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moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Sharon
 

QRead will still read epub but I don’t know when it will stop working on the latest windows.

It works using windows 10.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Lukacsena
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 4:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: epub books and what to use to read them

 

Hello Everyone,

I will be attending graduate school this fall. The access technology center mentioned that some of my books might be available in Epub. I have never used ePub books before. Can someone point me to the best places to find, and learn how to read these kinds of books.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 04:36 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
You do know it is possible to hold still so the camera gets a steady image unless you have some kind of mobility issue.
-
Of course I do.  But what you are not accounting for is that you generally have to be able to see the target to be able to do this with any ease with a handheld camera.  And I can tell you that even as someone who sees, this can still be finicky.

To me, accessibility is about coming up with a way that works to get the desired result, and does so consistently.  Very often that means using compensatory strategies.
 
Things that rely on vision as a primary part of using them, and handheld cameras of any sort fall into this category, are going to prove challenging for those who have significant visual impairment or are blind.  It's never going to be even close in ease of use as it is for someone who has the sensory modality around which something is designed.  The same is true with regard to any technology that is primarily focused on a given sense and where that sense is significantly impaired or absent for a given individual.  And all accessibility, if any is even possible (you can't make the profoundly deaf hear no matter what), is a workaround that is absent much of the information contained in the sensory modality being "worked around."  At best you have some sort of rough to very, very rough approximation.
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     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated epub books and what to use to read them

Jeff Lukacsena <jlukacsena@...>
 

Hello Everyone,

I will be attending graduate school this fall. The access technology center mentioned that some of my books might be available in Epub. I have never used ePub books before. Can someone point me to the best places to find, and learn how to read these kinds of books.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Gene Warner
 

Maybe so but I had a couple of document scanners on my phone that did edge detection quite well despite the camera being handheld. You do know it is possible to hold still so the camera gets a steady image unless you have some kind of mobility issue.

Gene...

On 7/26/2022 4:32 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 04:05 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Except the Chase app won't let you use an already taken picture, it
has to be taken with the app
-
I don't know of a single mobile check deposit app that doesn't require the photo to be taken inside the app.  Banking apps value certain aspects of security that other apps do not because they don't have to. They want tight control over image source.
Apps that do edge detection generally are working with fixed cameras, that is, the camera itself cannot move when working with the thing being imaged.  That makes it quite easy, relatively speaking, to do edge detection.  By contrast, phones are handheld and subject to quite a bit of movement, which makes edge detection very difficult if you can't, literally, see what's in the image and stabilize the camera at the same time.
The use of a homemade rig essentially sets up precisely the same thing as a fixed camera and, provided you know where to place the check (or anything else, really, though dedicated rigs come into play based on the page size) you can get a consistent result pretty much each and every time.
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*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: : Re: Using Slack

Gene Warner
 

Thank you!

Gene...

On 7/26/2022 4:28 PM, Don Mauck wrote:
It's away for groups to share message, files, have multiple Chats, ETC. You might look at it a little like Microsoft Teams.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Using Slack
Just out of curiosity, what is Slack, just point me to a web site.
Gene...
On 7/26/2022 4:17 PM, Don Mauck wrote:
I’ve been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there
really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application?
Every time I think something works the next day it doesn’t.

I’d love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good
experience.


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 04:05 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Except the Chase app won't let you use an already taken picture, it has to be taken with the app
-
I don't know of a single mobile check deposit app that doesn't require the photo to be taken inside the app.  Banking apps value certain aspects of security that other apps do not because they don't have to.  They want tight control over image source.

Apps that do edge detection generally are working with fixed cameras, that is, the camera itself cannot move when working with the thing being imaged.  That makes it quite easy, relatively speaking, to do edge detection.  By contrast, phones are handheld and subject to quite a bit of movement, which makes edge detection very difficult if you can't, literally, see what's in the image and stabilize the camera at the same time.

The use of a homemade rig essentially sets up precisely the same thing as a fixed camera and, provided you know where to place the check (or anything else, really, though dedicated rigs come into play based on the page size) you can get a consistent result pretty much each and every time.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Using Slack

Bill White
 

Hi, Gene. Try this website,

https://slack.com/help/articles/115004071768-What-is-Slack

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 1:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Using Slack

Just out of curiosity, what is Slack, just point me to a web site.

Gene...


On 7/26/2022 4:17 PM, Don Mauck wrote:
I’ve been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there
really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application? Every
time I think something works the next day it doesn’t.

I’d love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good
experience.


moderated Re: : Re: Using Slack

Don Mauck
 

It's away for groups to share message, files, have multiple Chats, ETC. You might look at it a little like Microsoft Teams.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Using Slack

Just out of curiosity, what is Slack, just point me to a web site.

Gene...


On 7/26/2022 4:17 PM, Don Mauck wrote:
I’ve been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there
really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application?
Every time I think something works the next day it doesn’t.

I’d love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good
experience.


moderated Re: Using Slack

Gene Warner
 

Just out of curiosity, what is Slack, just point me to a web site.

Gene...

On 7/26/2022 4:17 PM, Don Mauck wrote:
I’ve been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application? Every time I think something works the next day it doesn’t.
I’d love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good experience.


moderated Using Slack

Don Mauck
 

I’ve been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application? Every time I think something works the next day it doesn’t.

I’d love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good experience.


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Gene Warner
 

Except the Chase app won't let you use an already taken picture, it has to be taken with the app and you can't do that with face time. I had several document scanners that would tell you if it couldn't see an edge, I simply think that if they were serious about accessibility, they would have their app do the same thing.

And regarding BoA, the other reason why I didn't like them is when all the other banks were offering PC banking (banking with financial management software like Quicken or Microsoft Money) at no charge, BoA charged $10 a month for it.

Gene...

On 7/26/2022 3:54 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Also, to add to what Brian mentioned, with sighted assistance in getting a usable picture of something, if you have an iPhone, you can face time a trusted contact and they can take a picture with your phone's rear camera, and they will have it on their phone, and they can then eMail it to you.
I have done this with my son.
There's probably a way to do this in Android, but I haven't done anything using the camera except be my eyes, and I don't think they have the ability to take a picture, and if they could, I don't think you would want a stranger taking pictures of such things.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: bank on line bill pay
On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 01:58 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
You have to take pictures of the front and back of the check.
-
Well, yes, as that's how any mobile banking app gets the data necessary to deposit the check and to have the legally required images (when the bank processes the checks normally they're scanned, and images are saved).
When it comes to things like this, it's always easier to enlist sighted assistance, once, to get a "photo rig" set up for your smartphone. I've done this on multiple occasions, and not just for banking apps, so that the phone can be placed on top of the rig (which is usually a small cardboard box, cut into what amounts to a small table with an opening large enough for the smartphone's camera to be able to take photos of items placed "on the floor" (table top or desk top in reality) beneath the rig.  Once set up this tends to work like a charm for as long as the rig remains viable.
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*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*   ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

K0LNY
 


Also, to add to what Brian mentioned, with sighted assistance in getting a usable picture of something, if you have an iPhone, you can face time a trusted contact and they can take a picture with your phone's rear camera, and they will have it on their phone, and they can then eMail it to you.
I have done this with my son.
There's probably a way to do this in Android, but I haven't done anything using the camera except be my eyes, and I don't think they have the ability to take a picture, and if they could, I don't think you would want a stranger taking pictures of such things.
Glenn 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 01:58 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
You have to take pictures of the front and back of the check.
-
Well, yes, as that's how any mobile banking app gets the data necessary to deposit the check and to have the legally required images (when the bank processes the checks normally they're scanned, and images are saved).

When it comes to things like this, it's always easier to enlist sighted assistance, once, to get a "photo rig" set up for your smartphone.  I've done this on multiple occasions, and not just for banking apps, so that the phone can be placed on top of the rig (which is usually a small cardboard box, cut into what amounts to a small table with an opening large enough for the smartphone's camera to be able to take photos of items placed "on the floor" (table top or desk top in reality) beneath the rig.  Once set up this tends to work like a charm for as long as the rig remains viable.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: getting jaws to pronounce the euros symbol.

 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 03:21 PM, Artur Räpp wrote:
Windows shortcut should be (US-English keyboard layout)
Right CTRL+left ALT+e
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I will repeat, this is NOT a Windows level shortcut.  It is a Microsoft Office Shortcut.  It will not work in Notepad, a web browser edit field, or any program that is not a part of the Microsoft Office suite of programs.  This is documented by Microsoft.

It this is working outside of Office then some sort of key remapping has already been performed and there are multiple ways to potentially achieve such a remapping.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: getting jaws to pronounce the euros symbol.

 

I haven't played with Keyboard Manager in PowerToys for ages, but it has vastly improved and allows you to either globally remap a key if you have need for something like the Euro symbol on a constant basis and never use, say, the tilde.  It also allows you to remap keys only when you're using a given application.

One word of warning is that this particular latest version of PowerToys is glacially slow to install, but is snappy to use when it's running.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: getting jaws to pronounce the euros symbol.

Artur Räpp
 

Hi,

Windows shortcut should be (US-English keyboard layout)
Right CTRL+left ALT+e
Only right CTRL and Left alt, no other combinations. That works here at least.

Artur

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 10:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting jaws to pronounce the euros symbol.

Even better!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting jaws to pronounce the euros symbol.

Since the Euro symbol is at the end of the list of 'e' symbols I prefer typing 'f' then up-arrow

On 7/26/22, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:
Absolutely, assuming the symbol is in the list. It happens that "Euros" is.
As Soronel says, press JAWS key+4 above the letters, then repeatedly
the letter "e" until Euros is verbalized.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting jaws to pronounce the euros symbol.

I prefer jaws+4 for the rare times I need special characters.

On 7/26/22, NFB Lab 4 <nfbsc.lab.4@...> wrote:
Try using your jaws key in the number line for to open up special
symbols then arrow down to euro you may be able to do the first never
let her navigation with the letter E.
On Jul 26, 2022, at 1:49 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

The problem here is that CTRL + ALT + E is not a Windows shortcut
for the Euro symbol, but it is a shortcut for same in MS-Word (or,
more accurately, in Office programs).

If you need to use the Euro symbol very frequently and you don't
have a keyboard with native support for the symbol, it makes sense
to use a key remapping utility like Microsoft PowerToys (it's one
among the
PowerToys) or SharpKeys to remap some seldom used or never used key
to the Euro Symbol.

It's also possible to generate it using ALT + [Number pad digits]
0128, but for a screen reader user that means quickly toggling on
Num Lock for the number pad which is not only a PITA, but will
almost certainly lead to a mess at some point when it isn't toggled
back off again and you start issuing typical screen reader commands
using the number pad in non-number mode.
--
Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test
to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re
alive, it isn’t.
~ Lauren Bacall





--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...










--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 01:58 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
You have to take pictures of the front and back of the check.
-
Well, yes, as that's how any mobile banking app gets the data necessary to deposit the check and to have the legally required images (when the bank processes the checks normally they're scanned, and images are saved).

When it comes to things like this, it's always easier to enlist sighted assistance, once, to get a "photo rig" set up for your smartphone.  I've done this on multiple occasions, and not just for banking apps, so that the phone can be placed on top of the rig (which is usually a small cardboard box, cut into what amounts to a small table with an opening large enough for the smartphone's camera to be able to take photos of items placed "on the floor" (table top or desk top in reality) beneath the rig.  Once set up this tends to work like a charm for as long as the rig remains viable.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: getting jaws to pronounce the euros symbol.

Adrian Spratt
 

Even better!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 3:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting jaws to pronounce the euros symbol.

Since the Euro symbol is at the end of the list of 'e' symbols I prefer typing 'f' then up-arrow

On 7/26/22, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:
Absolutely, assuming the symbol is in the list. It happens that "Euros" is.
As Soronel says, press JAWS key+4 above the letters, then repeatedly
the letter "e" until Euros is verbalized.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting jaws to pronounce the euros symbol.

I prefer jaws+4 for the rare times I need special characters.

On 7/26/22, NFB Lab 4 <nfbsc.lab.4@...> wrote:
Try using your jaws key in the number line for to open up special
symbols then arrow down to euro you may be able to do the first never
let her navigation with the letter E.
On Jul 26, 2022, at 1:49 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

The problem here is that CTRL + ALT + E is not a Windows shortcut
for the Euro symbol, but it is a shortcut for same in MS-Word (or,
more accurately, in Office programs).

If you need to use the Euro symbol very frequently and you don't
have a keyboard with native support for the symbol, it makes sense
to use a key remapping utility like Microsoft PowerToys (it's one
among the
PowerToys) or SharpKeys to remap some seldom used or never used key
to the Euro Symbol.

It's also possible to generate it using ALT + [Number pad digits]
0128, but for a screen reader user that means quickly toggling on
Num Lock for the number pad which is not only a PITA, but will
almost certainly lead to a mess at some point when it isn't toggled
back off again and you start issuing typical screen reader commands
using the number pad in non-number mode.
--
Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test
to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re
alive, it isn’t.
~ Lauren Bacall





--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...










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Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


moderated Re: getting jaws to pronounce the euros symbol.

Soronel Haetir
 

Since the Euro symbol is at the end of the list of 'e' symbols I
prefer typing 'f' then up-arrow

On 7/26/22, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote:
Absolutely, assuming the symbol is in the list. It happens that "Euros" is.
As Soronel says, press JAWS key+4 above the letters, then repeatedly the
letter "e" until Euros is verbalized.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting jaws to pronounce the euros symbol.

I prefer jaws+4 for the rare times I need special characters.

On 7/26/22, NFB Lab 4 <nfbsc.lab.4@...> wrote:
Try using your jaws key in the number line for to open up special
symbols then arrow down to euro you may be able to do the first never
let her navigation with the letter E.
On Jul 26, 2022, at 1:49 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

The problem here is that CTRL + ALT + E is not a Windows shortcut
for the Euro symbol, but it is a shortcut for same in MS-Word (or,
more accurately, in Office programs).

If you need to use the Euro symbol very frequently and you don't have
a keyboard with native support for the symbol, it makes sense to use
a key remapping utility like Microsoft PowerToys (it's one among the
PowerToys) or SharpKeys to remap some seldom used or never used key
to the Euro Symbol.

It's also possible to generate it using ALT + [Number pad digits]
0128, but for a screen reader user that means quickly toggling on Num
Lock for the number pad which is not only a PITA, but will almost
certainly lead to a mess at some point when it isn't toggled back off
again and you start issuing typical screen reader commands using the
number pad in non-number mode.
--
Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test
to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re
alive, it isn’t.
~ Lauren Bacall





--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...









--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


moderated Re: getting jaws to pronounce the euros symbol.

Adrian Spratt
 

Absolutely, assuming the symbol is in the list. It happens that "Euros" is. As Soronel says, press JAWS key+4 above the letters, then repeatedly the letter "e" until Euros is verbalized.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: getting jaws to pronounce the euros symbol.

I prefer jaws+4 for the rare times I need special characters.

On 7/26/22, NFB Lab 4 <nfbsc.lab.4@...> wrote:
Try using your jaws key in the number line for to open up special
symbols then arrow down to euro you may be able to do the first never
let her navigation with the letter E.
On Jul 26, 2022, at 1:49 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

The problem here is that CTRL + ALT + E is not a Windows shortcut
for the Euro symbol, but it is a shortcut for same in MS-Word (or,
more accurately, in Office programs).

If you need to use the Euro symbol very frequently and you don't have
a keyboard with native support for the symbol, it makes sense to use
a key remapping utility like Microsoft PowerToys (it's one among the
PowerToys) or SharpKeys to remap some seldom used or never used key
to the Euro Symbol.

It's also possible to generate it using ALT + [Number pad digits]
0128, but for a screen reader user that means quickly toggling on Num
Lock for the number pad which is not only a PITA, but will almost
certainly lead to a mess at some point when it isn't toggled back off
again and you start issuing typical screen reader commands using the
number pad in non-number mode.
--
Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test
to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re
alive, it isn’t.
~ Lauren Bacall





--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


moderated bank of america

Amir Shah
 

Hi you should try  the bank of America app. It is pretty good with accessibility.

You can pay your bills  on the app, and also you can sent money with no problem    

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