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moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene Warner
 

I got a response from Freedom Scientific about the installer voice. They said that because the installer voice was actual recordings taking them out reduced the size of the installer significantly. There was also the logistics involved in recording the messages in all the languages they supported.

Both reasons, installer size and the availability of Narrator, as reasons for taking the installer voice out make sense.

Gene...

On 7/28/2022 10:12 AM, Mike Pietruk wrote:
Gene
To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if it
was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers, would
have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who, quite
obviously, most are not exactly computer
sophisticated.


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

 

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 01:08 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
I tried that option but both of the credit unions in my area are not very accessible.
-
Also don't fail to look at accessibility via apps rather than websites.  I realize you may have already done this, but many people don't even give that option a thought, even when they're avid smartphone users.

I've been surprised at just how often the online banking apps for a given entity are accessible while their websites are incompletely so, sometimes quite incompletely so. 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

 

On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 01:06 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
. . . fraud department, then they transferred me, I was then told that my wait time would be 50 minutes, I waited . . . later I checked the time and realized that I had been waiting for two and a half hours and was still waiting for someone to answer the phone. That's not what I call good customer service!
-
Indeed.  And for anyone calling about fraud that's absolutely insane!  Fraudsters very often get most of their dirty work done between the time they get their hands on the card or card numbers they need and when the customer realizes something's up and calls to report fraud (though better banks do use algorithms to detect unusual charges, too).

But calls to fraud-reporting lines are generally handled with utmost speed, and that's for very good reason not only for the customer but for the bank.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Jaws updates

Larry Gassman
 

Yes.
Both for JAWS 2022.
One update in June, the other in July.
Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws updates

Were there two Jaws updates this month? Thought I updated earlier this month and got another yesterday.
Thanks


moderated Re: Jaws updates

Gene Warner
 

No, there was one late last month, the another one yesterday. Usually updates are two months apart.

Gene...

On 7/28/2022 1:09 PM, Don H wrote:
Were there two Jaws updates this month?  Thought I updated earlier this month and got another yesterday.
Thanks


moderated Jaws updates

Don H
 

Were there two Jaws updates this month? Thought I updated earlier this month and got another yesterday.
Thanks


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

K0LNY
 


Loans can be more competitive at a union bank as well.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay

For those who have the option, don't forget to consider your local credit unions.  At one time credit union membership was very restrictive, but the laws changed and many that were once only for "company employees" or similar are now community credit unions.  In my area, which once had a huge Dupont plant active in the area and where only Dupont employees could join, that credit union is now Dupont Community Credit Union and membership is geographically limited rather than employer limited.

I've personally found customer service much better at credit unions than at commercial banks.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Gene Warner
 

I tried that option but both of the credit unions in my area are not very accessible.

Gene...

On 7/28/2022 12:58 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
For those who have the option, don't forget to consider your local credit unions.  At one time credit union membership was very restrictive, but the laws changed and many that were once only for "company employees" or similar are now community credit unions.  In my area, which once had a huge Dupont plant active in the area and where only Dupont employees could join, that credit union is now Dupont Community Credit Union and membership is geographically limited rather than employer limited.
I've personally found customer service much better at credit unions than at commercial banks.
--
Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Gene Warner
 

I beg to differ on Chase's phone support, and that is the reason I am looking for a new bank. I recently had a problem with fraudulent charges appearing in my account through my debit card. I called the bank to deal with the problem, first I was told that my wait time would be 30 minutes, then 30 minutes or so later that person told me that they couldn't help me and that I needed to talk to their fraud department, then they transferred me, I was then told that my wait time would be 50 minutes, I waited and while I was waiting I played some games on my computer, later I checked the time and realized that I had been waiting for two and a half hours and was still waiting for someone to answer the phone. That's not what I call good customer service!

Gene...

On 7/28/2022 12:54 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
If trust is the issue, opening accounts at two banks only doubles the anxiety. It happens I do have accounts at both Chase and BofA. I find Chase's website needlessly complicated but manageable, while BofA's is simpler. However, BofA's phone customer service is terrible, while Chase's phone and on-location service is good.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay
Why not open accounts at both Chase and Bank of America and then try out their websites and iPhone apps? After a few months, close the account you like least.
Kelly
On 7/26/22, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:
I don't seem to trust my (an any other) bank to protect my account. e
issued a paper check to a grand daughter, not of a significant amount,
and she managed to cash it twice; and how many more times before we
caught the problem.  As long as the recipient hangs on to your check,
who's to say how many times they can cash it?

Howard


On 7/26/2022 3:05 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

Some aps are better than others at this. The Bank of America app for
iOS does a good jog of giving you directions and then automatically
snapping the pic when it’s right.  I was surprised to find that the
app for a local bank I’ve been evaluating did this as well.  I am
finding a few holes in it, but overall the app and web site designed
by Computer Services Inc. (CSI) seems to work pretty well. A tell may
be that when you go to online banking the web site address reads
yourbankname.mybanking.net.  One caveat though, the security lacks
true two-factor authentication.  As much as I want to perf local
business over mega corporations that don’t have my interests at
heart, this may ultimately be a deal breaker for me.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: bank on line bill pay

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 01:58 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

You have to take pictures of the front and back of the check.

-
Well, yes, as that's how any mobile banking app gets the data
necessary to deposit the check and to have the legally required
images (when the bank processes the checks normally they're scanned,
and images are saved).

When it comes to things like this, it's always easier to enlist
sighted assistance, once, to get a "photo rig" set up for your
smartphone.  I've done this on multiple occasions, and not just for
banking apps, so that the phone can be placed on top of the rig
(which is usually a small cardboard box, cut into what amounts to a
small table with an opening large enough for the smartphone's camera
to be able to take photos of items placed "on the floor" (table top
or desk top in reality) beneath the rig.  Once set up this tends to
work like a charm for as long as the rig remains viable.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

--
It's so convenient when you folks sign your messages with your name
(or even an alias). Then I don't have to close the message and look
through the headings to find the originator.






moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

 

For those who have the option, don't forget to consider your local credit unions.  At one time credit union membership was very restrictive, but the laws changed and many that were once only for "company employees" or similar are now community credit unions.  In my area, which once had a huge Dupont plant active in the area and where only Dupont employees could join, that credit union is now Dupont Community Credit Union and membership is geographically limited rather than employer limited.

I've personally found customer service much better at credit unions than at commercial banks.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Adrian Spratt
 

If trust is the issue, opening accounts at two banks only doubles the anxiety. It happens I do have accounts at both Chase and BofA. I find Chase's website needlessly complicated but manageable, while BofA's is simpler. However, BofA's phone customer service is terrible, while Chase's phone and on-location service is good.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay

Why not open accounts at both Chase and Bank of America and then try out their websites and iPhone apps? After a few months, close the account you like least.

Kelly



On 7/26/22, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:
I don't seem to trust my (an any other) bank to protect my account. e
issued a paper check to a grand daughter, not of a significant amount,
and she managed to cash it twice; and how many more times before we
caught the problem.  As long as the recipient hangs on to your check,
who's to say how many times they can cash it?

Howard


On 7/26/2022 3:05 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

Some aps are better than others at this. The Bank of America app for
iOS does a good jog of giving you directions and then automatically
snapping the pic when it’s right.  I was surprised to find that the
app for a local bank I’ve been evaluating did this as well.  I am
finding a few holes in it, but overall the app and web site designed
by Computer Services Inc. (CSI) seems to work pretty well. A tell may
be that when you go to online banking the web site address reads
yourbankname.mybanking.net.  One caveat though, the security lacks
true two-factor authentication.  As much as I want to perf local
business over mega corporations that don’t have my interests at
heart, this may ultimately be a deal breaker for me.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: bank on line bill pay

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 01:58 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

You have to take pictures of the front and back of the check.

-
Well, yes, as that's how any mobile banking app gets the data
necessary to deposit the check and to have the legally required
images (when the bank processes the checks normally they're scanned,
and images are saved).

When it comes to things like this, it's always easier to enlist
sighted assistance, once, to get a "photo rig" set up for your
smartphone.  I've done this on multiple occasions, and not just for
banking apps, so that the phone can be placed on top of the rig
(which is usually a small cardboard box, cut into what amounts to a
small table with an opening large enough for the smartphone's camera
to be able to take photos of items placed "on the floor" (table top
or desk top in reality) beneath the rig.  Once set up this tends to
work like a charm for as long as the rig remains viable.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

--
It's so convenient when you folks sign your messages with your name
(or even an alias). Then I don't have to close the message and look
through the headings to find the originator.






moderated Re: : Re: Using Slack

John Covici
 

Use it in the browser, you probably will have better luck.

On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 12:46:06 -0400,
Don Mauck wrote:

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Hi, I find it frustrating when using the CTRL+T or K for example. Slack used to just list your thread and you could activate which ever one you wished. Now you get one item then if you keep arrowing down expecting another thread, you the "didn't find what you expected" message and you then get told you have to type in specific search terms to find your thread.
What if I don't know what the thread is? Also, I find the UI in general very clunky to use and some of the keystrokes do not worked as advertised.
Note: This is the Desktop Application.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Using Slack

Hi. Slack user here. Also JAWS user. What problems are you having with the app?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: July 26, 2022 4:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Slack

I've been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application? Every time I think something works the next day it doesn't.
I'd love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good experience.






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How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Kelly Pierce
 

Why not open accounts at both Chase and Bank of America and then try
out their websites and iPhone apps? After a few months, close the
account you like least.

Kelly

On 7/26/22, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:
I don't seem to trust my (an any other) bank to protect my account. e
issued a paper check to a grand daughter, not of a significant amount,
and she managed to cash it twice; and how many more times before we
caught the problem.  As long as the recipient hangs on to your check,
who's to say how many times they can cash it?

Howard


On 7/26/2022 3:05 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

Some aps are better than others at this. The Bank of America app for
iOS does a good jog of giving you directions and then automatically
snapping the pic when it’s right.  I was surprised to find that the
app for a local bank I’ve been evaluating did this as well.  I am
finding a few holes in it, but overall the app and web site designed
by Computer Services Inc. (CSI) seems to work pretty well. A tell may
be that when you go to online banking the web site address reads
yourbankname.mybanking.net.  One caveat though, the security lacks
true two-factor authentication.  As much as I want to perf local
business over mega corporations that don’t have my interests at heart,
this may ultimately be a deal breaker for me.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: bank on line bill pay

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 01:58 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

You have to take pictures of the front and back of the check.

-
Well, yes, as that's how any mobile banking app gets the data
necessary to deposit the check and to have the legally required images
(when the bank processes the checks normally they're scanned, and
images are saved).

When it comes to things like this, it's always easier to enlist
sighted assistance, once, to get a "photo rig" set up for your
smartphone.  I've done this on multiple occasions, and not just for
banking apps, so that the phone can be placed on top of the rig (which
is usually a small cardboard box, cut into what amounts to a small
table with an opening large enough for the smartphone's camera to be
able to take photos of items placed "on the floor" (table top or desk
top in reality) beneath the rig.  Once set up this tends to work like
a charm for as long as the rig remains viable.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

--
It's so convenient when you folks sign your messages with your name (or even
an alias). Then I don't have to close the message and look through the
headings to find the originator.






moderated Re: : Re: Using Slack

Don Mauck
 

Hi, I find it frustrating when using the CTRL+T or K for example. Slack used to just list your thread and you could activate which ever one you wished. Now you get one item then if you keep arrowing down expecting another thread, you the “didn’t find what you expected” message and you then get told you have to type in specific search terms to find your thread.

What if I don’t know what the thread is? Also, I find the UI in general very clunky to use and some of the keystrokes do not worked as advertised.

Note:  This is the Desktop Application.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Using Slack

 

Hi. Slack user here. Also JAWS user. What problems are you having with the app?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: July 26, 2022 4:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Slack

 

I’ve been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application? Every time I think something works the next day it doesn’t.

I’d love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good experience.


moderated Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

Karen Reynolds
 

Hi Richard,

The tech here suggested the Asus. I don’t know if it is accessible. Perhaps someone else can say? We haven’t ordered ours yet.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Karen!

 

Wow, there are a lot of routers listed there!  Might you have a suggestion for one that is “best” and most accessible?  I do need one that is dual band.

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

You are welcome. I hope you can find one that works.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 12:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Thanks Karen!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Richard,

Here it is. You may need to choose the service you are getting to see what is compatible with their equipment.

 

https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/compliant-modems-spectrum-network

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 11:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Karen!

 

Soon, I am likely to get Spectrum cable Internet in California (Rancho Cucamonga).  I would probably have this same issue.  Could you please reply with the link to the Spectrum website where they list compatible routers?

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 6:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Dave,

We have that same issue with the router that came with Spectrum. The tech who came out suggested the Asus router that they list will work on their website with their equipment. You might want to find out which routers work with their equipment and then find out which one is accessible.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 4:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Glenn:

 

I forgot to mention, The EE router, does have a web interface but, as I said before, there are buttons which are not standard HTML buttons, which is why JAWS will not recognize them.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Dave,

I use a Linksys Smart router, but I don't use any Linksys software, I use the web interface, and I find that Internet Explorer works better than the three main browsers for router interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 3:08 PM

Subject: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hello everyone:

 

I need to set up port forwarding for a particular purpose. My ISP provider, is EE. The router's interface is mostly accessible. I was able to choose the device from the list, enter the start and end port forwarding addresses but, I could not find the button to press, which saves the new settings. I called EE and explained my problem. EE sent a technician to my home to try and help me set up the port forwarding function, which is when we discovered there were a couple of buttons on the port forwarding page which had been designed as graphics, which of course,no screen reader cannot speak.

 

Now, I am looking for a router, which has an interface, which is accessible using JAWS. Until 2014, when Annie and I moved to the UK, we always had Lynksys routers. Are the modern day Lynksys routers fully accessible using JAWS, if not, can any list members recommend a router, which is accessible, using JAWS.

 

Any suggestions, must contain both make and model numbers.

 

Thank you in anticipation for any and all suggestions.

 

Dave Durberr

 

 


moderated Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Karen!

 

Wow, there are a lot of routers listed there!  Might you have a suggestion for one that is “best” and most accessible?  I do need one that is dual band.

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

You are welcome. I hope you can find one that works.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 12:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Thanks Karen!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Richard,

Here it is. You may need to choose the service you are getting to see what is compatible with their equipment.

 

https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/compliant-modems-spectrum-network

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 11:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Karen!

 

Soon, I am likely to get Spectrum cable Internet in California (Rancho Cucamonga).  I would probably have this same issue.  Could you please reply with the link to the Spectrum website where they list compatible routers?

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 6:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Dave,

We have that same issue with the router that came with Spectrum. The tech who came out suggested the Asus router that they list will work on their website with their equipment. You might want to find out which routers work with their equipment and then find out which one is accessible.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 4:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Glenn:

 

I forgot to mention, The EE router, does have a web interface but, as I said before, there are buttons which are not standard HTML buttons, which is why JAWS will not recognize them.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Dave,

I use a Linksys Smart router, but I don't use any Linksys software, I use the web interface, and I find that Internet Explorer works better than the three main browsers for router interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 3:08 PM

Subject: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hello everyone:

 

I need to set up port forwarding for a particular purpose. My ISP provider, is EE. The router's interface is mostly accessible. I was able to choose the device from the list, enter the start and end port forwarding addresses but, I could not find the button to press, which saves the new settings. I called EE and explained my problem. EE sent a technician to my home to try and help me set up the port forwarding function, which is when we discovered there were a couple of buttons on the port forwarding page which had been designed as graphics, which of course,no screen reader cannot speak.

 

Now, I am looking for a router, which has an interface, which is accessible using JAWS. Until 2014, when Annie and I moved to the UK, we always had Lynksys routers. Are the modern day Lynksys routers fully accessible using JAWS, if not, can any list members recommend a router, which is accessible, using JAWS.

 

Any suggestions, must contain both make and model numbers.

 

Thank you in anticipation for any and all suggestions.

 

Dave Durberr

 

 


moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene Warner
 

I guess I don't understand, if it didn't matter to you, why even bother to chime into the conversation?

Gene...

On 7/28/2022 10:51 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
No, I said so what because it doesn't matter to me that the self-voicing feature has been removed.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?'
Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.

Do you have a problem with that?

Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.






















moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Michael Massey
 

No, I said so what because it doesn't matter to me that the self-voicing feature has been removed.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?'

Gene...


On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.

Do you have a problem with that?

Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.






















moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene Warner
 

You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?'

Gene...

On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.
Do you have a problem with that?
Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.













moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Michael Massey
 

No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.

Do you have a problem with that?

Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.