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moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Gene Warner
 

It scans your computer for installed software, then goes online to a database I'm guessing and notifies you if any of your software has updates available.

The program is mostly intuitive, but there are areas that could benefit from actual documentation.

Gene...

On 7/30/2022 8:35 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Wow, that does sound very lazy. Not even something pointing you to a regularly updated web page online?
What was Sumo supposed to do?
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 08:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them
And then there are developers who are so lazy that produce no documentation at all. KC Software is one of these, I bought their SUMo program and was very disappointed to learn that there wasn't a single word of documentation nor any help file either. :-(
Gene...
On 7/30/2022 8:21 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Ah good man.
Not enough people do.
Not ragging on anyone but I swear the traffic on these sortso f lists would be cut in at least half if people actually read docs.
Though of course, the quality fo documentation does vary.

BTW I spelled "calibre" wrong in my initial post -- it's "r e " at the end and not "e r".


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 08:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Thanks but you don't need to do that unless you are curious for your own reasons. I'll look at the documentation myself. I don't mind as I am one of those people who actually likes to read the instructions.

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 6:57 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Gene.
In a word, not on its own, but you can install a plugin to do this. Probably not a good topic for the list, but:
https://www.techradar.com/news/software/how-to-remove-ebook-drm-with-
c
alibre-1291960

I have not had great experiences with Calibre main programme and jAWS, but there is an add-on for nVDA. The conversion can be done from the command line, but I'm not sure about importing the plugin. There might be a way. I'll see if I can find anything int eh documentation.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 05:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Can this Caliber tool remove DRM from some ebooks like Kindle?

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 5:47 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I just use the Caliber command line tool to convert .epubs to text
files to dump onto my old braille display. It will work with
anything and also convert to just about any format you can think of.

Otherwise, Qread will read them on pC, but I don’t use it for much
nowadays. There’s also an MS word etension that will do the trick.
Web-based extensions too but I haven’t had much luck with those and
getting the text to actually read with a screen-reader.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Alan
Lemly
*Sent:* July 30, 2022 10:54 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Just be aware that if the ePub book in question has digital
protection also known as digital rights management, Voice Dream
Reader will not be able to access it. Otherwise Voice Dream is my
app of choice for reading ePub content.

Alan Lemly



On Jul 30, 2022, at 9:26 AM, David Kingsbury
<davidkingsbury77@... <mailto:davidkingsbury77@...>> wrote:

Hi all,
Voicedream Reader on the iPhone does a good job of navigating ePub
files marked up with headings.
David


















moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

JM Casey
 

Hi.
Yeah, I did respond to another post about Qread, but this was my response to Gene Warner's message where we were talking about documentation, and something called Sumo.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: July 30, 2022 10:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

I'm still using QRead with no issues on my machines. I' got the portable version running on my Google drive folders so I can have synchronicity for bookmarks and reading positions and whatnot. I know the dev's not actively working on it any more, but I mean... absent a few improvements here or there, like being able to highlight and inserting notes, the app's otherwise fine. Then again, at that point, it might as well be the Kindle for PC app.
In any event, another app that people like to use and I've played around with is THORIUM READER: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/
It's accessible and makes an effort to be and stay screen reader accessible for all sorts of eBook file types.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2022 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Wow, that does sound very lazy. Not even something pointing you to a regularly updated web page online?
What was Sumo supposed to do?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 08:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

And then there are developers who are so lazy that produce no documentation at all. KC Software is one of these, I bought their SUMo program and was very disappointed to learn that there wasn't a single word of documentation nor any help file either. :-(

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 8:21 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Ah good man.
Not enough people do.
Not ragging on anyone but I swear the traffic on these sortso f lists would be cut in at least half if people actually read docs.
Though of course, the quality fo documentation does vary.

BTW I spelled "calibre" wrong in my initial post -- it's "r e " at the end and not "e r".


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 08:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Thanks but you don't need to do that unless you are curious for your own reasons. I'll look at the documentation myself. I don't mind as I am one of those people who actually likes to read the instructions.

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 6:57 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Gene.
In a word, not on its own, but you can install a plugin to do this. Probably not a good topic for the list, but:
https://www.techradar.com/news/software/how-to-remove-ebook-drm-with-
c
alibre-1291960

I have not had great experiences with Calibre main programme and jAWS, but there is an add-on for nVDA. The conversion can be done from the command line, but I'm not sure about importing the plugin. There might be a way. I'll see if I can find anything int eh documentation.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 05:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Can this Caliber tool remove DRM from some ebooks like Kindle?

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 5:47 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I just use the Caliber command line tool to convert .epubs to text
files to dump onto my old braille display. It will work with
anything and also convert to just about any format you can think of.

Otherwise, Qread will read them on pC, but I don’t use it for much
nowadays. There’s also an MS word etension that will do the trick.
Web-based extensions too but I haven’t had much luck with those and
getting the text to actually read with a screen-reader.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Alan
Lemly
*Sent:* July 30, 2022 10:54 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Just be aware that if the ePub book in question has digital
protection also known as digital rights management, Voice Dream
Reader will not be able to access it. Otherwise Voice Dream is my
app of choice for reading ePub content.

Alan Lemly



On Jul 30, 2022, at 9:26 AM, David Kingsbury
<davidkingsbury77@... <mailto:davidkingsbury77@...>> wrote:

Hi all,
Voicedream Reader on the iPhone does a good job of navigating ePub
files marked up with headings.
David


















moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Cristóbal
 

I'm still using QRead with no issues on my machines. I' got the portable version running on my Google drive folders so I can have synchronicity for bookmarks and reading positions and whatnot. I know the dev's not actively working on it any more, but I mean... absent a few improvements here or there, like being able to highlight and inserting notes, the app's otherwise fine. Then again, at that point, it might as well be the Kindle for PC app.
In any event, another app that people like to use and I've played around with is THORIUM READER: https://www.edrlab.org/software/thorium-reader/
It's accessible and makes an effort to be and stay screen reader accessible for all sorts of eBook file types.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2022 5:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Wow, that does sound very lazy. Not even something pointing you to a regularly updated web page online?
What was Sumo supposed to do?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 08:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

And then there are developers who are so lazy that produce no documentation at all. KC Software is one of these, I bought their SUMo program and was very disappointed to learn that there wasn't a single word of documentation nor any help file either. :-(

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 8:21 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Ah good man.
Not enough people do.
Not ragging on anyone but I swear the traffic on these sortso f lists would be cut in at least half if people actually read docs.
Though of course, the quality fo documentation does vary.

BTW I spelled "calibre" wrong in my initial post -- it's "r e " at the end and not "e r".


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 08:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Thanks but you don't need to do that unless you are curious for your own reasons. I'll look at the documentation myself. I don't mind as I am one of those people who actually likes to read the instructions.

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 6:57 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Gene.
In a word, not on its own, but you can install a plugin to do this. Probably not a good topic for the list, but:
https://www.techradar.com/news/software/how-to-remove-ebook-drm-with-
c
alibre-1291960

I have not had great experiences with Calibre main programme and jAWS, but there is an add-on for nVDA. The conversion can be done from the command line, but I'm not sure about importing the plugin. There might be a way. I'll see if I can find anything int eh documentation.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 05:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Can this Caliber tool remove DRM from some ebooks like Kindle?

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 5:47 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I just use the Caliber command line tool to convert .epubs to text
files to dump onto my old braille display. It will work with
anything and also convert to just about any format you can think of.

Otherwise, Qread will read them on pC, but I don’t use it for much
nowadays. There’s also an MS word etension that will do the trick.
Web-based extensions too but I haven’t had much luck with those and
getting the text to actually read with a screen-reader.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Alan
Lemly
*Sent:* July 30, 2022 10:54 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Just be aware that if the ePub book in question has digital
protection also known as digital rights management, Voice Dream
Reader will not be able to access it. Otherwise Voice Dream is my
app of choice for reading ePub content.

Alan Lemly



On Jul 30, 2022, at 9:26 AM, David Kingsbury
<davidkingsbury77@... <mailto:davidkingsbury77@...>> wrote:

Hi all,
Voicedream Reader on the iPhone does a good job of navigating ePub
files marked up with headings.
David


















moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

JM Casey
 

Wow, that does sound very lazy. Not even something pointing you to a regularly updated web page online?
What was Sumo supposed to do?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 08:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

And then there are developers who are so lazy that produce no documentation at all. KC Software is one of these, I bought their SUMo program and was very disappointed to learn that there wasn't a single word of documentation nor any help file either. :-(

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 8:21 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Ah good man.
Not enough people do.
Not ragging on anyone but I swear the traffic on these sortso f lists would be cut in at least half if people actually read docs.
Though of course, the quality fo documentation does vary.

BTW I spelled "calibre" wrong in my initial post -- it's "r e " at the end and not "e r".


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 08:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Thanks but you don't need to do that unless you are curious for your own reasons. I'll look at the documentation myself. I don't mind as I am one of those people who actually likes to read the instructions.

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 6:57 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Gene.
In a word, not on its own, but you can install a plugin to do this. Probably not a good topic for the list, but:
https://www.techradar.com/news/software/how-to-remove-ebook-drm-with-
c
alibre-1291960

I have not had great experiences with Calibre main programme and jAWS, but there is an add-on for nVDA. The conversion can be done from the command line, but I'm not sure about importing the plugin. There might be a way. I'll see if I can find anything int eh documentation.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 05:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Can this Caliber tool remove DRM from some ebooks like Kindle?

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 5:47 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I just use the Caliber command line tool to convert .epubs to text
files to dump onto my old braille display. It will work with
anything and also convert to just about any format you can think of.

Otherwise, Qread will read them on pC, but I don’t use it for much
nowadays. There’s also an MS word etension that will do the trick.
Web-based extensions too but I haven’t had much luck with those and
getting the text to actually read with a screen-reader.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Alan
Lemly
*Sent:* July 30, 2022 10:54 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Just be aware that if the ePub book in question has digital
protection also known as digital rights management, Voice Dream
Reader will not be able to access it. Otherwise Voice Dream is my
app of choice for reading ePub content.

Alan Lemly



On Jul 30, 2022, at 9:26 AM, David Kingsbury
<davidkingsbury77@... <mailto:davidkingsbury77@...>> wrote:

Hi all,
Voicedream Reader on the iPhone does a good job of navigating ePub
files marked up with headings.
David


















moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Gene Warner
 

And then there are developers who are so lazy that produce no documentation at all. KC Software is one of these, I bought their SUMo program and was very disappointed to learn that there wasn't a single word of documentation nor any help file either. :-(

Gene...

On 7/30/2022 8:21 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Ah good man.
Not enough people do.
Not ragging on anyone but I swear the traffic on these sortso f lists would be cut in at least half if people actually read docs.
Though of course, the quality fo documentation does vary.
BTW I spelled "calibre" wrong in my initial post -- it's "r e " at the end and not "e r".
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 08:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them
Thanks but you don't need to do that unless you are curious for your own reasons. I'll look at the documentation myself. I don't mind as I am one of those people who actually likes to read the instructions.
Gene...
On 7/30/2022 6:57 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Gene.
In a word, not on its own, but you can install a plugin to do this. Probably not a good topic for the list, but:
https://www.techradar.com/news/software/how-to-remove-ebook-drm-with-c
alibre-1291960

I have not had great experiences with Calibre main programme and jAWS, but there is an add-on for nVDA. The conversion can be done from the command line, but I'm not sure about importing the plugin. There might be a way. I'll see if I can find anything int eh documentation.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 05:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Can this Caliber tool remove DRM from some ebooks like Kindle?

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 5:47 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I just use the Caliber command line tool to convert .epubs to text
files to dump onto my old braille display. It will work with
anything and also convert to just about any format you can think of.

Otherwise, Qread will read them on pC, but I don’t use it for much
nowadays. There’s also an MS word etension that will do the trick.
Web-based extensions too but I haven’t had much luck with those and
getting the text to actually read with a screen-reader.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Alan
Lemly
*Sent:* July 30, 2022 10:54 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Just be aware that if the ePub book in question has digital
protection also known as digital rights management, Voice Dream
Reader will not be able to access it. Otherwise Voice Dream is my app
of choice for reading ePub content.

Alan Lemly



On Jul 30, 2022, at 9:26 AM, David Kingsbury
<davidkingsbury77@... <mailto:davidkingsbury77@...>> wrote:

Hi all,
Voicedream Reader on the iPhone does a good job of navigating ePub
files marked up with headings.
David










moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

JM Casey
 

Ah good man.
Not enough people do.
Not ragging on anyone but I swear the traffic on these sortso f lists would be cut in at least half if people actually read docs.
Though of course, the quality fo documentation does vary.

BTW I spelled "calibre" wrong in my initial post -- it's "r e " at the end and not "e r".

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 08:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Thanks but you don't need to do that unless you are curious for your own reasons. I'll look at the documentation myself. I don't mind as I am one of those people who actually likes to read the instructions.

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 6:57 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Gene.
In a word, not on its own, but you can install a plugin to do this. Probably not a good topic for the list, but:
https://www.techradar.com/news/software/how-to-remove-ebook-drm-with-c
alibre-1291960

I have not had great experiences with Calibre main programme and jAWS, but there is an add-on for nVDA. The conversion can be done from the command line, but I'm not sure about importing the plugin. There might be a way. I'll see if I can find anything int eh documentation.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 05:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Can this Caliber tool remove DRM from some ebooks like Kindle?

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 5:47 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I just use the Caliber command line tool to convert .epubs to text
files to dump onto my old braille display. It will work with
anything and also convert to just about any format you can think of.

Otherwise, Qread will read them on pC, but I don’t use it for much
nowadays. There’s also an MS word etension that will do the trick.
Web-based extensions too but I haven’t had much luck with those and
getting the text to actually read with a screen-reader.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Alan
Lemly
*Sent:* July 30, 2022 10:54 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Just be aware that if the ePub book in question has digital
protection also known as digital rights management, Voice Dream
Reader will not be able to access it. Otherwise Voice Dream is my app
of choice for reading ePub content.

Alan Lemly



On Jul 30, 2022, at 9:26 AM, David Kingsbury
<davidkingsbury77@... <mailto:davidkingsbury77@...>> wrote:

Hi all,
Voicedream Reader on the iPhone does a good job of navigating ePub
files marked up with headings.
David










moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Gene Warner
 

Thanks but you don't need to do that unless you are curious for your own reasons. I'll look at the documentation myself. I don't mind as I am one of those people who actually likes to read the instructions.

Gene...

On 7/30/2022 6:57 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Gene.
In a word, not on its own, but you can install a plugin to do this. Probably not a good topic for the list, but:
https://www.techradar.com/news/software/how-to-remove-ebook-drm-with-calibre-1291960
I have not had great experiences with Calibre main programme and jAWS, but there is an add-on for nVDA. The conversion can be done from the command line, but I'm not sure about importing the plugin. There might be a way. I'll see if I can find anything int eh documentation.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 05:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them
Can this Caliber tool remove DRM from some ebooks like Kindle?
Gene...
On 7/30/2022 5:47 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I just use the Caliber command line tool to convert .epubs to text
files to dump onto my old braille display. It will work with anything
and also convert to just about any format you can think of.

Otherwise, Qread will read them on pC, but I don’t use it for much
nowadays. There’s also an MS word etension that will do the trick.
Web-based extensions too but I haven’t had much luck with those and
getting the text to actually read with a screen-reader.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Alan
Lemly
*Sent:* July 30, 2022 10:54 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Just be aware that if the ePub book in question has digital protection
also known as digital rights management, Voice Dream Reader will not
be able to access it. Otherwise Voice Dream is my app of choice for
reading ePub content.

Alan Lemly



On Jul 30, 2022, at 9:26 AM, David Kingsbury
<davidkingsbury77@... <mailto:davidkingsbury77@...>> wrote:

Hi all,
Voicedream Reader on the iPhone does a good job of navigating ePub
files marked up with headings.
David


moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

JM Casey
 

Hi.

I use QRead too sometimes, but I don't think it's all that good. Mostly thought aht's because I want to read books on my braille display, and there just aren't any encoding options for file conversion.
I don’t' think the developer is updating it anymore. But there's no particular reason to create a version specifically for Windows 11, is there? Windows software is usually compatible across operating systems, with very few exceptions, and these are mostly because of technology like DirectX. I'm still using software here that I used on Windows XP with no problems,a nd that's how Windows is designed to work.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: July 28, 2022 06:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

I've placed QRead on numerous computers over the years. When I try to pay for it a second time, I get a message stating that I've already paid for it.
It will handle books with 2000 pages or more very very nicely.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

I use QRead and love it. I am certain the developer will offer a Windows 11 version shortly if he has not already. I have not heard the software was incompatible with windows 11. QRead is so good, I do not need hand holding and a diaper change from tech support. It just works great. Yes, he charges for it, and I am willing to pay money for quality software to be independent. I also pay for my own iPhone, mobile wireless service, and internet without expecting a free government hand out or to be a recipient of charitable services.
Christopher Toth is a talented blind programmer who I support, just like I support the developer of Lire and Weather Gods apps. Feel free to enjoy your mysterious free ePub software, which you did not name.

Kelly


Kelly



On 7/26/22, Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote:
It does, when I had an iPhone I'd get the iOS access for all book in
epub format and put it on my Victor Reader.

I have a BlindShell Classic 2 phone now and love it way more than I
ever liked any of the iPhones I've ever had.

Geene...


On 7/26/2022 8:02 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
I believe the Victor Stream reads them.
At 05:02 PM 7/26/2022, you wrote:
Well, if you are a user of emacs, it has a very nice epub reader
called nov.

On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 16:59:07 -0400,
Jeff Lukacsena wrote:

[1 <text/plain; us-ascii (quoted-printable)>] Hello Everyone,

I will be attending graduate school this fall. The access
technology
center
mentioned that some of my books might be available in Epub. I have
never
used ePub books before. Can someone point me to the best places to
find, and
learn how to read these kinds of books.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena








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moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

JM Casey
 

Hey Gene.
In a word, not on its own, but you can install a plugin to do this. Probably not a good topic for the list, but:
https://www.techradar.com/news/software/how-to-remove-ebook-drm-with-calibre-1291960

I have not had great experiences with Calibre main programme and jAWS, but there is an add-on for nVDA. The conversion can be done from the command line, but I'm not sure about importing the plugin. There might be a way. I'll see if I can find anything int eh documentation.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 30, 2022 05:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Can this Caliber tool remove DRM from some ebooks like Kindle?

Gene...


On 7/30/2022 5:47 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I just use the Caliber command line tool to convert .epubs to text
files to dump onto my old braille display. It will work with anything
and also convert to just about any format you can think of.

Otherwise, Qread will read them on pC, but I don’t use it for much
nowadays. There’s also an MS word etension that will do the trick.
Web-based extensions too but I haven’t had much luck with those and
getting the text to actually read with a screen-reader.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Alan
Lemly
*Sent:* July 30, 2022 10:54 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Just be aware that if the ePub book in question has digital protection
also known as digital rights management, Voice Dream Reader will not
be able to access it. Otherwise Voice Dream is my app of choice for
reading ePub content.

Alan Lemly



On Jul 30, 2022, at 9:26 AM, David Kingsbury
<davidkingsbury77@... <mailto:davidkingsbury77@...>> wrote:

Hi all,
Voicedream Reader on the iPhone does a good job of navigating ePub
files marked up with headings.
David


moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

Gene Warner
 

Can this Caliber tool remove DRM from some ebooks like Kindle?

Gene...

On 7/30/2022 5:47 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I just use the Caliber command line tool to convert .epubs to text files to  dump onto my old braille display. It will work with anything and also convert to just about any format you can think of.
Otherwise, Qread will read them on pC, but I don’t use it for much nowadays. There’s also an MS word etension that will do the trick. Web-based extensions too but I haven’t had much luck with those and getting the text to actually read with a screen-reader.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Alan Lemly
*Sent:* July 30, 2022 10:54 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: epub books and what to use to read them
Just be aware that if the ePub book in question has digital protection also known as digital rights management, Voice Dream Reader will not be able to access it. Otherwise Voice Dream is my app of choice for reading ePub content.
Alan Lemly
On Jul 30, 2022, at 9:26 AM, David Kingsbury
<davidkingsbury77@... <mailto:davidkingsbury77@...>> wrote:
Hi all,
Voicedream Reader on the iPhone does a good job of navigating ePub
files marked up with headings.
David


moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

JM Casey
 

I just use the Caliber command line tool to convert .epubs to text files to  dump onto my old braille display. It will work with anything and also convert to just about any format you can think of.

Otherwise, Qread will read them on pC, but I don’t use it for much nowadays. There’s also an MS word etension that will do the trick. Web-based extensions too but I haven’t had much luck with those and getting the text to actually read with a screen-reader.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: July 30, 2022 10:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: epub books and what to use to read them

 

Just be aware that if the ePub book in question has digital protection also known as digital rights management, Voice Dream Reader will not be able to access it. Otherwise Voice Dream is my app of choice for reading ePub content. 

 

Alan Lemly 

 



On Jul 30, 2022, at 9:26 AM, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Voicedream Reader on the iPhone does a good job of navigating ePub files marked up with headings.
David


moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

 

Just be aware that if the ePub book in question has digital protection also known as digital rights management, Voice Dream Reader will not be able to access it. Otherwise Voice Dream is my app of choice for reading ePub content. 

Alan Lemly 


On Jul 30, 2022, at 9:26 AM, David Kingsbury <davidkingsbury77@...> wrote:

Hi all,
Voicedream Reader on the iPhone does a good job of navigating ePub files marked up with headings.
David


moderated Re: epub books and what to use to read them

David Kingsbury
 

Hi all,
Voicedream Reader on the iPhone does a good job of navigating ePub files marked up with headings.
David


moderated Fix coming for Firefox Jaws problem.

Chris Hill
 

As of 104.0b3 the applications key seems to be working well again.

CH


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moderated Re: Paying bills on line: on line:

Mich Verrier
 

Yes I pay my bills on line how ever I agree with what you have said this is why Canada doesn't have things like cash app or things like that since we have e transfers. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Wood
Sent: July 29, 2022 12:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Paying bills on line: on line:

I'm still shocked America doesn't have such a thing as Canada, E-Transfers. I can navigate to my bank, enter someone's email or phone number and have the money sent directly through my bank without needing a third party solution such as the case with the United states. It's quick, easy and I've never had to pay an extra fee to do so.
I use pay pal, but there seems to be an extra fee for literally anything unless you're paying for goods and services. Sending this way means that the person you pay gets the fee deducted from their payout and the person who sends you the money can dispute it at any time. Friends and family, aka similar to E-transfer, incurs a fee of $3 USD (or more!)
I'd still rather have both of these solutions as a posed to paper check. I'd switch banks in a heartbeat if they were required.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 4:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Paying bills on line: on line:

Yeah, I read their accessibility statement and was impressed, I am
thinking of going with them for my new bank.

I noticed that TD Bank has an arrangement with Aira such that Aira
assistance is free if you are doing banking chores with them. I wonder
if that means you need Aira to do anything with them or if they are just
as committed to accessibility as Capital One is.

Gene...


On 7/28/2022 5:44 PM, Angel wrote:
One of my banking accounts is with Capital One; which is accessible
using Jaws. The bank makes a point of advertising this. PayPal is a
fine vehicle which can be used to pay friends and family for things.
Lack of adequate security is one of the reasons not to use paper checks
at all. Particularly in view of the fact their security can be so
easily compromised.

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moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Adrian Spratt
 

Robin,

I'd answer your question differently from the way you frame it. As the consumer/patient, I'd want to know which service a particular bill is for. The recipient, as you suggest, ought to know. Even if they don't, they'll have a running total of your total amounts due and will credit you as payments come in.

At Chase, where I have online payments set up, there's a line on the second page of the process where I can enter any details I wish. Here's where I'd indicate the service for which I'm paying. In fact, as I think about it, Chase enables me to include a note to the payee. So you can accomplish both, at least at Chase.

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 2:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay

Late to the party here, but have a question on bill pay. I was thinking of trying this with my bank. Till now, I either set up recurring payments directly with the vendor or handle the bill as it comes in. I was thinking about trying this for doctor's bills and such that come in periodically by mail. So, if I set up my doctor as a payee, what do you do to tell the doctor what the payment is for, especially if multiple family members are at the same doctor? I mean, I'd think they could figure it out, but the paper bills always have the portion you tear off and you are supposed to write the invoice or account number on the check you send in. So, have any of you paid a paper bill this way with online bill pay? Do you have AIRA or OCR software read you the information to populate the payee information on your bank's site? Then, Is there a way you notate what that payment is for when you press the Go button to pay? Just wondering if this would be easier than waiting for someone sighted to help me with paper bills. I don't get a lot, as many offices are going to online portals for payment.

Robin
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 4:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay

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I find it very convenient to set up as many of my bills for auto pay as I can on the condition that I be notified of the bill in advance of when it is paid. If they won't notify me in advance then I don't use auto pay for that biller.

Gene...


On 7/28/2022 5:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 05:31 PM, T. Civitello wrote:

Now the bills will go directly to your bank and they will send
payment to the payee and you are cut out of the loop till the end of
the month when you get a list on your monthly statement. Are all
banks now using this system?

-
No, and even those that do (one of mine does) give you the option to
use automatic payment (where they just pay whatever comes in) or to
follow the usual protocol where they notify you a bill has arrived,
and you must log in to pay it.

This is being driven as much by many billers as the banks. They've
found that payments often "slip through the cracks" when customers
have to log in to multiple sites to even see their bills then either
pay them from there or log out and then log in to their bank to pay them.

It's really quite convenient to centralize all bill paying in one
place and to have all of your electronic bills show up in your bank's
bill payer. You still choose whether payment is automatic or you must
authorize. It actually peeves me that one, and only one, of my
utility bills refuses to set up such that the bill goes to my bill
payer and I get notified that it's there for me to pay. I don't know
of a single bank that does "enforced automatic" or they'd lose
customers, as people could easily be bouncing the equivalent of checks
left and right if making payments is contingent on actual cash flow
(and it very often is). Many don't have tons of cash lying about in
their bank accounts that serves as a cushion and where no bill would
be larger than that cushion.
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moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Gene Warner
 

Unfortunately, it's still too common. The ADA needs to be updated to include web sites as public spaces that must meet accessibility standards.

Gene...

On 7/29/2022 3:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 12:21 PM, Tyler Wood wrote:
I Personally will never go back to paper as long as I am able.
-
Same here, and for many of the same reasons you've mentioned, but accessibility not being one of them in my specific case.
I have never been so happy as when I can eliminate paper of any kind and use e-delivery whether that's for bills, statements, etc., etc., etc. And in the case of e-delivery for bills, all I've ever encountered are either accessible in the preview mode supported by the online bill pay at the bank (or bill-paying site) or you can download the PDF equivalent of a paper statement, which is by its very nature more accessible as soon as it hits your computer than paper ever can be.   OCR is almost miraculously accurate these days, but it's still a step that can be avoided in a lot of cases.
Medical bills are one of the very few types that I still receive in paper form and with no option for e-delivery.  Most of those do either give you an online payment portal to go to where they can be paid via credit card and/or a QR code that will take you straight to the portal, with all information related to the bill already filled in and ready to go, where all you do is enter the payment information for that transaction.
I'm really coming to love mobile banking and its related analogs and just due to exactly when all these mobile apps came into being, accessibility is far more reliably "baked in" than it is for a lot of websites of older vintage (or even newer vintage where accessibility was just not considered though that's becoming somewhat less common).
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moderated Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

Karen Reynolds
 

Hi Richard,

I’ll do that. It might be a couple of months.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 11:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Karen!

 

OK.  Well, it sounds to me like you will be trying the Asus.  If and when you do, would you please let us know how it worked and exactly which model you got?

 

Many thanks!

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Richard,

The tech here suggested the Asus. I don’t know if it is accessible. Perhaps someone else can say? We haven’t ordered ours yet.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Karen!

 

Wow, there are a lot of routers listed there!  Might you have a suggestion for one that is “best” and most accessible?  I do need one that is dual band.

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

You are welcome. I hope you can find one that works.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 12:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Thanks Karen!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Richard,

Here it is. You may need to choose the service you are getting to see what is compatible with their equipment.

 

https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/compliant-modems-spectrum-network

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 11:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Karen!

 

Soon, I am likely to get Spectrum cable Internet in California (Rancho Cucamonga).  I would probably have this same issue.  Could you please reply with the link to the Spectrum website where they list compatible routers?

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 6:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Dave,

We have that same issue with the router that came with Spectrum. The tech who came out suggested the Asus router that they list will work on their website with their equipment. You might want to find out which routers work with their equipment and then find out which one is accessible.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 4:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Glenn:

 

I forgot to mention, The EE router, does have a web interface but, as I said before, there are buttons which are not standard HTML buttons, which is why JAWS will not recognize them.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Dave,

I use a Linksys Smart router, but I don't use any Linksys software, I use the web interface, and I find that Internet Explorer works better than the three main browsers for router interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 3:08 PM

Subject: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hello everyone:

 

I need to set up port forwarding for a particular purpose. My ISP provider, is EE. The router's interface is mostly accessible. I was able to choose the device from the list, enter the start and end port forwarding addresses but, I could not find the button to press, which saves the new settings. I called EE and explained my problem. EE sent a technician to my home to try and help me set up the port forwarding function, which is when we discovered there were a couple of buttons on the port forwarding page which had been designed as graphics, which of course,no screen reader cannot speak.

 

Now, I am looking for a router, which has an interface, which is accessible using JAWS. Until 2014, when Annie and I moved to the UK, we always had Lynksys routers. Are the modern day Lynksys routers fully accessible using JAWS, if not, can any list members recommend a router, which is accessible, using JAWS.

 

Any suggestions, must contain both make and model numbers.

 

Thank you in anticipation for any and all suggestions.

 

Dave Durberr

 

 


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Gene Warner
 

Chase works pretty much the same way.

Gene...

On 7/29/2022 3:00 PM, Lori Lynn wrote:
I currently use a small bank in Iowa, but I've done the same thing with a larger bank when I was paying my Aunt's bills. I type in the name of the payer, their address and phone, and account number. Once it has been entered it stays on the banks page. Then when I get a bill that I need to pay I enter the amount and select pay. Some of the payments my bank sends electronically, but others they print out a paper check and mail it. I decide what bills are paid this way and when. It's extremely easy and I don't have to get assistance from anyone during the process.
Lori Lynn
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2022 1:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay
Late to the party here, but have a question on bill pay. I was thinking of trying this with my bank. Till now, I either set up recurring payments directly with the vendor or handle the bill as it comes in. I was thinking about trying this for doctor's bills and such that come in periodically by mail. So, if I set up my doctor as a payee, what do you do to tell the doctor what the payment is for, especially if multiple family members are at the same doctor? I mean, I'd think they could figure it out, but the paper bills always have the portion you tear off and you are supposed to write the invoice or account number on the check you send in. So, have any of you paid a paper bill this way with online bill pay? Do you have AIRA or OCR software read you the information to populate the payee information on your bank's site? Then, Is there a way you notate what that payment is for when you press the Go button to pay? Just wondering if this would be easier than waiting for someone sighted to help me with paper bills. I don't get a lot, as many offices are going to online portals for payment.
Robin
I
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 4:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay
WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.
I find it very convenient to set up as many of my bills for auto pay as I can on the condition that I be notified of the bill in advance of when it is paid. If they won't notify me in advance then I don't use auto pay for that biller.
Gene...
On 7/28/2022 5:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 05:31 PM, T. Civitello wrote:

Now the bills will go directly to your bank and they will send
payment to the payee and you are cut out of the loop till the end of
the month when you get a list on your monthly statement. Are all
banks now using this system?

-
No, and even those that do (one of mine does) give you the option to
use automatic payment (where they just pay whatever comes in) or to
follow the usual protocol where they notify you a bill has arrived,
and you must log in to pay it.

This is being driven as much by many billers as the banks. They've
found that payments often "slip through the cracks" when customers
have to log in to multiple sites to even see their bills then either
pay them from there or log out and then log in to their bank to pay them.

It's really quite convenient to centralize all bill paying in one
place and to have all of your electronic bills show up in your bank's
bill payer. You still choose whether payment is automatic or you must
authorize. It actually peeves me that one, and only one, of my
utility bills refuses to set up such that the bill goes to my bill
payer and I get notified that it's there for me to pay. I don't know
of a single bank that does "enforced automatic" or they'd lose
customers, as people could easily be bouncing the equivalent of checks
left and right if making payments is contingent on actual cash flow
(and it very often is). Many don't have tons of cash lying about in
their bank accounts that serves as a cushion and where no bill would
be larger than that cushion.
--

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If you're alive, it isn't.
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