggested, you might try using Jaws keyboard manager to assign it, to work as the insert key.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 9:03 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

no

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Can you use it as an insert key?

Like, can you use that key with F12 and get the time?

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 8:53 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

It says it all the time, the key is labelled as the insert key, when I press it and it says what I mentioned nothing happen. s

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

It shouldn't do this all the time, but sometimes, the ALT, CONTROL, and Windows keys can get stuck, so that you must press both alt keys, both control keys, and the windows key to get them unstuck.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

When I press my insert key (the actual one) Jaws says alt windows q, is this normal for an insert key on a laptop or is there something wrong with mine? 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Hi Loy,

It is, because laptop mode, aside from all the other benefits, allows you to use the right hand home keys and surrounding keys, to act as the number pad when the caps lock is down.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 8:16 PM

Subject: change my keyboard to laptop

 

I changed my keyboard layout to laptop. Caps lock J will not open the JAWS menu, but other wise works as the insert key does. Is this normal? JAWS runs from sys tray.


moderated Re: Translating a web page?

Bill White
 

Hi, Gene. Here is your first message. It didn't have the URL, but I'll see if I can figure this out. Here is your original message below.

Hi everyone!

I am trying to get to this web site, when I get there it is in Italian.
Edge offers to translate it to English And I tell it to do the
translation, but when it finishes the site is still in Italian! Is the
translation not working or am I missing something that I have to do with
JAWS before I can see the translated page?

Thanks!
Gene...



Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?

Hi Bill!

I thought I put the URL in my first message, but here it is:

www.audiogame.store

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/8/2022 12:20 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. Please give me the website link, and I'll try to figure out how to get Edge to translate it to English for you. If and when I figure it out, I'll e-mail you the steps I used to get the translation.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 8:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Translating a web page?

Hi again Bill!

I just tried using insert+escape to see if refreshing JAWS would get me
the translated page, it didn't.

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 8:56 AM, Gene Warner via groups.io wrote:
Hi Bill!

I'm an idiot! Why didn't I think of that?

I say that because I have to do that when logging into NFB newsline
because after I fill in my log in credentials, JAWS thinks that I'm on a
blank page. But after I refresh JAWS with the insert+escape keys, the
web page is back and I can hit the submit button.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 9:47 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. The only thing I can think of that might help after you
press the button to translate, is to press JAWS key plus ESCAPE to
refresh the screen, so JAWS doesn't think you're still on the
previous, untranslated page.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:13 PM
To: JAWS support list
Subject: Translating a web page?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to get to this web site, when I get there it is in Italian.
Edge offers to translate it to English And I tell it to do the
translation, but when it finishes the site is still in Italian! Is the
translation not working or am I missing something that I have to do with
JAWS before I can see the translated page?

Thanks!
Gene...























moderated Re: Form fields not reading correctly.

Mike B.
 

Hi Kevin,
 
I just installed Firefox and it reads the same here for me as it does for yourself at the beginning of a line in a forms field, but I think that's because there's no blank or space at the beginning of the line and when you navigate to the left it's running into a wall so to speak.  Put a space at the beginning and Jaws will navigate normally.  I've ran into this in other instances, but can't name any off the top of my head at the moment.
 
As far as the end of the line, everything works normally here, no ghosted letters.  One thing to try is to make sure your screen is maximized, Windows key + up arrow, will do the trick.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!

----- Original Message -----
From: nocm@...
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: Form fields not reading correctly.

Hello bill,

My Windows and firefox versions are the same as is my Jaws, but the only
difference is I run forms mode set to manual.

Kevin


Kevin


On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 22:10:09 -0700 "Bill White" <billwhite92701@...>
writes:
> Hi, Kevin. I am not having this problem with Firefox in form fields.
> I am
> running the following versions and builds,
>
> Microsoft Windows
> Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.1806)
>
> Firefox Version 102.0
>
> JAWS Job Access With Speech
> Home Use Edition
> Version 2022.2206.9
>
> Bill White
>
> billwhite92701@...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> nocm@...
> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 10:56 AM
> To: main@jfw.groups.io
> Subject: Form fields not reading correctly.
>
> I'm having problems in firefox and form fields with information not
> reading correctly with jaws. When arrowing right over the first
> character
> that I entered into the form field the character does not read
> correctly.
> If I arrow left over the character it will read correctly. The form
> field
> also places a ghosted character at the end that echo's the first
> character in the field even though the character is not at the end
> of the
> field.

> Any Ideas on how to fix?

> Kevin


>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





moderated Re: License and years left

K0LNY
 

Karen,
Just wondering if you routed Jaws to PC before trying the Jaws cursor.
The PC cursor is where the computer currently has focus.
When you route Jaws to PC, you can read the computer with the mouse pointer
and it can read places where the PC cursor cannot.
If you don't route Jaws to PC first, your mouse pointer may be behind the
window that your computer is focused on at the time.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Reynolds" <karenreynolds2061@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: License and years left


Hi Jean and Bill,
Thank you for the web page. This helps.

For some reason the insert plus j isn't working. It just reads the version
I'm running. I try up arrowing and it goes nowhere. It does take me to Jaws
so I can use alt h and get to the help menu and arrow to it that way. I'm
not sure why it's not working the other way.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Karen!

You have to either switch to the JAWS cursor or virtualize the about dialog
to see the rest of it, I don't know why Freedom Scientific did this, but you
cannot browse away from the serial number when using the PC cursor, that's
why I sent you all those instructions.

Here are the URLs to the web pages you need.

https://fsactivate.freedomscientific.com/Activation/VerifyActivationKeys

This page asks for your serial number, when you submit it you will get a
page with information about how many activations you have left. The item you
are interesting is version, it will tell you the year you are licensed up
to, in my case I am licensed to 2024.


On 7/8/2022 11:42 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
Hi Jean,
When I press insert j it only gives me the version number. I'm not able to
up arrow at all.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Karen!

You should be able to go to the about JAWS dialog and it will tell you how
many upgrades you have left.

1. insert+J to open the JAWS context menu 2. press up arrow two time to
get to the about option 3. press enter 4. press insert+alt+W to virtualize
the dialog, this makes it easy to browse what it says.
or you could switch to the JAWS cursor by pressing the numeric keypad -
key.

hth

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 9:26 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
Hi,

I called and updated my SMA. I want to take a look at it. This
morning when I booted my computer a dialog box popped up and wanted
to renew my license. I did go through the steps and then woke up and
wondered if all is okay with my SMA. There used to be a page where
you could put in your number and see how many years you have left. I
found the one for keys, but not the one for years. Does anyone know that
page?

Karen









Gene...


moderated Re: : Re: License and years left

Karen Reynolds
 

I must have something set up differently. I can press insert plus j and it brings up the jaws window and reads the current version, like it would as a heading. It won’t let me get to the menus this way unless I press alt h. Is there a setting I need to change in Jaws?

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 1:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: : Re: License and years left

 

Hi Karen,

 

Press, Insert + J, up arrow to, Help submenu, press enter, up arrow to, About, press enter and this is where you'll find the info you're looking for.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 8:51 AM

Subject: Re: : Re: License and years left

 

Yes, for some reason all it tells me is the version and my number.
Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:45 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: : Re: License and years left

Did you press insert+alt+W?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: License and years left

Hi Jean,
When I press insert j it only gives me the version number. I'm not able to up arrow at all.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Karen!

You should be able to go to the about JAWS dialog and it will tell you how many upgrades you have left.

1. insert+J to open the JAWS context menu 2. press up arrow two time to get to the about option 3. press enter 4. press insert+alt+W to virtualize the dialog, this makes it easy to browse what it says.
or you could switch to the JAWS cursor by pressing the numeric keypad - key.

hth

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 9:26 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I called and updated my SMA. I want to take a look at it. This morning
> when I booted my computer a dialog box popped up and wanted to renew
> my license. I did go through the steps and then woke up and wondered
> if all is okay with my SMA. There used to be a page where you could
> put in your number and see how many years you have left. I found the
> one for keys, but not the one for years. Does anyone know that page?
>
> Karen
>
>




















moderated Re: change my keyboard to laptop

Madison Martin
 

Okay, I just tried to add a keystroke but it won’t let me type more then one letter is this normal?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

No, it won't matter.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 12:07 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Should I change it to desktop layout first or does the layout matter?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 8, 2022 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Hi Madison,

If you focus on the desktop and press Jaws to focus on the Jaws icon and enter, it will put you in the Jaws screen.

Or your Jaws hotkey should do this too.

You should hear it say options.

Down arrow once to utilities, and right  arrow into utilities, and down arrow to keyboard manager and enter.

There's probably another hotkey for keyboard manager, but I don't use it often enough to know it.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2022 10:39 AM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Is there any other way of getting to the keyboard manager? My keyboard layout is set to laptop so my caps lock is my insert key but when I press that along with the 8 on the number row Jaws says “left mouse button,”

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: July 7, 2022 11:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Yes, that’s what it was

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Keyboard manager is insert 8 on the number row, but I just went into it, and insert is there, but when I try to add a keystroke, my insert isn't seen as a keystroke.

You would find insert by pressing I and down arrowing to insert and tap the applications key, and add keystroke.

Maybe you can add the keystroke you said that key is doing, what was it?

alt windows + Q?

And maybe then that insert key will do the insert action.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 9:18 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

How do I do this?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 9:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Madison,

If it has always done this, or if it isn't stuck keys as Bill suggested, you might try using Jaws keyboard manager to assign it, to work as the insert key.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 9:03 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

no

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Can you use it as an insert key?

Like, can you use that key with F12 and get the time?

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 8:53 PM

Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

It says it all the time, the key is labelled as the insert key, when I press it and it says what I mentioned nothing happen. s

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

It shouldn't do this all the time, but sometimes, the ALT, CONTROL, and Windows keys can get stuck, so that you must press both alt keys, both control keys, and the windows key to get them unstuck.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 6:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

When I press my insert key (the actual one) Jaws says alt windows q, is this normal for an insert key on a laptop or is there something wrong with mine? 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: July 7, 2022 8:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: change my keyboard to laptop

 

Hi Loy,

It is, because laptop mode, aside from all the other benefits, allows you to use the right hand home keys and surrounding keys, to act as the number pad when the caps lock is down.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Loy

Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 8:16 PM

Subject: change my keyboard to laptop

 

I changed my keyboard layout to laptop. Caps lock J will not open the JAWS menu, but other wise works as the insert key does. Is this normal? JAWS runs from sys tray.


moderated Re: License and years left

Karen Reynolds
 

Hi Jean and Bill,
Thank you for the web page. This helps.

For some reason the insert plus j isn't working. It just reads the version I'm running. I try up arrowing and it goes nowhere. It does take me to Jaws so I can use alt h and get to the help menu and arrow to it that way. I'm not sure why it's not working the other way.

Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 11:57 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Karen!

You have to either switch to the JAWS cursor or virtualize the about dialog to see the rest of it, I don't know why Freedom Scientific did this, but you cannot browse away from the serial number when using the PC cursor, that's why I sent you all those instructions.

Here are the URLs to the web pages you need.

https://fsactivate.freedomscientific.com/Activation/VerifyActivationKeys

This page asks for your serial number, when you submit it you will get a page with information about how many activations you have left. The item you are interesting is version, it will tell you the year you are licensed up to, in my case I am licensed to 2024.


On 7/8/2022 11:42 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
Hi Jean,
When I press insert j it only gives me the version number. I'm not able to up arrow at all.

Karen


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 9:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: License and years left

Hi Karen!

You should be able to go to the about JAWS dialog and it will tell you how many upgrades you have left.

1. insert+J to open the JAWS context menu 2. press up arrow two time to get to the about option 3. press enter 4. press insert+alt+W to virtualize the dialog, this makes it easy to browse what it says.
or you could switch to the JAWS cursor by pressing the numeric keypad - key.

hth

Gene...


On 7/8/2022 9:26 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
Hi,

I called and updated my SMA. I want to take a look at it. This
morning when I booted my computer a dialog box popped up and wanted
to renew my license. I did go through the steps and then woke up and
wondered if all is okay with my SMA. There used to be a page where
you could put in your number and see how many years you have left. I
found the one for keys, but not the one for years. Does anyone know that page?

Karen









Gene...