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Moderated Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Both solid state drives are 500 GB Western Digital Blue. I wouldn't be able to tell which is which, as both of them are the same model.

On 10/08/2022 1:25 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:


On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 03:24 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
How would you be able to tell when a solid state drive fails? I've only had this machine since 2021.
-
The easiest way is by running the diagnostic software for the specific SSD manufacturer.  They virtually all provide somesort of monitoring/diagnostic software.  You'd have to look in Disk Manager, and use the Properties, Hardware tab for the drive to determine its model number, then do a quick web search on that model number to get the manufacturer (that is if you don't already know which maker your SSD is from).  Then go to that maker's website, support, downloads and fetch their dedicated monitoring/diagnostic software.

But, if you have anything on your system that presents you with the drive's SMART data, have a quick look at that, as you'll generally get warnings based upon any parameter that's "outside normal limits."  CrystalDiskInfo is a third party utility that uses this, and other data from the drive, and when I have NVDA up when CrystalDiskInfo is active, the "status button" that tells me the overall health (good), drive temperature in degrees C, and the actual logical drives (C: and D: in my case) on the SSD is the first thing it lands on.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

 

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 03:24 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
How would you be able to tell when a solid state drive fails? I've only had this machine since 2021.
-
The easiest way is by running the diagnostic software for the specific SSD manufacturer.  They virtually all provide somesort of monitoring/diagnostic software.  You'd have to look in Disk Manager, and use the Properties, Hardware tab for the drive to determine its model number, then do a quick web search on that model number to get the manufacturer (that is if you don't already know which maker your SSD is from).  Then go to that maker's website, support, downloads and fetch their dedicated monitoring/diagnostic software.

But, if you have anything on your system that presents you with the drive's SMART data, have a quick look at that, as you'll generally get warnings based upon any parameter that's "outside normal limits."  CrystalDiskInfo is a third party utility that uses this, and other data from the drive, and when I have NVDA up when CrystalDiskInfo is active, the "status button" that tells me the overall health (good), drive temperature in degrees C, and the actual logical drives (C: and D: in my case) on the SSD is the first thing it lands on.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

K0LNY
 


Annabelle,
Just curious, did you get the shots for covid?
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

I bet my sighted friend, Markus can tell me what's goin' on when he comes over. Hopefully that's soon, as I've been quarantined at home with the Omicron variant of the Coronavirus for the last couple weeks. I'm getting better now, but my American mom says I should wait just a little while longer, to make sure both Markus and I are safe,  as I don't want to give him any remnants of what I have.
On 10/08/2022 12:26 PM Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:


If it fails completely, you will know if the system won't even see it with WinPE.
But most likely, files will start getting corrupt and it won't boot on its own.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

How would you be able to tell when a solid state drive fails? I've only had this machine since 2021.
On 10/08/2022 11:04 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:


I decided to split this out into a topic of its own.  Too much is getting "shaken and stirred" on the originating topic.

Have you checked what the state of your system drive is?  And by that I mean using the utility of your choosing to look at SMART data and/or do a quick scan.

There is at least a decent chance that your system drive is in the process of failing, as that's one reason that you would be asked for Windows Media when attempting to boot.  The other could be a corrupt boot record, but I'd definitely suspect a drive that's on its way out first.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?- Linux

K0LNY
 


I believe Mate desktop is the most like Windows, in terms of a start menu and desktop appearance.
And from what I have only heard, sounds like KDE or KTE, whatever it is, now is accessible.
Anyway, you can get the latest Ubuntu-mate and try it again.
If nothing else, it is good for getting files from a windows that won't boot.
That is what got me into Linux back before 2000, is the inaccessibility of partitioning tools in windows.
Here's a download site:
You can use Rufus or Universal USB Installer to put it on a thumb drive and boot to that.
The default option on boot is try Ubuntu without installing, so when it boots, and your computer may beep at that point, simply press enter and let it boot.
The command for starting the screenreader is alt windows + S.
 
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Hello glen.

I certainly don’t require JAWS. I only wrote to say that my experience of over ten years ago was quite unsatisfactorya nd disappointing. That’s not to say that back then blind people didn’t’ successfully use Linux – they did and I talked to some of them. But there was just some weird quirk going on with my system and ORCA would not stay up for more than a few minutes at a time, no matter what I did. It also took the Linux kernel hoursa nd hours to install on it which I know was not normal – the person who was helping me get set up with Linux, a sighted user, told me that this was not at all normal given the apparent specs of the machine.

Good to know about Ubuntumate. I don’t know how that differes from regular Ubuntu, which is I think what I installed back in 2009. Why do you think it’s the best for a blind user?

What desktop environment are people using now anyway? I heard that Gnome had fallen out of favour, but KTE did not work with ORCA at all back then.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 8, 2022 01:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

If someone cannot use anything other than Jaws, then the Linux environment might be tough.

I liken using the Linux screenreader to NVDA or WindowEyes.

But as in windows, the bulk of used commands are operating system commands, and not screenreader commands.

I use the Eloquence voice, but people can buy the human sounding voices too, they are like 15 dollars a voice.

It ships with eSpeak.

Ubuntu-Mate is still the best choice for the Blind AFAIK.

It ships with FireFox, and I believe TBird and VLC are still the default eMail and media players that come with it.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 12:17 PM

Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

I’d love to get into using Linux. I tried around 2009 using Ubuntu with Gnome, and Orca, the screen-reader, was crashing all the time. There was a weird hardware problem with the system, I think, which I never understood – so I’m hoping it was just a one-off and that an experience today might be better. Back then, I decided to just do a lot more stuff in console/command line – fine, except I was spending so much time trying to find and read the appropriate man pages that I just gave the computer to my sighted partner instead, who was happily using Linux for a year or so, and I went back to Windows exclusively.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 8, 2022 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Really, if people are just doing eMail, some audio and some web pages, it would be more like using windows 7 than using windows 10 is.

You still have the pull-down menus, no ribbons in Linux, and the desktop is like in windows.

-
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this, vehemently.

The similarities between the Linux UI and Window UI exist, but they're superficial and the differences in the ecosystems is immense.  Way more than the adjustment needed to go from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is required to become proficient with the Linux UI and the Linux OS as a whole.

Changing operating systems, as opposed to upgrading in the same stream, is not something to be undertaken lightly.

Some people have wanted to complain about the Ribbons interface rather than learn it, and it's here to stay under most OSes besides Linux.  And learning a new Office Suite is no minor undertaking, either.

Moving from Windows 7 to 10 or 11 is a piece of cake compared to switching to an entirely new ecosystem.  Most of what you ever knew about Windows, going all the way back to Windows 3.1, is still entirely applicable and transferable.
 
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

I bet my sighted friend, Markus can tell me what's goin' on when he comes over. Hopefully that's soon, as I've been quarantined at home with the Omicron variant of the Coronavirus for the last couple weeks. I'm getting better now, but my American mom says I should wait just a little while longer, to make sure both Markus and I are safe,  as I don't want to give him any remnants of what I have.

On 10/08/2022 12:26 PM Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:


If it fails completely, you will know if the system won't even see it with WinPE.
But most likely, files will start getting corrupt and it won't boot on its own.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

How would you be able to tell when a solid state drive fails? I've only had this machine since 2021.
On 10/08/2022 11:04 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:


I decided to split this out into a topic of its own.  Too much is getting "shaken and stirred" on the originating topic.

Have you checked what the state of your system drive is?  And by that I mean using the utility of your choosing to look at SMART data and/or do a quick scan.

There is at least a decent chance that your system drive is in the process of failing, as that's one reason that you would be asked for Windows Media when attempting to boot.  The other could be a corrupt boot record, but I'd definitely suspect a drive that's on its way out first.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

JM Casey
 

Hello glen.

I certainly don’t require JAWS. I only wrote to say that my experience of over ten years ago was quite unsatisfactorya nd disappointing. That’s not to say that back then blind people didn’t’ successfully use Linux – they did and I talked to some of them. But there was just some weird quirk going on with my system and ORCA would not stay up for more than a few minutes at a time, no matter what I did. It also took the Linux kernel hoursa nd hours to install on it which I know was not normal – the person who was helping me get set up with Linux, a sighted user, told me that this was not at all normal given the apparent specs of the machine.

Good to know about Ubuntumate. I don’t know how that differes from regular Ubuntu, which is I think what I installed back in 2009. Why do you think it’s the best for a blind user?

What desktop environment are people using now anyway? I heard that Gnome had fallen out of favour, but KTE did not work with ORCA at all back then.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 8, 2022 01:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

If someone cannot use anything other than Jaws, then the Linux environment might be tough.

I liken using the Linux screenreader to NVDA or WindowEyes.

But as in windows, the bulk of used commands are operating system commands, and not screenreader commands.

I use the Eloquence voice, but people can buy the human sounding voices too, they are like 15 dollars a voice.

It ships with eSpeak.

Ubuntu-Mate is still the best choice for the Blind AFAIK.

It ships with FireFox, and I believe TBird and VLC are still the default eMail and media players that come with it.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 12:17 PM

Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

I’d love to get into using Linux. I tried around 2009 using Ubuntu with Gnome, and Orca, the screen-reader, was crashing all the time. There was a weird hardware problem with the system, I think, which I never understood – so I’m hoping it was just a one-off and that an experience today might be better. Back then, I decided to just do a lot more stuff in console/command line – fine, except I was spending so much time trying to find and read the appropriate man pages that I just gave the computer to my sighted partner instead, who was happily using Linux for a year or so, and I went back to Windows exclusively.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 8, 2022 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Really, if people are just doing eMail, some audio and some web pages, it would be more like using windows 7 than using windows 10 is.

You still have the pull-down menus, no ribbons in Linux, and the desktop is like in windows.

-
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this, vehemently.

The similarities between the Linux UI and Window UI exist, but they're superficial and the differences in the ecosystems is immense.  Way more than the adjustment needed to go from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is required to become proficient with the Linux UI and the Linux OS as a whole.

Changing operating systems, as opposed to upgrading in the same stream, is not something to be undertaken lightly.

Some people have wanted to complain about the Ribbons interface rather than learn it, and it's here to stay under most OSes besides Linux.  And learning a new Office Suite is no minor undertaking, either.

Moving from Windows 7 to 10 or 11 is a piece of cake compared to switching to an entirely new ecosystem.  Most of what you ever knew about Windows, going all the way back to Windows 3.1, is still entirely applicable and transferable.
 
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: YouTube Downloader, Extractor etc

Hareth
 

Hi Glenn,
The best way to use with github downloads is pressing the B button and
press on the first "assets collapsed" item you find, that should open
the latest release files to download.
Hope that helps.

On 10/8/22, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:
I don't know what it is about git hub, but even when I expand items, I can
never find a download link, when I enter on a file link, it just takes me to

another page of the same, and I go around and around, never getting stuff
downloaded.
This one is the same.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: YouTube Downloader, Extractor etc


For ease of use player and downloader, check accessible youtube
downloader pro, its free, you can set its default to download as mp3
as well.
https://github.com/sulaiman-alqusaimi/accessible_youtube_downloader_pro/releases











Moderated Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

K0LNY
 


If it fails completely, you will know if the system won't even see it with WinPE.
But most likely, files will start getting corrupt and it won't boot on its own.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

How would you be able to tell when a solid state drive fails? I've only had this machine since 2021.
On 10/08/2022 11:04 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:


I decided to split this out into a topic of its own.  Too much is getting "shaken and stirred" on the originating topic.

Have you checked what the state of your system drive is?  And by that I mean using the utility of your choosing to look at SMART data and/or do a quick scan.

There is at least a decent chance that your system drive is in the process of failing, as that's one reason that you would be asked for Windows Media when attempting to boot.  The other could be a corrupt boot record, but I'd definitely suspect a drive that's on its way out first.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: YouTube Downloader, Extractor etc

K0LNY
 

I don't know what it is about git hub, but even when I expand items, I can
never find a download link, when I enter on a file link, it just takes me to
another page of the same, and I go around and around, never getting stuff
downloaded.
This one is the same.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hareth" <hareth4m@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: YouTube Downloader, Extractor etc


For ease of use player and downloader, check accessible youtube
downloader pro, its free, you can set its default to download as mp3
as well.
https://github.com/sulaiman-alqusaimi/accessible_youtube_downloader_pro/releases


Moderated Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

Annabelle Susan Morison
 

How would you be able to tell when a solid state drive fails? I've only had this machine since 2021.

On 10/08/2022 11:04 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:


I decided to split this out into a topic of its own.  Too much is getting "shaken and stirred" on the originating topic.

Have you checked what the state of your system drive is?  And by that I mean using the utility of your choosing to look at SMART data and/or do a quick scan.

There is at least a decent chance that your system drive is in the process of failing, as that's one reason that you would be asked for Windows Media when attempting to boot.  The other could be a corrupt boot record, but I'd definitely suspect a drive that's on its way out first.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: YouTube Downloader, Extractor etc

Hareth
 

For ease of use player and downloader, check accessible youtube
downloader pro, its free, you can set its default to download as mp3
as well.
https://github.com/sulaiman-alqusaimi/accessible_youtube_downloader_pro/releases


Moderated Re: Question regarding password mannager option in google chrome

Gene Warner
 

If it's anything like the password manager in Edge, you just need to go into settings, then to passwords. There you will find a table that lists all of your passwords that have been saved in Chrome. Find the password you are interested in. In that row there will be a button that unhides the password so you can see it and then walk through it it character by character to find out which letters are in upper case versus lower case.

Gene...

On 10/8/2022 2:27 PM, Albert Cutolo wrote:
Good afternoon everyone,
Is their  a password manager  that google chrome saves and stores in its browser?  If so, might their be a way of recovering a previous password that I have forgotten? How would I go about accessing this option on the google web site?


Moderated Question regarding password mannager option in google chrome

Albert Cutolo
 

Good afternoon everyone, 

 

Is their  a password manager  that google chrome saves and stores in its browser?  If so, might their be a way of recovering a previous password that I have forgotten? How would I go about accessing this option on the google web site?    


Moderated Re: YouTube Downloader, Extractor etc

K0LNY
 

Hi Curtis,
According to the site, it is free only for 48 hours.
How much is it after that?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: YouTube Downloader, Extractor etc


Greetings:

I have found the Snap Downloader to be a beautifully accessible extractor
for YouTube. You can extract to audio or video, your choice. It is free.
Here is the link.

https://snapdownloader.com/

Cordially,

Curtis Chong


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Sommerfeld
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: YouTube Downloader, Extractor etc

Hi all.


As the subject line sais it. Is there a good tool on the net, that is
usable with jaws? I couldn't really find any.


Thank you all for help.


Daniel


Moderated Annabelle Susan Morison - Your Windows Woes

 

I decided to split this out into a topic of its own.  Too much is getting "shaken and stirred" on the originating topic.

Have you checked what the state of your system drive is?  And by that I mean using the utility of your choosing to look at SMART data and/or do a quick scan.

There is at least a decent chance that your system drive is in the process of failing, as that's one reason that you would be asked for Windows Media when attempting to boot.  The other could be a corrupt boot record, but I'd definitely suspect a drive that's on its way out first.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Moderated Re: YouTube Downloader, Extractor etc

Gene Warner
 

I am using the last release of version 2 of the Ponce Media Downloader. Version 3 uses java which I didn't want to install on my system so I chose to keep using version 2 as long as it keeps working. It is designed to be accessible so it works well with JAWS.

http://www.pontes.ro/en/

There are newer tools available that others will tell you about, I haven't used any of them so I will leave it to others to tell you about them.

Gene...

Gene...

On 10/8/2022 9:47 AM, Daniel Sommerfeld wrote:
Hi all.
As the subject line sais it. Is there a good tool on the net, that is usable with jaws? I couldn't really find any.
Thank you all for help.
Daniel


Moderated Re: YouTube Downloader, Extractor etc

Curtis Chong
 

Greetings:

I have found the Snap Downloader to be a beautifully accessible extractor for YouTube. You can extract to audio or video, your choice. It is free. Here is the link.

https://snapdownloader.com/

Cordially,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Daniel Sommerfeld
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 7:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: YouTube Downloader, Extractor etc

Hi all.


As the subject line sais it. Is there a good tool on the net, that is
usable with jaws? I couldn't really find any.


Thank you all for help.


Daniel


Moderated YouTube Downloader, Extractor etc

Daniel Sommerfeld
 

Hi all.


As the subject line sais it. Is there a good tool on the net, that is usable with jaws? I couldn't really find any.


Thank you all for help.


Daniel


Moderated Re: robot

James Homuth
 

First, the coffee you make at home is most definitely not free. The difference is when you paid for it. Starbucks, you pay for it when you want it. At home, you paid for it the last time you were at the store just in case you want it. To answer your question, there are several restaurants that offer free coffee--or at least, free coffee refills. The intention is usually that you'll buy something else, like breakfast. Those places are certainly not making money off serving you coffee.

Second, your initial comment was not appropriate, and I know you know better... because we had this exact same conversation last week. Knock it off. You're out of warnings.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 8, 2022 8:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: robot

First you should withhold comments until you know more about the situation, you might avoid having to endure the taste of shoe leather as you put your foot firmly in your mouth!

While I can use the GMail web interface and often do to create filters and to do other things that I cannot do from within Thunderbird, most of the time I am using Thunderbird to manage my email in my GMail account and in Thunderbird I delete emails with a simple push of the delete key.

And why would I go to Starbucks or anywhere else for my morning cup of coffee when I can get it for a much lower price right in my own kitchen?
Especially when I can get my coffee exactly the way I like it.

Besides, that's not really an appropriate comparison, I don't know of any place that gives you coffee for free, do you?

And yes, I know that Google is data mining whatever information about me I choose to let them have and I am perfectly fine with that because in return Google gives me a lot of services for free that I'd have to pay for anywhere else.

I can't speak for you or for anyone else, but I don't see anything wrong here. So I don't understand why you are questioning my choices.

Gene...

Gene...


On 10/8/2022 12:06 AM, David Diamond wrote:
Because using Gmail, you have to check the box to delete each message individually , then after the emails have been checked, then and only then can you delete them. whereas with outlook you just hit the delete key and it's deleted. You can even do the control A, and all messages are deleted at once. Please don't tell me you are one of those who thinks nothing of spending $10 for a coffee at Starbucks in one sitting, yet bulks at paying for a service that lasts a year and costs around $69.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 7, 2022 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: robot

Why would anybody pay for an email service when GMail work just fine and is free.

Gene...


On 10/7/2022 7:42 PM, John Covici wrote:
Yahoo mail should not be used, its been sold several times and might
go away at any time. There are much better services, and to get
something decent you should pay for it -- isn't Emaiil important?

On Fri, 07 Oct 2022 19:15:18 -0400,
Gene Warner wrote:

To see if I could duplicate what you are experiencing I went to
Yahoo! and selected to sign up for Yahoo! email. On the page where
it wanted my name and the email accoung I wanted (address and
password) there was no "I'm not a robot" check box. Does it come up
after that page?

Gene...


On 10/7/2022 6:57 PM, meow meow wrote:
I was going to get new email account that I have been looking for
good email account for long time that outlook just give me mess and
confuse so I gave up on outlook and going try yahoo email I did try
space bar it don't work and try us X kiy and didn't work either and
try enter and still don't work either



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2022 4:21 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: robot

Space always works for me. What page is this on?

Gene...


On 10/7/2022 6:11 PM, meow meow wrote:
when I do new account and I could not make x on for I'm not robot
how can I put x mark thanks




















Moderated Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

K0LNY
 


If someone cannot use anything other than Jaws, then the Linux environment might be tough.
I liken using the Linux screenreader to NVDA or WindowEyes.
But as in windows, the bulk of used commands are operating system commands, and not screenreader commands.
I use the Eloquence voice, but people can buy the human sounding voices too, they are like 15 dollars a voice.
It ships with eSpeak.
Ubuntu-Mate is still the best choice for the Blind AFAIK.
It ships with FireFox, and I believe TBird and VLC are still the default eMail and media players that come with it.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

I’d love to get into using Linux. I tried around 2009 using Ubuntu with Gnome, and Orca, the screen-reader, was crashing all the time. There was a weird hardware problem with the system, I think, which I never understood – so I’m hoping it was just a one-off and that an experience today might be better. Back then, I decided to just do a lot more stuff in console/command line – fine, except I was spending so much time trying to find and read the appropriate man pages that I just gave the computer to my sighted partner instead, who was happily using Linux for a year or so, and I went back to Windows exclusively.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 8, 2022 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Really, if people are just doing eMail, some audio and some web pages, it would be more like using windows 7 than using windows 10 is.

You still have the pull-down menus, no ribbons in Linux, and the desktop is like in windows.

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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this, vehemently.

The similarities between the Linux UI and Window UI exist, but they're superficial and the differences in the ecosystems is immense.  Way more than the adjustment needed to go from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is required to become proficient with the Linux UI and the Linux OS as a whole.

Changing operating systems, as opposed to upgrading in the same stream, is not something to be undertaken lightly.

Some people have wanted to complain about the Ribbons interface rather than learn it, and it's here to stay under most OSes besides Linux.  And learning a new Office Suite is no minor undertaking, either.

Moving from Windows 7 to 10 or 11 is a piece of cake compared to switching to an entirely new ecosystem.  Most of what you ever knew about Windows, going all the way back to Windows 3.1, is still entirely applicable and transferable.
 
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Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

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