What you’ve described, though I’m sure it reflects what you actually did, doesn’t seem to make sense.

The virtual cursor would be off for you to enter text, but not to read it on a webpage. If you move focus to the address bar, the virtual cursor will also not be on in that area. The virtual cursor being on or off doesn’t effect what text coems up. It does however affect what you can do with the keyboard.

Hi, 

What I did, was put the name of the restaurant, and then requested the phone number of it.  When I turned the virtual cursor off, and then tried it again,  the phone number came up.       

What’s interesting is that Albert seems to indicate that an expected behaviour has changed recently. I don’t know what that means.

On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 11:48 AM, JM Casey wrote:

Well, never really occurred to me to just type a phone number into the address bar before, but yeah, it works

-
Same here, on both counts.  I'm generally trying to look up a phone number rather than using one for a reverse look-up.

And my default search engine is not Google, but even with an alternative default search engine a phone number entered in the address bar (omnibar, really) followed by enter triggers a search using the search engine you have set as default.  Accuracy is much better if the phone number has punctuation than when it's a straight string of numbers with no separation between groupings.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

I get the feeling those guys at Vispero tech support are only up to working with anything that's very directly connected with JAWS. Anythign to do with Windows itself, or any other application, and it seems theyf all short. Of course this makes a certain amount of sense, but it *is* an integrated experience, so the people doing this should be able to extend themselves a little further in order to assist JAWS users.
Perhaps if they would go a little further, someone could tandem in to your system and see how the problem actaully manifests, rather than trying to reproduce it on their machines.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 20, 2022 01:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: problems with smart screen
I'll try Narrator next time as it is already installed. Assuming I even turn Smart Screen and file reputation based reputation on again.
First Vispero wants a key stroke by key stroke guide on how to reproduce the problem, and when I give it to them they tell me they can't reproduce it, and that's the end of it. They seem to think that if they don't see it, it doesn't exist and so isn't worth their time. That's why I never bother to contact them when I have a problem with JAWS, because I know what will happen, nothing.
Gene...
On 8/20/2022 12:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Hmm...what did Vispero tell you, anyway?
I use an old JAWS version myself and it still works fine, but I know the only thing I'd get from tech support from them is an insistence that I upgrade. Obviously that doesn't solve all problems. In any case, I can get away with this configuration because I do use nVDA as well, and sometimes even narrator.
It seems strange that such a simple seeming dialogue wouldn't work fine with any screen-reader, but here's a thought -- just run nVDA the next time you encounter the smart screen filter, and see if you can let the file through.
Honestly though I wouldn't waste my time with this windows feature. You've already got Windows Defender and if you're worrieda bouta f ile, you can run it through virus total or something. Having microsoft block thigns based on their 'reputation", the number of times download, or whatever, just seems like the kind of attempt to manage the user base that is making me want to switch to Linux before 2025.
Luckily though we can still turn these things off. For now.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 20, 2022 12:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: problems with smart screen

I wouldn't mind Smart Screen or reputation based protection if the
(foul
language) user interface worked and actually did what I wanted. As much as I don't like turning them off, I just did since either the user interface doesn't work, or JAWS support for it is broken.

It's a pity Vispero doesn't listen to it's customers. It always makes me wonder if I am getting my money's worth by keeping my SMAs up to date.

It also makes me wonder if I should just abandon JAWS and use either NVDA or Narrator instead.


Gene...


On 8/20/2022 11:35 AM, JM Casey wrote:

Hey Gene.

I just turned it off. Just seemed like another attempt by microsoft to micro-manage (hah) your computing experience. Perhaps it's more fair to say, an assumption that most users don't know what they are doing and will break thigns if not overly protected. And hey, I suppose that might at times be true.
Still, see what you can do with this. You can control it to an extent
using the settings in windows security, but not to a great extent.
Maybe this'll help

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/threat-protection/m
icrosoft-defender-smartscreen/microsoft-defender-smartscreen-set-indi
vidual-device


Do't know about jaws and the warning screen that pops up though. It seems like it's pretty straightforward and it should work, but I don't remember dealing with it as I think I just turned the whole thing off as soon as the first warning came up.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: August 20, 2022 10:07 AM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: problems with smart screen

Hi everyone!

I have been dealing with this problem for a long time and have never gotten any useful assistance from Vispero.

I just downloaded an audio game from Spoonbill Software, or tried to anyway. Then Smart Screen pops up and says that this file isn't downloaded very oftern and that it might harm my computer. I have downloaded games from Spoonbill in the past and never had any problems, So I tried to tell it to keep the file, but it still keeps throwing the warning and won't let me have the file, eventually I get a keep anyway button and click it but still it keeps complaining and I'm back at the keep button. And around and around I go never getting it to actually do as I keep telling it. I finally found a way around it by opening File explorrer, in the folder where I wanted the downloaded file I found an uncomfirmed download file, so I renamed it to the file I was downloading and exited Edge.

Has anyone ever figured out how to get Smart Screen to actually work? I am wondering if this is something that JAWS doesn't support very well and that is why I am having all this trouble.

Thanks!
Gene...

Hi, 

What I did, was put the name of the restaurant, and then requested the phone number of it.  When I turned the virtual cursor off, and then tried it again,  the phone number came up.       

What’s interesting is that Albert seems to indicate that an expected behaviour has changed recently. I don’t know what that means.

On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 11:48 AM, JM Casey wrote:

Well, never really occurred to me to just type a phone number into the address bar before, but yeah, it works

-
Same here, on both counts.  I'm generally trying to look up a phone number rather than using one for a reverse look-up.

And my default search engine is not Google, but even with an alternative default search engine a phone number entered in the address bar (omnibar, really) followed by enter triggers a search using the search engine you have set as default.  Accuracy is much better if the phone number has punctuation than when it's a straight string of numbers with no separation between groupings.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

What’s interesting is that Albert seems to indicate that an expected behaviour has changed recently. I don’t know what that means.

On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 11:48 AM, JM Casey wrote:

Well, never really occurred to me to just type a phone number into the address bar before, but yeah, it works

-
Same here, on both counts.  I'm generally trying to look up a phone number rather than using one for a reverse look-up.

And my default search engine is not Google, but even with an alternative default search engine a phone number entered in the address bar (omnibar, really) followed by enter triggers a search using the search engine you have set as default.  Accuracy is much better if the phone number has punctuation than when it's a straight string of numbers with no separation between groupings.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

Hmm...what did Vispero tell you, anyway?
I use an old JAWS version myself and it still works fine, but I know the only thing I'd get from tech support from them is an insistence that I upgrade. Obviously that doesn't solve all problems. In any case, I can get away with this configuration because I do use nVDA as well, and sometimes even narrator.
It seems strange that such a simple seeming dialogue wouldn't work fine with any screen-reader, but here's a thought -- just run nVDA the next time you encounter the smart screen filter, and see if you can let the file through.
Honestly though I wouldn't waste my time with this windows feature. You've already got Windows Defender and if you're worrieda bouta f ile, you can run it through virus total or something. Having microsoft block thigns based on their 'reputation", the number of times download, or whatever, just seems like the kind of attempt to manage the user base that is making me want to switch to Linux before 2025.
Luckily though we can still turn these things off. For now.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 20, 2022 12:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: problems with smart screen

I wouldn't mind Smart Screen or reputation based protection if the
(foul
language) user interface worked and actually did what I wanted. As much as I don't like turning them off, I just did since either the user interface doesn't work, or JAWS support for it is broken.

It's a pity Vispero doesn't listen to it's customers. It always makes me wonder if I am getting my money's worth by keeping my SMAs up to date.

It also makes me wonder if I should just abandon JAWS and use either NVDA or Narrator instead.


Gene...


On 8/20/2022 11:35 AM, JM Casey wrote:

Hey Gene.

I just turned it off. Just seemed like another attempt by microsoft to micro-manage (hah) your computing experience. Perhaps it's more fair to say, an assumption that most users don't know what they are doing and will break thigns if not overly protected. And hey, I suppose that might at times be true.
Still, see what you can do with this. You can control it to an extent
using the settings in windows security, but not to a great extent.
Maybe this'll help

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/threat-protection/m
icrosoft-defender-smartscreen/microsoft-defender-smartscreen-set-indi
vidual-device


Do't know about jaws and the warning screen that pops up though. It seems like it's pretty straightforward and it should work, but I don't remember dealing with it as I think I just turned the whole thing off as soon as the first warning came up.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: August 20, 2022 10:07 AM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: problems with smart screen

Hi everyone!

I have been dealing with this problem for a long time and have never gotten any useful assistance from Vispero.

I just downloaded an audio game from Spoonbill Software, or tried to anyway. Then Smart Screen pops up and says that this file isn't downloaded very oftern and that it might harm my computer. I have downloaded games from Spoonbill in the past and never had any problems, So I tried to tell it to keep the file, but it still keeps throwing the warning and won't let me have the file, eventually I get a keep anyway button and click it but still it keeps complaining and I'm back at the keep button. And around and around I go never getting it to actually do as I keep telling it. I finally found a way around it by opening File explorrer, in the folder where I wanted the downloaded file I found an uncomfirmed download file, so I renamed it to the file I was downloading and exited Edge.

Has anyone ever figured out how to get Smart Screen to actually work? I am wondering if this is something that JAWS doesn't support very well and that is why I am having all this trouble.

Thanks!
Gene...

Hmm...what did Vispero tell you, anyway?
I use an old JAWS version myself and it still works fine, but I know the only thing I'd get from tech support from them is an insistence that I upgrade. Obviously that doesn't solve all problems. In any case, I can get away with this configuration because I do use nVDA as well, and sometimes even narrator.
It seems strange that such a simple seeming dialogue wouldn't work fine with any screen-reader, but here's a thought -- just run nVDA the next time you encounter the smart screen filter, and see if you can let the file through.
Honestly though I wouldn't waste my time with this windows feature. You've already got Windows Defender and if you're worrieda bouta f ile, you can run it through virus total or something. Having microsoft block thigns based on their 'reputation", the number of times download, or whatever, just seems like the kind of attempt to manage the user base that is making me want to switch to Linux before 2025.
Luckily though we can still turn these things off. For now.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 20, 2022 12:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: problems with smart screen
I wouldn't mind Smart Screen or reputation based protection if the (foul
language) user interface worked and actually did what I wanted. As much as I don't like turning them off, I just did since either the user interface doesn't work, or JAWS support for it is broken.
It's a pity Vispero doesn't listen to it's customers. It always makes me wonder if I am getting my money's worth by keeping my SMAs up to date.
It also makes me wonder if I should just abandon JAWS and use either NVDA or Narrator instead.
Gene...
On 8/20/2022 11:35 AM, JM Casey wrote:

Hey Gene.

I just turned it off. Just seemed like another attempt by microsoft to micro-manage (hah) your computing experience. Perhaps it's more fair to say, an assumption that most users don't know what they are doing and will break thigns if not overly protected. And hey, I suppose that might at times be true.
Still, see what you can do with this. You can control it to an extent using the settings in windows security, but not to a great extent. Maybe this'll help

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/threat-protection/microsoft-defender-smartscreen/microsoft-defender-smartscreen-set-individual-device


Do't know about jaws and the warning screen that pops up though. It seems like it's pretty straightforward and it should work, but I don't remember dealing with it as I think I just turned the whole thing off as soon as the first warning came up.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 20, 2022 10:07 AM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: problems with smart screen

Hi everyone!

I have been dealing with this problem for a long time and have never gotten any useful assistance from Vispero.

I just downloaded an audio game from Spoonbill Software, or tried to anyway. Then Smart Screen pops up and says that this file isn't downloaded very oftern and that it might harm my computer. I have downloaded games from Spoonbill in the past and never had any problems, So I tried to tell it to keep the file, but it still keeps throwing the warning and won't let me have the file, eventually I get a keep anyway button and click it but still it keeps complaining and I'm back at the keep button. And around and around I go never getting it to actually do as I keep telling it. I finally found a way around it by opening File explorrer, in the folder where I wanted the downloaded file I found an uncomfirmed download file, so I renamed it to the file I was downloading and exited Edge.

Has anyone ever figured out how to get Smart Screen to actually work? I am wondering if this is something that JAWS doesn't support very well and that is why I am having all this trouble.

Thanks!
Gene...

Good morning too all of you on list,



I'm writing too ask, if anyone else is experiencing this problem with
using
the Google Chrome browser. Running the latest version of Jaws, and the
most recent updates on both mine, and my girlfriends computer, of windows
10, It seems that if the both of us type a particular phone number of a
restaurant that we would like too go to, The phone number of this
particular restaurant either doesn't show up in the address bar. We both
even tried typing in the address bar for our library for the blinds phone
number and the phone number doesn't show up their either, even though we
both know that phone number. We've both tried this experience with the
same results. Her internet service provider that she uses, is Verizon, and
my internet service provider is Spectrum. This problem started yesterday
morning, on both of our computers. My question too the list here, is, has
the google chrome browser changed, or did away with putting in phone
numbers, or has the Google Chrome browser changed the format of its home
page?



Thanks for any and all help, suggestions, and advice, on how this problem
might be resolved,



Al

On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 11:48 AM, JM Casey wrote:

Well, never really occurred to me to just type a phone number into the address bar before, but yeah, it works

-
Same here, on both counts.  I'm generally trying to look up a phone number rather than using one for a reverse look-up.

And my default search engine is not Google, but even with an alternative default search engine a phone number entered in the address bar (omnibar, really) followed by enter triggers a search using the search engine you have set as default.  Accuracy is much better if the phone number has punctuation than when it's a straight string of numbers with no separation between groupings.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

Good morning everyone, 

Regarding the message that I posted too this list earlier this morning,  I was just wondering if the Jaws virtual cursor should always be turned off, or should I leave it  on.   

Hey Gene.

I just turned it off. Just seemed like another attempt by microsoft to micro-manage (hah) your computing experience. Perhaps it's more fair to say, an assumption that most users don't know what they are doing and will break thigns if not overly protected. And hey, I suppose that might at times be true.
Still, see what you can do with this. You can control it to an extent using the settings in windows security, but not to a great extent. Maybe this'll help

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/threat-protection/microsoft-defender-smartscreen/microsoft-defender-smartscreen-set-individual-device


Do't know about jaws and the warning screen that pops up though. It seems like it's pretty straightforward and it should work, but I don't remember dealing with it as I think I just turned the whole thing off as soon as the first warning came up.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 20, 2022 10:07 AM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: problems with smart screen

Hi everyone!

I have been dealing with this problem for a long time and have never gotten any useful assistance from Vispero.

I just downloaded an audio game from Spoonbill Software, or tried to anyway. Then Smart Screen pops up and says that this file isn't downloaded very oftern and that it might harm my computer. I have downloaded games from Spoonbill in the past and never had any problems, So I tried to tell it to keep the file, but it still keeps throwing the warning and won't let me have the file, eventually I get a keep anyway button and click it but still it keeps complaining and I'm back at the keep button. And around and around I go never getting it to actually do as I keep telling it. I finally found a way around it by opening File explorrer, in the folder where I wanted the downloaded file I found an uncomfirmed download file, so I renamed it to the file I was downloading and exited Edge.

Has anyone ever figured out how to get Smart Screen to actually work? I am wondering if this is something that JAWS doesn't support very well and that is why I am having all this trouble.

Thanks!
Gene...

Hey Gene.
I just turned it off. Just seemed like another attempt by microsoft to micro-manage (hah) your computing experience. Perhaps it's more fair to say, an assumption that most users don't know what they are doing and will break thigns if not overly protected. And hey, I suppose that might at times be true.
Still, see what you can do with this. You can control it to an extent using the settings in windows security, but not to a great extent. Maybe this'll help
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/threat-protection/microsoft-defender-smartscreen/microsoft-defender-smartscreen-set-individual-device
Do't know about jaws and the warning screen that pops up though. It seems like it's pretty straightforward and it should work, but I don't remember dealing with it as I think I just turned the whole thing off as soon as the first warning came up.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 20, 2022 10:07 AM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: problems with smart screen
Hi everyone!
I have been dealing with this problem for a long time and have never gotten any useful assistance from Vispero.
I just downloaded an audio game from Spoonbill Software, or tried to anyway. Then Smart Screen pops up and says that this file isn't downloaded very oftern and that it might harm my computer. I have downloaded games from Spoonbill in the past and never had any problems, So I tried to tell it to keep the file, but it still keeps throwing the warning and won't let me have the file, eventually I get a keep anyway button and click it but still it keeps complaining and I'm back at the keep button. And around and around I go never getting it to actually do as I keep telling it. I finally found a way around it by opening File explorrer, in the folder where I wanted the downloaded file I found an uncomfirmed download file, so I renamed it to the file I was downloading and exited Edge.
Has anyone ever figured out how to get Smart Screen to actually work? I am wondering if this is something that JAWS doesn't support very well and that is why I am having all this trouble.
Thanks!
Gene...

Good morning too all of you on list, 

I’m writing too ask, if anyone else is experiencing this problem  with using the  Google Chrome browser. Running the latest version of Jaws, and   the most recent updates on both mine, and my girlfriends computer,  of windows 10,  It seems that if the both of us  type a particular phone number of a restaurant that we would like too go to,  The phone number of this particular restaurant either doesn’t show up in the address bar.  We both even tried typing in the address bar  for our library for the  blinds phone number  and the phone number doesn’t show up their either,  even though we both know that phone number.  We’ve both tried this  experience with   the same results.  Her internet service provider that she uses, is Verizon, and my internet service provider is Spectrum.  This problem started yesterday morning, on both of our computers.  My  question too the list here, is, has  the google chrome browser   changed, or did away with putting in phone numbers, or has the Google Chrome browser changed the format of its home page? 

Thanks for any and all help, suggestions, and advice,  on how this problem might be resolved, 

Al                          

here is the step to enable ot startup sound. click on start. in the
searchbox type control panel & click on sounds. Under this click on
the sounds tab & check the box to play startup sound. I am sorry, I
amnot really aware as to how to enable ot log off sound.



On 8/20/22, techsavi.shankar@... <techsavi.shankar@...> wrote:

Friends, greetings.

I was using the classic sounds on the windows ten device and after
upgrading
to the windows 11, I noticed that the logon and logoff events are missing
on
the program events on the settings panel.

Can some1 please help me to enable the logon sounds?