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moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Adrian Spratt
 

If trust is the issue, opening accounts at two banks only doubles the anxiety. It happens I do have accounts at both Chase and BofA. I find Chase's website needlessly complicated but manageable, while BofA's is simpler. However, BofA's phone customer service is terrible, while Chase's phone and on-location service is good.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 12:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: bank on line bill pay

Why not open accounts at both Chase and Bank of America and then try out their websites and iPhone apps? After a few months, close the account you like least.

Kelly



On 7/26/22, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:
I don't seem to trust my (an any other) bank to protect my account. e
issued a paper check to a grand daughter, not of a significant amount,
and she managed to cash it twice; and how many more times before we
caught the problem.  As long as the recipient hangs on to your check,
who's to say how many times they can cash it?

Howard


On 7/26/2022 3:05 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

Some aps are better than others at this. The Bank of America app for
iOS does a good jog of giving you directions and then automatically
snapping the pic when it’s right.  I was surprised to find that the
app for a local bank I’ve been evaluating did this as well.  I am
finding a few holes in it, but overall the app and web site designed
by Computer Services Inc. (CSI) seems to work pretty well. A tell may
be that when you go to online banking the web site address reads
yourbankname.mybanking.net.  One caveat though, the security lacks
true two-factor authentication.  As much as I want to perf local
business over mega corporations that don’t have my interests at
heart, this may ultimately be a deal breaker for me.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: bank on line bill pay

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 01:58 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

You have to take pictures of the front and back of the check.

-
Well, yes, as that's how any mobile banking app gets the data
necessary to deposit the check and to have the legally required
images (when the bank processes the checks normally they're scanned,
and images are saved).

When it comes to things like this, it's always easier to enlist
sighted assistance, once, to get a "photo rig" set up for your
smartphone.  I've done this on multiple occasions, and not just for
banking apps, so that the phone can be placed on top of the rig
(which is usually a small cardboard box, cut into what amounts to a
small table with an opening large enough for the smartphone's camera
to be able to take photos of items placed "on the floor" (table top
or desk top in reality) beneath the rig.  Once set up this tends to
work like a charm for as long as the rig remains viable.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

--
It's so convenient when you folks sign your messages with your name
(or even an alias). Then I don't have to close the message and look
through the headings to find the originator.






moderated Re: : Re: Using Slack

John Covici
 

Use it in the browser, you probably will have better luck.

On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 12:46:06 -0400,
Don Mauck wrote:

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Hi, I find it frustrating when using the CTRL+T or K for example. Slack used to just list your thread and you could activate which ever one you wished. Now you get one item then if you keep arrowing down expecting another thread, you the "didn't find what you expected" message and you then get told you have to type in specific search terms to find your thread.
What if I don't know what the thread is? Also, I find the UI in general very clunky to use and some of the keystrokes do not worked as advertised.
Note: This is the Desktop Application.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Using Slack

Hi. Slack user here. Also JAWS user. What problems are you having with the app?

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: July 26, 2022 4:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Slack

I've been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application? Every time I think something works the next day it doesn't.
I'd love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good experience.






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--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...


moderated Re: bank on line bill pay

Kelly Pierce
 

Why not open accounts at both Chase and Bank of America and then try
out their websites and iPhone apps? After a few months, close the
account you like least.

Kelly

On 7/26/22, Howard Traxler <htraxler7@...> wrote:
I don't seem to trust my (an any other) bank to protect my account. e
issued a paper check to a grand daughter, not of a significant amount,
and she managed to cash it twice; and how many more times before we
caught the problem.  As long as the recipient hangs on to your check,
who's to say how many times they can cash it?

Howard


On 7/26/2022 3:05 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. wrote:

Some aps are better than others at this. The Bank of America app for
iOS does a good jog of giving you directions and then automatically
snapping the pic when it’s right.  I was surprised to find that the
app for a local bank I’ve been evaluating did this as well.  I am
finding a few holes in it, but overall the app and web site designed
by Computer Services Inc. (CSI) seems to work pretty well. A tell may
be that when you go to online banking the web site address reads
yourbankname.mybanking.net.  One caveat though, the security lacks
true two-factor authentication.  As much as I want to perf local
business over mega corporations that don’t have my interests at heart,
this may ultimately be a deal breaker for me.

*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 2:10 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: bank on line bill pay

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 01:58 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

You have to take pictures of the front and back of the check.

-
Well, yes, as that's how any mobile banking app gets the data
necessary to deposit the check and to have the legally required images
(when the bank processes the checks normally they're scanned, and
images are saved).

When it comes to things like this, it's always easier to enlist
sighted assistance, once, to get a "photo rig" set up for your
smartphone.  I've done this on multiple occasions, and not just for
banking apps, so that the phone can be placed on top of the rig (which
is usually a small cardboard box, cut into what amounts to a small
table with an opening large enough for the smartphone's camera to be
able to take photos of items placed "on the floor" (table top or desk
top in reality) beneath the rig.  Once set up this tends to work like
a charm for as long as the rig remains viable.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

--
It's so convenient when you folks sign your messages with your name (or even
an alias). Then I don't have to close the message and look through the
headings to find the originator.






moderated Re: : Re: Using Slack

Don Mauck
 

Hi, I find it frustrating when using the CTRL+T or K for example. Slack used to just list your thread and you could activate which ever one you wished. Now you get one item then if you keep arrowing down expecting another thread, you the “didn’t find what you expected” message and you then get told you have to type in specific search terms to find your thread.

What if I don’t know what the thread is? Also, I find the UI in general very clunky to use and some of the keystrokes do not worked as advertised.

Note:  This is the Desktop Application.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2022 6:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [External] : Re: Using Slack

 

Hi. Slack user here. Also JAWS user. What problems are you having with the app?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don Mauck
Sent: July 26, 2022 4:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Using Slack

 

I’ve been forced to use Slack for two years and I HATE it. Is there really people that think that Slack is an accessible Application? Every time I think something works the next day it doesn’t.

I’d love to find people that use Slack with JAWS and find it a good experience.


moderated Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

Karen Reynolds
 

Hi Richard,

The tech here suggested the Asus. I don’t know if it is accessible. Perhaps someone else can say? We haven’t ordered ours yet.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 11:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Karen!

 

Wow, there are a lot of routers listed there!  Might you have a suggestion for one that is “best” and most accessible?  I do need one that is dual band.

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

You are welcome. I hope you can find one that works.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 12:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Thanks Karen!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Richard,

Here it is. You may need to choose the service you are getting to see what is compatible with their equipment.

 

https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/compliant-modems-spectrum-network

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 11:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Karen!

 

Soon, I am likely to get Spectrum cable Internet in California (Rancho Cucamonga).  I would probably have this same issue.  Could you please reply with the link to the Spectrum website where they list compatible routers?

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 6:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Dave,

We have that same issue with the router that came with Spectrum. The tech who came out suggested the Asus router that they list will work on their website with their equipment. You might want to find out which routers work with their equipment and then find out which one is accessible.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 4:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Glenn:

 

I forgot to mention, The EE router, does have a web interface but, as I said before, there are buttons which are not standard HTML buttons, which is why JAWS will not recognize them.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Dave,

I use a Linksys Smart router, but I don't use any Linksys software, I use the web interface, and I find that Internet Explorer works better than the three main browsers for router interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 3:08 PM

Subject: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hello everyone:

 

I need to set up port forwarding for a particular purpose. My ISP provider, is EE. The router's interface is mostly accessible. I was able to choose the device from the list, enter the start and end port forwarding addresses but, I could not find the button to press, which saves the new settings. I called EE and explained my problem. EE sent a technician to my home to try and help me set up the port forwarding function, which is when we discovered there were a couple of buttons on the port forwarding page which had been designed as graphics, which of course,no screen reader cannot speak.

 

Now, I am looking for a router, which has an interface, which is accessible using JAWS. Until 2014, when Annie and I moved to the UK, we always had Lynksys routers. Are the modern day Lynksys routers fully accessible using JAWS, if not, can any list members recommend a router, which is accessible, using JAWS.

 

Any suggestions, must contain both make and model numbers.

 

Thank you in anticipation for any and all suggestions.

 

Dave Durberr

 

 


moderated Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

Richard B. McDonald
 

Hi Karen!

 

Wow, there are a lot of routers listed there!  Might you have a suggestion for one that is “best” and most accessible?  I do need one that is dual band.

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 9:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

You are welcome. I hope you can find one that works.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 12:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Thanks Karen!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Richard,

Here it is. You may need to choose the service you are getting to see what is compatible with their equipment.

 

https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/compliant-modems-spectrum-network

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard B. McDonald
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 11:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Karen!

 

Soon, I am likely to get Spectrum cable Internet in California (Rancho Cucamonga).  I would probably have this same issue.  Could you please reply with the link to the Spectrum website where they list compatible routers?

 

Thanks!

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 6:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Dave,

We have that same issue with the router that came with Spectrum. The tech who came out suggested the Asus router that they list will work on their website with their equipment. You might want to find out which routers work with their equipment and then find out which one is accessible.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 4:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Glenn:

 

I forgot to mention, The EE router, does have a web interface but, as I said before, there are buttons which are not standard HTML buttons, which is why JAWS will not recognize them.

 

Dave

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hi Dave,

I use a Linksys Smart router, but I don't use any Linksys software, I use the web interface, and I find that Internet Explorer works better than the three main browsers for router interface.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 3:08 PM

Subject: Routers which have an interface which is accessible using JAWS

 

Hello everyone:

 

I need to set up port forwarding for a particular purpose. My ISP provider, is EE. The router's interface is mostly accessible. I was able to choose the device from the list, enter the start and end port forwarding addresses but, I could not find the button to press, which saves the new settings. I called EE and explained my problem. EE sent a technician to my home to try and help me set up the port forwarding function, which is when we discovered there were a couple of buttons on the port forwarding page which had been designed as graphics, which of course,no screen reader cannot speak.

 

Now, I am looking for a router, which has an interface, which is accessible using JAWS. Until 2014, when Annie and I moved to the UK, we always had Lynksys routers. Are the modern day Lynksys routers fully accessible using JAWS, if not, can any list members recommend a router, which is accessible, using JAWS.

 

Any suggestions, must contain both make and model numbers.

 

Thank you in anticipation for any and all suggestions.

 

Dave Durberr

 

 


moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene Warner
 

I guess I don't understand, if it didn't matter to you, why even bother to chime into the conversation?

Gene...

On 7/28/2022 10:51 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
No, I said so what because it doesn't matter to me that the self-voicing feature has been removed.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?'
Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.

Do you have a problem with that?

Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.






















moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Michael Massey
 

No, I said so what because it doesn't matter to me that the self-voicing feature has been removed.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?'

Gene...


On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.

Do you have a problem with that?

Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.






















moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene Warner
 

You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?'

Gene...

On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.
Do you have a problem with that?
Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.













moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Michael Massey
 

No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.

Do you have a problem with that?

Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.













moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene Warner
 

It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems? I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.

Do you have a problem with that?

Gene...

On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the self
voicing feature has been removed. So what?
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Gene
To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the program
itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if it was
even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers, would have
been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who, quite
obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.


moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Michael Massey
 

Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the self
voicing feature has been removed. So what?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the program
itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if it was
even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers, would have
been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who, quite
obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.


moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene Warner
 

Those are good points. An audio clip could have been played at the beginning of the installer when no screen reader is detected telling the user that the installer's self voiced capability has been removed. For me though, the first thing I do when I get notified of an update is to go to Freedom Scientific's web site, then go to the what's new in JAWS page to see what enhancements or fixes are in the new update, then after I've read that, I continue with the update. So I do not believe that Freedom Scientific ever bothered to tell anybody that the installer is no longer self voiced.

Gene...

On 7/28/2022 10:12 AM, Mike Pietruk wrote:
Gene
To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if it
was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers, would
have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who, quite
obviously, most are not exactly computer
sophisticated.


moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Mike Pietruk
 

Gene

To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if it
was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers, would
have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who, quite
obviously, most are not exactly computer
sophisticated.


moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene Warner
 

Even though I use the semi automatic update, I always go to the Freedom Scientific web site and download the full offline installer just in case I need to do a repair.

Gene...

On 7/28/2022 8:53 AM, David Ingram wrote:
Here's what i had to do i had to go to freedomscientific.com and download the latest version of jaws.
-----Original Message-----
From: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Jul 28, 2022 7:48 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
And, while using an alternate screen reader such as Narrator solves the
problem,
it catches everyone off guard and, as this thread illustrates, confuses
experienced as well as novice JAWS users a plenty.
Not a good design choice on Vispero's part.


moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

David Ingram
 

Here's what i had to do i had to go to freedomscientific.com and download the latest version of jaws.

-----Original Message-----
From: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Jul 28, 2022 7:48 AM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

 

And, while using an alternate screen reader such as Narrator solves the

problem,

it catches everyone off guard and, as this thread illustrates, confuses

experienced as well as novice JAWS users a plenty.

Not a good design choice on Vispero's part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene Warner
 

Yeah, unless I missed it, I don't think that they ever announced the change, it could have avoided the confusion or mistaking it for a technical issue.

Gene...

On 7/28/2022 8:48 AM, Mike Pietruk wrote:
And, while using an alternate screen reader such as Narrator solves the
problem,
it catches everyone off guard and, as this thread illustrates, confuses
experienced as well as novice JAWS users a plenty.
Not a good design choice on Vispero's part.


moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Mike Pietruk
 

And, while using an alternate screen reader such as Narrator solves the
problem,
it catches everyone off guard and, as this thread illustrates, confuses
experienced as well as novice JAWS users a plenty.
Not a good design choice on Vispero's part.


moderated Re: Google office and xlsx documents

Curtis Chong
 

Hello Murray:

 

My assumption is that the spreadsheet is a Google Sheets file. This is best read with the virtual cursor turned off. With the virtual cursor turned off, you can use some shortcut keys to navigate through the spreadsheet and, if necessary, make edits.

 

This link may be of help.

 

https://support.google.com/docs/answer/181110?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop

 

Cordially,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Murray Peat
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 9:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Google office and xlsx documents

 

Hi there,

My work colleagues have asked me to do some work with them on a shared document. This takes the form of an xlsx document that appears to open in some kind of Google office online much like a web page.

 

Normally I have no problem navigating a spreadsheet however the controls on this shared document are confusing me. The document opens with Jaws seemingly bouncing in out of forms several times, I can tell this by the Jaws noises to indicate such. I sometimes find myself in the main document but more often that not I am stuck in some tool bar and can find no logical way of getting out of it.

 

I was wondering if anyone successfully uses these sort of things and what tips you may have.

 

The document also appears to slow down Jaws navigation. For example, I would normally jump from one cell to the next with automatic response whereas with this document sometimes it can take a second or so to pop to the next cell

 

Any help most welcome, it is sort of doing my head in J

 

Best

Murray

 


moderated Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Gene Warner
 

You are right, that is easy, what isn't easy is that I keep forgetting Narrator. :-(

Gene...

On 7/27/2022 4:16 PM, Curtis Chong wrote:
Hello:
The controversy arises when a person wants to have JAWS turned off during the update or installation. JAWS used to have a self-voicing installer which appears no longer to be present today. Worst case scenario, turn off JAWS, turn on Narrator, run the update. Easy peasy.
Cordially,
Curtis Chong
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 2:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
I'm confused. I just installed the new update. Throughout, I tracked the steps and progress as JAWS verbalized them.
What exactly is the controversy?
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 3:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Hi, Gene. I believe Freedom Scientific intentionally removed the self voicing installer from JAWS, because now, Narrator can be used to monitor the install.
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 12:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
I just did the update and sent Freedom Scientific tech support a message, ever since the beginning of the year, or somewhere around there, the installer's self voicing feature hasn't worked. I prefer to exit JAWS once the installer starts, I find that there are fewer possibilities for trouble that way.
Gene...
On 7/27/2022 3:17 PM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi, Curtis. If it weren't for your message and Molly's message, I would not have known about a new update. I am going to install the update on my desktop and then I am going to use the help utility and check for the update on my laptop. Molly needed to check the box to download the update and go from there. I will also listen to the podcast featuring Eric Damery.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis
Chong
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 1:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Hello:

I am not experiencing this issue, but I do have Windows 10. There was an update released today. You can download it directly off of the Freedom Scientific website. Here is the direct download link.



Cordially,

Curtis Chong
https://jaws2022.vfo.digital/2022.2207.25.400/2ACCEDFA-0210-472F-9953-
AE54DF593427/J2022.2207.25.400-any.exe

Best regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the
blind tech lover
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 12:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates

Hi everyone. I am having a weird problem with Jaws. When Jaws turns on, it informs me that an update is available. However, I get the following message. "The following updates are available. List view, 0 items." Pressing tab, there is a cancel button, and that's it. There does not appear to be an actual update for Jaws. Is anyone else experiencing this issue? I am running Windows 11, version 21h2, and Jaws version 2022.
















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