Hi Everyone,

Something has happened from time to time, and I am looking for a
better way to handle this.

I had to set up at a website my profile which included creating a
username and password. When I entered on Next, I was still on the
same screen. This told me that I had an error. I could not find the
error message and I went carefully from top to bottom. I also
reviewed the fields I had entered and did not pick up the error.
Later I had my sighted sister help and she was seeing messages in a
box. We got all resolved at this website. I asked her later what she
recalled about the error message’s appearance. All she could recall that it was in a box.
I did not hear anything like error or please correct.

Was there a better way for me to handle this on my own?

I was using Windows 10, Chrome and JAWS 2022.

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Barbara

Hi.

Thanks for starting the thread on Discord.

It is now being used for a local book club I’m part of.

Can I ask please, how do you join a meeting? I did not find that task easy, last time we had one.

Thanks in advance.

On 07/07/2022 4:42 PM Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Annabelle!

 

I’m going to download and save this.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 7:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Discord

 

Sure. Here ya go!

Beginner's Guide to Discord – Discord

On 07/07/2022 4:33 PM Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:

 

 

Annabelle:

 

This is great to hear.

 

Do you know of any available tutorials?

 

I need to know basic things like how to connect with a particular individual, etc..

 

I’m hoping others might benefit from this thread as well.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 7:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Discord

 

Hey Tom!

I'm very familiar with Discord, and yes, it's accessible with JAWS.

On 07/07/2022 4:13 PM Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:

 

 

Hello, everyone.

 

Several members of our County Amateur Radio SKYWARN team have started to use Discord as a way to communicate with each other.

 

Since I’m the team leader, I thought it might be good if I became familiar with this platform.

 

Has anyone tried Discord, and is it reasonably accessible with Jaws?

 

Here’s the download link:

 

https://discord.com/download

 

Thanks!

 

Tom Behler: KB8TYJ

 

 

 

HI, try Becky mail from
http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm
I came from Becky to t-bird, but there isn't any good and accessibility reasoning I used to keep with t-bird. Becky's filters are somewhat easier to use, and Becky is not free except the first 40 days, and if you wish the archive I'll make a link for you. There is a specialized help file for Becky, like Audacity, for example, which is quite comprehensive.
On 7/10/2022 7:37 PM, Chris Hill wrote:

Different strokes, I guess.  I just messed with the address book, and for what little use I make of it, I guess it will be fine.  Most of what I need to do is go delete old stuff, and other than a little extra tabbing around, it is good enough.

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:50, Gene Warner wrote:

First there was this new Spaces button in the tab order that I would have preferred to be able to remove as I did not need it, but I could live with that.

What really did it for and caused me to go back to 91 was that the address book was completely different, so different that it wasn't a matter of just getting used to it, I found it much more difficult to manage. The simple list of contacts was gone, it was replaced with a drop down list. So I looked for options that might restore the address book to what I preferred, but could not find anything.

Gene...


On 7/10/2022 7:32 PM, Chris Hill wrote:

Hmmm, I'm running 102, and it seems basically the same to me.  What problems were you having?

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:29, Gene Warner wrote:

Hi everyone!

I recently upgraded Thunderbird to version 102 from version91 and wow! I did not like the changes at all, in fact I just finished downgrading it back to version 91.

The problem now is that I won't be getting any more updates, especially any security fixes that might come up. So now I am in the hunt for something to replace it. I don't need the kitchen sink thrown at me like Outlook does. I just need a simple and accessible email client that can do IMAP. I use GMail and want to keep my email on the server. Any recommendations?

I was also using Thunderbird's RSS capability  to monitor the podcasts for new episodes to download on my Victor Reader since I have it set up for manual downloading of podcast episodes, but that is for another topic.

Thanks!

Gene...

That is possible.
Barbara
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 10:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Website error messages
I don't know if this is your specific problem, but I have encountered sites where the error messages are displayed as graphics, sure they look like text to a sighted person, but to the screen reader they are graphics which it can't read without being able to run it through OCR first.
Gene...
On 7/11/2022 10:17 AM, Barbara Sheinbein wrote:

Hi Everyone,

Something has happened from time to time, and I am looking for a
better way to handle this.

I had to set up at a website my profile which included creating a
username and password. When I entered on Next, I was still on the
same screen. This told me that I had an error. I could not find the
error message and I went carefully from top to bottom. I also
reviewed the fields I had entered and did not pick up the error.
Later I had my sighted sister help and she was seeing messages in a
box. We got all resolved at this website. I asked her later what she
recalled about the error message’s appearance. All she could recall that it was in a box.
I did not hear anything like error or please correct.

Was there a better way for me to handle this on my own?

I was using Windows 10, Chrome and JAWS 2022.

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Barbara

Hi Everyone,

Something has happened from time to time, and I am looking for a
better way to handle this.

I had to set up at a website my profile which included creating a
username and password. When I entered on Next, I was still on the
same screen. This told me that I had an error. I could not find the
error message and I went carefully from top to bottom. I also
reviewed the fields I had entered and did not pick up the error.
Later I had my sighted sister help and she was seeing messages in a
box. We got all resolved at this website. I asked her later what she
recalled about the error message’s appearance. All she could recall that it was in a box.
I did not hear anything like error or please correct.

Was there a better way for me to handle this on my own?

I was using Windows 10, Chrome and JAWS 2022.

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

Barbara

Hi Everyone,
Something has happened from time to time, and I am looking for a better way to handle this.
I had to set up at a website my profile which included creating a username and password.  When I entered on Next, I was still on the same screen.  This told me that I had an error.  I could not find the error message and I went carefully from top to bottom.  I also reviewed the fields I had entered and did not pick up the error.  Later I had my sighted sister help and she was seeing messages in a box.  We got all resolved at this website.  I asked her later what she recalled about the error message’s appearance.  All she could recall that it was in a box. I did not hear anything like error or please correct.
Was there a better way for me to handle this on my own?
I was using Windows 10, Chrome and JAWS 2022.
Thanks in advance for any ideas.
Barbara

Well, good luck finding a replacement for Thunderbird, because if you are looking for a free email client that offers comparable accessibility and features, you will have a tough time finding one.  You could switch to the Windows 10 Mail app, but if you didn't like Thunderbird, you will almost certainly hate, hate, hate this email client.  Your only other option would be Outlook, which of course, isn't free, or some other paid client like Becky's Email, which I am not familiar with.  Happy searching.

Gerald

Besides, who is to blame is beside the point. Whether I saw it now by mistakenly downloading 102 before I should have or whether I waited until Mozilla offered it through the update channel, the point was that I could see where Thunderbird was going and I didn't like it, so it is time to look for something to replace it with.

Throwing out blame was pointless and accomplished nothing.

Now can we just drop it and get back to the original question?

Gene...


On 7/10/2022 10:11 PM, Bill White wrote:

Hi, Brian. Gene didn't have to deflect anything. Your aim is horrible. Maybe we're the ones who are sighted, and maybe you need cataract surgery ... on your mind!

Bill White

billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, July 10, 2022 6:58 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Replacement for Thunderbird?

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 08:41 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

If you don't have anything nice to say, you should try saying nothing at all.

-
No, Gene.  And your deflections, and that's all they are, are duly noted.  Grow up!
-- 

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

**Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.***
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

You can copy Becky's "everything" folder which is under the  main "my documents folder by default.
all of your different profiles are stored within that main folder:
"C:\Users\admin\Documents\Becky"
On 7/10/2022 9:27 PM, Tom X via groups.io wrote:

Hi,


The part I like about Tbird is that it is simple to make a backup copy of the roaming, Thunderbird folder or just the profiles folder.


Having a copy of the profiles folder backed up every couple of weeks, has got me out of trouble numerous times.  .


Maybe other email clients also have this feature but Outlook 2013 certainly did not which is why that client is not used any more by me.


Tom


On 11/07/2022 2:08 pm, Curtis Delzer wrote:

HI, try Becky mail from

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm

I came from Becky to t-bird, but there isn't any good and accessibility reasoning I used to keep with t-bird. Becky's filters are somewhat easier to use, and Becky is not free except the first 40 days, and if you wish the archive I'll make a link for you. There is a specialized help file for Becky, like Audacity, for example, which is quite comprehensive.

On 7/10/2022 7:37 PM, Chris Hill wrote:

Different strokes, I guess.  I just messed with the address book, and for what little use I make of it, I guess it will be fine.  Most of what I need to do is go delete old stuff, and other than a little extra tabbing around, it is good enough.

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:50, Gene Warner wrote:

First there was this new Spaces button in the tab order that I would have preferred to be able to remove as I did not need it, but I could live with that.

What really did it for and caused me to go back to 91 was that the address book was completely different, so different that it wasn't a matter of just getting used to it, I found it much more difficult to manage. The simple list of contacts was gone, it was replaced with a drop down list. So I looked for options that might restore the address book to what I preferred, but could not find anything.

Gene...


On 7/10/2022 7:32 PM, Chris Hill wrote:

Hmmm, I'm running 102, and it seems basically the same to me. What problems were you having?

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:29, Gene Warner wrote:

Hi everyone!

I recently upgraded Thunderbird to version 102 from version91 and wow! I did not like the changes at all, in fact I just finished downgrading it back to version 91.

The problem now is that I won't be getting any more updates, especially any security fixes that might come up. So now I am in the hunt for something to replace it. I don't need the kitchen sink thrown at me like Outlook does. I just need a simple and accessible email client that can do IMAP. I use GMail and want to keep my email on the server. Any recommendations?

I was also using Thunderbird's RSS capability  to monitor the podcasts for new episodes to download on my Victor Reader since I have it set up for manual downloading of podcast episodes, but that is for another topic.

Thanks!

Gene...

Hi,
The part I like about Tbird is that it is simple to make a backup copy of the roaming, Thunderbird folder or just the profiles folder.
Having a copy of the profiles folder backed up every couple of weeks, has got me out of trouble numerous times.  .
Maybe other email clients also have this feature but Outlook 2013 certainly did not which is why that client is not used any more by me.
Tom
On 11/07/2022 2:08 pm, Curtis Delzer wrote:

HI, try Becky mail from

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm

I came from Becky to t-bird, but there isn't any good and accessibility reasoning I used to keep with t-bird. Becky's filters are somewhat easier to use, and Becky is not free except the first 40 days, and if you wish the archive I'll make a link for you. There is a specialized help file for Becky, like Audacity, for example, which is quite comprehensive.

On 7/10/2022 7:37 PM, Chris Hill wrote:

Different strokes, I guess.  I just messed with the address book, and for what little use I make of it, I guess it will be fine.  Most of what I need to do is go delete old stuff, and other than a little extra tabbing around, it is good enough.

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:50, Gene Warner wrote:

First there was this new Spaces button in the tab order that I would have preferred to be able to remove as I did not need it, but I could live with that.

What really did it for and caused me to go back to 91 was that the address book was completely different, so different that it wasn't a matter of just getting used to it, I found it much more difficult to manage. The simple list of contacts was gone, it was replaced with a drop down list. So I looked for options that might restore the address book to what I preferred, but could not find anything.

Gene...


On 7/10/2022 7:32 PM, Chris Hill wrote:

Hmmm, I'm running 102, and it seems basically the same to me.  What problems were you having?

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:29, Gene Warner wrote:

Hi everyone!

I recently upgraded Thunderbird to version 102 from version91 and wow! I did not like the changes at all, in fact I just finished downgrading it back to version 91.

The problem now is that I won't be getting any more updates, especially any security fixes that might come up. So now I am in the hunt for something to replace it. I don't need the kitchen sink thrown at me like Outlook does. I just need a simple and accessible email client that can do IMAP. I use GMail and want to keep my email on the server. Any recommendations?

I was also using Thunderbird's RSS capability  to monitor the podcasts for new episodes to download on my Victor Reader since I have it set up for manual downloading of podcast episodes, but that is for another topic.

Thanks!

Gene...

HI, try Becky mail from
http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm
I came from Becky to t-bird, but there isn't any good and accessibility reasoning I used to keep with t-bird. Becky's filters are somewhat easier to use, and Becky is not free except the first 40 days, and if you wish the archive I'll make a link for you. There is a specialized help file for Becky, like Audacity, for example, which is quite comprehensive.
On 7/10/2022 7:37 PM, Chris Hill wrote:

Different strokes, I guess.  I just messed with the address book, and for what little use I make of it, I guess it will be fine.  Most of what I need to do is go delete old stuff, and other than a little extra tabbing around, it is good enough.

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:50, Gene Warner wrote:

First there was this new Spaces button in the tab order that I would have preferred to be able to remove as I did not need it, but I could live with that.

What really did it for and caused me to go back to 91 was that the address book was completely different, so different that it wasn't a matter of just getting used to it, I found it much more difficult to manage. The simple list of contacts was gone, it was replaced with a drop down list. So I looked for options that might restore the address book to what I preferred, but could not find anything.

Gene...


On 7/10/2022 7:32 PM, Chris Hill wrote:

Hmmm, I'm running 102, and it seems basically the same to me.  What problems were you having?

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:29, Gene Warner wrote:

Hi everyone!

I recently upgraded Thunderbird to version 102 from version91 and wow! I did not like the changes at all, in fact I just finished downgrading it back to version 91.

The problem now is that I won't be getting any more updates, especially any security fixes that might come up. So now I am in the hunt for something to replace it. I don't need the kitchen sink thrown at me like Outlook does. I just need a simple and accessible email client that can do IMAP. I use GMail and want to keep my email on the server. Any recommendations?

I was also using Thunderbird's RSS capability  to monitor the podcasts for new episodes to download on my Victor Reader since I have it set up for manual downloading of podcast episodes, but that is for another topic.

Thanks!

Gene...

HI, try Becky mail from
http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm
I came from Becky to t-bird, but there isn't any good and accessibility reasoning I used to keep with t-bird. Becky's filters are somewhat easier to use, and Becky is not free except the first 40 days, and if you wish the archive I'll make a link for you. There is a specialized help file for Becky, like Audacity, for example, which is quite comprehensive.
On 7/10/2022 7:37 PM, Chris Hill wrote:

Different strokes, I guess.  I just messed with the address book, and for what little use I make of it, I guess it will be fine.  Most of what I need to do is go delete old stuff, and other than a little extra tabbing around, it is good enough.

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:50, Gene Warner wrote:

First there was this new Spaces button in the tab order that I would have preferred to be able to remove as I did not need it, but I could live with that.

What really did it for and caused me to go back to 91 was that the address book was completely different, so different that it wasn't a matter of just getting used to it, I found it much more difficult to manage. The simple list of contacts was gone, it was replaced with a drop down list. So I looked for options that might restore the address book to what I preferred, but could not find anything.

Gene...


On 7/10/2022 7:32 PM, Chris Hill wrote:

Hmmm, I'm running 102, and it seems basically the same to me.  What problems were you having?

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:29, Gene Warner wrote:

Hi everyone!

I recently upgraded Thunderbird to version 102 from version91 and wow! I did not like the changes at all, in fact I just finished downgrading it back to version 91.

The problem now is that I won't be getting any more updates, especially any security fixes that might come up. So now I am in the hunt for something to replace it. I don't need the kitchen sink thrown at me like Outlook does. I just need a simple and accessible email client that can do IMAP. I use GMail and want to keep my email on the server. Any recommendations?

I was also using Thunderbird's RSS capability  to monitor the podcasts for new episodes to download on my Victor Reader since I have it set up for manual downloading of podcast episodes, but that is for another topic.

Thanks!

Gene...

When they sent me an e-mail, I had to fix my user name and password, and to
do so, I had to type in my phone number or e-mail.



I forgot which one I used.



AIRA assisted me with this, because I really had no idea how to do it.



Next time, I kee better notes.



Justin







From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian D
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 3:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Discord



Hi.



Thanks for starting the thread on Discord.

It is now being used for a local book club I’m part of.

Can I ask please, how do you join a meeting? I did not find that task easy,
last time we had one.



Thanks in advance.



Best wishes,



Brian Dalton.



From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison via
groups.io
Sent: 08 July 2022 00:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Discord



You're so welcome!

On 07/07/2022 4:42 PM Tom Behler <tombehler@...
<mailto:tombehler@...> > wrote:





Thanks, Annabelle!



I’m going to download and save this.



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 7:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Discord



Sure. Here ya go!

Beginner's Guide to Discord – Discord
<https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/360045138571-Beginner-s-Guide-to-Discord>


On 07/07/2022 4:33 PM Tom Behler <tombehler@...
<mailto:tombehler@...> > wrote:





Annabelle:



This is great to hear.



Do you know of any available tutorials?



I need to know basic things like how to connect with a particular
individual, etc..



I’m hoping others might benefit from this thread as well.



Tom Behler





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 7:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Discord



Hey Tom!

I'm very familiar with Discord, and yes, it's accessible with JAWS.

On 07/07/2022 4:13 PM Tom Behler <tombehler@...
<mailto:tombehler@...> > wrote:





Hello, everyone.



Several members of our County Amateur Radio SKYWARN team have started to use
Discord as a way to communicate with each other.



Since I’m the team leader, I thought it might be good if I became familiar
with this platform.



Has anyone tried Discord, and is it reasonably accessible with Jaws?



Here’s the download link:



https://discord.com/download



Thanks!



Tom Behler: KB8TYJ

Hi.

Thanks for starting the thread on Discord.

It is now being used for a local book club I’m part of.

Can I ask please, how do you join a meeting? I did not find that task easy, last time we had one.

Thanks in advance.

On 07/07/2022 4:42 PM Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:

 

 

Thanks, Annabelle!

 

I’m going to download and save this.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 7:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Discord

 

Sure. Here ya go!

Beginner's Guide to Discord – Discord

On 07/07/2022 4:33 PM Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:

 

 

Annabelle:

 

This is great to hear.

 

Do you know of any available tutorials?

 

I need to know basic things like how to connect with a particular individual, etc..

 

I’m hoping others might benefit from this thread as well.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 7:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Discord

 

Hey Tom!

I'm very familiar with Discord, and yes, it's accessible with JAWS.

On 07/07/2022 4:13 PM Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:

 

 

Hello, everyone.

 

Several members of our County Amateur Radio SKYWARN team have started to use Discord as a way to communicate with each other.

 

Since I’m the team leader, I thought it might be good if I became familiar with this platform.

 

Has anyone tried Discord, and is it reasonably accessible with Jaws?

 

Here’s the download link:

 

https://discord.com/download

 

Thanks!

 

Tom Behler: KB8TYJ