On 08/09/2022 4:52 AM Gerald Levy via groups.io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

Annabelle,

Are you talking about downloading files from a web site such as BARD to your computer's hard drive?  If this is the case, then your download speed will be dictated by the type of Internet service you have.  If it is taking about 15 minutes to download a 51 mb file from a web site to your hard drive, you probably have a slow Internet connection,most likely DSL from your local telecom provider.  I suggest visiting one of the Internet speed test sites, such as speedtest.net or fast.com, to measure your actual Internet download speed.  Both sites are completely accessible with JAWS, and you will be able to get a better idea of your real world download speed.  If your download speed measures less than 10 mbps, you probably have a slow Internet connection, and the only way to improve it significantly would be to sign up for high speed Internet service from your local cable TV or telecom provider, if available.  High speed Internet service usually starts at about 100 mbps these days, which means that large files will download in a matter of seconds, rather than taking 15 minutes or longer.  A number of other factors can affect Internet download speed, but it is important to know your actual download speed first before determining which steps to take  to increase it.

Gerald

 

On 8/9/2022 5:17 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

Hey Everybody!

When I download something to a hard drive, it says the download speed is something like 141KBPS, and the file is 51MB, which my computer claims takes 16 minutes to download. Is there a way to increase speed so it downloads faster? Also, when I rip a CD, my DVR219LBK DVD Rom drive seems to say that it rips a CD at 2X, when it's capable of a burn speed of 40X. Now I'm confused! 😕

----- Original Message -----

From: Glenn / Lenny

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 7:10 PM

Subject: Re: Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer

Maybe it's my older windows 10, but I can do windows X and up arrow twice to shut down.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 1:08 PM

Subject: Re: Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer

The only way I know of to get to the actual Power Button in the Windows 10 start menu is:
1. Hit Windows Key, then Tab.
2. Down Arrow 5 times, hit Enter.
3. Choose which of the options in the Power Menu you wish.

If there's a faster and more direct one in Windows 10, I'd love to hear it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

----- Original Message -----

From: Glenn / Lenny

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 7:10 PM

Subject: Re: Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer

Maybe it's my older windows 10, but I can do windows X and up arrow twice to shut down.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 1:08 PM

Subject: Re: Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer

The only way I know of to get to the actual Power Button in the Windows 10 start menu is:
1. Hit Windows Key, then Tab.
2. Down Arrow 5 times, hit Enter.
3. Choose which of the options in the Power Menu you wish.

If there's a faster and more direct one in Windows 10, I'd love to hear it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

On 9 Aug 2022, at 1:32 pm, Karen Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...> wrote:



It is practically daily. My husband uses it and does updates almost every day.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 1:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Teaching the use of screen readers:

 

Are you kidding?

Linux typically is more secure than any windows.

It is always being updated.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Madison Martin

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 12:47 PM

Subject: Re: Teaching the use of screen readers:

 

Oh I thought Linux wasn’t being updated anymore…

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 8, 2022 12:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Teaching the use of screen readers:

 

I'd sure like to see Freedom Scientific make a screenreader for Linux.

Linux uses almost all the native keyboard commands that windows does.

But the screenreader Orca is more like using NVDA or WindowEyes.

They could call it JFL.

I suggested this to them recently, but I never heard back.

If they could make a Linux screenreader that is close to being as robust as JFW, I think they would grab a big market.

I think more windows users would move to Linux if the screenreader was more like JFW.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 12:32 PM

Subject: Re: Teaching the use of screen readers:

 

Mike,

Another thing, and the title of this very topic points it out, is that you can't really teach "the screen reader" as an independent entity.  Screen readers, all of them, have as their sole reason for being giving the user the ability to access other things they want to use.  If I am not running a web browser, or word processor, or some other program that the screen reader is being used to access I can't really teach anything whatsoever useful about how one actually uses a screen reader.

The above being the case, and since the screen reader itself along with the application(s) are "soaking in" Windows, you're never able to deal with "pure" commands related to each, in isolation, as part of the natural flow of teaching how all of these things work in consort with each other.

It's funny how I have to disabuse many of the very idea that you can teach a screen reader in isolation.  You just can't.  It's an accessibility tool to other things, and as an independent entity, with nothing to access, is useless/has no reason for being.  It's a means to an end, not an end in and of itself, and you learn how to use that means by working on specific ends over time.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

Hey Everybody!

When I download something to a hard drive, it says the download speed is something like 141KBPS, and the file is 51MB, which my computer claims takes 16 minutes to download. Is there a way to increase speed so it downloads faster? Also, when I rip a CD, my DVR219LBK DVD Rom drive seems to say that it rips a CD at 2X, when it's capable of a burn speed of 40X. Now I'm confused! 😕

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:11 AM, Gene Warner wrote:

My solution to prevent prying eyes is to hook up an external
keyboard to my laptop, then close the lid.

-
Which is an excellent solution except if you need to be using the laptop
with its native keyboard when you're on site, or in a plane, etc.

Another trick if you have to use your laptop in public without an
external keyboard, and happen to be using a screen reader that does not
have a screen shade/curtain function, is this, recommended by another
computer tech when I was trying to find some way to make an old trick I
knew for diverting the Windows display work again:
The best idea I have is the use of a dummy display blank, and then
configuring windows to only display on that screen.

So plugin something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-Generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF
<https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-Generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF>

Then do this:
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/so...-while-using-external-monitor-ideapad-windows
<https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht504128-how-to-auto-turn-off-laptop-screen-while-using-external-monitor-ideapad-windows>

If you need local access, unplugging the HDMI dongle will enable the
local screen. Remote support software wouldn't care either way.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.
* ~ Lauren Bacall

Thanks Alan, I accepted and replied to the invitation you sent and look forward to reading the list messages.  Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows

Dave,

As one of the PhonesForTheBlind moderators, I sent you an invitation from the Admin page to join the list. If it doesn’t appear in your inbox, check your junk folder.

Alan Lemly

  Hi Curtis,  I got the following ‘send error’ message:

We weren't able to send this message, so we've put it in your Drafts folder. Before you try sending it again, you can check to see if the address is correct and that no attachments are too large

As I noted, Windows 10 – my only email client – has roadblocked me before when trying to join lists on Groups.io.

I used the owner link provided by Brian and sent a message asking for sign up help and will advise if I learn more.  Thanks, Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows

Dave:

Can you forward the email which shows the bounce?

Curtis

                Hi,  My attempts to sign up to

PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io

Bounce back.  My only email program is Windows10Mail.

Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach?

Thanks for any help.  Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:11 AM, Gene Warner wrote:

My solution to prevent prying eyes is to hook up an external
keyboard to my laptop, then close the lid.

-
Which is an excellent solution except if you need to be using the laptop
with its native keyboard when you're on site, or in a plane, etc.

Another trick if you have to use your laptop in public without an
external keyboard, and happen to be using a screen reader that does not
have a screen shade/curtain function, is this, recommended by another
computer tech when I was trying to find some way to make an old trick I
knew for diverting the Windows display work again:
The best idea I have is the use of a dummy display blank, and then
configuring windows to only display on that screen.

So plugin something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-Generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF
<https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-Generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF>

Then do this:
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/so...-while-using-external-monitor-ideapad-windows
<https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht504128-how-to-auto-turn-off-laptop-screen-while-using-external-monitor-ideapad-windows>

If you need local access, unplugging the HDMI dongle will enable the
local screen. Remote support software wouldn't care either way.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.
* ~ Lauren Bacall

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:11 AM, Gene Warner wrote:

My solution to prevent prying eyes is to hook up an external
keyboard to my laptop, then close the lid.

-
Which is an excellent solution except if you need to be using the laptop
with its native keyboard when you're on site, or in a plane, etc.

Another trick if you have to use your laptop in public without an
external keyboard, and happen to be using a screen reader that does not
have a screen shade/curtain function, is this, recommended by another
computer tech when I was trying to find some way to make an old trick I
knew for diverting the Windows display work again:
The best idea I have is the use of a dummy display blank, and then
configuring windows to only display on that screen.

So plugin something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-Generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF
<https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-Generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF>

Then do this:
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/so...-while-using-external-monitor-ideapad-windows
<https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht504128-how-to-auto-turn-off-laptop-screen-while-using-external-monitor-ideapad-windows>

If you need local access, unplugging the HDMI dongle will enable the
local screen. Remote support software wouldn't care either way.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.
* ~ Lauren Bacall

Dave,

As one of the PhonesForTheBlind moderators, I sent you an invitation from the Admin page to join the list. If it doesn’t appear in your inbox, check your junk folder.

Alan Lemly

  Hi Curtis,  I got the following ‘send error’ message:

We weren't able to send this message, so we've put it in your Drafts folder. Before you try sending it again, you can check to see if the address is correct and that no attachments are too large

As I noted, Windows 10 – my only email client – has roadblocked me before when trying to join lists on Groups.io.

I used the owner link provided by Brian and sent a message asking for sign up help and will advise if I learn more.  Thanks, Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows

Dave:

Can you forward the email which shows the bounce?

Curtis

                Hi,  My attempts to sign up to

PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io

Bounce back.  My only email program is Windows10Mail.

Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach?

Thanks for any help.  Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows

Oh I thought Linux wasn’t being updated anymore…

Mike,

Another thing, and the title of this very topic points it out, is that you can't really teach "the screen reader" as an independent entity.  Screen readers, all of them, have as their sole reason for being giving the user the ability to access other things they want to use.  If I am not running a web browser, or word processor, or some other program that the screen reader is being used to access I can't really teach anything whatsoever useful about how one actually uses a screen reader.

The above being the case, and since the screen reader itself along with the application(s) are "soaking in" Windows, you're never able to deal with "pure" commands related to each, in isolation, as part of the natural flow of teaching how all of these things work in consort with each other.

It's funny how I have to disabuse many of the very idea that you can teach a screen reader in isolation.  You just can't.  It's an accessibility tool to other things, and as an independent entity, with nothing to access, is useless/has no reason for being.  It's a means to an end, not an end in and of itself, and you learn how to use that means by working on specific ends over time.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

  Hi Curtis,  I got the following ‘send error’ message:

We weren't able to send this message, so we've put it in your Drafts folder. Before you try sending it again, you can check to see if the address is correct and that no attachments are too large

As I noted, Windows 10 – my only email client – has roadblocked me before when trying to join lists on Groups.io.

I used the owner link provided by Brian and sent a message asking for sign up help and will advise if I learn more.  Thanks, Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows

Dave:

Can you forward the email which shows the bounce?

Curtis

                Hi,  My attempts to sign up to

PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io

Bounce back.  My only email program is Windows10Mail.

Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach?

Thanks for any help.  Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows

Strangely, alt + F4 only works for me when I'm actually focused on the
desktop, even with all other things closed out, alt + F4 does nothing here
until I do windows M, then I can alt F4 to close windows.
So sometimes I just tap the windows key and left arrow to shutdown and
enter.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer


Alt+F4 is what I do, for one thing you don't have to first locate the
shortcut to use it so it's much quicker.

Gene...

On 8/8/2022 11:14 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:

Greetings:

This information is very much appreciated. However, I have to wonder if
it wouldn’t be easier, since you’re going to the Desktop anyway, simply
to press Alt F4 and then select the Press Enter (since Shutdown is the
default choice here).

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, August 08, 2022 9:14 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Creating a Desktop Shortcut to Restart Your Computer

1. Go to the desktop and make certain no item has focus. Then bring up
the context menu, whether by SHIFT+F10 or the Applications/Context Menu
key, and select New, Shortcut from that menu.

2. In the Create Shortcut dialog that comes up, in the "Type the
location of the item" edit box, enter: C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe
/s /r /t 5

then activate the Next button.

3. In the Type a name for this shortcut edit box, enter the name of your
choosing. I tend to just call it something like "Restart in 5 seconds."

4. Activate the Finish button, which will place the shortcut using the
name you choose on your desktop.


If you were to want that restart to begin immediately, with no option to
cancel, then change that 5 to a zero. That, or get rid of the "/t 5"
entirely and substitute it with "/l".

--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall

.

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 11:11 AM, Gene Warner wrote:

My solution to prevent prying eyes is to hook up an external
keyboard to my laptop, then close the lid.

-
Which is an excellent solution except if you need to be using the laptop
with its native keyboard when you're on site, or in a plane, etc.

Another trick if you have to use your laptop in public without an
external keyboard, and happen to be using a screen reader that does not
have a screen shade/curtain function, is this, recommended by another
computer tech when I was trying to find some way to make an old trick I
knew for diverting the Windows display work again:
The best idea I have is the use of a dummy display blank, and then
configuring windows to only display on that screen.

So plugin something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-Generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF
<https://www.amazon.com/Headless-Display-Emulator-Headless-1920x1080-Generation/dp/B06XT1Z9TF>

Then do this:
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/so...-while-using-external-monitor-ideapad-windows
<https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht504128-how-to-auto-turn-off-laptop-screen-while-using-external-monitor-ideapad-windows>

If you need local access, unplugging the HDMI dongle will enable the
local screen. Remote support software wouldn't care either way.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.
* ~ Lauren Bacall

Dave:

Can you forward the email which shows the bounce?

Curtis

                Hi,  My attempts to sign up to

PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io

Bounce back.  My only email program is Windows10Mail.

Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach?

Thanks for any help.  Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows

                Hi,  My attempts to sign up to

 

PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io

 

Bounce back.  My only email program is Windows10Mail.

Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach?

Thanks for any help.  Mitch

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

I use Control+W because it's easier to do with one hand.
Gene...
On 8/8/2022 8:07 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

Hi Lori,

I believe the two keystrokes have exactly the same function. I’m like you in that control-F4 is a long-time favorite. But I can see why control-w might be a better choice.

--

My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/ <https://adrianspratt.com/book/>

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Lori Lynn
*Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2022 7:27 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

This exchange has me a little confused. I have always thought that if I had multiple web pages open that I was to press Control+F4 to close just one of them. I’ve never heard of Control+W. Am I mistaken?

Lori Lynn

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2022 6:01 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:

On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 06:27 PM, Gene Warner wrote

:

    The short version is that Alt+F4 is the Windows global close command.

-
I'm going to split a hair here, but only because I have all too often seen how important it is:  ALT + F4 is the Windows global exit command. In most instances it will close the window/program, that is, exit, whatever it is that has focus.

I've watched the horror that occurs when someone accidentally exits something, when what they meant to do was close a tab, for instance. In all web browsers that I know of right now, if you use tabbed browsing it's very good to get into the habit of using CTRL + W to close your tabs.

I love ALT + F4, and teach it, but it's important to know that it generally exits programs and, for those that don't give you, "Are you sure?," type dialogs, it can catch you out.

This page that focuses on CTRL + W makes the distinction, and does it well: https://keyboardshortcuts.org/windows-keyboard-shortcuts/close <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkeyboardshortcuts.org%2Fwindows-keyboard-shortcuts%2Fclose&data=05%7C01%7C%7C72b695a1ae19426aa48008da7991ed7b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637955964912474522%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sKrNc9ZepNI01laV0KVo14Km%2BsDPuxoDiFt0YuhSM8g%3D&reserved=0>
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

Hi Lori,
I believe the two keystrokes have exactly the same function. I’m like you in that control-F4 is a long-time favorite. But I can see why control-w might be a better choice.
--
My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/ <https://adrianspratt.com/book/>
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Lori Lynn
*Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2022 7:27 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:
This exchange has me a little confused. I have always thought that if I had multiple web pages open that I was to press Control+F4 to close just one of them. I’ve never heard of Control+W. Am I mistaken?
Lori Lynn
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, August 8, 2022 6:01 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: The purpose of screen reader instruction:
On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 06:27 PM, Gene Warner wrote
:
The short version is that Alt+F4 is the Windows global close command.
-
I'm going to split a hair here, but only because I have all too often seen how important it is:  ALT + F4 is the Windows global exit command. In most instances it will close the window/program, that is, exit, whatever it is that has focus.
I've watched the horror that occurs when someone accidentally exits something, when what they meant to do was close a tab, for instance.  In all web browsers that I know of right now, if you use tabbed browsing it's very good to get into the habit of using CTRL + W to close your tabs.
I love ALT + F4, and teach it, but it's important to know that it generally exits programs and, for those that don't give you, "Are you sure?," type dialogs, it can catch you out.
This page that focuses on CTRL + W makes the distinction, and does it well: https://keyboardshortcuts.org/windows-keyboard-shortcuts/close <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fkeyboardshortcuts.org%2Fwindows-keyboard-shortcuts%2Fclose&data=05%7C01%7C%7C72b695a1ae19426aa48008da7991ed7b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637955964912474522%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=sKrNc9ZepNI01laV0KVo14Km%2BsDPuxoDiFt0YuhSM8g%3D&reserved=0> --
Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall