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moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Gene Warner
 

Wow, only two problems in forty years? I'd call that a keeper.

Gene...

Gene...

On 7/26/2022 6:29 PM, Onwardbob wrote:
Wow, same here 2 times in 40 years is way to many even though the bank did reverse both times with no problem at all. I say hold out for perfection...
BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 11:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay
I will not go anywhere near BoA, of all the banks I've used, I had more
problems with fraudulent charges showing up in my account than with any
other banks. They're not as secure as they'd like you to think they are.
Gene...
On 7/26/2022 1:47 PM, Onwardbob wrote:
Hi, B of A is pretty good, although I can't speak to their AP.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of T.
Civitello
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 10:23 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: bank on line bill pay

I need to change my bank to one with good accessibility. ould be
welcome. Thanks Tom







moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Gene Warner
 

I tried that technique with the Chase app, it didn't work, it either kept telling me to put the check on a contrasting background when it was on a black desktop, or it would say the check is too far away and couldn't be read.

Gene...

On 7/26/2022 6:34 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

One technique I have found that works with SeeingAI, and would probably help with the bank's app is, to set the phone's camera directly down in the middle of the paper, and then with both hands and elbows on the table, lift the phone straight up.
Hopefully the app will allow you to use a volume button to take the picture, if it isn't automatic.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 4:41 PM
*Subject:* Re: bank on line bill pay
On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 04:36 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
You do know it is possible to hold still so the camera gets a steady
image unless you have some kind of mobility issue.
-
Of course I do.  But what you are not accounting for is that you generally have to be able to see the target to be able to do this with any ease with a handheld camera.  And I can tell you that even as someone who sees, this can still be finicky.
To me, accessibility is about coming up with a way that works to get the desired result, and does so consistently.  Very often that means using compensatory strategies.
Things that rely on vision as a primary part of using them, and handheld cameras of any sort fall into this category, are going to prove challenging for those who have significant visual impairment or are blind.  It's never going to be even close in ease of use as it is for someone who has the sensory modality around which something is designed.  The same is true with regard to any technology that is primarily focused on a given sense and where that sense is significantly impaired or absent for a given individual.  And all accessibility, if any is even possible (you can't make the profoundly deaf hear no matter what), is a workaround that is absent much of the information contained in the sensory modality being "worked around."  At best you have some sort of rough to very, very rough approximation.
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moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

K0LNY
 


One technique I have found that works with SeeingAI, and would probably help with the bank's app is, to set the phone's camera directly down in the middle of the paper, and then with both hands and elbows on the table, lift the phone straight up.
Hopefully the app will allow you to use a volume button to take the picture, if it isn't automatic.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 04:36 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
You do know it is possible to hold still so the camera gets a steady image unless you have some kind of mobility issue.
-
Of course I do.  But what you are not accounting for is that you generally have to be able to see the target to be able to do this with any ease with a handheld camera.  And I can tell you that even as someone who sees, this can still be finicky.

To me, accessibility is about coming up with a way that works to get the desired result, and does so consistently.  Very often that means using compensatory strategies.
 
Things that rely on vision as a primary part of using them, and handheld cameras of any sort fall into this category, are going to prove challenging for those who have significant visual impairment or are blind.  It's never going to be even close in ease of use as it is for someone who has the sensory modality around which something is designed.  The same is true with regard to any technology that is primarily focused on a given sense and where that sense is significantly impaired or absent for a given individual.  And all accessibility, if any is even possible (you can't make the profoundly deaf hear no matter what), is a workaround that is absent much of the information contained in the sensory modality being "worked around."  At best you have some sort of rough to very, very rough approximation.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Onwardbob
 

Wow, same here 2 times in 40 years is way to many even though the bank did reverse both times with no problem at all. I say hold out for perfection...

BOB SOUTAR…ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 11:01 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay

I will not go anywhere near BoA, of all the banks I've used, I had more
problems with fraudulent charges showing up in my account than with any
other banks. They're not as secure as they'd like you to think they are.

Gene...


On 7/26/2022 1:47 PM, Onwardbob wrote:
Hi, B of A is pretty good, although I can't speak to their AP.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of T.
Civitello
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 10:23 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: bank on line bill pay

I need to change my bank to one with good accessibility. ould be
welcome. Thanks Tom







moderated Re: Using Slack

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND <pamela.a.ekstrand.-nd@...>
 

I have to use Slack heavily in my job since that is the main method of communication in the company except for email.

I find all of the clutter on the screen frustrating, but I have not found a way to get rid of that.

So I would say from my perspective that it definitely is useable, but sometimes cumbersome.

Just a word of caution...be careful if you have several Slack windows open at a time that you ping the right person or group. But that applies to any other platform like this.

Pam

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Covici via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 5:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Slack

Its pretty bad, but there are a lot of shortcut keys, some of which
make it usable. The ones I like are control-k which if you up arrow a
few times you will get an edit box so you can type the channel name.
The others I use most often are shift-pgup and shift-pgdn which will
get you to the previous or next date -- you have to turn the virtual
cursor off to use those two controls. The other thing to watch out
for, if you are typing a message, don't hit return, that sends the
message, use shift return instead.

I hope these are orf some use.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 16:17:45 -0400,
Don Mauck wrote:

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I've been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application? Every time I think something works the next day it doesn't.
I'd love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good experience.





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moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

John Covici
 

Well, if you are a user of emacs, it has a very nice epub reader
called nov.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 16:59:07 -0400,
Jeff Lukacsena wrote:

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Hello Everyone,

I will be attending graduate school this fall. The access technology center
mentioned that some of my books might be available in Epub. I have never
used ePub books before. Can someone point me to the best places to find, and
learn how to read these kinds of books.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena








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moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 05:58 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
So why do you insist that I have to make a holder for my phone or that I need sighted help?
-
I didn't insist that YOU do anything.  All advice I offer, whether to you or anyone else, is take it if you like it or leave it if you don't.

I made a suggestion, and one I know that can work.  If it's not to your liking then pursue something else or just continue complaining.

Different situations call for different actions.  I can't, and won't, attempt to force anyone to do anything they do not wish to do.  But I will offer options they may or may not like or accept.
--

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Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Gene Warner
 

I won't use any of those Q programs, he charges for them, then doesn't give you any technical support when there are problems. So I obviously don't recommend that you use them.

Gene...

On 7/26/2022 5:49 PM, Sharon wrote:
QRead will still read epub but I don’t know when it will stop working on the latest windows.
It works using windows 10.
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Jeff Lukacsena
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 4:59 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* epub books and what to use to read them
Hello Everyone,
I will be attending graduate school this fall. The access technology center mentioned that some of my books might be available in Epub. I have never used ePub books before. Can someone point me to the best places to find, and learn how to read these kinds of books.
Thanks,
Jeff Lukacsena


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Gene Warner
 

To me accessibility means that I can use it without needing sighted assistance.

I scanned documents all the time with my phone's camera without a problem because the scanning app would tell me if it couldn't see an edge and I didn't need to create some kind of holder for my phone or the document, nor did I need sighted assistance to set it up.

So why do you insist that I have to make a holder for my phone or that I need sighted help?

Gene...

On 7/26/2022 5:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 04:36 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
You do know it is possible to hold still so the camera gets a steady
image unless you have some kind of mobility issue.
-
Of course I do.  But what you are not accounting for is that you generally have to be able to see the target to be able to do this with any ease with a handheld camera.  And I can tell you that even as someone who sees, this can still be finicky.
To me, accessibility is about coming up with a way that works to get the desired result, and does so consistently.  Very often that means using compensatory strategies.
Things that rely on vision as a primary part of using them, and handheld cameras of any sort fall into this category, are going to prove challenging for those who have significant visual impairment or are blind.  It's never going to be even close in ease of use as it is for someone who has the sensory modality around which something is designed.  The same is true with regard to any technology that is primarily focused on a given sense and where that sense is significantly impaired or absent for a given individual.  And all accessibility, if any is even possible (you can't make the profoundly deaf hear no matter what), is a workaround that is absent much of the information contained in the sensory modality being "worked around."  At best you have some sort of rough to very, very rough approximation.
--
Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Using Slack

John Covici
 

Its pretty bad, but there are a lot of shortcut keys, some of which
make it usable. The ones I like are control-k which if you up arrow a
few times you will get an edit box so you can type the channel name.
The others I use most often are shift-pgup and shift-pgdn which will
get you to the previous or next date -- you have to turn the virtual
cursor off to use those two controls. The other thing to watch out
for, if you are typing a message, don't hit return, that sends the
message, use shift return instead.

I hope these are orf some use.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 16:17:45 -0400,
Don Mauck wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>]
I've been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application? Every time I think something works the next day it doesn't.
I'd love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good experience.





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moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Sharon
 

QRead will still read epub but I don’t know when it will stop working on the latest windows.

It works using windows 10.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Lukacsena
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 4:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: epub books and what to use to read them

 

Hello Everyone,

I will be attending graduate school this fall. The access technology center mentioned that some of my books might be available in Epub. I have never used ePub books before. Can someone point me to the best places to find, and learn how to read these kinds of books.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 04:36 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
You do know it is possible to hold still so the camera gets a steady image unless you have some kind of mobility issue.
-
Of course I do.  But what you are not accounting for is that you generally have to be able to see the target to be able to do this with any ease with a handheld camera.  And I can tell you that even as someone who sees, this can still be finicky.

To me, accessibility is about coming up with a way that works to get the desired result, and does so consistently.  Very often that means using compensatory strategies.
 
Things that rely on vision as a primary part of using them, and handheld cameras of any sort fall into this category, are going to prove challenging for those who have significant visual impairment or are blind.  It's never going to be even close in ease of use as it is for someone who has the sensory modality around which something is designed.  The same is true with regard to any technology that is primarily focused on a given sense and where that sense is significantly impaired or absent for a given individual.  And all accessibility, if any is even possible (you can't make the profoundly deaf hear no matter what), is a workaround that is absent much of the information contained in the sensory modality being "worked around."  At best you have some sort of rough to very, very rough approximation.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated epub books and what to use to read them

Jeff Lukacsena <jlukacsena@...>
 

Hello Everyone,

I will be attending graduate school this fall. The access technology center mentioned that some of my books might be available in Epub. I have never used ePub books before. Can someone point me to the best places to find, and learn how to read these kinds of books.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Gene Warner
 

Maybe so but I had a couple of document scanners on my phone that did edge detection quite well despite the camera being handheld. You do know it is possible to hold still so the camera gets a steady image unless you have some kind of mobility issue.

Gene...

On 7/26/2022 4:32 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 04:05 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Except the Chase app won't let you use an already taken picture, it
has to be taken with the app
-
I don't know of a single mobile check deposit app that doesn't require the photo to be taken inside the app.  Banking apps value certain aspects of security that other apps do not because they don't have to. They want tight control over image source.
Apps that do edge detection generally are working with fixed cameras, that is, the camera itself cannot move when working with the thing being imaged.  That makes it quite easy, relatively speaking, to do edge detection.  By contrast, phones are handheld and subject to quite a bit of movement, which makes edge detection very difficult if you can't, literally, see what's in the image and stabilize the camera at the same time.
The use of a homemade rig essentially sets up precisely the same thing as a fixed camera and, provided you know where to place the check (or anything else, really, though dedicated rigs come into play based on the page size) you can get a consistent result pretty much each and every time.
--
Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: : Re: Using Slack

Gene Warner
 

Thank you!

Gene...

On 7/26/2022 4:28 PM, Don Mauck wrote:
It's away for groups to share message, files, have multiple Chats, ETC. You might look at it a little like Microsoft Teams.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Using Slack
Just out of curiosity, what is Slack, just point me to a web site.
Gene...
On 7/26/2022 4:17 PM, Don Mauck wrote:
I’ve been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there
really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application?
Every time I think something works the next day it doesn’t.

I’d love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good
experience.


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 04:05 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Except the Chase app won't let you use an already taken picture, it has to be taken with the app
-
I don't know of a single mobile check deposit app that doesn't require the photo to be taken inside the app.  Banking apps value certain aspects of security that other apps do not because they don't have to.  They want tight control over image source.

Apps that do edge detection generally are working with fixed cameras, that is, the camera itself cannot move when working with the thing being imaged.  That makes it quite easy, relatively speaking, to do edge detection.  By contrast, phones are handheld and subject to quite a bit of movement, which makes edge detection very difficult if you can't, literally, see what's in the image and stabilize the camera at the same time.

The use of a homemade rig essentially sets up precisely the same thing as a fixed camera and, provided you know where to place the check (or anything else, really, though dedicated rigs come into play based on the page size) you can get a consistent result pretty much each and every time.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Using Slack

Bill White
 

Hi, Gene. Try this website,

https://slack.com/help/articles/115004071768-What-is-Slack

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Slack

Just out of curiosity, what is Slack, just point me to a web site.

Gene...


On 7/26/2022 4:17 PM, Don Mauck wrote:
I’ve been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there
really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application? Every
time I think something works the next day it doesn’t.

I’d love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good
experience.


moderated Re: : Re: Using Slack

Don Mauck
 

It's away for groups to share message, files, have multiple Chats, ETC. You might look at it a little like Microsoft Teams.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Using Slack

Just out of curiosity, what is Slack, just point me to a web site.

Gene...


On 7/26/2022 4:17 PM, Don Mauck wrote:
I’ve been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there
really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application?
Every time I think something works the next day it doesn’t.

I’d love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good
experience.


moderated Re: Using Slack

Gene Warner
 

Just out of curiosity, what is Slack, just point me to a web site.

Gene...

On 7/26/2022 4:17 PM, Don Mauck wrote:
I’ve been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application? Every time I think something works the next day it doesn’t.
I’d love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good experience.


moderated Using Slack

Don Mauck
 

I’ve been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application? Every time I think something works the next day it doesn’t.

I’d love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good experience.