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moderated Re: GoToWebinar Access

Van Lant, Robin
 

Randy,
I went to one of these last week and was disappointed by the access getting logged in. I really thought it had been better in the past, not that I try to do much while in such a webinar session It's a little fuzzy in my memory, but I think my confusion was that it seemed like it was trying to install something and I wasn't sure if that was required or if I could just attend online. I think I ended up closing the window and trying again and eventually getting into the session. I'll pay attention if I do another one of these soon.

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Randy Meyer
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 3:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: GoToWebinar Access

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Does anyone have any tips or tricks for accessing GoToWebinar or GoToMeeting with Jaws?

I was able to get into a GoToWebinar today by using the Jaws cursor and clicking a random unlabeled button. Hopefully, there is a better way.

Randy Meyer








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moderated GoToWebinar Access

Randy Meyer
 

Does anyone have any tips or tricks for accessing GoToWebinar or GoToMeeting with Jaws?

I was able to get into a GoToWebinar today by using the Jaws cursor and clicking a random unlabeled button. Hopefully, there is a better way.

Randy Meyer


moderated Re: Going back one page in MS Edge

meow meow
 

this don't work on firefox too well
 

From: Milton Ota
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2022 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Going back one page in MS Edge

You should be able to use Alt + Left-Arrow to go back. That has not changed.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Yates
Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Going back one page in MS Edge

 

Using Win 11 and most recent JAWS.  How do I go back by page in Microsoft Edge?

Thanks for any help,

Dan


moderated Re: Strategies for getting your orientation in an application?

 

The font color grid is another good place to try grid navigation with arrows.  In the case of the font color grid, if you listen to what's announced in the "Theme Colors" section, you can pretty quickly figure out that this is arrayed in columns of a given color that these get either darker or lighter as you go down the column, depending on the column.  And this makes sense because things like black, when it's at the top, can't get darker, only lighter, white can't get lighter, only darker (grayer in this case).

And much as  I hate to say it, for the color selection the grid layout with those column styles makes way more sense than any menu system for it could.  Of course, that's because it's visual in nature to begin with and lets those who can see actually see the color "swatches" they'll be selecting or that are being described by what the screen reader has focus on at the moment.  If you're collaborating with someone, and text color is a part of how the document is formatted, it's really helpful for them to hear what the screen reader says, and make a not of it, for the colors being used.  That way they can clearly communicate about what color to assign something with someone who cannot actually see it, but can certainly go through the steps necessary to change the text color anyway.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

       ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019


moderated Re: Strategies for getting your orientation in an application?

 

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 01:56 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
are non-linear
-
I don't know if JAWS announces precisely the same thing, but when I land in those with NVDA it gives the control name and then "data grid."  Using the arrow keys, and you can stick with any one of them, always cycles through from wherever I might have initially landed circling back to that point when I've gone through all items in the grid. Tabbing moves you out of that data grid to the next control.

The easiest place to experiment with this is the Styles data grid in MS-Word.  Once you've traversed the data grid, if you tab, it will take you to the next style option which is to create a style sheet of your own.  If there were no additional settings in that category, you'd just move to the next control in the ribbon.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

       ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019


moderated Re: Strategies for getting your orientation in an application?

 

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 02:31 PM, Joe DiNero wrote:
When entering on the first link of your 2 tutorials, there is a 403 error.
-
Thanks.  Google did a recent security update that has really screwed things up with a large number of download links I've been distributing for years.  I just did a rollback on that update for that document.  It should work now.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

       ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019


moderated Re: Strategies for getting your orientation in an application?

Joe DiNero
 

Hi

 

When entering on the first link of your 2 tutorials, there is a 403 error.

 

Joe

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 1:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Strategies for getting your orientation in an application?

 

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 12:32 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:

I find that more difficult for programs using the ribbon but I still try.

-
If you have not already done so, please read Gene Asner's tutorial on using the ribbons, in which he also covers the Windows split button as a thing of its own:
Using Ribbons to Control Program Functions in Microsoft Windows - G. Asner

Then my two:
Using the Ribbon Interface in Windows via the Keyboard
Deeper Detail on the Ribbon Interface and Navigating It

Then Microsoft's own: Microsoft Support:  Use the Keyboard to Work with the Ribbon

The ribbons are menus, they are just navigated differently.  I don't like them as much as I liked the old menu system, but the old menu system was becoming unmanageable with submenu depth, and too much was completely hidden.  And, as you've noted, they're not going away and are the default UI for virtually all things Windows.

Once you get used to navigating the ribbon by command control groups, which is dirt simple once you've done it a couple of times, it starts to feel very "old menu like."  It's just the exact how you get where you're going that changes.

I encourage any user, blind or sighted, to create their own "Greatest Hits Cheat Sheet" for the direct keyboard shortcuts to the commands they use either constantly or frequently, which was even common practice during the menu era.  It's way faster to use those for what you do frequently, but having explored the all the ribbons in an application, as you used to do for all the menus in a program, lets you have something in the back of your head about having encountered something when you hit an occasion where you need it.

Things like Word have become so complex that the ribbons as a whole are not comprehensive in presenting each and every command.  There are some that are so obscure, and so infrequently used except by a select group of users, that you need to customize specific ribbons or even add one of the normally hidden ribbons.  Since I do work with creating fillable MS-Word templates for forms of various types I have the Developer tab/ribbon shown in the collection of tabs.  Many people who use Word will never encounter that ribbon because they don't ever have occasion to use it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

       ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019


moderated Re: JeffLukacsena:question on upgrading to Windows 11

Milton Ota
 

Jeff,

 

You will not loose any of your JAWS installations or settings.

 

Speech will be available via JAWS throughout the installation process.

 

Once the download and installation is complete you will be required to restart the computer or allow it to restart automatically. Speech from your JAWS will be available.

 

You will have to get used to the new Start Menu layout and the Taskbar.

 

You will want to unpin programs on your Taskbar from starting up as it tends to slow down the computer.

 

Your Desktop icons will all still be there and you will not notice any real difference from Windows 10.

 

I suggest that you take in the training videos that have been produced by Dan Clark, former employee of Freedom Scientific. He has produced about 11 short videos and also provides documentation which is basically the script he used to produce the videos. You can find the site at:

 

https://dsurf.net

 

Good luck.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Lukacsena
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 12:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: VICUG-L@...
Subject: JeffLukacsena:question on upgrading to Windows 11

 

Hello Lists,

I currently have a Lenovo laptop running Windows 10 64-bit. I have Jaws 2022 on it with a Focus 40 Braille display.

When I go to Windows update, it keeps asking me to upgrade to Windows 11.

I am wondering if anyone on either list has done this.

Were you able to do it successfully with no sighted assistance, or do you need sighted assistance.

Can you please provide some guidance.

When the Windows upgrad to Windows 11 runs, will it kick out the Jaws installation, ore will it remain.

I am just trying to figure this out.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 


moderated Re: Strategies for getting your orientation in an application?

Soronel Haetir
 

My problem with the ribbon is much more that they are non-linear (that
is sometimes they are 2 by x or sometimes even 3 by x blocks instead
of item after item). If they were always item after item I really
wouldn't have much of a problem with them. I do agree they aren't
going away.

However, I also disagree that large menus are much of a problem, just
as I actually liked old-style property sheets which presented all
related controls on individual pages rather than breaking out each
command into its own dialog sequence.

On 2/2/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 12:32 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:


I find that more difficult for programs using the ribbon but I still try.
-
If you have not already done so, please read Gene Asner's tutorial on using
the ribbons, in which he also covers the Windows split button as a thing of
its own:
Using Ribbons to Control Program Functions in Microsoft Windows - G. Asner (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1uTKhZZxWZ2QtF3KQgFCnO__gDdBKWmEn
)

Then my two:
Using the Ribbon Interface in Windows via the Keyboard (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B98uELZbPFnOTUI1dDhDaHpwTk0
)
Deeper Detail on the Ribbon Interface and Navigating It (
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=1kaM3GbWPo9MgqJlQzmcBpqLvsTmGjGOX
)

Then Microsoft's own: Microsoft Support:  Use the Keyboard to Work with the
Ribbon (
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/use-the-keyboard-to-work-with-the-ribbon-954cd3f7-2f77-4983-978d-c09b20e31f0e
)

The ribbons are menus, they are just navigated differently.  I don't like
them as much as I liked the old menu system, but the old menu system was
becoming unmanageable with submenu depth, and too much was completely
hidden.  And, as you've noted, they're not going away and are the default UI
for virtually all things Windows.

Once you get used to navigating the ribbon by command control groups, which
is dirt simple once you've done it a couple of times, it starts to feel very
"old menu like."  It's just the exact how you get where you're going that
changes.

I encourage any user, blind or sighted, to create their own "Greatest Hits
Cheat Sheet" for the direct keyboard shortcuts to the commands they use
either constantly or frequently, which was even common practice during the
menu era.  It's way faster to use those for what you do frequently, but
having explored the all the ribbons in an application, as you used to do for
all the menus in a program, lets you have something in the back of your head
about having encountered something when you hit an occasion where you need
it.

Things like Word have become so complex that the ribbons as a whole are not
comprehensive in presenting each and every command.  There are some that are
so obscure, and so infrequently used except by a select group of users, that
you need to customize specific ribbons or even add one of the normally
hidden ribbons.  Since I do work with creating fillable MS-Word templates
for forms of various types I have the Developer tab/ribbon shown in the
collection of tabs.  Many people who use Word will never encounter that
ribbon because they don't ever have occasion to use it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019





--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


moderated Re: JeffLukacsena:question on upgrading to Windows 11

 

I have never seen a Windows 10 to Windows 11 upgrade kick out any existing program or delete any user files.  It's also pretty much a kick it off, answer the couple of questions it asks you, then walk away sort of process.  When it's done, and if it succeeded, the machine will be sitting at the login screen like it did for Windows 10.

For any upgrade of this type, best practice is to take a full system image of your existing Windows 10 installation before initiating the upgrade.  It is very unlikely that you'll need it, at least unless you decide to go back to Windows 10 by recovering from it, but it's better to have this insurance policy on the very off chance that something goes catastrophically wrong with the upgrade.  I haven't seen any catastrophic upgrade failures, but there are sure to be at least a few of them that do occur, so better safe than sorry.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

       ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019


moderated Re: JeffLukacsena:question on upgrading to Windows 11

Madison Martin
 

Hi Jeff,

What you have sounds almost the same as what I have; I just upgraded on Sunday and even though it took awhile (over an hour) I was able to do it without any sighted assistance. Good luck and I hope that everything goes well!!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Lukacsena
Sent: February 2, 2022 12:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: VICUG-L@...
Subject: JeffLukacsena:question on upgrading to Windows 11

 

Hello Lists,

I currently have a Lenovo laptop running Windows 10 64-bit. I have Jaws 2022 on it with a Focus 40 Braille display.

When I go to Windows update, it keeps asking me to upgrade to Windows 11.

I am wondering if anyone on either list has done this.

Were you able to do it successfully with no sighted assistance, or do you need sighted assistance.

Can you please provide some guidance.

When the Windows upgrad to Windows 11 runs, will it kick out the Jaws installation, ore will it remain.

I am just trying to figure this out.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 


moderated JeffLukacsena:question on upgrading to Windows 11

Jeff Lukacsena
 

Hello Lists,

I currently have a Lenovo laptop running Windows 10 64-bit. I have Jaws 2022 on it with a Focus 40 Braille display.

When I go to Windows update, it keeps asking me to upgrade to Windows 11.

I am wondering if anyone on either list has done this.

Were you able to do it successfully with no sighted assistance, or do you need sighted assistance.

Can you please provide some guidance.

When the Windows upgrad to Windows 11 runs, will it kick out the Jaws installation, ore will it remain.

I am just trying to figure this out.

Thanks,

Jeff Lukacsena

 


moderated Re: Strategies for getting your orientation in an application?

 

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 12:32 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
I find that more difficult for programs using the ribbon but I still try.
-
If you have not already done so, please read Gene Asner's tutorial on using the ribbons, in which he also covers the Windows split button as a thing of its own:
Using Ribbons to Control Program Functions in Microsoft Windows - G. Asner

Then my two:
Using the Ribbon Interface in Windows via the Keyboard
Deeper Detail on the Ribbon Interface and Navigating It

Then Microsoft's own: Microsoft Support:  Use the Keyboard to Work with the Ribbon

The ribbons are menus, they are just navigated differently.  I don't like them as much as I liked the old menu system, but the old menu system was becoming unmanageable with submenu depth, and too much was completely hidden.  And, as you've noted, they're not going away and are the default UI for virtually all things Windows.

Once you get used to navigating the ribbon by command control groups, which is dirt simple once you've done it a couple of times, it starts to feel very "old menu like."  It's just the exact how you get where you're going that changes.

I encourage any user, blind or sighted, to create their own "Greatest Hits Cheat Sheet" for the direct keyboard shortcuts to the commands they use either constantly or frequently, which was even common practice during the menu era.  It's way faster to use those for what you do frequently, but having explored the all the ribbons in an application, as you used to do for all the menus in a program, lets you have something in the back of your head about having encountered something when you hit an occasion where you need it.

Things like Word have become so complex that the ribbons as a whole are not comprehensive in presenting each and every command.  There are some that are so obscure, and so infrequently used except by a select group of users, that you need to customize specific ribbons or even add one of the normally hidden ribbons.  Since I do work with creating fillable MS-Word templates for forms of various types I have the Developer tab/ribbon shown in the collection of tabs.  Many people who use Word will never encounter that ribbon because they don't ever have occasion to use it.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

       ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019


moderated Re: Strategies for getting your orientation in an application?

Curtis Chong
 

Greetings:

The ribbons work well for me. The initial two months were bad, but once I figured it out, ribbons are great for exploration. You just have to be sure the ribbon is fully expanded before starting.

Warmly,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2022 10:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Strategies for getting your orientation in an application?

In old-style programs with a menu I would make a point of examining
the entire menu system. I find that more difficult for programs using
the ribbon but I still try.

On 2/2/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Because installed applications and apps both can have very different UIs,
you'll probably get more responses, and of higher quality, if you provide a
couple of examples of applications or apps you're thinking about.

This is a very difficult question to answer purely in the abstract, as so
much depends on the "style" of the given apps or applications.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019






--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


moderated Re: Strategies for getting your orientation in an application?

Glenn / Lenny
 

That is one thing I hate about the ribbons.
I too prefer to explore a program by going through the menus.
This one more good thing about Linux, it still uses menus, like good old windows, and pretty much all the keyboard commands are the same as windows.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Soronel Haetir" <soronel.haetir@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2022 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Strategies for getting your orientation in an application?


In old-style programs with a menu I would make a point of examining
the entire menu system. I find that more difficult for programs using
the ribbon but I still try.

On 2/2/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Because installed applications and apps both can have very different UIs,
you'll probably get more responses, and of higher quality, if you provide a
couple of examples of applications or apps you're thinking about.

This is a very difficult question to answer purely in the abstract, as so
much depends on the "style" of the given apps or applications.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019






--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


moderated Re: Strategies for getting your orientation in an application?

Soronel Haetir
 

In old-style programs with a menu I would make a point of examining
the entire menu system. I find that more difficult for programs using
the ribbon but I still try.

On 2/2/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Because installed applications and apps both can have very different UIs,
you'll probably get more responses, and of higher quality, if you provide a
couple of examples of applications or apps you're thinking about.

This is a very difficult question to answer purely in the abstract, as so
much depends on the "style" of the given apps or applications.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its
platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.*

~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment
Took Hold in the United States (
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/23/health/anti-vaccination-movement-us.html
) , September 23, 2019





--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


moderated Re: Strategies for getting your orientation in an application?

 

Because installed applications and apps both can have very different UIs, you'll probably get more responses, and of higher quality, if you provide a couple of examples of applications or apps you're thinking about.

This is a very difficult question to answer purely in the abstract, as so much depends on the "style" of the given apps or applications.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

       ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019


moderated Re: Opening PDFs in Google Docs - documents get cut off

 

If, by chance, you haven't enabled them already:  Accessibility for Docs editors - Computer - Docs ... - Google

I just experimented with a long (77 page) PDF file I have on Google Drive.  When I open it in Google Docs, even though the open is complete, it does NOT load the entirety of the file initially, just a certain number of pages.  When I attempt to scroll down past the end of the currently loaded pages, it begins loading the "next chunk."  Try scrolling past what appears to be the end, several times if necessary, to see if it loads your document in a similar manner.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform.  Now, you simply declare your own truth.

       ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019


moderated Re: Going back one page in MS Edge

Justin Williams
 

I haven't much experience with edge, but I'm just guessiog that tactice might work.

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 10:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Going back one page in MS Edge

 

I have definitely seen this when the site opens a PDF document, as is the case with my internal benefits site at work.  If I know this will happen, I will do the application key and have it open in a new tab or window.  I’ve also done this with search results when arrowing back to the search page doesn’t bring me back in the search results list where I left off. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 4:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Going back one page in MS Edge

 

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.

 

Hi guys:

 

Could it be that some websites simply do not let us go back when we hit the alt+left arrow?

 

I have seen this on some legal research websites such as:

Lexis/nexis, and,

Westlaw;

 

When I hit “enter” to go to a case or statute, and then,

Hit alt+left arrow, it does not let me go back to previous page where the results of my search would be,

I have to hit “home” link to start over to get back to the results screens;

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Going back one page in MS Edge

 

Thanks, no quirks except those that will always exist with assistive technology and the interaction thereof with other software that sometimes leaves issues with no rhyme or reason.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 1:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Going back one page in MS Edge

 

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 01:25 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Yes, this is the method but often does not work correctly.

-
Then something's quirky on your system.  Try this on another computer, repeately, and see if the behavior is consistent with yours.

If there's a page to go back to, ALT + Left Arrow should go back to it, and consistently.  It's the keyboard equivalent of pointing and clicking to the back button in the browser bar.

You can also try hitting ALT + D to throw focus to the address bar, then SHIFT + TABbing 4 or 5 times.  There can be no definitely set number of times because the accessibility of both the Back and Forward buttons are dependent on whether there is something to go back or forward to.  If the button is not there for you to access, there's nothing in the respective navigation direction.
 
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moderated Re: Going back one page in MS Edge

Justin Williams
 

Use control tab and open it in another tab?

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 10:54 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Going back one page in MS Edge

 

I have definitely seen this when the site opens a PDF document, as is the case with my internal benefits site at work.  If I know this will happen, I will do the application key and have it open in a new tab or window.  I’ve also done this with search results when arrowing back to the search page doesn’t bring me back in the search results list where I left off. 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 4:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Going back one page in MS Edge

 

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Hi guys:

 

Could it be that some websites simply do not let us go back when we hit the alt+left arrow?

 

I have seen this on some legal research websites such as:

Lexis/nexis, and,

Westlaw;

 

When I hit “enter” to go to a case or statute, and then,

Hit alt+left arrow, it does not let me go back to previous page where the results of my search would be,

I have to hit “home” link to start over to get back to the results screens;

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 6:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Going back one page in MS Edge

 

Thanks, no quirks except those that will always exist with assistive technology and the interaction thereof with other software that sometimes leaves issues with no rhyme or reason.

 

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2022 1:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Going back one page in MS Edge

 

On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 01:25 PM, Dan Longmore wrote:

Yes, this is the method but often does not work correctly.

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Then something's quirky on your system.  Try this on another computer, repeately, and see if the behavior is consistent with yours.

If there's a page to go back to, ALT + Left Arrow should go back to it, and consistently.  It's the keyboard equivalent of pointing and clicking to the back button in the browser bar.

You can also try hitting ALT + D to throw focus to the address bar, then SHIFT + TABbing 4 or 5 times.  There can be no definitely set number of times because the accessibility of both the Back and Forward buttons are dependent on whether there is something to go back or forward to.  If the button is not there for you to access, there's nothing in the respective navigation direction.
 
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