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Re: bank on line bill pay
Adrian Spratt
If trust is the issue, opening accounts at two banks only doubles the anxiety. It happens I do have accounts at both Chase and BofA. I find Chase's website needlessly complicated but manageable, while BofA's is simpler. However, BofA's phone customer service is terrible, while Chase's phone and on-location service is good.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 12:49 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay Why not open accounts at both Chase and Bank of America and then try out their websites and iPhone apps? After a few months, close the account you like least. Kelly On 7/26/22, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote: I don't seem to trust my (an any other) bank to protect my account. e
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Re: : Re: Using Slack
John Covici
Use it in the browser, you probably will have better luck.
On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 12:46:06 -0400, Don Mauck wrote: -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@...
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Re: bank on line bill pay
Kelly Pierce
Why not open accounts at both Chase and Bank of America and then try
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out their websites and iPhone apps? After a few months, close the account you like least. Kelly
On 7/26/22, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:
I don't seem to trust my (an any other) bank to protect my account. e
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Re: : Re: Using Slack
Don Mauck
Hi, I find it frustrating when using the CTRL+T or K for example. Slack used to just list your thread and you could activate which ever one you wished. Now you get one item then if you keep arrowing down expecting another thread, you the “didn’t find what you expected” message and you then get told you have to type in specific search terms to find your thread. What if I don’t know what the thread is? Also, I find the UI in general very clunky to use and some of the keystrokes do not worked as advertised. Note: This is the Desktop Application.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
James Homuth
Hi. Slack user here. Also JAWS user. What problems are you having with the app?
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Don Mauck
I’ve been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application? Every time I think something works the next day it doesn’t. I’d love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good experience.
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Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS
Karen Reynolds
Hi Richard, The tech here suggested the Asus. I don’t know if it is accessible. Perhaps someone else can say? We haven’t ordered ours yet.
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 11:23 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS
Hi Karen!
Wow, there are a lot of routers listed there! Might you have a suggestion for one that is “best” and most accessible? I do need one that is dual band.
Thanks! Richard
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
You are welcome. I hope you can find one that works.
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Thanks Karen!
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Hi Richard, Here it is. You may need to choose the service you are getting to see what is compatible with their equipment.
https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/compliant-modems-spectrum-network
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Hi Karen!
Soon, I am likely to get Spectrum cable Internet in California (Rancho Cucamonga). I would probably have this same issue. Could you please reply with the link to the Spectrum website where they list compatible routers?
Thanks! Richard
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Hi Dave, We have that same issue with the router that came with Spectrum. The tech who came out suggested the Asus router that they list will work on their website with their equipment. You might want to find out which routers work with their equipment and then find out which one is accessible.
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Glenn:
I forgot to mention, The EE router, does have a web interface but, as I said before, there are buttons which are not standard HTML buttons, which is why JAWS will not recognize them.
Dave
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Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS
Richard B. McDonald
Hi Karen!
Wow, there are a lot of routers listed there! Might you have a suggestion for one that is “best” and most accessible? I do need one that is dual band.
Thanks! Richard
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 9:37 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS
You are welcome. I hope you can find one that works.
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Thanks Karen!
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Hi Richard, Here it is. You may need to choose the service you are getting to see what is compatible with their equipment.
https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/compliant-modems-spectrum-network
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Hi Karen!
Soon, I am likely to get Spectrum cable Internet in California (Rancho Cucamonga). I would probably have this same issue. Could you please reply with the link to the Spectrum website where they list compatible routers?
Thanks! Richard
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Hi Dave, We have that same issue with the router that came with Spectrum. The tech who came out suggested the Asus router that they list will work on their website with their equipment. You might want to find out which routers work with their equipment and then find out which one is accessible.
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Glenn:
I forgot to mention, The EE router, does have a web interface but, as I said before, there are buttons which are not standard HTML buttons, which is why JAWS will not recognize them.
Dave
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Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Gene Warner
I guess I don't understand, if it didn't matter to you, why even bother to chime into the conversation?
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On 7/28/2022 10:51 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
No, I said so what because it doesn't matter to me that the self-voicing feature has been removed.
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Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Michael Massey
No, I said so what because it doesn't matter to me that the self-voicing feature has been removed.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:40 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?' Gene... On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote: No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.
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Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Gene Warner
You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?'
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On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.
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Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Michael Massey
No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems? I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update. Do you have a problem with that? Gene... On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote: Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
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Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Gene Warner
It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems? I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.
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On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
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Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Michael Massey
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
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I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws. Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer. Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the self voicing feature has been removed. So what?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates Gene To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not. Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the program itself. It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers, would have been aware. And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who, quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.
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Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Gene Warner
Those are good points. An audio clip could have been played at the beginning of the installer when no screen reader is detected telling the user that the installer's self voiced capability has been removed. For me though, the first thing I do when I get notified of an update is to go to Freedom Scientific's web site, then go to the what's new in JAWS page to see what enhancements or fixes are in the new update, then after I've read that, I continue with the update. So I do not believe that Freedom Scientific ever bothered to tell anybody that the installer is no longer self voiced.
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On 7/28/2022 10:12 AM, Mike Pietruk wrote:
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Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Mike Pietruk
Gene
To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not. Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the program itself. It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers, would have been aware. And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who, quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.
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Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Gene Warner
Even though I use the semi automatic update, I always go to the Freedom Scientific web site and download the full offline installer just in case I need to do a repair.
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On 7/28/2022 8:53 AM, David Ingram wrote:
Here's what i had to do i had to go to freedomscientific.com and download the latest version of jaws.
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Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
David Ingram
Here's what i had to do i had to go to freedomscientific.com and download the latest version of jaws.
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From: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Jul 28, 2022 7:48 AM To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
And, while using an alternate screen reader such as Narrator solves the problem, it catches everyone off guard and, as this thread illustrates, confuses experienced as well as novice JAWS users a plenty. Not a good design choice on Vispero's part.
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Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Gene Warner
Yeah, unless I missed it, I don't think that they ever announced the change, it could have avoided the confusion or mistaking it for a technical issue.
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On 7/28/2022 8:48 AM, Mike Pietruk wrote:
And, while using an alternate screen reader such as Narrator solves the
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Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Mike Pietruk
And, while using an alternate screen reader such as Narrator solves the
problem, it catches everyone off guard and, as this thread illustrates, confuses experienced as well as novice JAWS users a plenty. Not a good design choice on Vispero's part.
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Re: Google office and xlsx documents
Curtis Chong
Hello Murray:
My assumption is that the spreadsheet is a Google Sheets file. This is best read with the virtual cursor turned off. With the virtual cursor turned off, you can use some shortcut keys to navigate through the spreadsheet and, if necessary, make edits.
This link may be of help.
https://support.google.com/docs/answer/181110?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop
Cordially,
Curtis Chong
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Murray Peat
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 9:03 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Google office and xlsx documents
Hi there, My work colleagues have asked me to do some work with them on a shared document. This takes the form of an xlsx document that appears to open in some kind of Google office online much like a web page.
Normally I have no problem navigating a spreadsheet however the controls on this shared document are confusing me. The document opens with Jaws seemingly bouncing in out of forms several times, I can tell this by the Jaws noises to indicate such. I sometimes find myself in the main document but more often that not I am stuck in some tool bar and can find no logical way of getting out of it.
I was wondering if anyone successfully uses these sort of things and what tips you may have.
The document also appears to slow down Jaws navigation. For example, I would normally jump from one cell to the next with automatic response whereas with this document sometimes it can take a second or so to pop to the next cell
Any help most welcome, it is sort of doing my head in J
Best Murray
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Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Gene Warner
You are right, that is easy, what isn't easy is that I keep forgetting Narrator. :-(
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On 7/27/2022 4:16 PM, Curtis Chong wrote:
Hello:
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