On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 06:27 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
The short version is that Alt+F4 is the Windows global close command.
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I'm going to split a hair here, but only because I have all too often seen how important it is:  ALT + F4 is the Windows global exit command. In most instances it will close the window/program, that is, exit, whatever it is that has focus.
I've watched the horror that occurs when someone accidentally exits something, when what they meant to do was close a tab, for instance.  In all web browsers that I know of right now, if you use tabbed browsing it's very good to get into the habit of using CTRL + W to close your tabs.
I love ALT + F4, and teach it, but it's important to know that it generally exits programs and, for those that don't give you, "Are you sure?," type dialogs, it can catch you out.
This page that focuses on CTRL + W makes the distinction, and does it well: https://keyboardshortcuts.org/windows-keyboard-shortcuts/close <https://keyboardshortcuts.org/windows-keyboard-shortcuts/close>
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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
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Howdy:
Know that this isn't a "master psychic" list but does anyone know what a sma upgrade to Jaws23 will cost.  Understand that this new(2023) release probably won't be issued until sometime this late  fall, but curious as to the expected price.
Thank you,
David S. Pearson

This deserves some clarification. Yes, alt-F4 can close down a website. More specifically, it closes individual windows. Sometimes the effect is to close a program or app, such as a browser. Sometimes it just closes a document, as is the case with MS Word, although if only one Word document is open, it will also close Word.

What Gene is referring to here is the effect pressing alt-F4 has when focus is on the desktop. In this case, it presents the user with the option to shut down the computer.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of meow meow
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

I thought alt f4 is to remove the website



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From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 6:12 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

The easiest way I've found to shutdown Windows is to just do an Alt+F4
from the desktop. You get a dialog that asks what you want Windows to
do and the default is to shut down so just hit Enter.

Gene...


On 8/8/2022 5:45 AM, Angel wrote:

I apologize for sending that last message without a subject. It
shan’t happen again. Here it is: In case my last message was
ignored, again I apologize for my carelessness.

We forget, computer instructors teaching the blind are mainly
working, not on the behalf of the student; as the blind student is
not the one who pays his salary. Rather, he works for an agency.
Which is employed by either personal employers or federal or state
government agencies. So, instructors are obliged to teach whatever it is those agencies require.
When I received my first computer in 98, I was taught only that which
pertained to the job for which my computer and adaptive software was
purchased; which had nothing at all to do with the internet, for example.
So, I wasn’t taught to use the primitive internet extant. Individual
needs and preferences change and grow over time; along with
individual computer requirements. Which is why, I agree with mister
Warner. Given the limited time allotted for training it would be
difficult to teach, both, what employment requires and what
recreational things the student would like to learn. This is why many of us teach ourselves much of what
it is we prefer in a recreational sense. I have a dual challenge. One
of which limits the use of one of my hands. Two screen readers were
taught by my local agency for the blind, Window-eyes and Jaws. I had
no idea concerning the use of either screen reader. It was left to
the expertise of my instructor to decide for me the screen reader
which would serve my particular needs, and which would best
accommodate my secondary challenge. Because, I was ignorant. I,
however, was given a choice whether or not to have, installed on my
computer, Jaws for dos. I chose not to have that screen reader
installed. I later regretted that decision. I wish it had been made
for me, and I had learned to use that screen reader. I would have
been much wiser, today about the use of command prompts. By the way:
How does one put on the desktop a shortcut for restarting the
computer? Knowing more about command prompts would allow me to
understand how this might be accomplished; without having to ask you
fine people such a question. But, using such a desktop shortcut
might come in handy on occasion. There is always time for us to learn what it is we prefer on our own.

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Hello List,

I purchased an ebook version of a textbook I need for graduate school on kobo.

It mentions to download an app either for your desktop or iphone. I picked the desktop.

After I ran the installion it seems to open the app, but the screen seems to be blank.

I am wondering if this not accessible.

I wonder if I can convert the book into another format, or should I get my money back and purchase the book in ebook format somewhere else.

I’m running Jaws 2022 July edition and Windows 11.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

This deserves some clarification. Yes, alt-F4 can close down a website. More specifically, it closes individual windows. Sometimes the effect is to close a program or app, such as a browser. Sometimes it just closes a document, as is the case with MS Word, although if only one Word document is open, it will also close Word.
What Gene is referring to here is the effect pressing alt-F4 has when focus is on the desktop. In this case, it presents the user with the option to shut down the computer.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of meow meow
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:
I thought alt f4 is to remove the website
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From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 6:12 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

The easiest way I've found to shutdown Windows is to just do an Alt+F4
from the desktop. You get a dialog that asks what you want Windows to
do and the default is to shut down so just hit Enter.

Gene...


On 8/8/2022 5:45 AM, Angel wrote:

I apologize for sending that last message without a subject. It
shan’t happen again. Here it is: In case my last message was
ignored, again I apologize for my carelessness.

We forget, computer instructors teaching the blind are mainly
working, not on the behalf of the student; as the blind student is
not the one who pays his salary. Rather, he works for an agency.
Which is employed by either personal employers or federal or state
government agencies. So, instructors are obliged to teach whatever it is those agencies require.
When I received my first computer in 98, I was taught only that which
pertained to the job for which my computer and adaptive software was
purchased; which had nothing at all to do with the internet, for example.
So, I wasn’t taught to use the primitive internet extant. Individual
needs and preferences change and grow over time; along with
individual computer requirements. Which is why, I agree with mister
Warner. Given the limited time allotted for training it would be
difficult to teach, both, what employment requires and what
recreational things the student would like to learn. This is why many of us teach ourselves much of what
it is we prefer in a recreational sense. I have a dual challenge. One
of which limits the use of one of my hands. Two screen readers were
taught by my local agency for the blind, Window-eyes and Jaws. I had
no idea concerning the use of either screen reader. It was left to
the expertise of my instructor to decide for me the screen reader
which would serve my particular needs, and which would best
accommodate my secondary challenge. Because, I was ignorant. I,
however, was given a choice whether or not to have, installed on my
computer, Jaws for dos. I chose not to have that screen reader
installed. I later regretted that decision. I wish it had been made
for me, and I had learned to use that screen reader. I would have
been much wiser, today about the use of command prompts. By the way:
How does one put on the desktop a shortcut for restarting the
computer? Knowing more about command prompts would allow me to
understand how this might be accomplished; without having to ask you
fine people such a question. But, using such a desktop shortcut
might come in handy on occasion. There is always time for us to learn what it is we prefer on our own.

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The easiest way I've found to shutdown Windows is to just do an Alt+F4
from the desktop. You get a dialog that asks what you want Windows to
do and the default is to shut down so just hit Enter.

Gene...


On 8/8/2022 5:45 AM, Angel wrote:

I apologize for sending that last message without a subject. It
shan’t happen again. Here it is: In case my last message was
ignored, again I apologize for my carelessness.

We forget, computer instructors teaching the blind are mainly
working, not on the behalf of the student; as the blind student is
not the one who pays his salary. Rather, he works for an agency.
Which is employed by either personal employers or federal or state
government agencies. So, instructors are obliged to teach whatever it is those agencies require.
When I received my first computer in 98, I was taught only that which
pertained to the job for which my computer and adaptive software was
purchased; which had nothing at all to do with the internet, for example.
So, I wasn’t taught to use the primitive internet extant. Individual
needs and preferences change and grow over time; along with
individual computer requirements. Which is why, I agree with mister
Warner. Given the limited time allotted for training it would be
difficult to teach, both, what employment requires and what
recreational things the student would like to learn. This is why many of us teach ourselves much of what
it is we prefer in a recreational sense. I have a dual challenge. One
of which limits the use of one of my hands. Two screen readers were
taught by my local agency for the blind, Window-eyes and Jaws. I had
no idea concerning the use of either screen reader. It was left to
the expertise of my instructor to decide for me the screen reader
which would serve my particular needs, and which would best
accommodate my secondary challenge. Because, I was ignorant. I,
however, was given a choice whether or not to have, installed on my
computer, Jaws for dos. I chose not to have that screen reader
installed. I later regretted that decision. I wish it had been made
for me, and I had learned to use that screen reader. I would have
been much wiser, today about the use of command prompts. By the way:
How does one put on the desktop a shortcut for restarting the
computer? Knowing more about command prompts would allow me to
understand how this might be accomplished; without having to ask you
fine people such a question. But, using such a desktop shortcut
might come in handy on occasion. There is always time for us to learn what it is we prefer on our own.

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Presuming we're talking Windows 10 or 11, Windows Key + Period will do it.  There's also a second alternative which I've forgotten since I don't use it.

Typically, after I hit the above shortcut, I immediate begin typing the name of the emoji I'm hunting, or part of the name.  It makes reviewing the results a far less tedious experience.
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Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

The easiest way I've found to shutdown Windows is to just do an Alt+F4
from the desktop. You get a dialog that asks what you want Windows to
do and the default is to shut down so just hit Enter.

Gene...


On 8/8/2022 5:45 AM, Angel wrote:

I apologize for sending that last message without a subject. It
shan’t happen again. Here it is: In case my last message was
ignored, again I apologize for my carelessness.

We forget, computer instructors teaching the blind are mainly
working, not on the behalf of the student; as the blind student is
not the one who pays his salary. Rather, he works for an agency.
Which is employed by either personal employers or federal or state
government agencies. So, instructors are obliged to teach whatever it is those agencies require.
When I received my first computer in 98, I was taught only that which
pertained to the job for which my computer and adaptive software was
purchased; which had nothing at all to do with the internet, for example.
So, I wasn’t taught to use the primitive internet extant. Individual
needs and preferences change and grow over time; along with
individual computer requirements. Which is why, I agree with mister
Warner. Given the limited time allotted for training it would be
difficult to teach, both, what employment requires and what
recreational things the student would like to learn. This is why many of us teach ourselves much of what
it is we prefer in a recreational sense. I have a dual challenge. One
of which limits the use of one of my hands. Two screen readers were
taught by my local agency for the blind, Window-eyes and Jaws. I had
no idea concerning the use of either screen reader. It was left to
the expertise of my instructor to decide for me the screen reader
which would serve my particular needs, and which would best
accommodate my secondary challenge. Because, I was ignorant. I,
however, was given a choice whether or not to have, installed on my
computer, Jaws for dos. I chose not to have that screen reader
installed. I later regretted that decision. I wish it had been made
for me, and I had learned to use that screen reader. I would have
been much wiser, today about the use of command prompts. By the way:
How does one put on the desktop a shortcut for restarting the
computer? Knowing more about command prompts would allow me to
understand how this might be accomplished; without having to ask you
fine people such a question. But, using such a desktop shortcut
might come in handy on occasion. There is always time for us to learn what it is we prefer on our own.

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Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 04:13 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
So here's what folks should do when starting a thread,
What is the question you would ask to get the answer you are looking
for?
And part of that question would make a good subject, and you can
elaborate on your question in the message body.
I'm not trying to be condescending, just help folks make better
contributions to the list.
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And you're not being condescending, you're being helpful.
I'm not moderator here, but am elsewhere, and one of the things we (not just me) insist upon is descriptive topic titles.  And I hasten to add that this is very, very far from "the worst offender."  Getting topics like, "Help!," is absolutely not helpful, and many members will just delete such because it gives them absolutely no idea whatsoever what's being asked about.
This topic title at least narrowed the class of question.  But you are absolutely correct that a title like, "What's the Keyboard Shortcut for the Emoji keyboard?," or, "Emoji Keyboard Shortcut," zeroes in on precisely what information is about to be asked about.
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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

For some reason I’m unable to recall the key stroke for bringing up the list of emojis.  Could someone please refresh my memory? 

Ms. Kirtley