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moderated Re: zoom muting and unmuting

Justin Williams
 

Somehow, the script changed.

 

Now it is working.

 

But I'm not sure how to get the script to tell you what it is.

 

 

 

However, I'm getting the host is not letting people ummute.

 

However others can speak though.

 

I can't unmute.

I've closed down zoom and came back inot the meeting.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 7:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: zoom muting and unmuting

 

Hi,

 

Have you checked to see what JAWS script is being loaded when you run Zoom?

 

To check, press Insert + Q.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 6:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: zoom muting and unmuting

 

The first time I used zoom I was able to mute and unmute.

Now I'm getting unregistered script, and alt a won't work.

I'm using jaws 2022 and the zoom is supposedly on it's latest version.

 

Justin

 

 

 


moderated Re: zoom muting and unmuting

Milton Ota
 

Hi,

 

Have you checked to see what JAWS script is being loaded when you run Zoom?

 

To check, press Insert + Q.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 6:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: zoom muting and unmuting

 

The first time I used zoom I was able to mute and unmute.

Now I'm getting unregistered script, and alt a won't work.

I'm using jaws 2022 and the zoom is supposedly on it's latest version.

 

Justin

 

 

 


moderated zoom muting and unmuting

Justin Williams
 

The first time I used zoom I was able to mute and unmute.

Now I'm getting unregistered script, and alt a won't work.

I'm using jaws 2022 and the zoom is supposedly on it's latest version.

 

Justin

 

 

 


moderated Re: entering information in tables in Word

Adrian Spratt
 

I haven't encountered a table in Word for some time, but what about the JAWS layered command, JAWS key+spacebar, t? then, as I recall, you navigate with just the arrow keys.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

In a Word table, you can tab from cel to cell, selecting each cell as you move to it. Or you can press alt-ctrl right or left arrow to move from cell to cell, but nothing will be selected. On the internet, however, you have to use alt-ctrl and arrows; tab take you out of the table.
At 02:10 PM 3/27/2022, you wrote:
Hi, Jazzy. Curtis means using the ALT and CONTROL keys together with
the Arrow keys to navigate a table. For Example, ALT plus Right Arrow,
or CONTROL plus Right Arrow.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Hi,
What do you mean using the control and Alt keys to navigate? I've never
done this before.

Sincerely,
Jasmine



"Blindness is not what defines me, yet there are many things that do."
-Jasmine Kotsay, 2007
----- Original Message -----
From: Curtis Chong <chong.curtis@...>
Date: Sunday, March 27, 2022 09:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Greetings:

I would add that ideally you want to use the Control Alt and arrow keys
to move from one cell to the next within the table. This approach seems
to work well for me at any rate.

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine
Kotsay
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Hi,
I'm not sure if this will help, but I'll put it out there anyway. You
don't want to use the tab key to navigate through the table, because
after the second column, if you press the tab key, it will add a new
row or sell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use
the when you are navigating between the first and second column, but
not afterward. The tab key, after the use of it between the first and
second columns, will add a new row or cell to the table. This may be
the issue. You only want to use the Tab key when you are navigating
between the first and second column, but not afterward. Hope this
helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine


On Mar 26, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:

I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that
was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter
information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no
idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time
and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what
changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any
help is greatly appreciated.


--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053













moderated Re: entering information in tables in Word

Ann Byrne
 

In a Word table, you can tab from cel to cell, selecting each cell as you move to it. Or you can press alt-ctrl right or left arrow to move from cell to cell, but nothing will be selected. On the internet, however, you have to use alt-ctrl and arrows; tab take you out of the table.

At 02:10 PM 3/27/2022, you wrote:
Hi, Jazzy. Curtis means using the ALT and CONTROL keys together with the Arrow keys to navigate a table. For Example, ALT plus Right Arrow, or CONTROL plus Right Arrow.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Hi,
What do you mean using the control and Alt keys to navigate? I've never done this before.

Sincerely,
Jasmine



"Blindness is not what defines me, yet there are many things that do."
—Jasmine Kotsay, 2007
----- Original Message -----
From: Curtis Chong <chong.curtis@...>
Date: Sunday, March 27, 2022 09:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Greetings:

I would add that ideally you want to use the Control Alt and arrow keys to move from one cell to the next within the table. This approach seems to work well for me at any rate.

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Hi,
I'm not sure if this will help, but I'll put it out there anyway. You don't want to use the tab key to navigate through the table, because after the second column, if you press the tab key, it will add a new row or sell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. The tab key, after the use of it between the first and second columns, will add a new row or cell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the Tab key when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine


On Mar 26, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:

I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated.


--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053













moderated Re: entering information in tables in Word

Curtis Chong
 

Bill:

It is holding both Alt and Control keys together.

Cordially,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 1:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Hi, Jazzy. Curtis means using the ALT and CONTROL keys together with the Arrow keys to navigate a table. For Example, ALT plus Right Arrow, or CONTROL plus Right Arrow.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Hi,
What do you mean using the control and Alt keys to navigate? I've never done this before.

Sincerely,
Jasmine



"Blindness is not what defines me, yet there are many things that do."
—Jasmine Kotsay, 2007

----- Original Message -----
From: Curtis Chong <chong.curtis@...>
Date: Sunday, March 27, 2022 09:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Greetings:

I would add that ideally you want to use the Control Alt and arrow keys to move from one cell to the next within the table. This approach seems to work well for me at any rate.

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Hi,
I'm not sure if this will help, but I'll put it out there anyway. You don't want to use the tab key to navigate through the table, because after the second column, if you press the tab key, it will add a new row or sell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. The tab key, after the use of it between the first and second columns, will add a new row or cell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the Tab key when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine


On Mar 26, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:

I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated.


--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053


moderated Re: entering information in tables in Word

Curtis Chong
 

Hello Jasmine:

JAWS provides commands enabling you to move up, down, left, or right within a table one cell at a time, kind of like an Excel spreadsheet. Hold down Control and Alt, then navigate with the appropriate arrow keys. This is while within a Table in Word.

Cordially,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 12:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Hi,
What do you mean using the control and Alt keys to navigate? I've never done this before.

Sincerely,
Jasmine



"Blindness is not what defines me, yet there are many things that do."
—Jasmine Kotsay, 2007

----- Original Message -----
From: Curtis Chong <chong.curtis@...>
Date: Sunday, March 27, 2022 09:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Greetings:

I would add that ideally you want to use the Control Alt and arrow keys to move from one cell to the next within the table. This approach seems to work well for me at any rate.

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Hi,
I'm not sure if this will help, but I'll put it out there anyway. You don't want to use the tab key to navigate through the table, because after the second column, if you press the tab key, it will add a new row or sell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. The tab key, after the use of it between the first and second columns, will add a new row or cell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the Tab key when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine


On Mar 26, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:

I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated.


--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053


moderated Re: entering information in tables in Word

Bill White
 

Hi, Jazzy. Curtis means using the ALT and CONTROL keys together with the Arrow keys to navigate a table. For Example, ALT plus Right Arrow, or CONTROL plus Right Arrow.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2022 11:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Hi,
What do you mean using the control and Alt keys to navigate? I've never done this before.

Sincerely,
Jasmine



"Blindness is not what defines me, yet there are many things that do."
—Jasmine Kotsay, 2007

----- Original Message -----
From: Curtis Chong <chong.curtis@...>
Date: Sunday, March 27, 2022 09:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Greetings:

I would add that ideally you want to use the Control Alt and arrow keys to move from one cell to the next within the table. This approach seems to work well for me at any rate.

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Hi,
I'm not sure if this will help, but I'll put it out there anyway. You don't want to use the tab key to navigate through the table, because after the second column, if you press the tab key, it will add a new row or sell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. The tab key, after the use of it between the first and second columns, will add a new row or cell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the Tab key when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine


On Mar 26, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:

I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated.


--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053


moderated Re: entering information in tables in Word

Jasmine Kotsay
 

Hi,
What do you mean using the control and Alt keys to navigate? I've never done this before.

Sincerely,
Jasmine



"Blindness is not what defines me, yet there are many things that do."
—Jasmine Kotsay, 2007

----- Original Message -----
From: Curtis Chong <chong.curtis@...>
Date: Sunday, March 27, 2022 09:07 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Greetings:

I would add that ideally you want to use the Control Alt and arrow keys to move from one cell to the next within the table. This approach seems to work well for me at any rate.

Kindly,

Curtis Chong

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

Hi,
I'm not sure if this will help, but I'll put it out there anyway. You don't want to use the tab key to navigate through the table, because after the second column, if you press the tab key, it will add a new row or sell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. The tab key, after the use of it between the first and second columns, will add a new row or cell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the Tab key when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine


On Mar 26, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:

I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated.


--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053


moderated Re: Navigating Groups.IO #jaws

 

 
 
Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive
The Group Topics/Archive page for this group is:  https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/topics

Browsing a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive

Searching a Groups.io Topics Page/Archive
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         ~ Kim Chernin


moderated Re: What do JAWS script writers do?

Mark
 

I'm glad your response was shared Udo. I hope it gives food for thought.  Assuming the goals are to not slow down JAWS users and to ensure JAWS users enjoy the experience, is it possible for software developers to make applications that doesn't need JAWS scripters to do additional work? Or are there some things that application developers just can't do? 


moderated Navigating Groups.IO #jaws

ravi.pawa@...
 

Is there documentation on how to use groups.io using JAWS?


moderated Navigating Google News #jaws

ravi.pawa@...
 

Could someone help me with navigating google news. I used to be able to navigate using regions to jump between main and navigation region, but now that google has changed the navigation region into menus. So, when I choose “World” for instance and press Enter, I don’t know how to jump into main region and back.


moderated Re: entering information in tables in Word

Curtis Chong
 

Greetings:

 

I would add that ideally you want to use the Control Alt and arrow keys to move from one cell to the next within the table. This approach seems to work well for me at any rate.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 7:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

 

Hi,

I’m not sure if this will help, but I’ll put it out there anyway. You don’t want to use the tab key to navigate through the table, because after the second column, if you press the tab key, it will add a new row or sell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. The tab key, after the use of it between the first and second columns, will add a new row or cell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the Tab key when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. Hope this helps!

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine 



On Mar 26, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:



I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated. 

 

--

Marianne Denning, TVI, MA

Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired

(513) 607-6053


moderated Re: entering information in tables in Word

Marianne Denning
 

Thank you. I will try that. I could always use the tab key in the past. The only time I didn’t use it was when I got to the last column and row.            

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 9:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: entering information in tables in Word

 

Hi,

I’m not sure if this will help, but I’ll put it out there anyway. You don’t want to use the tab key to navigate through the table, because after the second column, if you press the tab key, it will add a new row or sell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. The tab key, after the use of it between the first and second columns, will add a new row or cell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the Tab key when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. Hope this helps!

 

Sincerely,

Jasmine 



On Mar 26, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:



I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated. 

 

--

Marianne Denning, TVI, MA

Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired

(513) 607-6053


moderated Re: entering information in tables in Word

Jasmine Kotsay
 

Hi,
I’m not sure if this will help, but I’ll put it out there anyway. You don’t want to use the tab key to navigate through the table, because after the second column, if you press the tab key, it will add a new row or sell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. The tab key, after the use of it between the first and second columns, will add a new row or cell to the table. This may be the issue. You only want to use the Tab key when you are navigating between the first and second column, but not afterward. Hope this helps!

Sincerely,
Jasmine 

On Mar 26, 2022, at 3:47 PM, Marianne Denning <marianne@...> wrote:


I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated. 

--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053


moderated entering information in tables in Word

Marianne Denning
 

I am using Office 365, Windows, and JAWS 2022. I created a table that was 12 rows and 2 columns and I had it autofit. When I try to enter information in the table JAWS just keeps saying "new cell." I have no idea where I am in the table. I haven't created a table in a long time and it is obvious that something has changed but I don't know what changed or how to fix it. I also use tab to move through the table. Any help is greatly appreciated. 

--
Marianne Denning, TVI, MA
Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired
(513) 607-6053


moderated Re: What do JAWS script writers do?

Glenn / Lenny
 

It was a good read none the less.
I kept it for reference.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: What do JAWS script writers do?

Hi all, 

sorry, it was a mistake. The mail shouldn't go into this list. 
Udo 

Am 26.03.2022 um 16:23 schrieb Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io <udo.egnerwalter@...>:

Hi Mark, 

I think scripting an app depends on a lot of things. The first aspect is in which framework the app is made, for example is it made the old style in which every control have its handle, or is it a modern UWP app in which you can use UIA, or is it a web app in which you can use Freedom's 

Most of the apps today using UIA so I run a script listing all the UIA controls with properties. I have a first glance at the properties so I can write scripts to focus controls which are difficult to focus or not in the tab order. I will have a look at the tab order to find out if there are controls unreachable. 

And yes, there are applications out there which are difficult or sometimes impossible to script. An example of an app difficult to script was the Audible app from Microsoft Store (which is removed from the store). Normally it's easy to script the UWP apps from Microsoft store, at least they should. The problem here is that some developers don't name their controls or forget to name some UIA properties like AutomationID. In Audible's case there weren't enough properties filled with clear names so one couldn't focus them. I tried to go round this issue by counting the controls so I could make a script like "go to the 6th control after the control with AutomationID named xyz". 

Web apps are great to script since Google Chrome and Edge Chromium have the opportunity to use UIA and Freedom's domain specific scripting API. 

In the JAWS scripting list you asked if there were apps that don't need scripting: 

It depends on the expectations you have. Some users are happy if the can tab around the app, fill edits or press buttons. Other users want to do this quickly and need some more keystrokes to focus controls. Some people need to know the time display in a media player. others don't care about this. If I have an app without scripts I usually find some issues I want to script to be more effective. 

You can say the more complex an application is the more it need additional scripting. An app like Microsoft Word or a browser needs scripting as well to do the things efficient. 

I hope this answers your questions, let me know if you have more questions. 

Have a nice weekand
Udo 



Am 25.03.2022 um 02:52 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...>:

I was wondering if JAWS script writers could describe what they do? That's a bit vague.  Are you given an application that isn't very accessible, and then somehow have to figure out how to make it better? Are you given tasks that a user wants to complete and then figure out how to make just those tasks accessible?  Are some applications hopeless or can a script do anything? If you have an example, as a case study, that might help explain what's involved.



moderated Re: What do JAWS script writers do?

Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi all, 

sorry, it was a mistake. The mail shouldn't go into this list. 
Udo 

Am 26.03.2022 um 16:23 schrieb Udo Egner-Walter via groups.io <udo.egnerwalter@...>:

Hi Mark, 

I think scripting an app depends on a lot of things. The first aspect is in which framework the app is made, for example is it made the old style in which every control have its handle, or is it a modern UWP app in which you can use UIA, or is it a web app in which you can use Freedom's 

Most of the apps today using UIA so I run a script listing all the UIA controls with properties. I have a first glance at the properties so I can write scripts to focus controls which are difficult to focus or not in the tab order. I will have a look at the tab order to find out if there are controls unreachable. 

And yes, there are applications out there which are difficult or sometimes impossible to script. An example of an app difficult to script was the Audible app from Microsoft Store (which is removed from the store). Normally it's easy to script the UWP apps from Microsoft store, at least they should. The problem here is that some developers don't name their controls or forget to name some UIA properties like AutomationID. In Audible's case there weren't enough properties filled with clear names so one couldn't focus them. I tried to go round this issue by counting the controls so I could make a script like "go to the 6th control after the control with AutomationID named xyz". 

Web apps are great to script since Google Chrome and Edge Chromium have the opportunity to use UIA and Freedom's domain specific scripting API. 

In the JAWS scripting list you asked if there were apps that don't need scripting: 

It depends on the expectations you have. Some users are happy if the can tab around the app, fill edits or press buttons. Other users want to do this quickly and need some more keystrokes to focus controls. Some people need to know the time display in a media player. others don't care about this. If I have an app without scripts I usually find some issues I want to script to be more effective. 

You can say the more complex an application is the more it need additional scripting. An app like Microsoft Word or a browser needs scripting as well to do the things efficient. 

I hope this answers your questions, let me know if you have more questions. 

Have a nice weekand
Udo 



Am 25.03.2022 um 02:52 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...>:

I was wondering if JAWS script writers could describe what they do? That's a bit vague.  Are you given an application that isn't very accessible, and then somehow have to figure out how to make it better? Are you given tasks that a user wants to complete and then figure out how to make just those tasks accessible?  Are some applications hopeless or can a script do anything? If you have an example, as a case study, that might help explain what's involved.



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Udo Egner-Walter
 

Hi Mark, 

I think scripting an app depends on a lot of things. The first aspect is in which framework the app is made, for example is it made the old style in which every control have its handle, or is it a modern UWP app in which you can use UIA, or is it a web app in which you can use Freedom's 

Most of the apps today using UIA so I run a script listing all the UIA controls with properties. I have a first glance at the properties so I can write scripts to focus controls which are difficult to focus or not in the tab order. I will have a look at the tab order to find out if there are controls unreachable. 

And yes, there are applications out there which are difficult or sometimes impossible to script. An example of an app difficult to script was the Audible app from Microsoft Store (which is removed from the store). Normally it's easy to script the UWP apps from Microsoft store, at least they should. The problem here is that some developers don't name their controls or forget to name some UIA properties like AutomationID. In Audible's case there weren't enough properties filled with clear names so one couldn't focus them. I tried to go round this issue by counting the controls so I could make a script like "go to the 6th control after the control with AutomationID named xyz". 

Web apps are great to script since Google Chrome and Edge Chromium have the opportunity to use UIA and Freedom's domain specific scripting API. 

In the JAWS scripting list you asked if there were apps that don't need scripting: 

It depends on the expectations you have. Some users are happy if the can tab around the app, fill edits or press buttons. Other users want to do this quickly and need some more keystrokes to focus controls. Some people need to know the time display in a media player. others don't care about this. If I have an app without scripts I usually find some issues I want to script to be more effective. 

You can say the more complex an application is the more it need additional scripting. An app like Microsoft Word or a browser needs scripting as well to do the things efficient. 

I hope this answers your questions, let me know if you have more questions. 

Have a nice weekand
Udo 



Am 25.03.2022 um 02:52 schrieb Mark <mweiler@...>:

I was wondering if JAWS script writers could describe what they do? That's a bit vague.  Are you given an application that isn't very accessible, and then somehow have to figure out how to make it better? Are you given tasks that a user wants to complete and then figure out how to make just those tasks accessible?  Are some applications hopeless or can a script do anything? If you have an example, as a case study, that might help explain what's involved.

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