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moderated Need To Get Rid Of Superscript Designations In a Microsoft Word File

Tom Behler
 

Hello, everyone.

 

I need some help with a strange Microsoft Word document file here.

 

I have no idea how this happened, since I created the file myself with no special stylistic designations, but when I read the file, Jaws says begin superscript and end superscript for many lines throughout the file.

 

I don’t even know how to make superscript designations like this.

 

How can I get rid of these superscript designations, because, as you can imagine, they make reading and editing the file very difficult.

 

Can I eliminate these designations globally, or do I have to do this for each line in the file?

 

For reference, I’m using Windows 10 and Office 365, as well as the latest build of Jaws 2022.

 

Thanks for any assistance.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

 

 


moderated Re: preforming a right click

 

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 06:01 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
JAWS makes so much use of the numeric key pad
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It's not just JAWS, but all screen readers I've ever dealt with.

Since most laptop 15" or larger have a full-sized keyboard with number pad, that makes sense.  The laptop layouts were created before this was as common as it is now for laptops, and still remains common for small "netbook" type laptops.

I can't remember the last time I've touched a laptop, and I mean a real laptop intended for broad general use, not a netbook, that did not have a number pad as part of a full-sized keyboard.  

There do remain a select few business "ultrabook" type machines where size/weight are being minimized to the maximum extent possible that do have the old-style keyboard with no number pad.
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     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: preforming a right click

Gene Warner
 

That's why I have a trackball, it's easier for me to use than a mouse and when I have a sighted assistant helping me, it's easier for them to use than the touch pad, which I have disabled anyway.

Gene...

On 8/5/2022 5:29 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 04:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I suspect some blind folks don’t even have one.
-
If that's the case, and we're not talking about a laptop, that would almost certainly be because they threw it away, which is a very bad idea.
I don't know of a single person, blind or not, who doesn't have at least a few occasions where an assistant becomes involved and when most sighted people need to work they have to have a mouse.
I've also never understood why instructors for blind tech do not teach how to "hobble" a mouse such that a real left and right click are available when they are needed, and no emulation works.  It's so simple (and I'm presuming an optical mouse - roller ball mice have been a thing of the past for a long while now):  Put a piece of tape over the laser port underneath, and once you know what it feels like it's impossible to mistake (and there's usually only one "big hole" in the bottom of a mouse).  Once that's done, no amount of moving the mouse will cause the mouse pointer to move, but you still have real left and right click.  If you do this with a small piece of cardboard and tape it can be easier to remove when that might be needed.
In the case of a laptop mouse pad, that's done simply by masking off the track pad area with a piece of cardboard that is at least as thick as a manila folder or, preferably, the back of your average legal pad. Finger touches cannot be detected through this, but the hard left and right mouse buttons are still available (or the left and right push corners where actual separate hard buttons are not present).
Knowing how to create and use a "neutered"/"hobbled" mouse or mouse pad can solve a lot of annoyance.
--
Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: preforming a right click

Gene Warner
 

JAWS makes so much use of the numeric key pad plus one of my hobbies is based on a very detailed and large spreadsheet in Excel that when I bought my current laptop, I made sure it had one.

Gene...

On 8/5/2022 5:23 PM, Madison Martin wrote:
Never knew about this command; I don’t have a number pad
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Glenn / Lenny
*Sent:* August 5, 2022 3:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click
Well one keyboard command that might help, maybe you did this too, and it is for knowing what exactly has been selected:
shift + insert + zero (number pad) & 2.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Madison Martin <mailto:Madison.Martin2000@...>
*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:*Friday, August 05, 2022 3:35 PM
*Subject:*Re: preforming a right click
I can’t get them selected though… When I hold down shift and press the down arrow all Jaws says is that space is selected
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Glenn / Lenny
*Sent:* August 5, 2022 3:23 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click
Madison,
Being context sensitive, I wonder if the item you want to perform an action on, is no longer selected.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Madison Martin <mailto:Madison.Martin2000@...>
*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:*Friday, August 05, 2022 3:21 PM
*Subject:*Re: preforming a right click
Okay, the problem is that when I bring up the context menu the option to remove an entry doesn’t show up even though I was told by others who us Microsoft 365 that the option is there
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 5, 2022 2:36 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click
By far and away the most reliable method is either using the applications/context menu key if your keyboard happens to have one, or SHIFT + F10 if it does not.  Neither of these involve any emulation and Windows recognizes both.
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Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
**Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.***
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: preforming a right click

 

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 05:38 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
There used to be separate pages depending on the version of Windows, but in recent years it's a page where you will most likely see the latest version of Windows in a selection dropdown at the top, and where you simply choose another version if you want it's keyboard shortcuts instead.
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Just did that search, and in DuckDuckGo, Google, and Bing the first returned result:  

Keyboard shortcuts in Windows

 
What has changed is that the dropdown is now gone and there's a tab-type selection across the top for Windows 11 (default), Windows 10, Windows 8.1 and Windows 8.1 RT, Windows 7.
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Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: preforming a right click

 

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 04:24 PM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
Is there somewhere we can go to find these Windows commands?
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A simple web search on [Windows Keyboard Shortcuts] almost always returns Microsoft's own page documenting them all as the first result.  If it's not the first one, I've never seen it not occur somewhere in the top five.

There used to be separate pages depending on the version of Windows, but in recent years it's a page where you will most likely see the latest version of Windows in a selection dropdown at the top, and where you simply choose another version if you want it's keyboard shortcuts instead.

Most of the core keyboard shortcuts have remained the same for decades now.  There's been the rare occasion where an existing one is changed, but even when that happens it tends to be one of the later ones added as Windows has marched along, not one of the ones we all know and love that have been around since Windows 3.1.
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Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: preforming a right click

 

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 04:31 PM, JM Casey wrote:
They are a pretty loud minority. [Sighted keyboard shortcut users]
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Key word:  minority.   Second key word: loud.

It doesn't change the fact that they're a tiny, tiny portion of the sighted user base.  And we all know, and not just in computing, how a number of tiny, tiny minorities can be very, very loud.  Sometimes that's a positive, others, not so much.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: preforming a right click

 

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 04:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I suspect some blind folks don’t even have one.
-
If that's the case, and we're not talking about a laptop, that would almost certainly be because they threw it away, which is a very bad idea.

I don't know of a single person, blind or not, who doesn't have at least a few occasions where an assistant becomes involved and when most sighted people need to work they have to have a mouse.

I've also never understood why instructors for blind tech do not teach how to "hobble" a mouse such that a real left and right click are available when they are needed, and no emulation works.  It's so simple (and I'm presuming an optical mouse - roller ball mice have been a thing of the past for a long while now):  Put a piece of tape over the laser port underneath, and once you know what it feels like it's impossible to mistake (and there's usually only one "big hole" in the bottom of a mouse).  Once that's done, no amount of moving the mouse will cause the mouse pointer to move, but you still have real left and right click.  If you do this with a small piece of cardboard and tape it can be easier to remove when that might be needed.

In the case of a laptop mouse pad, that's done simply by masking off the track pad area with a piece of cardboard that is at least as thick as a manila folder or, preferably, the back of your average legal pad.  Finger touches cannot be detected through this, but the hard left and right mouse buttons are still available (or the left and right push corners where actual separate hard buttons are not present).

Knowing how to create and use a "neutered"/"hobbled" mouse or mouse pad can solve a lot of annoyance.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: preforming a right click

Madison Martin
 

I have a mouse but that's because I turned the touchpad on my laptop off as I was forever bumping it but I only get it out when I need sighted assistance that requires the use of a mouse

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 5, 2022 3:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

I have a trackball for when a mouse is absolutely needed, but I haven't hooked it up to my computer in months.

Gene...


On 8/5/2022 4:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yeah. It’s the left click situation taht’s a little bit trickier.
Maybe especially for those of us who don’t have a laptop – actually in
a situation now where I don’t even know where my physical mouse is as
somehow when assembling my new desk/worksation I seem to have
misplaced it. Of course it’s not the sort of thing that would even
occur to me as I can go weeks without even thinking about a mouse,
but then, boom, suddenly you find yourself at a point where one might
be useful and it’s, oh no, where is that blasted thing? I suspect some
blind folks don’t even have one.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 5, 2022 04:03 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 03:59 PM, Mike B. wrote:

If you're using a laptop without a NumPad:

Left Mouse Button / Click = CAPS LOCK+8

Right Mouse Button / Click = CAPS LOCK+9

-
But, again, this relies on JAWS emulation. And whether it's JAWS or
any other screen reader, mouse button emulation is very frequently hit or miss.

Best practice is the applications/context menu key, or SHIFT + F10,
both of which are native Windows commands that are analogous to a
physical right mouse button click. There's really no point in
introducing any uncertainty when it's just not necessary.

Each can do as he or she sees fit, but only once the issues
surrounding the various choices are clear. That's an informed choice.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: preforming a right click

Madison Martin
 

Never knew about this command; I don’t have a number pad

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 5, 2022 3:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

Well one keyboard command that might help, maybe you did this too, and it is for knowing what exactly has been selected:

shift + insert + zero (number pad) & 2.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 3:35 PM

Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

I can’t get them selected though… When I hold down shift and press the down arrow all Jaws says is that space is selected

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 5, 2022 3:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

Madison,

Being context sensitive, I wonder if the item you want to perform an action on, is no longer selected.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

Okay, the problem is that when I bring up the context menu the option to remove an entry doesn’t show up even though I was told by others who us Microsoft 365 that the option is there

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 5, 2022 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

By far and away the most reliable method is either using the applications/context menu key if your keyboard happens to have one, or SHIFT + F10 if it does not.  Neither of these involve any emulation and Windows recognizes both.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: preforming a right click

Gene Warner
 

I have a trackball for when a mouse is absolutely needed, but I haven't hooked it up to my computer in months.

Gene...

On 8/5/2022 4:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yeah. It’s the left click situation taht’s a little bit trickier. Maybe especially for those of us who don’t have a laptop – actually in a situation now where I don’t even know where my physical mouse is as somehow when assembling my new desk/worksation I seem to have misplaced it. Of course it’s not the sort of thing that would even occur to me as I can go weeks without even thinking about a  mouse, but then, boom, suddenly you find yourself at a point where one might be useful and it’s, oh no, where is that blasted thing? I suspect some blind folks don’t even have one.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 5, 2022 04:03 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click
On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 03:59 PM, Mike B. wrote:
If you're using a laptop without a NumPad:
Left Mouse Button / Click   =   CAPS LOCK+8
Right Mouse Button / Click  =  CAPS LOCK+9
-
But, again, this relies on JAWS emulation.  And whether it's JAWS or any other screen reader, mouse button emulation is very frequently hit or miss.
Best practice is the applications/context menu key, or SHIFT + F10, both of which are native Windows commands that are analogous to a physical right mouse button click.  There's really no point in introducing any uncertainty when it's just not necessary.
Each can do as he or she sees fit, but only once the issues surrounding the various choices are clear.  That's an informed choice.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: preforming a right click

JM Casey
 

Yeah. It’s the left click situation taht’s a little bit trickier. Maybe especially for those of us who don’t have a laptop – actually in a situation now where I don’t even know where my physical mouse is as somehow when assembling my new desk/worksation I seem to have misplaced it. Of course it’s not the sort of thing that would even occur to me as I can go weeks without even thinking about a  mouse, but then, boom, suddenly you find yourself at a point where one might be useful and it’s, oh no, where is that blasted thing? I suspect some blind folks don’t even have one.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 5, 2022 04:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 03:59 PM, Mike B. wrote:

If you're using a laptop without a NumPad:

Left Mouse Button / Click   =   CAPS LOCK+8 

 

Right Mouse Button / Click  =  CAPS LOCK+9 

 

-
But, again, this relies on JAWS emulation.  And whether it's JAWS or any other screen reader, mouse button emulation is very frequently hit or miss.

Best practice is the applications/context menu key, or SHIFT + F10, both of which are native Windows commands that are analogous to a physical right mouse button click.  There's really no point in introducing any uncertainty when it's just not necessary.

Each can do as he or she sees fit, but only once the issues surrounding the various choices are clear.  That's an informed choice.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: preforming a right click

K0LNY
 


Well one keyboard command that might help, maybe you did this too, and it is for knowing what exactly has been selected:
shift + insert + zero (number pad) & 2.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

I can’t get them selected though… When I hold down shift and press the down arrow all Jaws says is that space is selected

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 5, 2022 3:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

Madison,

Being context sensitive, I wonder if the item you want to perform an action on, is no longer selected.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

Okay, the problem is that when I bring up the context menu the option to remove an entry doesn’t show up even though I was told by others who us Microsoft 365 that the option is there

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 5, 2022 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

By far and away the most reliable method is either using the applications/context menu key if your keyboard happens to have one, or SHIFT + F10 if it does not.  Neither of these involve any emulation and Windows recognizes both.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Rearanging system tray icons

Gene Warner
 

I just checked, TPM 2.0 is apparently still required because it was the only thing preventing me from being able to upgrade and Windows update is still telling me I'm not eligible.

Gene...

On 8/5/2022 4:27 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 04:09 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Unless I buy a new computer I can't upgrade to Windows 11 because it
requires TPM 2.0 and my system has TPM 1.2.
-
You might want to double check that if you have an interest in Windows 11.  I'm absolutely certain that the initial TPM requirement was for 2.0, but I seem to remember that they dropped that down to one point something.
Running the "can I upgrade" checker if the Windows Update pane of Update & Security settings isn't already telling you that you cannot update is worth doing, as it will identify issues that may be preventing you from updating that can be remedied without the need for new hardware. Someone just recently posted, but I'm not sure if it was on this group, about getting a message that they needed to update BIOS (and you really should update BIOS any time you're notified that an update is available.  Most BIOS updates these days are about security patches and unlike in the "bad old days" when manual flashing of BIOS was necessary and often subject to failure, the modern executable packages are a cinch to kick off and let them do the rest.)
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*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: preforming a right click

JM Casey
 

I was never quite sure why people have trouble with this. it’s usually pretty easy to know when something is a screen-reader command. Most of the ones that aren’t scripted by third parties use the Jaws key.

From:    main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 5, 2022 04:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

There are hundreds of native Windows keyboard shortcuts, and I have forgotten more than what many even know about.

Most folks seem to think all the commands they use are Jaws commands, when they are just windows commands.

It wouldn’t hurt to review the windows list of keyboard shortcuts, some are more useful than Jaws shortcuts.

For example, windows + B will give you more context options than the Jaws insert F11.

So most of what people are doing with the keyboard could be done without a screenreader installed.

The screenreaders add layers of commands which can give us access which in some cases, the windows keyboard commands are lacking.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From:    Brian Vogel

To:          main@jfw.groups.io

Sent:     Friday, August 05, 2022 3:02 PM

Subject:               Re: preforming a right click

 

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 03:59 PM, Mike B. wrote:

If you’re using a laptop without a NumPad:

Left Mouse Button / Click   =   CAPS LOCK+8 

Right Mouse Button / Click  =  CAPS LOCK+9 

-
But, again, this relies on JAWS emulation.  And whether it’s JAWS or any other screen reader, mouse button emulation is very frequently hit or miss.

Best practice is the applications/context menu key, or SHIFT + F10, both of which are native Windows commands that are analogous to a physical right mouse button click.  There’s really no point in introducing any uncertainty when it’s just not necessary.

Each can do as he or she sees fit, but only once the issues surrounding the various choices are clear.  That’s an informed choice.—

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

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moderated Re: preforming a right click

Madison Martin
 

I can’t get them selected though… When I hold down shift and press the down arrow all Jaws says is that space is selected

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 5, 2022 3:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

Madison,

Being context sensitive, I wonder if the item you want to perform an action on, is no longer selected.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, August 05, 2022 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

Okay, the problem is that when I bring up the context menu the option to remove an entry doesn’t show up even though I was told by others who us Microsoft 365 that the option is there

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 5, 2022 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

By far and away the most reliable method is either using the applications/context menu key if your keyboard happens to have one, or SHIFT + F10 if it does not.  Neither of these involve any emulation and Windows recognizes both.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: preforming a right click

Gene Warner
 

That's why I reassigned the JAWS commands to mark the beginning and ending of text to much easier to use and remember keys, once I have set the beginning and ending markers, then I hit cut or copy. That way I don't have one tied down to a shift key.

Gene...

On 8/5/2022 4:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 04:14 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
A mouse makes things easy, but it also slows you down.
-
Another abso-friggin'-lutely.  You have to remove a hand from the keyboard to use it, and when you're doing that hundreds of times per day that time adds up.  I'd say the only time it makes things faster is with selection of text within documents.  Swipe over selection is the fastest way to select, with precision, that I've ever encountered.  Selection via keyboard can be done, and quickly, but generally with less precision or with more time involved in limiting the selection at the end of the "chunk" to only what one wants.
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*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
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moderated Re: preforming a right click

JM Casey
 

Hey.

Not that I disagree with the gist of what you’re saying, and nlot that I’m not thankful that it’s true – but I do think that the admitted minority of sighted users who use the keyboard *more than the average user* would have had something to say about this. They are a pretty loud minority. I’m sure you know how many youtube videos as well as written pages online have titles like “20 keyboard commands you’re a moron for not using”, etc. These aren’t done witht eh blind in mind, that’s for sure. Sighted use them too, or can learn to use them – I’ve certainly had quite a few sighted people tell me that they’d like to do some of the things my way as it’d be more efficient – whether they actually do, well, maybe that’s another story. Still, the less point-and-click reliant sighted folks are certainly out there and I’m willing to put a little bit of capital into the idea that many developers are exactly this type of person. I’d be interested to know if and what ideas Microsoft (and perhaps others) had about retiring keyboard commands on the table in the past.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 5, 2022 04:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 04:11 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

So most of what people are doing with the keyboard could be done without a screen reader installed.

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Abso-friggin'-lutely!  Most of the keyboard commands issues by any screen reader user are not screen reader commands.  The number of Windows or application program shortcuts used in day-to-day activities far outstrips actual screen reader commands for any user I've ever observed or tutored.

It's funny, too, but the blind and low-vision community often has no appreciation how much of an accident accessibility by keyboard commands is.  These were essential in the days of DOS and before WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) software such as MS-Word and similar came on the scene under Windows.  But they were carried over into Windows only because, at that time, sighted people were used to using these almost exclusively because windows and windowed environments did not exist and you learned them.  It would have been so, so easy for the decision to have been made where all the keyboard shortcuts would have been jettisoned rather than maintained.  By the luck of the draw and circumstances, the opposite decision was made, so keyboard shortcuts still exist for the vast majority of actions even though the vast majority of sighted users have not a clue of what any of these might be since point and click really did take over.  There are notable exceptions, though.  CTRL + C (Copy), CTRL + X (Cut), and CTRL + V (Paste) are still very, very widely used.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Rearanging system tray icons

Gene Warner
 

It's not a part of Windows, its from a 3rd party, it's a program that monitors my email account and tells me when I have hew email waiting.

Gene...

On 8/5/2022 4:21 PM, Bill White wrote:
What is Pop Peeper? I don't have that in my SysTray.
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 11:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Rearanging system tray icons
I actually have been through that area of settings and I chose to have
all the icons displayed. Then in the action center I either disabled it
entirely or I set it to not show its icon in the task bar.
For rearanging the system tray icons All I needed to do was move the Pop
Peeper icon to the first position so that when I hit insert+F11 it is
the first icon JAWS tells me about.
Gene...
On 8/5/2022 1:54 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
I've never tried rearranging the system tray icons using drag and drop,
but heere's how you do it in Windows 10 a didifferent way.
Use the steps below after going to the following: Settings / System /
Personalization / Taskbar category.

In the, Taskbar category, set your Settings and their state as listed
below and you can change them back after you are done rearranging the
icons, but
I would only turn the, Lock the Taskbar, button off and leave the rest
of the settings alone:
Lock the Taskbar button, is On, by default.
As you tab through these settings I Have all other buttons turned off
These next 2 options I have set as follows.
Taskbar location on screen Combo box, Bottom

Taskbar location on screen Combine taskbar buttons, Never
Here's how I rearrange the system tray icons running Windows 10 Pro
Version 1809 (OS Build 17763.379) & all newer versions with all
installed versions
of Jaws.
1. Windows key + I, for Settings, tab 1 time to System, right arrow to
Personalization, and press enter.
2. Navigate to, Taskbar and press enter.
3. Tab several times to, Show Badges on Taskbar..., and make sure this
is, Off / unchecked.
4. Tab a few times to, Notification Area, Select which icons appear on
the taskbar Link, and press enter.
5. Okay now to put the System Tray in the order you want it in. Tab
through all the icons making a note of which ones you have checked /
turned on because
you're going to uncheck all of them.
6. Uncheck all the icons. Now you will go through and check the icons
in the reverse order you want them in because , the 1st one yu check
will be at
the bottom of the list, the 2nd will be 2nd from the bottom, the 3rd will
be 3rd from the bottom etc. etc.... After you're done open the system
tray to make sure it's the way you want it and Alt + F4 if it is,
there's not an
Okay button.

Note: If you have the Action Center showing in the system tray I don't
know of any way to get that to show anywhere else except at the bottom.
Rearranging
the icons using the steps above will put them in the order you want
them, but they'll all be above the Action Center.

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2022 9:12 AM
*Subject:* Rearanging system tray icons

Here's a tip that may not be so obvious.

You can use JAWS' drag and drop to rearange the system tray icons, but
don't use insert+F11 to get there, instead use windows+B.

Gene...





moderated Re: Rearanging system tray icons

 

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 04:09 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Unless I buy a new computer I can't upgrade to Windows 11 because it requires TPM 2.0 and my system has TPM 1.2.
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You might want to double check that if you have an interest in Windows 11.  I'm absolutely certain that the initial TPM requirement was for 2.0, but I seem to remember that they dropped that down to one point something.

Running the "can I upgrade" checker if the Windows Update pane of Update & Security settings isn't already telling you that you cannot update is worth doing, as it will identify issues that may be preventing you from updating that can be remedied without the need for new hardware.  Someone just recently posted, but I'm not sure if it was on this group, about getting a message that they needed to update BIOS (and you really should update BIOS any time you're notified that an update is available.  Most BIOS updates these days are about security patches and unlike in the "bad old days" when manual flashing of BIOS was necessary and often subject to failure, the modern executable packages are a cinch to kick off and let them do the rest.)
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall