Hi TJ,

Although I was a DOS user before Windows came out, and got good with it, and also, I used the command-line in Windows a lot, I didn't get into Linux until there was the  Orca screenreader and an actual desktop.

I dare say that the Linux CLI is a sell to a DOS user, but most windows users would have to have a lot of motivation to go from a windows GUI to a Linux CLI.

I do use the CLI in Linux, but it is mainly for operations like the DD command, or updates, or installing programs, since those things in Linux are as easy as falling off a log.

But to get folks interested in Linux, I would it is best to direct them to using the computer in Linux as they do in windows first, and then, little by little, they can pick up some command-line commands.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: TJ McElroy gMail

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 7:14 PM

Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Hi,

I only use the terminal.

I do not have experience with 'VmWare'

I am pointing out that 'wsl' is an option to learn Linux

It will work with your current screen reader, it is free, easy to install and a great option to learn Linux.

TJ

On 10/8/2022 7:29 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



Does that now give the user the desktop, or just the terminal?

It may not be any better than installing VmWare, and installing the ISO to that.

With VmWare, you can also install not just Linux, but any version of Windows that your heart desires.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: TJ McElroy gMail

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 5:05 PM

Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Hi,

If you want to learn Linux
and are currently using Windows 10 or 11

you can install Windows Subsystem for Linux

** How to Install WSL 2 on Windows 10
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/how-to-install-wsl2-on-windows-10

"WSL 2 is a major upgrade over the
original version of WSL
 Microsoft introduced in 2017. More than a mere version bump, WSL 2 is faster, more versatile, and uses a real Linux kernel."

(You will need about 10 gig to install 'wsl2 and Ubuntu')
ubuntu - How Much Disk Space is WSL Using On Windows? - Super User
https://superuser.com/questions/1491270/how-much-disk-space-is-wsl-using-on-windows

Please read the above instructions, however it is as easy as:

" to install WSL 2 on Windows 10 OS Build 2004 or later you need to open the command prompt app with Administrator permissions, and enter the following command:

wsl.exe --install

As soon as you hit enter, the process automatically gets to work. It enables the WSL optional features required, fetches the latest WSL Linux kernel version,
and installs Ubuntu as your default distro"

Again please read the install instructions, there is a little setup of Ubuntu
that you will need to perform prior to being able to use it.

Once installed, you can put a link to Ubuntu  on your desktop or task bar and will be as easy to use as any other program

HTH,

On 10/8/2022 1:17 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I’d love to get into using Linux. I tried around 2009 using Ubuntu with Gnome, and Orca, the screen-reader, was crashing all the time. There was a weird hardware problem with the system, I think, which I never understood – so I’m hoping it was just a one-off and that an experience today might be better. Back then, I decided to just do a lot more stuff in console/command line – fine, except I was spending so much time trying to find and read the appropriate man pages that I just gave the computer to my sighted partner instead, who was happily using Linux for a year or so, and I went back to Windows exclusively.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 8, 2022 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Really, if people are just doing eMail, some audio and some web pages, it would be more like using windows 7 than using windows 10 is.

You still have the pull-down menus, no ribbons in Linux, and the desktop is like in windows.

-
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this, vehemently.

The similarities between the Linux UI and Window UI exist, but they're superficial and the differences in the ecosystems is immense.  Way more than the adjustment needed to go from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is required to become proficient with the Linux UI and the Linux OS as a whole.

Changing operating systems, as opposed to upgrading in the same stream, is not something to be undertaken lightly.

Some people have wanted to complain about the Ribbons interface rather than learn it, and it's here to stay under most OSes besides Linux.  And learning a new Office Suite is no minor undertaking, either.

Moving from Windows 7 to 10 or 11 is a piece of cake compared to switching to an entirely new ecosystem.  Most of what you ever knew about Windows, going all the way back to Windows 3.1, is still entirely applicable and transferable.
 
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore



Hi TJ,

Although I was a DOS user before Windows came out, and got good with it, and also, I used the command-line in Windows a lot, I didn't get into Linux until there was the  Orca screenreader and an actual desktop.

I dare say that the Linux CLI is a sell to a DOS user, but most windows users would have to have a lot of motivation to go from a windows GUI to a Linux CLI.

I do use the CLI in Linux, but it is mainly for operations like the DD command, or updates, or installing programs, since those things in Linux are as easy as falling off a log.

But to get folks interested in Linux, I would it is best to direct them to using the computer in Linux as they do in windows first, and then, little by little, they can pick up some command-line commands.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: TJ McElroy gMail

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 7:14 PM

Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Hi,

I only use the terminal.

I do not have experience with 'VmWare'

I am pointing out that 'wsl' is an option to learn Linux

It will work with your current screen reader, it is free, easy to install and a great option to learn Linux.

TJ

On 10/8/2022 7:29 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:



Does that now give the user the desktop, or just the terminal?

It may not be any better than installing VmWare, and installing the ISO to that.

With VmWare, you can also install not just Linux, but any version of Windows that your heart desires.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: TJ McElroy gMail

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 5:05 PM

Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Hi,

If you want to learn Linux
and are currently using Windows 10 or 11

you can install Windows Subsystem for Linux

** How to Install WSL 2 on Windows 10
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/how-to-install-wsl2-on-windows-10

"WSL 2 is a major upgrade over the
original version of WSL
 Microsoft introduced in 2017. More than a mere version bump, WSL 2 is faster, more versatile, and uses a real Linux kernel."

(You will need about 10 gig to install 'wsl2 and Ubuntu')
ubuntu - How Much Disk Space is WSL Using On Windows? - Super User
https://superuser.com/questions/1491270/how-much-disk-space-is-wsl-using-on-windows

Please read the above instructions, however it is as easy as:

" to install WSL 2 on Windows 10 OS Build 2004 or later you need to open the command prompt app with Administrator permissions, and enter the following command:

wsl.exe --install

As soon as you hit enter, the process automatically gets to work. It enables the WSL optional features required, fetches the latest WSL Linux kernel version,
and installs Ubuntu as your default distro"

Again please read the install instructions, there is a little setup of Ubuntu
that you will need to perform prior to being able to use it.

Once installed, you can put a link to Ubuntu  on your desktop or task bar and will be as easy to use as any other program

HTH,

On 10/8/2022 1:17 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I’d love to get into using Linux. I tried around 2009 using Ubuntu with Gnome, and Orca, the screen-reader, was crashing all the time. There was a weird hardware problem with the system, I think, which I never understood – so I’m hoping it was just a one-off and that an experience today might be better. Back then, I decided to just do a lot more stuff in console/command line – fine, except I was spending so much time trying to find and read the appropriate man pages that I just gave the computer to my sighted partner instead, who was happily using Linux for a year or so, and I went back to Windows exclusively.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 8, 2022 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Really, if people are just doing eMail, some audio and some web pages, it would be more like using windows 7 than using windows 10 is.

You still have the pull-down menus, no ribbons in Linux, and the desktop is like in windows.

-
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this, vehemently.

The similarities between the Linux UI and Window UI exist, but they're superficial and the differences in the ecosystems is immense.  Way more than the adjustment needed to go from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is required to become proficient with the Linux UI and the Linux OS as a whole.

Changing operating systems, as opposed to upgrading in the same stream, is not something to be undertaken lightly.

Some people have wanted to complain about the Ribbons interface rather than learn it, and it's here to stay under most OSes besides Linux.  And learning a new Office Suite is no minor undertaking, either.

Moving from Windows 7 to 10 or 11 is a piece of cake compared to switching to an entirely new ecosystem.  Most of what you ever knew about Windows, going all the way back to Windows 3.1, is still entirely applicable and transferable.
 
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore



Does that now give the user the desktop, or just the terminal?

It may not be any better than installing VmWare, and installing the ISO to that.

With VmWare, you can also install not just Linux, but any version of Windows that your heart desires.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: TJ McElroy gMail

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 5:05 PM

Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Hi,

If you want to learn Linux
and are currently using Windows 10 or 11

you can install Windows Subsystem for Linux

** How to Install WSL 2 on Windows 10
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/how-to-install-wsl2-on-windows-10

"WSL 2 is a major upgrade over the
original version of WSL
 Microsoft introduced in 2017. More than a mere version bump, WSL 2 is faster, more versatile, and uses a real Linux kernel."

(You will need about 10 gig to install 'wsl2 and Ubuntu')
ubuntu - How Much Disk Space is WSL Using On Windows? - Super User
https://superuser.com/questions/1491270/how-much-disk-space-is-wsl-using-on-windows

Please read the above instructions, however it is as easy as:

" to install WSL 2 on Windows 10 OS Build 2004 or later you need to open the command prompt app with Administrator permissions, and enter the following command:

wsl.exe --install

As soon as you hit enter, the process automatically gets to work. It enables the WSL optional features required, fetches the latest WSL Linux kernel version,
and installs Ubuntu as your default distro"

Again please read the install instructions, there is a little setup of Ubuntu
that you will need to perform prior to being able to use it.

Once installed, you can put a link to Ubuntu  on your desktop or task bar and will be as easy to use as any other program

HTH,

On 10/8/2022 1:17 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I’d love to get into using Linux. I tried around 2009 using Ubuntu with Gnome, and Orca, the screen-reader, was crashing all the time. There was a weird hardware problem with the system, I think, which I never understood – so I’m hoping it was just a one-off and that an experience today might be better. Back then, I decided to just do a lot more stuff in console/command line – fine, except I was spending so much time trying to find and read the appropriate man pages that I just gave the computer to my sighted partner instead, who was happily using Linux for a year or so, and I went back to Windows exclusively.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 8, 2022 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Really, if people are just doing eMail, some audio and some web pages, it would be more like using windows 7 than using windows 10 is.

You still have the pull-down menus, no ribbons in Linux, and the desktop is like in windows.

-
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this, vehemently.

The similarities between the Linux UI and Window UI exist, but they're superficial and the differences in the ecosystems is immense.  Way more than the adjustment needed to go from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is required to become proficient with the Linux UI and the Linux OS as a whole.

Changing operating systems, as opposed to upgrading in the same stream, is not something to be undertaken lightly.

Some people have wanted to complain about the Ribbons interface rather than learn it, and it's here to stay under most OSes besides Linux.  And learning a new Office Suite is no minor undertaking, either.

Moving from Windows 7 to 10 or 11 is a piece of cake compared to switching to an entirely new ecosystem.  Most of what you ever knew about Windows, going all the way back to Windows 3.1, is still entirely applicable and transferable.
 
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore



Does that now give the user the desktop, or just the terminal?

It may not be any better than installing VmWare, and installing the ISO to that.

With VmWare, you can also install not just Linux, but any version of Windows that your heart desires.

Glenn

 

----- Original Message -----

From: TJ McElroy gMail

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 5:05 PM

Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Hi,

If you want to learn Linux
and are currently using Windows 10 or 11

you can install Windows Subsystem for Linux

** How to Install WSL 2 on Windows 10
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/how-to-install-wsl2-on-windows-10

"WSL 2 is a major upgrade over the
original version of WSL
 Microsoft introduced in 2017. More than a mere version bump, WSL 2 is faster, more versatile, and uses a real Linux kernel."

(You will need about 10 gig to install 'wsl2 and Ubuntu')
ubuntu - How Much Disk Space is WSL Using On Windows? - Super User
https://superuser.com/questions/1491270/how-much-disk-space-is-wsl-using-on-windows

Please read the above instructions, however it is as easy as:

" to install WSL 2 on Windows 10 OS Build 2004 or later you need to open the command prompt app with Administrator permissions, and enter the following command:

wsl.exe --install

As soon as you hit enter, the process automatically gets to work. It enables the WSL optional features required, fetches the latest WSL Linux kernel version,
and installs Ubuntu as your default distro"

Again please read the install instructions, there is a little setup of Ubuntu
that you will need to perform prior to being able to use it.

Once installed, you can put a link to Ubuntu  on your desktop or task bar and will be as easy to use as any other program

HTH,

On 10/8/2022 1:17 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I’d love to get into using Linux. I tried around 2009 using Ubuntu with Gnome, and Orca, the screen-reader, was crashing all the time. There was a weird hardware problem with the system, I think, which I never understood – so I’m hoping it was just a one-off and that an experience today might be better. Back then, I decided to just do a lot more stuff in console/command line – fine, except I was spending so much time trying to find and read the appropriate man pages that I just gave the computer to my sighted partner instead, who was happily using Linux for a year or so, and I went back to Windows exclusively.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 8, 2022 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Really, if people are just doing eMail, some audio and some web pages, it would be more like using windows 7 than using windows 10 is.

You still have the pull-down menus, no ribbons in Linux, and the desktop is like in windows.

-
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this, vehemently.

The similarities between the Linux UI and Window UI exist, but they're superficial and the differences in the ecosystems is immense.  Way more than the adjustment needed to go from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is required to become proficient with the Linux UI and the Linux OS as a whole.

Changing operating systems, as opposed to upgrading in the same stream, is not something to be undertaken lightly.

Some people have wanted to complain about the Ribbons interface rather than learn it, and it's here to stay under most OSes besides Linux.  And learning a new Office Suite is no minor undertaking, either.

Moving from Windows 7 to 10 or 11 is a piece of cake compared to switching to an entirely new ecosystem.  Most of what you ever knew about Windows, going all the way back to Windows 3.1, is still entirely applicable and transferable.
 
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Does that [Microsoft Windows Subsystem for Linux 2 (WSL2)] now give the user the desktop, or just the terminal?

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

I’d love to get into using Linux. I tried around 2009 using Ubuntu with Gnome, and Orca, the screen-reader, was crashing all the time. There was a weird hardware problem with the system, I think, which I never understood – so I’m hoping it was just a one-off and that an experience today might be better. Back then, I decided to just do a lot more stuff in console/command line – fine, except I was spending so much time trying to find and read the appropriate man pages that I just gave the computer to my sighted partner instead, who was happily using Linux for a year or so, and I went back to Windows exclusively.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 8, 2022 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Really, if people are just doing eMail, some audio and some web pages, it would be more like using windows 7 than using windows 10 is.

You still have the pull-down menus, no ribbons in Linux, and the desktop is like in windows.

-
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this, vehemently.

The similarities between the Linux UI and Window UI exist, but they're superficial and the differences in the ecosystems is immense.  Way more than the adjustment needed to go from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is required to become proficient with the Linux UI and the Linux OS as a whole.

Changing operating systems, as opposed to upgrading in the same stream, is not something to be undertaken lightly.

Some people have wanted to complain about the Ribbons interface rather than learn it, and it's here to stay under most OSes besides Linux.  And learning a new Office Suite is no minor undertaking, either.

Moving from Windows 7 to 10 or 11 is a piece of cake compared to switching to an entirely new ecosystem.  Most of what you ever knew about Windows, going all the way back to Windows 3.1, is still entirely applicable and transferable.
 
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 05:23 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

The internal drives installed in the machine were brand new in may of 2021, so it's only been over a year since I've had this machine

-
That really doesn't matter.  The failure pattern for electronics do not follow the standard bell curve.  They are skewed early, and late in life, with a long flat period between that.  Admittedly, a year old is "late early," but it's still early.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

 

I’d love to get into using Linux. I tried around 2009 using Ubuntu with Gnome, and Orca, the screen-reader, was crashing all the time. There was a weird hardware problem with the system, I think, which I never understood – so I’m hoping it was just a one-off and that an experience today might be better. Back then, I decided to just do a lot more stuff in console/command line – fine, except I was spending so much time trying to find and read the appropriate man pages that I just gave the computer to my sighted partner instead, who was happily using Linux for a year or so, and I went back to Windows exclusively.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 8, 2022 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Really, if people are just doing eMail, some audio and some web pages, it would be more like using windows 7 than using windows 10 is.

You still have the pull-down menus, no ribbons in Linux, and the desktop is like in windows.

-
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this, vehemently.

The similarities between the Linux UI and Window UI exist, but they're superficial and the differences in the ecosystems is immense.  Way more than the adjustment needed to go from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is required to become proficient with the Linux UI and the Linux OS as a whole.

Changing operating systems, as opposed to upgrading in the same stream, is not something to be undertaken lightly.

Some people have wanted to complain about the Ribbons interface rather than learn it, and it's here to stay under most OSes besides Linux.  And learning a new Office Suite is no minor undertaking, either.

Moving from Windows 7 to 10 or 11 is a piece of cake compared to switching to an entirely new ecosystem.  Most of what you ever knew about Windows, going all the way back to Windows 3.1, is still entirely applicable and transferable.
 
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

On 10/08/2022 2:15 PM Karen Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...> wrote:

 

 

You should be able to get it through your disk manager.

 

You can also watch for errors to see what is going on. And, if they are several years old, and one is going, the other will go not long after that.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 4:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

 

I wonder if that can be found in the Bios. Maybe Markus could help with that as well. Or would he have to open up the tower to see that?

On 10/08/2022 1:50 PM Karen Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...> wrote:

 

 

They each have a different serial number.

 

Karen

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

 

Both solid state drives are 500 GB Western Digital Blue. I wouldn't be able to tell which is which, as both of them are the same model.

On 10/08/2022 1:25 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

 

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 03:24 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

How would you be able to tell when a solid state drive fails? I've only had this machine since 2021.

-
The easiest way is by running the diagnostic software for the specific SSD manufacturer.  They virtually all provide somesort of monitoring/diagnostic software.  You'd have to look in Disk Manager, and use the Properties, Hardware tab for the drive to determine its model number, then do a quick web search on that model number to get the manufacturer (that is if you don't already know which maker your SSD is from).  Then go to that maker's website, support, downloads and fetch their dedicated monitoring/diagnostic software.

But, if you have anything on your system that presents you with the drive's SMART data, have a quick look at that, as you'll generally get warnings based upon any parameter that's "outside normal limits."  CrystalDiskInfo is a third party utility that uses this, and other data from the drive, and when I have NVDA up when CrystalDiskInfo is active, the "status button" that tells me the overall health (good), drive temperature in degrees C, and the actual logical drives (C: and D: in my case) on the SSD is the first thing it lands on.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

 

 

On 10/08/2022 2:15 PM Karen Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...> wrote:

You should be able to get it through your disk manager.

You can also watch for errors to see what is going on. And, if they are several years old, and one is going, the other will go not long after that.

Karen

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 4:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

I wonder if that can be found in the Bios. Maybe Markus could help with that as well. Or would he have to open up the tower to see that?

On 10/08/2022 1:50 PM Karen Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...> wrote:

They each have a different serial number.

Karen

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

Both solid state drives are 500 GB Western Digital Blue. I wouldn't be able to tell which is which, as both of them are the same model.

On 10/08/2022 1:25 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 03:24 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

How would you be able to tell when a solid state drive fails? I've only had this machine since 2021.

-
The easiest way is by running the diagnostic software for the specific SSD manufacturer.  They virtually all provide somesort of monitoring/diagnostic software.  You'd have to look in Disk Manager, and use the Properties, Hardware tab for the drive to determine its model number, then do a quick web search on that model number to get the manufacturer (that is if you don't already know which maker your SSD is from).  Then go to that maker's website, support, downloads and fetch their dedicated monitoring/diagnostic software.

But, if you have anything on your system that presents you with the drive's SMART data, have a quick look at that, as you'll generally get warnings based upon any parameter that's "outside normal limits."  CrystalDiskInfo is a third party utility that uses this, and other data from the drive, and when I have NVDA up when CrystalDiskInfo is active, the "status button" that tells me the overall health (good), drive temperature in degrees C, and the actual logical drives (C: and D: in my case) on the SSD is the first thing it lands on.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

On 10/08/2022 1:56 PM HH. Smith Jr. <josham129@...> wrote:

Hi,

To piggyback on what Brian said, do you have any othr drive, i.e. USB external drive, plugged into your machine.  Your machine could be looking at that drive first, and not finding a operating system. Try unplugging them all, and reboot your machine and see what happens. I have seen where certain external drives wants and gets a desired drive letter; thereby causing conflict with other drives, including the main drive. Otherwise, I would have to concur with Brian.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 2:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Annabelle Susan Morison - Your Windows Woes

I decided to split this out into a topic of its own.  Too much is getting "shaken and stirred" on the originating topic.

Have you checked what the state of your system drive is?  And by that I mean using the utility of your choosing to look at SMART data and/or do a quick scan.

There is at least a decent chance that your system drive is in the process of failing, as that's one reason that you would be asked for Windows Media when attempting to boot.  The other could be a corrupt boot record, but I'd definitely suspect a drive that's on its way out first.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

On 10/08/2022 1:50 PM Karen Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...> wrote:

 

 

They each have a different serial number.

 

Karen

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

 

Both solid state drives are 500 GB Western Digital Blue. I wouldn't be able to tell which is which, as both of them are the same model.

On 10/08/2022 1:25 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

 

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 03:24 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

How would you be able to tell when a solid state drive fails? I've only had this machine since 2021.

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The easiest way is by running the diagnostic software for the specific SSD manufacturer.  They virtually all provide somesort of monitoring/diagnostic software.  You'd have to look in Disk Manager, and use the Properties, Hardware tab for the drive to determine its model number, then do a quick web search on that model number to get the manufacturer (that is if you don't already know which maker your SSD is from).  Then go to that maker's website, support, downloads and fetch their dedicated monitoring/diagnostic software.

But, if you have anything on your system that presents you with the drive's SMART data, have a quick look at that, as you'll generally get warnings based upon any parameter that's "outside normal limits."  CrystalDiskInfo is a third party utility that uses this, and other data from the drive, and when I have NVDA up when CrystalDiskInfo is active, the "status button" that tells me the overall health (good), drive temperature in degrees C, and the actual logical drives (C: and D: in my case) on the SSD is the first thing it lands on.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

 

I decided to split this out into a topic of its own.  Too much is getting "shaken and stirred" on the originating topic.

Have you checked what the state of your system drive is?  And by that I mean using the utility of your choosing to look at SMART data and/or do a quick scan.

There is at least a decent chance that your system drive is in the process of failing, as that's one reason that you would be asked for Windows Media when attempting to boot.  The other could be a corrupt boot record, but I'd definitely suspect a drive that's on its way out first.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

On 10/08/2022 1:50 PM Karen Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...> wrote:

They each have a different serial number.

Karen

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2022 4:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Annabelle - Your Windows Woes

Both solid state drives are 500 GB Western Digital Blue. I wouldn't be able to tell which is which, as both of them are the same model.

On 10/08/2022 1:25 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 03:24 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

How would you be able to tell when a solid state drive fails? I've only had this machine since 2021.

-
The easiest way is by running the diagnostic software for the specific SSD manufacturer.  They virtually all provide somesort of monitoring/diagnostic software.  You'd have to look in Disk Manager, and use the Properties, Hardware tab for the drive to determine its model number, then do a quick web search on that model number to get the manufacturer (that is if you don't already know which maker your SSD is from).  Then go to that maker's website, support, downloads and fetch their dedicated monitoring/diagnostic software.

But, if you have anything on your system that presents you with the drive's SMART data, have a quick look at that, as you'll generally get warnings based upon any parameter that's "outside normal limits."  CrystalDiskInfo is a third party utility that uses this, and other data from the drive, and when I have NVDA up when CrystalDiskInfo is active, the "status button" that tells me the overall health (good), drive temperature in degrees C, and the actual logical drives (C: and D: in my case) on the SSD is the first thing it lands on.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore

On 10/08/2022 1:25 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

 

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 03:24 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:

How would you be able to tell when a solid state drive fails? I've only had this machine since 2021.

-
The easiest way is by running the diagnostic software for the specific SSD manufacturer.  They virtually all provide somesort of monitoring/diagnostic software.  You'd have to look in Disk Manager, and use the Properties, Hardware tab for the drive to determine its model number, then do a quick web search on that model number to get the manufacturer (that is if you don't already know which maker your SSD is from).  Then go to that maker's website, support, downloads and fetch their dedicated monitoring/diagnostic software.

But, if you have anything on your system that presents you with the drive's SMART data, have a quick look at that, as you'll generally get warnings based upon any parameter that's "outside normal limits."  CrystalDiskInfo is a third party utility that uses this, and other data from the drive, and when I have NVDA up when CrystalDiskInfo is active, the "status button" that tells me the overall health (good), drive temperature in degrees C, and the actual logical drives (C: and D: in my case) on the SSD is the first thing it lands on.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore