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Re: Jaws and speaking Excel headings

Carol Smith
 

Hi Steve,

Thank you! This is exactly What I am looking to do. I didn't even need to put in column names! I also found that if I want the titles to say something more meaningful to me, I only need type that information in and Jaws will read that instead of the obscure titles originally created by the owner of the file. I shall use this feature of Jaws a lot. The only difficulty is trying to use the 4-key command. Do you remember how to turn on sticky keys or can you give me an idea of where to find this command? Thanks again.

Carol

On 6/9/2017 5:14 AM, Steve Griffiths wrote:
Hi Carol,

You can identify multiple rows as titles. The trick is to select a cell from each row, in this case maybe A2, A3 and A4, and then press the keystroke to set them as titles: JAWSkey + Alt + Ctrl + C

You should then hear the titles read every time you move from one column to another, but not when you move up and down a column.

Does that work? Is it what you need?

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: 08 June 2017 18:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and speaking Excel headings

Hi,

My spreadsheet was set up by someone else. The column headers begin on row 2 and go through row 4. Each line has one word. I.E., A2 is Company and A3 is Symbol. there is F2 with Date of F3 original F4 Purchase.

There are ten columns and the actual data begins on row 6. The spreadsheet name is in A1.

Using the information that was posted yesterday with how to get columns headings to speak, my spreadsheet only said "title" when I arrowed through the cells. I am sure I may have done something wrong, but I am thinking it had more to do with my headers being broken into multiple rows.

Is there a way I can either combine the information on each column so that each word still remains in three rows, but only takes up one physical cell, or is there a way to get all three rows spoken with the column identification. I hope this makes sense. I don't want to change the physical appearance of the printed sheet. Thanks for any help. If you need further clarification, please email me off list.

Carol
carollablady@...








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Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire, RG7 3YG. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity registered in England and Wales
(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).

Tel: 0118 9835555
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Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Pat Seed
 


Hi Everyone,
When I was working at the Independent Living Centre in Thunder Bay, Ontario, in the early 90's, I was also the DOS expert on staff. It was around the time of the (PC Stoned) virus. The Executive Director would have me go around to all of the staff to help talk them through virus scans. Getting around directories to find documents was also something that I did with the staff. We are So Far from that now. I used JAWS then, and still do now.
Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Wow, Carol!

That brings back a lot of memories.

When I was in college in the middle 80s, I had a summer job. When my bosses found out that I knew all of the key commands for Dos, and could do so much on the computer, I was taken from my job, and my bosses had me sit with them, because they could not use DOS to do their work. Those were the days when the blind could shine! LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 8:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

Thanks.  I remember trying to get Jaws to work on a Windows 3.1 system

with very little success.  My boss allowed me to go back to my DOS

programs and I updated when Windows 95 was out and working with Jaws. 

Back then, I could still see the emblem of the shark wearing

sunglasses.  I though he was pretty sharp looking.

 

Carol

 

 

 

On 6/8/2017 7:52 PM, James Homuth wrote:

> No. For a time they sold JAWS for DOS and JAWS for Windows together. JFW 2.0

> was for Windows 3.1. JFD 2.3 was the last version of JFD to ship.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol

> Smith via Groups.Io

> Sent: June-08-17 7:48 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

> Wasn't 2.3 for Windows 3.1?

> Carol

> On 6/8/2017 7:28 PM, James Homuth wrote:

>> That was a completely different beast from JAWS for Windows. JAWS for

>> DOS I think went up to 2.3. It was discontinued when Windows 95 came

>> out and you no longer had to install DOS before you installed Windows.

>> I remember being amused that I had to start JAWS 2.3 before I could

>> launch windows to start JAWS 2.0.

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Jason White via Groups.Io

>> Sent: June-08-17 7:03 PM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

>> 

>> JAWS 2.x was for MS-DOS. It must have been 1992 when I bought it for

>> use with the DECTALK-PC speech card that I had just obtained. I

>> remember making a telephone call to the United States, very early in

>> the morning Australian time, to find out whether JAWS supported the

>> new DECTALK-PC synthesizers. It did, and, as I recall, Ted Henter

>> himself was on the other end of the line to tell me about it.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: Jaws and speaking Excel headings

Steve Griffiths
 

Hi Carol,

You can identify multiple rows as titles. The trick is to select a cell from each row, in this case maybe A2, A3 and A4, and then press the keystroke to set them as titles: JAWSkey + Alt + Ctrl + C

You should then hear the titles read every time you move from one column to another, but not when you move up and down a column.

Does that work? Is it what you need?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: 08 June 2017 18:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and speaking Excel headings

Hi,

My spreadsheet was set up by someone else. The column headers begin on row 2 and go through row 4. Each line has one word. I.E., A2 is Company and A3 is Symbol. there is F2 with Date of F3 original F4 Purchase.

There are ten columns and the actual data begins on row 6. The spreadsheet name is in A1.

Using the information that was posted yesterday with how to get columns headings to speak, my spreadsheet only said "title" when I arrowed through the cells. I am sure I may have done something wrong, but I am thinking it had more to do with my headers being broken into multiple rows.

Is there a way I can either combine the information on each column so that each word still remains in three rows, but only takes up one physical cell, or is there a way to get all three rows spoken with the column identification. I hope this makes sense. I don't want to change the physical appearance of the printed sheet. Thanks for any help. If you need further clarification, please email me off list.

Carol
carollablady@...








The Guide Dogs for the Blind Association
Registered Office: Hillfields, Burghfield Common, Reading, Berkshire, RG7 3YG. A company limited by
guarantee registered in England and Wales (291646) and a charity registered in England and Wales
(209617) and Scotland (SC038979).

Tel: 0118 9835555
Website: www.guidedogs.org.uk
Email: guidedogs@...


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

James Malone
 

Were they on 3.5 inch floppy diskettes?  I seem to remember them saying Henter Joyce.

I still have some.

James

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

Exactly, while I used every single version of Jaws Windows 95 was 20+ years ago and I certainly don't remember anymore if it was version 2.0 or 3.0 or whatever. I sort of went by that article where for some reason 3.0 wasn't even listed and just assumed that if 2.0 came out in 1996 and Windows 95 came out in 1995 that the 1996 Jaws version would have supported Windows 95.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

That article's very slightly inaccurate in some cases. JAWS 3.0 supported Windows 95, 2.0 did not. I believe 3.1 came out with Windows 98 support - or perhaps it was for SE. It may have even been 3.1 for 98 and 3.2 for SE - honestly, it was way too long ago. I ran 3.5 on Windows ME during my first attempt at college, and because we weren't rich, somehow got that same version to run on XP albeit with some qwerks. I don't know how well support worked with XP after that, as my next version of JAWS was I think either 5 or 6. I know I needed a new serial number for reasons I don't remember off the top of my head.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: June-08-17 6:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

Other milestones:

Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.

 

Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.

 

I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.

 

Tony

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

I guess it was around 1998

I thought that the first JAWS version was  started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

Cheers everyone.

Ronnie from London.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Hicks

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

Subject: Re: training modules

 

Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J.  There are links to tutorials.  If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you.  These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause. 

This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command.  This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program.  This information should be enough to get you started. 

Carol

On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

I downloaded my version of Jaws 18.  How do I git the training modules into FS reader?  tia

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

 


Which Dave?

David & his pack of dogs <myguidedogis@...>
 

Carol, which dave do you want?  The one with his own dog business or the other one. 


to Dave, Oregonian, etc.

Carol Smith
 

Dave, can you contact me off list? Thanks. I am sorry, but I don't know how to send messages to one person instead of the group.

Carol
carollablady@...


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

David Moore
 

Wow, Carol!

That brings back a lot of memories.

When I was in college in the middle 80s, I had a summer job. When my bosses found out that I knew all of the key commands for Dos, and could do so much on the computer, I was taken from my job, and my bosses had me sit with them, because they could not use DOS to do their work. Those were the days when the blind could shine! LOL!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 8:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

Thanks.  I remember trying to get Jaws to work on a Windows 3.1 system

with very little success.  My boss allowed me to go back to my DOS

programs and I updated when Windows 95 was out and working with Jaws. 

Back then, I could still see the emblem of the shark wearing

sunglasses.  I though he was pretty sharp looking.

 

Carol

 

 

 

On 6/8/2017 7:52 PM, James Homuth wrote:

> No. For a time they sold JAWS for DOS and JAWS for Windows together. JFW 2.0

> was for Windows 3.1. JFD 2.3 was the last version of JFD to ship.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol

> Smith via Groups.Io

> Sent: June-08-17 7:48 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

> Wasn't 2.3 for Windows 3.1?

> Carol

> On 6/8/2017 7:28 PM, James Homuth wrote:

>> That was a completely different beast from JAWS for Windows. JAWS for

>> DOS I think went up to 2.3. It was discontinued when Windows 95 came

>> out and you no longer had to install DOS before you installed Windows.

>> I remember being amused that I had to start JAWS 2.3 before I could

>> launch windows to start JAWS 2.0.

>> 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> Jason White via Groups.Io

>> Sent: June-08-17 7:03 PM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

>> 

>> JAWS 2.x was for MS-DOS. It must have been 1992 when I bought it for

>> use with the DECTALK-PC speech card that I had just obtained. I

>> remember making a telephone call to the United States, very early in

>> the morning Australian time, to find out whether JAWS supported the

>> new DECTALK-PC synthesizers. It did, and, as I recall, Ted Henter

>> himself was on the other end of the line to tell me about it.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 

 


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Exactly, while I used every single version of Jaws Windows 95 was 20+ years ago and I certainly don't remember anymore if it was version 2.0 or 3.0 or whatever. I sort of went by that article where for some reason 3.0 wasn't even listed and just assumed that if 2.0 came out in 1996 and Windows 95 came out in 1995 that the 1996 Jaws version would have supported Windows 95.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

 

That article's very slightly inaccurate in some cases. JAWS 3.0 supported Windows 95, 2.0 did not. I believe 3.1 came out with Windows 98 support - or perhaps it was for SE. It may have even been 3.1 for 98 and 3.2 for SE - honestly, it was way too long ago. I ran 3.5 on Windows ME during my first attempt at college, and because we weren't rich, somehow got that same version to run on XP albeit with some qwerks. I don't know how well support worked with XP after that, as my next version of JAWS was I think either 5 or 6. I know I needed a new serial number for reasons I don't remember off the top of my head.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: June-08-17 6:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

Other milestones:

Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.

 

Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.

 

I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.

 

Tony

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

I guess it was around 1998

I thought that the first JAWS version was  started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

Cheers everyone.

Ronnie from London.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Hicks

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

Subject: Re: training modules

 

Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J.  There are links to tutorials.  If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you.  These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause. 

This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command.  This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program.  This information should be enough to get you started. 

Carol

On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

I downloaded my version of Jaws 18.  How do I git the training modules into FS reader?  tia

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

 


Re: Jaws and speaking Excel headings

Dave...
 

Carol,

I replied off-list, since we are now drifting off JAWS topics.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol Smith via Groups.Io" <carollablady@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 10:20
Subject: Jaws and speaking Excel headings


Hi,

My spreadsheet was set up by someone else. The column headers begin on
row 2 and go through row 4. Each line has one word. I.E., A2 is Company
and A3 is Symbol. there is F2 with Date of F3 original F4 Purchase.

There are ten columns and the actual data begins on row 6. The
spreadsheet name is in A1.

Using the information that was posted yesterday with how to get columns
headings to speak, my spreadsheet only said "title" when I arrowed
through the cells. I am sure I may have done something wrong, but I am
thinking it had more to do with my headers being broken into multiple rows.

Is there a way I can either combine the information on each column so
that each word still remains in three rows, but only takes up one
physical cell, or is there a way to get all three rows spoken with the
column identification. I hope this makes sense. I don't want to change
the physical appearance of the printed sheet. Thanks for any help. If
you need further clarification, please email me off list.

Carol
carollablady@...


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Carol Smith
 

Thanks. I remember trying to get Jaws to work on a Windows 3.1 system with very little success. My boss allowed me to go back to my DOS programs and I updated when Windows 95 was out and working with Jaws. Back then, I could still see the emblem of the shark wearing sunglasses. I though he was pretty sharp looking.

Carol

On 6/8/2017 7:52 PM, James Homuth wrote:
No. For a time they sold JAWS for DOS and JAWS for Windows together. JFW 2.0
was for Windows 3.1. JFD 2.3 was the last version of JFD to ship.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: June-08-17 7:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Wasn't 2.3 for Windows 3.1?

Carol


On 6/8/2017 7:28 PM, James Homuth wrote:
That was a completely different beast from JAWS for Windows. JAWS for
DOS I think went up to 2.3. It was discontinued when Windows 95 came
out and you no longer had to install DOS before you installed Windows.
I remember being amused that I had to start JAWS 2.3 before I could
launch windows to start JAWS 2.0.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: June-08-17 7:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

JAWS 2.x was for MS-DOS. It must have been 1992 when I bought it for
use with the DECTALK-PC speech card that I had just obtained. I
remember making a telephone call to the United States, very early in
the morning Australian time, to find out whether JAWS supported the
new DECTALK-PC synthesizers. It did, and, as I recall, Ted Henter
himself was on the other end of the line to tell me about it.














Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

James Homuth
 

I think you can still pull it off their website, actually. Not sure why
you'd want to, but...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.Io
Sent: June-08-17 7:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

James Homuth <james@...> wrote:
No. For a time they sold JAWS for DOS and JAWS for Windows together.
JFW 2.0 was for Windows 3.1. JFD 2.3 was the last version of JFD to ship.

Then they made JAWS for DOS freely available at some point (after it had
already become irrelevant to most people, that is).


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Jason White
 

James Homuth <james@...> wrote:
No. For a time they sold JAWS for DOS and JAWS for Windows together. JFW 2.0
was for Windows 3.1. JFD 2.3 was the last version of JFD to ship.

Then they made JAWS for DOS freely available at some point (after it had
already become irrelevant to most people, that is).


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

James Homuth
 

No. For a time they sold JAWS for DOS and JAWS for Windows together. JFW 2.0
was for Windows 3.1. JFD 2.3 was the last version of JFD to ship.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol
Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: June-08-17 7:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Wasn't 2.3 for Windows 3.1?

Carol


On 6/8/2017 7:28 PM, James Homuth wrote:
That was a completely different beast from JAWS for Windows. JAWS for
DOS I think went up to 2.3. It was discontinued when Windows 95 came
out and you no longer had to install DOS before you installed Windows.
I remember being amused that I had to start JAWS 2.3 before I could
launch windows to start JAWS 2.0.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jason White via Groups.Io
Sent: June-08-17 7:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

JAWS 2.x was for MS-DOS. It must have been 1992 when I bought it for
use with the DECTALK-PC speech card that I had just obtained. I
remember making a telephone call to the United States, very early in
the morning Australian time, to find out whether JAWS supported the
new DECTALK-PC synthesizers. It did, and, as I recall, Ted Henter
himself was on the other end of the line to tell me about it.









Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Carol Smith
 

Wasn't 2.3 for Windows 3.1?

Carol

On 6/8/2017 7:28 PM, James Homuth wrote:
That was a completely different beast from JAWS for Windows. JAWS for DOS I
think went up to 2.3. It was discontinued when Windows 95 came out and you
no longer had to install DOS before you installed Windows. I remember being
amused that I had to start JAWS 2.3 before I could launch windows to start
JAWS 2.0.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.Io
Sent: June-08-17 7:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

JAWS 2.x was for MS-DOS. It must have been 1992 when I bought it for use
with the DECTALK-PC speech card that I had just obtained. I remember making
a telephone call to the United States, very early in the morning Australian
time, to find out whether JAWS supported the new DECTALK-PC synthesizers. It
did, and, as I recall, Ted Henter himself was on the other end of the line
to tell me about it.








Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

James Homuth
 

That was a completely different beast from JAWS for Windows. JAWS for DOS I
think went up to 2.3. It was discontinued when Windows 95 came out and you
no longer had to install DOS before you installed Windows. I remember being
amused that I had to start JAWS 2.3 before I could launch windows to start
JAWS 2.0.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.Io
Sent: June-08-17 7:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

JAWS 2.x was for MS-DOS. It must have been 1992 when I bought it for use
with the DECTALK-PC speech card that I had just obtained. I remember making
a telephone call to the United States, very early in the morning Australian
time, to find out whether JAWS supported the new DECTALK-PC synthesizers. It
did, and, as I recall, Ted Henter himself was on the other end of the line
to tell me about it.


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Chris Chaffin
 

I started with Jaws 2.0 on a machine running Windows 95 with Microsoft Office 97.
That is when you installed Jaws using 3.5 inch floppy disk.
It is amazing how far computers and technology have come over the years.

Chris

On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:03 PM, Jason White via Groups.Io <jason@...> wrote:

JAWS 2.x was for MS-DOS. It must have been 1992 when I bought it for use with
the DECTALK-PC speech card that I had just obtained. I remember making a
telephone call to the United States, very early in the morning Australian
time, to find out whether JAWS supported the new DECTALK-PC synthesizers. It
did, and, as I recall, Ted Henter himself was on the other end of the line to
tell me about it.




Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Jason White
 

JAWS 2.x was for MS-DOS. It must have been 1992 when I bought it for use with
the DECTALK-PC speech card that I had just obtained. I remember making a
telephone call to the United States, very early in the morning Australian
time, to find out whether JAWS supported the new DECTALK-PC synthesizers. It
did, and, as I recall, Ted Henter himself was on the other end of the line to
tell me about it.


Re: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

James Homuth
 

That article's very slightly inaccurate in some cases. JAWS 3.0 supported Windows 95, 2.0 did not. I believe 3.1 came out with Windows 98 support - or perhaps it was for SE. It may have even been 3.1 for 98 and 3.2 for SE - honestly, it was way too long ago. I ran 3.5 on Windows ME during my first attempt at college, and because we weren't rich, somehow got that same version to run on XP albeit with some qwerks. I don't know how well support worked with XP after that, as my next version of JAWS was I think either 5 or 6. I know I needed a new serial number for reasons I don't remember off the top of my head.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: June-08-17 6:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

Other milestones:

Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.

Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.

 

I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.

 

Tony

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

I guess it was around 1998

I thought that the first JAWS version was  started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

Cheers everyone.

Ronnie from London.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Hicks

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

Subject: Re: training modules

 

Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J.  There are links to tutorials.  If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you.  These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause. 

This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command.  This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program.  This information should be enough to get you started. 

Carol

On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

I downloaded my version of Jaws 18.  How do I git the training modules into FS reader?  tia

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

 


Re: JAWS says command keys, and other nonsense

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Just stop speech, wait a bit until the page is loaded and then review it manually. I never just let Jaws read an entire web page anyways, much to slow if I want to find just an article, a google search result or whatever.

Regards,
Sieghard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Vic Beckley
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS says command keys, and other nonsense

The problem I am having with extra verbiage is when I first load a web page. I first here the title of the web page as it is loading. Then I hear it probably 3 times before the page summary is spoken and one more time after that. I have a satellite connection, so my pages start loading fairly slowly. Is there any way to reduce this annoying chatter. If I stop speech, then the page doesn't automatically read.


Best Regards From Ohio,

Vic


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS says command keys, and other nonsense

Jessica, press insert+j to gain focus to the JAWS window. now press the alt key to get the menubar. the option menu should be announced, if so press enter or down arrow to open it. the first option should be basics... press enter to open it. the first setting should be Tutor Messages. press the down or up arrow key to choose Turn off Menu and Control Help radio button checked, and press enter to save and close the basics dialog.
vwa la.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Jessica D [mailto:jldail13@...]
Sent: Thursday, Jun 8, 2017 3:14 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS says command keys, and other nonsense

Hi,
I’m using JAWS 18, with Windows 10, 1607.

I’m getting a lot of extraneous info from JAWS.
When I go to my desktop, for example, I hear, “Windows D desktop.”

Can I stop JAWS from saying this extra stuff?
Thanks,
Jessica


Sent from Mail for Windows 10


A history of Jaws and Windows, was: training modules

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

I probably have most of you beat, my Jaws serial number is 1056. I first bought Jaws for DOS in 1989, I think it was version 1.1, when Windows 3.1 came out in 19992 I used it alongside DOS.

Jaws for Windows was actually first released in January 1995, it was JFW 1.0 with support for Windows 3.1/3.11 and Windows for Workgroups 3.1.

JFW 2.0 was released in 1996, not sure when, it had support for Windows 95 which was released in August of 1995. Back in those days there usually was not support for a new OS version at the time of release.

I am looking some of this up in a Wikipedia article, for some reason they skip JFW 3.0.

In between, in 1998, 1999 and 2000 we of course had the release of Windows 98, 98SE and Millennium.

Windows XP was first released on August 24, 2001

JFW 4.0 which came out in September 2001 and I am pretty sure it support Windows XP.

JFW 4.5 came out in August of 2002 and it was the first version which had quick nav keys for IE.

JFW 5.0 was October 2003 and then there was a longer gap as JFW 6.0 didn't come out until March 2005, it introduced the ILM licensing scheme.

JFW 7 was released later that same year (2005) and 7.1 is listed with a release date of June 2006.

Windows Vista was released in November of 2006 and I'm pretty sure JFW 8 which was released in November of 2006 had support for it as well as introducing Realspeak Solo voices. From here on it seems to go to the annual release schedule in late October/early November.

Other milestones:

Jaws Tandem was released with Jaws 10 in November 2008

Windows 7 was released in July of 2009 and JFW 11 came out in the fall with support for Windows 7 and it introduced Research It

In 2010 JFW 12 replaced the old configuration manager with the Settings Centre

Jaws 13 in 2011 introduced one of my favourite features, Convenient OCR.

JFW 14 in 2012 came with Windows 8 support and Flexible Web

JFW 15 in 2013 had Windows 8 touch screen support and introduced FS Reader 3.0

JFW 16 in 2014 introduced command search in Settings Centre and Convenient OCR which in V13 only applied to graphics on the screen was expanded to handle entire PDF documents

Windows 10 first was released on July 29, 2015 and an update to Jaws 16 from the previous fall had initial support for it.

JFW 17 in 2015 introduced smart navigation for tables and Liblouis, an open source braille translator

Finally JFW 18 in 2016 (last fall) introduced mouse echo, audio ducking and Settings import/export was reintroduced.

Here is a link to the Wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JAWS_(screen_reader)

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 2:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

I had an early demo version that was something like 0.76 with a serial in the 3000s.

 

I should have stock in the company since I have owned every version since DOS, either purchased or through paying for skipped updates.

 

Tony

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ronnie Hill
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 4:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

Well I can't remember which year I did stgarted with JAWS Version of 3.3!

I guess it was around 1998

I thought that the first JAWS version was  started from 3.2 it amazing to know it started from version 3 but I'm not sure.

Cheers everyone.

Ronnie from London.

----- Original Message -----

From: Bob Hicks

Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:37 PM

Subject: Re: training modules

 

Hard to believe I started on JAWS 3.1 isn’t it!

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carol Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 3:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: training modules

 

If you open the FS reader, you should be able to access tutorials from there by pressing control+J.  There are links to tutorials.  If they are not already downloaded and placed in the appropriate place, the program will do this for you.  These are in Daisy format and you can use control+P to toggle play and pause. 

This is a global key command, so as long as the reader is open, it takes presidence over other programs using that key command.  This makes it very handy if you want to practice what you are reading in an open program.  This information should be enough to get you started. 

Carol

On 6/8/2017 2:46 PM, Bob Hicks wrote:

I downloaded my version of Jaws 18.  How do I git the training modules into FS reader?  tia

 

Have a great day!

 

Bob Hicks

 

 

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