On 7/28/2022 10:12 AM, Mike Pietruk wrote:

Gene
To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if it
was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers, would
have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who, quite
obviously, most are not exactly computer
sophisticated.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws updates

Were there two Jaws updates this month? Thought I updated earlier this month and got another yesterday.
Thanks

On 7/28/2022 1:09 PM, Don H wrote:

Were there two Jaws updates this month?  Thought I updated earlier this month and got another yesterday.
Thanks

For those who have the option, don't forget to consider your local credit unions.  At one time credit union membership was very restrictive, but the laws changed and many that were once only for "company employees" or similar are now community credit unions.  In my area, which once had a huge Dupont plant active in the area and where only Dupont employees could join, that credit union is now Dupont Community Credit Union and membership is geographically limited rather than employer limited.

I've personally found customer service much better at credit unions than at commercial banks.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

On 7/28/2022 12:58 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

For those who have the option, don't forget to consider your local credit unions.  At one time credit union membership was very restrictive, but the laws changed and many that were once only for "company employees" or similar are now community credit unions.  In my area, which once had a huge Dupont plant active in the area and where only Dupont employees could join, that credit union is now Dupont Community Credit Union and membership is geographically limited rather than employer limited.
I've personally found customer service much better at credit unions than at commercial banks.
--
Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

On 7/28/2022 12:54 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:

If trust is the issue, opening accounts at two banks only doubles the anxiety. It happens I do have accounts at both Chase and BofA. I find Chase's website needlessly complicated but manageable, while BofA's is simpler. However, BofA's phone customer service is terrible, while Chase's phone and on-location service is good.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay
Why not open accounts at both Chase and Bank of America and then try out their websites and iPhone apps? After a few months, close the account you like least.
Kelly
On 7/26/22, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

I don't seem to trust my (an any other) bank to protect my account. e
issued a paper check to a grand daughter, not of a significant amount,
and she managed to cash it twice; and how many more times before we
caught the problem.  As long as the recipient hangs on to your check,
who's to say how many times they can cash it?

Howard


On 7/26/2022 3:05 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

Some aps are better than others at this. The Bank of America app for
iOS does a good jog of giving you directions and then automatically
snapping the pic when it’s right.  I was surprised to find that the
app for a local bank I’ve been evaluating did this as well.  I am
finding a few holes in it, but overall the app and web site designed
by Computer Services Inc. (CSI) seems to work pretty well. A tell may
be that when you go to online banking the web site address reads
yourbankname.mybanking.net.  One caveat though, the security lacks
true two-factor authentication.  As much as I want to perf local
business over mega corporations that don’t have my interests at
heart, this may ultimately be a deal breaker for me.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: bank on line bill pay

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 01:58 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

You have to take pictures of the front and back of the check.

-
Well, yes, as that's how any mobile banking app gets the data
necessary to deposit the check and to have the legally required
images (when the bank processes the checks normally they're scanned,
and images are saved).

When it comes to things like this, it's always easier to enlist
sighted assistance, once, to get a "photo rig" set up for your
smartphone.  I've done this on multiple occasions, and not just for
banking apps, so that the phone can be placed on top of the rig
(which is usually a small cardboard box, cut into what amounts to a
small table with an opening large enough for the smartphone's camera
to be able to take photos of items placed "on the floor" (table top
or desk top in reality) beneath the rig.  Once set up this tends to
work like a charm for as long as the rig remains viable.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

--
It's so convenient when you folks sign your messages with your name
(or even an alias). Then I don't have to close the message and look
through the headings to find the originator.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay

Why not open accounts at both Chase and Bank of America and then try out their websites and iPhone apps? After a few months, close the account you like least.

Kelly



On 7/26/22, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

I don't seem to trust my (an any other) bank to protect my account. e
issued a paper check to a grand daughter, not of a significant amount,
and she managed to cash it twice; and how many more times before we
caught the problem.  As long as the recipient hangs on to your check,
who's to say how many times they can cash it?

Howard


On 7/26/2022 3:05 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

Some aps are better than others at this. The Bank of America app for
iOS does a good jog of giving you directions and then automatically
snapping the pic when it’s right.  I was surprised to find that the
app for a local bank I’ve been evaluating did this as well.  I am
finding a few holes in it, but overall the app and web site designed
by Computer Services Inc. (CSI) seems to work pretty well. A tell may
be that when you go to online banking the web site address reads
yourbankname.mybanking.net.  One caveat though, the security lacks
true two-factor authentication.  As much as I want to perf local
business over mega corporations that don’t have my interests at
heart, this may ultimately be a deal breaker for me.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: bank on line bill pay

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 01:58 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

You have to take pictures of the front and back of the check.

-
Well, yes, as that's how any mobile banking app gets the data
necessary to deposit the check and to have the legally required
images (when the bank processes the checks normally they're scanned,
and images are saved).

When it comes to things like this, it's always easier to enlist
sighted assistance, once, to get a "photo rig" set up for your
smartphone.  I've done this on multiple occasions, and not just for
banking apps, so that the phone can be placed on top of the rig
(which is usually a small cardboard box, cut into what amounts to a
small table with an opening large enough for the smartphone's camera
to be able to take photos of items placed "on the floor" (table top
or desk top in reality) beneath the rig.  Once set up this tends to
work like a charm for as long as the rig remains viable.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

--
It's so convenient when you folks sign your messages with your name
(or even an alias). Then I don't have to close the message and look
through the headings to find the originator.

On 7/26/22, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:

I don't seem to trust my (an any other) bank to protect my account. e
issued a paper check to a grand daughter, not of a significant amount,
and she managed to cash it twice; and how many more times before we
caught the problem.  As long as the recipient hangs on to your check,
who's to say how many times they can cash it?

Howard


On 7/26/2022 3:05 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

Some aps are better than others at this. The Bank of America app for
iOS does a good jog of giving you directions and then automatically
snapping the pic when it’s right.  I was surprised to find that the
app for a local bank I’ve been evaluating did this as well.  I am
finding a few holes in it, but overall the app and web site designed
by Computer Services Inc. (CSI) seems to work pretty well. A tell may
be that when you go to online banking the web site address reads
yourbankname.mybanking.net.  One caveat though, the security lacks
true two-factor authentication.  As much as I want to perf local
business over mega corporations that don’t have my interests at heart,
this may ultimately be a deal breaker for me.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: bank on line bill pay

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 01:58 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

You have to take pictures of the front and back of the check.

-
Well, yes, as that's how any mobile banking app gets the data
necessary to deposit the check and to have the legally required images
(when the bank processes the checks normally they're scanned, and
images are saved).

When it comes to things like this, it's always easier to enlist
sighted assistance, once, to get a "photo rig" set up for your
smartphone.  I've done this on multiple occasions, and not just for
banking apps, so that the phone can be placed on top of the rig (which
is usually a small cardboard box, cut into what amounts to a small
table with an opening large enough for the smartphone's camera to be
able to take photos of items placed "on the floor" (table top or desk
top in reality) beneath the rig.  Once set up this tends to work like
a charm for as long as the rig remains viable.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

--
It's so convenient when you folks sign your messages with your name (or even
an alias). Then I don't have to close the message and look through the
headings to find the originator.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Karen!

 

Wow, there are a lot of routers listed there!  Might you have a suggestion for one that is “best” and most accessible?  I do need one that is dual band.

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

 

You are welcome. I hope you can find one that works.

 

Karen

 

 

 

Thanks Karen!

 

 

Hi Richard,

Here it is. You may need to choose the service you are getting to see what is compatible with their equipment.

 

https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/compliant-modems-spectrum-network

 

Karen

 

 

 

Hi Karen!

 

Soon, I am likely to get Spectrum cable Internet in California (Rancho Cucamonga).  I would probably have this same issue.  Could you please reply with the link to the Spectrum website where they list compatible routers?

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

 

Hi Dave,

We have that same issue with the router that came with Spectrum. The tech who came out suggested the Asus router that they list will work on their website with their equipment. You might want to find out which routers work with their equipment and then find out which one is accessible.

 

Karen

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Glenn / Lenny

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Dave,

I use a Linksys Smart router, but I don't use any Linksys software, I use the web interface, and I find that Internet Explorer works better than the three main browsers for router interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Durber

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 3:08 PM

Subject: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hello everyone:

 

I need to set up port forwarding for a particular purpose. My ISP provider, is EE. The router's interface is mostly accessible. I was able to choose the device from the list, enter the start and end port forwarding addresses but, I could not find the button to press, which saves the new settings. I called EE and explained my problem. EE sent a technician to my home to try and help me set up the port forwarding function, which is when we discovered there were a couple of buttons on the port forwarding page which had been designed as graphics, which of course,no screen reader cannot speak.

 

Now, I am looking for a router, which has an interface, which is accessible using JAWS. Until 2014, when Annie and I moved to the UK, we always had Lynksys routers. Are the modern day Lynksys routers fully accessible using JAWS, if not, can any list members recommend a router, which is accessible, using JAWS.

 

Any suggestions, must contain both make and model numbers.

 

Thank you in anticipation for any and all suggestions.

 

Dave Durberr

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

You are welcome. I hope you can find one that works.

 

Karen

 

 

 

Thanks Karen!

 

 

Hi Richard,

Here it is. You may need to choose the service you are getting to see what is compatible with their equipment.

 

https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/compliant-modems-spectrum-network

 

Karen

 

 

 

Hi Karen!

 

Soon, I am likely to get Spectrum cable Internet in California (Rancho Cucamonga).  I would probably have this same issue.  Could you please reply with the link to the Spectrum website where they list compatible routers?

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

 

Hi Dave,

We have that same issue with the router that came with Spectrum. The tech who came out suggested the Asus router that they list will work on their website with their equipment. You might want to find out which routers work with their equipment and then find out which one is accessible.

 

Karen

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Glenn / Lenny

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Dave,

I use a Linksys Smart router, but I don't use any Linksys software, I use the web interface, and I find that Internet Explorer works better than the three main browsers for router interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave Durber

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 3:08 PM

Subject: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hello everyone:

 

I need to set up port forwarding for a particular purpose. My ISP provider, is EE. The router's interface is mostly accessible. I was able to choose the device from the list, enter the start and end port forwarding addresses but, I could not find the button to press, which saves the new settings. I called EE and explained my problem. EE sent a technician to my home to try and help me set up the port forwarding function, which is when we discovered there were a couple of buttons on the port forwarding page which had been designed as graphics, which of course,no screen reader cannot speak.

 

Now, I am looking for a router, which has an interface, which is accessible using JAWS. Until 2014, when Annie and I moved to the UK, we always had Lynksys routers. Are the modern day Lynksys routers fully accessible using JAWS, if not, can any list members recommend a router, which is accessible, using JAWS.

 

Any suggestions, must contain both make and model numbers.

 

Thank you in anticipation for any and all suggestions.

 

Dave Durberr

 

 

On 7/28/2022 10:51 AM, Michael Massey wrote:

No, I said so what because it doesn't matter to me that the self-voicing feature has been removed.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?'
Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote:

No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.

Do you have a problem with that?

Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:

Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?'

Gene...


On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote:

No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.

Do you have a problem with that?

Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:

Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.

On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote:

No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.
Do you have a problem with that?
Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:

Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.

Do you have a problem with that?

Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:

Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.