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Re: techno-challenged needs advice

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Press Jaws + J then go to help then to check for updates.
Re: firefox and Google chrome

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

I'm running JAWS 18, Firefox 53.02 and Windows 10, and Firefox is running well. On the otherhand, Internet Explorer 11 crashes frequently.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: firefox and Google chrome

I am running Windows 10 64 bit and will soon be running JAWS. With my current screen reader, Window Eyes, I found that the 64 bit version of Firefox did not work well. Google Chrome 64 bit seems to work pretty well. Which versions of firefox and Google Chrome work best with JAWS?
As a newbee to JAWS I appreciate any help.
Admin: Threads closed, moderations applied.

James Homuth
 

Folks,


The password thread and its way too many spinoffs are officially closed to new posts. The thread has been going non-stop for well over 24 hours, and combined with its several branching topics has done nothing but perpetuate a rant fest I thought was dropped yesterday. Enough. Any further problems related to this thread, take them off-list, as I asked people to do twice yesterday.


Additionally, for various violations of which folks are well aware, and if they're not they are encouraged to review the list policies, a couple people have been temporarily added to the moderation club. This is a direct result of some of the posts in those various threads I've just closed. Now, let's please and thank you be moving on to some of the more constructive topics we've currently got going, and let's try not to derail those in a similar fashion.


James,

List Admin
Re: forwarding a thunderbird question for another Window Eyes user reading mail as non threaded

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

This is a bug in the new version of TB. you have to have the latest version of jaws to fix it. Or run an older version of TB and turn off updates.

On 5/16/2017 6:32 PM, Dennis L wrote:

Hello List,

 

 

I'm trying to transition to Jaws starting with emailing which I am getting a lot of experience on lately.

 

 

I find with Jaws I have to view messages as threaded which I don't

like.  Is there a way to read messages as unthreaded.  Jaws doesn't seem

to read the titles unless threaded.  Hoping there is a setting to be

changed.
locked Re: not everyone is an expert.

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Oh, OK, seems a little over the top to mod you though.

On 5/16/2017 12:03 PM, Dennis L wrote:
No that was me that got moderated

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not everyone is an expert.

Wow did you just really ban the OP for telling people how they made him feel? Am I going to be banned too? If so this is not the place for me...
On 5/16/2017 12:18 AM, James Homuth wrote:
I asked twice that if there continued to be problems they be taken off-list.
Your little side comments instead just got you moderated.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Dennis L
Sent: May-16-17 3:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not everyone is an expert.

Relax not all users are rude like one don't let one person give you a
bad taste.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: not everyone is a expert.

not everyone is a jaws expert like you are.
you were all hand holders when you started useing jaws.
i just started useing the demo on and off 3 months ago. mostly off.
you will be getting thousands of new jaws users that use to use
window eyes like me since window eyes support is gone.
i only asked a simple password question and got the answer about 30
erigant messages ago.
i used vocal eyes then window eyes for 26 years. its going to be hard
for me to learn all the jaws functions from scratch.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?


Your just not going to own this are you? Mods should behave better...
I am irritated today because this is the second time a person has been
belittled on this list. At least the other person owned it and
apologize.be
techno-challenged needs advice

David Pearson
 

Hello all:

Recently installed Jaws18 from disc on Windows7 desktop machine. Sure there have been updates which were not included on disc.

Could anyone please tell me how/where to go, and find any updates for Jaws18? The simpler the instructions the better.

Sincerely yours,



David S. Pearson
Putting Keys back the way they were

brian albriton
 

There use to be something called change back to factory defaults or something like that. We probably haven’t seen it since many moons and jaws ago.

Is there an equivalent to that now? I’ve got some keystroke conflicts and can’t figure out what I goofed up so I want to go back to the way things were before I started messing around.

All the best, Brian

 

 

Brian Albriton

iPhone 2136103315

cocanut50@...

 
firefox and Google chrome

Don H
 

I am running Windows 10 64 bit and will soon be running JAWS. With my current screen reader, Window Eyes, I found that the 64 bit version of Firefox did not work well. Google Chrome 64 bit seems to work pretty well. Which versions of firefox and Google Chrome work best with JAWS?
As a newbee to JAWS I appreciate any help.
forwarding a thunderbird question for another Window Eyes user reading mail as non threaded

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Hello List,

 

 

I'm trying to transition to Jaws starting with emailing which I am getting a lot of experience on lately.

 

 

I find with Jaws I have to view messages as threaded which I don't

like.  Is there a way to read messages as unthreaded.  Jaws doesn't seem

to read the titles unless threaded.  Hoping there is a setting to be

changed.
locked FW: Abuse in the "digests"!

p tusing <ptusing@...>
 

Hello, all,

 

I  appreciate every bit of help that people on the   various JAWS lists have provided me and  others in the past.

Although I appreciate   VFO a lot, there have been a  few times  when issues were discussed on the lists that weren’t fully recognized as problematic issues by Freedom Scientific

In  other words, without the lists, it   would have been harder to get enough comments going to get the attention of the company that developed the excellent JAWS  software

I will refer to one issue later.

It is vital that we  help new JAWS users and ifI can help,  I would happily do so.

 

By the way, there are a lot of reasons why people have more problems using a screen reader and possibly typing besides having  other disabilities.

I joined the thread late and hope newcomers will be received warmly here.

 

Should we happen to  discover some clever new  feature for JAWS  that VFO could use, so much the better.

Six  years ago, some of us pressed VFo then Freedom  Scientific to do a better job of offering more distinct voices for those with slight hearing impairment or to  anticipate the aging of the

Large number of baby boomers who  wwill obviously  age and where many will find hearing distinctly more of an issue

I consider the previous example to be one very beneficial benefit of any list as sharing of  opinions for the positive can influence VFO; per the JAWS voices thing, the commentary did its successful   work.

 

In 1  public meeting,

A few professionals who  know absolutely everything  argued rudely that  to think  ahead of how we as eventual older people would best distinctly hear a screen reader was no  issue as they were    young  so  why bother about  older people and screen reader usability?

 

The  other example is the  perennial difficulty in reminding somethat many MAGIC users also use JAWS at the same time and vice versa.

 

Hence the need for a list not to  forget  that trying to  improve JAWS or getting answers when one is frustrated at  let’s say the launch of a     new version saves all of us time.

 

We need new ideas; that simply  makes the software better!

 

Many thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Abuse in the "digests"!

 

 

There’s no need to put up withthis kind of abuse.  If you want to join an email  list whose moderators treat all list members with patience and respect and don’t tolerate bashing or personal attacks of any kind, consider joining the JAWS Users list.  To subscribe, visit the following page:

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: Abuse in the "digests"!

 

I too have written the list owner and am dismayed at James's behavior. Especially as he is a moderator. There was one woman voicing her concern that if she asked for help she too would be seen as ignorant and would have to go through the same mistreatment... I really dont see how this is being tolerated.
On 5/16/2017 12:24 PM, HAMILTON wrote:

Moderator(s):

 

An e-mail explaining what was, and what was not, appropriate behaviour/language for sending to the JFW listserv was sent out not long ago.

 

It seems to me that “James Homuth” has crossed the line in many of his comments, including in Digest 886!  Most of my work life was involved with “human rights” issues, and it is important to remember that it is NOT INTENT that matters; rather, it is EFFECT.  If you agree, please do something about it.

 

It is possible that the person asking the original question may never write to this listserve after Mr. Homuth’s comments.  As well, others may be discouraged from reaching out for help with JAWS.

 

If you do NOT agree with my statement, please explain why his comments did not “cross the line”.

 

Thank you.

 

Jim Hamilton

 

********

 

 
Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

James Bentley
 

Glad to get your opinion.  I have a couple people that I can ask.

I want to play with TB for a week or so to find out if it screws up like WLM often does.  If not, I'm changing email clients.

Thanks for everything.

James B


On 5/16/2017 9:17 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 06:59 pm, James Bentley wrote:
What I am hoping for is for the message headers to read the same way that they did in WLM.

 P.S.:  If you're not against asking for sighted help on principle it is faster, much faster, to do the rearranging of the order via mouse-driven drag and drop and the addition of columns via right-clicking on the headings row and selecting/deselecting the columns you'd like to have displayed.

The logistics of doing this with a screen reader is just far more time consuming, so if you have a willing assistant and speed is of the essence then I'd definitely go that route.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.
Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I wonder if there are jaws scripts out there or if someone could write them.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 8:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

 

Hello Brian,

 

The multiple entries in the system tray seems to have resolved itself for now.  I do not even know why.

 

I do not use NVDA. So, I wonder if there is a way to try the drag and drop with Jaws to get the date column to show up in the message header?

 

Thanks,

 

James B

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:36 PM

Subject: Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

 

James,
        1.  I can't see that (Sent Date or anything similar) in the list of things you can display in Thunderbird  If you want to have a look yourself then see:  http://accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html and look for the section entitled, "Using drag and drop with NVDA to rearrange column headers in Mozilla Thunderbird"  Even if you don't plan to rearrange anything it lets you get into what's available to rearrange and that's not necessarily visible by default

        2.  Do you have more than one e-mail account set up in Thunderbird?   I have not seen the 4-notifications with 4 different message counts but it strikes me as if it could be a mailbox by mailbox feature, as in version 52 there is a single system tray icon where you get the counts for individual mailboxes on hover-over.  I don't see anything obvious in Tools, Options that would make this happen but it's the only rational explanation unless something's not working right (which, of course, could be the case).
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.
Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

James Bentley
 

Cool, I'll get my date back after midnight.

If you run across any information as to how I might move the unread to be the first column, please let me know.  It saves a major amount of time to see that first if I am going through a lot of email.

James B

James B



On 5/16/2017 9:11 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
James,

         Oh, that you can definitely do.  When I was playing around with this a while ago when a question like this came up before I had rearranged mine to something very similar to what you list.  I can't even recall what the original order was and I know that I added the status column so that the screen reader would read either "Read" or "Unread" because the questioner back then wanted that desperately.

          By the way the date itself is a date time stamp.  If the message is from today it's only the time but once it's past today's date the full date/time stamp with the date showing first, but all in the same column.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.
locked Re: Abuse in the "digests"!

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

James says he is list owner

Sent from my Android phone using Aqua Mail

On May 16, 2017 3:29:40 PM "Randy Barnett" <randy@...> wrote:

I too have written the list owner and am dismayed at James's behavior. Especially as he is a moderator. There was one woman voicing her concern that if she asked for help she too would be seen as ignorant and would have to go through the same mistreatment... I really dont see how this is being tolerated.
On 5/16/2017 12:24 PM, HAMILTON wrote:

Moderator(s):

 

An e-mail explaining what was, and what was not, appropriate behaviour/language for sending to the JFW listserv was sent out not long ago.

 

It seems to me that “James Homuth” has crossed the line in many of his comments, including in Digest 886!  Most of my work life was involved with “human rights” issues, and it is important to remember that it is NOT INTENT that matters; rather, it is EFFECT.  If you agree, please do something about it.

 

It is possible that the person asking the original question may never write to this listserve after Mr. Homuth’s comments.  As well, others may be discouraged from reaching out for help with JAWS.

 

If you do NOT agree with my statement, please explain why his comments did not “cross the line”.

 

Thank you.

 

Jim Hamilton

 

********

 
locked Re: not everyone is an expert.

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

No that was me that got moderated

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not everyone is an expert.

Wow did you just really ban the OP for telling people how they made him feel? Am I going to be banned too? If so this is not the place for me...
On 5/16/2017 12:18 AM, James Homuth wrote:
I asked twice that if there continued to be problems they be taken off-list.
Your little side comments instead just got you moderated.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Dennis L
Sent: May-16-17 3:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: not everyone is an expert.

Relax not all users are rude like one don't let one person give you a
bad taste.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
netbat66
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: not everyone is a expert.

not everyone is a jaws expert like you are.
you were all hand holders when you started useing jaws.
i just started useing the demo on and off 3 months ago. mostly off.
you will be getting thousands of new jaws users that use to use
window eyes like me since window eyes support is gone.
i only asked a simple password question and got the answer about 30
erigant messages ago.
i used vocal eyes then window eyes for 26 years. its going to be hard
for me to learn all the jaws functions from scratch.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 18 and password fields?


Your just not going to own this are you? Mods should behave better...
I am irritated today because this is the second time a person has been
belittled on this list. At least the other person owned it and
apologize.be
Re: accessible anti-virus programs

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Actually in Windows 7 it is called Microsoft Security Essentials, but it is also accessible and works just as well.

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 7:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accessible anti-virus programs

 

Windows Defender is available on win 7 also. It is the only anti virus program I use.
On 5/16/2017 8:55 AM, Dennis L wrote:

I’m on windows7

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accessible anti-virus programs

 

Windows Defender (if you use Windows 10), it’s already part of Windows, free and works just fine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accessible anti-virus programs

 

What are accessible anti-virus programs with jaws?

 
Re: accessible anti-virus programs

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Windows Defender is available on win 7 also. It is the only anti virus program I use.

On 5/16/2017 8:55 AM, Dennis L wrote:

I’m on windows7

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accessible anti-virus programs

 

Windows Defender (if you use Windows 10), it’s already part of Windows, free and works just fine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accessible anti-virus programs

 

What are accessible anti-virus programs with jaws?
Re: accessible anti-virus programs

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I’m on windows7

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: accessible anti-virus programs

 

Windows Defender (if you use Windows 10), it’s already part of Windows, free and works just fine.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 2:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: accessible anti-virus programs

 

What are accessible anti-virus programs with jaws?
Entire grid being read out by JAWS 18 in WPF application when first field is focused

eli.klein@...
 

We are building a 508 compliant WPF application, and one thing we found was that TextBlocks in every cell of the same Grid are being read off when the first item is selected. Also, it does not work if you are using 'shift' + 'tab' to move selection backwards, only when you use 'tab' alone and move forward. I tested if it was somehow a property of Grids by making a sample application with a Grid and TextBlocks in the columns and rows and selecting the upper left cell, and that did not make JAWS read all items on the Grid. So I don't think it is a general property of the Grid in WPF. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? And also how to stop it would be nice.
Re: Questions concerning Thunderbird

Brian Vogel
 

On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 06:59 pm, James Bentley wrote:
What I am hoping for is for the message headers to read the same way that they did in WLM.

 P.S.:  If you're not against asking for sighted help on principle it is faster, much faster, to do the rearranging of the order via mouse-driven drag and drop and the addition of columns via right-clicking on the headings row and selecting/deselecting the columns you'd like to have displayed.

The logistics of doing this with a screen reader is just far more time consuming, so if you have a willing assistant and speed is of the essence then I'd definitely go that route.
--
Brian        Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

        Many are under the gross misapprehension that the Constitution is a cage and a laundry-list rather than a framework upon which great things have been and still will be built.  Many things that are entirely Constitutional are not "in the Constitution," but are allowed under it.
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