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Re: How to copy what jaws says
Gene Warner
No it wouldn't, it's only a list of what JAWS has said.
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For controls that appear as graphics you could try the graphics labeler in JAWS. Unfortunately I can't tell you how to use it because I've never used it myself. I will eventually some day, it's just not very high on the priority list right now. Gene... On 8/29/2022 11:58 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Out of curiosity, would this work when you're trying to reassign classes to controls that would otherwise not be spoken correctly by JAWS? For example, if a program is made with Visual Basic, and all the controls seem to be spoken as "Graphic 0", most of them seem to be rendered as "ThunderRT6UserControlDC" when in fact they could be "Left/Right Sliders", "Up/Down Sliders", "Buttons", "Edits", "Combo Boxes", "Checkboxes", and the like?On 08/29/2022 8:21 AM Gene Warner <genewarner3@...> wrote: |
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Re: How to copy what jaws says
Annabelle Susan Morison
Out of curiosity, would this work when you're trying to reassign classes to controls that would otherwise not be spoken correctly by JAWS? For example, if a program is made with Visual Basic, and all the controls seem to be spoken as "Graphic 0", most of them seem to be rendered as "ThunderRT6UserControlDC" when in fact they could be "Left/Right Sliders", "Up/Down Sliders", "Buttons", "Edits", "Combo Boxes", "Checkboxes", and the like?
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Re: stop update
Karen Reynolds
The sad thing is that updates are often blamed as being bad, when in reality, often there is a change in the way the OS works. Windows over the years has added and removed features. Some people thing the update is bad because they suddenly can't do something they could before the update. It most likely means windows removed that feature.
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I live with a tech who has been one for 35+ years, working on networks. Security, privacy, etc are all critical. I applaud Apple for sending out their most recent update. It now should prevent someone from taking over my phone when it is not in their physical possession. They could have waited until their new version comes out next month, but they took security seriously and sent it out now, rather than just including it as part of the yearly update to a new version. For me, automatic updates are on, no exceptions. I try to learn to do things in at least two ways in case the OS company decides to remove the feature I am using. And I practice them. For the person who does not want automatic updates at all. My husband has a solution. Two computers, both running the same thing, same OS, same everything. One is a test and has automatic updates turned on. The other is the production computer and has automatic updates turned off, but downloads the updates so they are ready to install. As soon as an update is available, the person has to check the test computer to see if it all works. Then they have to update the production computer. This is a lot of work and a lot of time spent that isn't necessary. Most of the time by the time we get the update, it has gone through beta. If something breaks on our end, it is because we have set something odd on our computer, which is why I am careful about changing settings. In all the years I've had a computer, I've seen one buggy update and the solution came out quickly. I think it was around the turn of the century. That was many years ago. Considering how "new" computers are to the universe, we have come a long way. Given all the thieves in the world, I would rather have my computer and phone update as soon as one comes out. I sent a link earlier in the year that lists the vulnerabilities for operating systems. If one is a zero day, I want the update now and installed now. The way to get that is automatic updates. I am not going to sit on my computer all day and watch for updates. I have loads of other things to do. Off to do them. <smile> Karen -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 10:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: stop update I guess I'm in the minority then. I've not had the problems some have had with the updates either with windows or IOS. Sometimes I think people complain because they can, or, there is something else going on and the update is blamed. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English Sent: August 29, 2022 6:35 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: stop update Hi Brian, IOS doesn't have automatic updates. If I don't want to update to the latest version of IOS, as I often don't given how often accessibility bugs are reported, I can wait until they're fixed. This is not the case with windows, where updates are installed whether the user wants them or not. - James On 8/29/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: It never, ever seems to strike anyone as odd, in any way, that we do |
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Re: How to copy what jaws says
Gene Warner
You can do this by accessing the speech history. To do this press the JAWS key plus the space bar to get into layered mode, then press H to access the speech history. There you will find a list of the last 500 lines of speech JAWS said. It's basically like a text box in that you can navigate through characters, words, and lines. You can select the xt you want then copy it to the clipboard to paste somewhere else.
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Have fun! Gene... On 8/29/2022 7:59 AM, Mark Torgerson wrote:
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How to copy what jaws says
Mark Torgerson
Hi
Some time ago I heard it is possible to copy what jaws reads to the clip board. How does one do this. Thank you. I look forward to hearing from you. Peace be with you, Rev. Mark Torgerson My FB page, https://www.facebook.com/revmarkt/ |
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Re: Dropbox navigation
Klaus Vielhauer
Hello Mike,
I am running Windows-10 and Jaws with latest updates. Greetings Klaus |
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Re: stop update
On Mon, Aug 29, 2022 at 09:56 AM, Loy wrote:
You do have automatic updates if you choose in IOS. And you do have a choice in Windows to postpone updates.- Every OS in existence these days (that's not an antique, I don't count things like people still running XP) has automatic updates on by default. This has been the case for decades, and most do not give you the option to turn them off. Windows will not apply most cumulative updates, and any feature updates, until one of two things happens: 1. The user grants permission. 2. The user has refused permission for so long that the specific version of Windows they are using is going out of support. Fully automatic updates for things other than "Patch Tuesday" patches and security updates has been a thing of the past for quite a while now. One of the most critical things to update are operating systems. That's a fact. And anyone who believes that the only security updates to Windows, or any other OS, are only those announced as such is kidding themselves. Security patches are often part of cumulative and feature updates. And, with this post, I am going to bow out. There have been plenty of words to the wise, and to avoid OS updates for fear of a "bad update" is the very definition of foolhardy. And if you don't have a backup protocol in place, get one. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. |
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Re: stop update
David Diamond
I guess I'm in the minority then. I've not had the problems some have had with the updates either with windows or IOS. Sometimes I think people complain because they can, or, there is something else going on and the update is blamed.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English Sent: August 29, 2022 6:35 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: stop update Hi Brian, IOS doesn't have automatic updates. If I don't want to update to the latest version of IOS, as I often don't given how often accessibility bugs are reported, I can wait until they're fixed. This is not the case with windows, where updates are installed whether the user wants them or not. - James On 8/29/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: It never, ever seems to strike anyone as odd, in any way, that we do |
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Re: stop update
Loy
You do have automatic updates if you choose in IOS. And you do have a choice in Windows to postpone updates.
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From: "James English" <james13english@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 9:35 AM Subject: Re: stop update Hi Brian, IOS doesn't have automatic updates. If I don't want to update to the latest version of IOS, as I often don't given how often accessibility bugs are reported, I can wait until they're fixed. This is not the case with windows, where updates are installed whether the user wants them or not. - James On 8/29/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: It never, ever seems to strike anyone as odd, in any way, that we do not |
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Re: stop update
James English
Hi Brian,
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IOS doesn't have automatic updates. If I don't want to update to the latest version of IOS, as I often don't given how often accessibility bugs are reported, I can wait until they're fixed. This is not the case with windows, where updates are installed whether the user wants them or not. - James On 8/29/22, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
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Re: stop update
It never, ever seems to strike anyone as odd, in any way, that we do not hear this inanity about automatic updates about any OS other than Windows.
When and if I ever hear someone saying this about MacOS, iOS, Android, or any one of the many Linux distros then we can talk about logical consistency. Until then, it's an irrational fear not borne out by decades of work in the computing field. The disastrous update is, for the most part, an urban myth. It's not that they never, ever happen, but they are extremely infrequent. And the solution to that is not avoiding updates, but by taking routine backups. Your computer can fail for a variety of reasons, and almost all are more common than "the bad update." If you don't have a backup protocol in place, and follow it, then the clock is ticking, and now in the age of SSDs far more than it was for the last several decades of HDDs, which were easier to do recovery from in the event of drive failure than SSDs are. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. |
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Re: Dropbox navigation
Mike B.
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Hi Again Klaus,
Since you can't access your preferences I suggest you try
this little program called Speak Dropbox. It provides access to Dropbox
folder, preferences and settings with it's own built in keystroke.
Check it out below.
SpeakDropbox is a lightweight application that runs on
the system tray and looks for a Dropbox icon in the ssystem tray.
If found, it watches the tool tip text for that icon and can automatically read it out loud or play sounds when there is a change to the tool tip text. As a result, SpeakDropbox is able to announce out loud or
produce alert noises when the Dropbox app is up to something like downloading a
file, uploading a file, indexing, connecting, downloading file list, etc. Additionally, it allows for manual checking of the tool tip text from anywhere with a configurable keystroke (especially useful when using sounds only and wanting to find out what Dropbox is up to when you hear one of the sounds), and a double press provides an easy way to open the Dropbox menu from anywhere without the need of using "system tray listing" functionality in your screen reader or simulating a click on the Dropbox tray icon. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message -----
From: Klaus Vielhauer
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: Dropbox navigation thanks for the response. the file in Question does not show up in my desktop app nor in Dropbox.com.filelist The file (the name ist probably samsung t5) is shown on my wifes IPad in the list of recen action list - but this is just a list that does not allow deletion. Any search for "samsung" in Dropbox has no results. On my desktop app app I am not able to go anywhere except the dropbox filelist and manipulate files. I cannot reach the area where "settings, account, backup etc are located. The dropbox helpdesc suggests the cause is a unintented backup file and I schould go to settings and backup - but how to accomplish this? Klaus |
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Re: Dropbox navigation
Mike B.
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Hi Klaus,
What operating system are you running?
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message -----
From: Klaus Vielhauer
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2022 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: Dropbox navigation thanks for the response. the file in Question does not show up in my desktop app nor in Dropbox.com.filelist The file (the name ist probably samsung t5) is shown on my wifes IPad in the list of recen action list - but this is just a list that does not allow deletion. Any search for "samsung" in Dropbox has no results. On my desktop app app I am not able to go anywhere except the dropbox filelist and manipulate files. I cannot reach the area where "settings, account, backup etc are located. The dropbox helpdesc suggests the cause is a unintented backup file and I schould go to settings and backup - but how to accomplish this? Klaus |
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Accessible Project Management App?
Zel Iscel
Hi Listers,
Is there a good, accessible app for project management?
Cheers Zel
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Re: stop update
James English
Hi,
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I must agree with Gene here. Automatic updates without the ability for the end user to pick and choose are not something I can ever be in favour of, and the completely inflexible approach that microsoft uses just seems counterproductive to me. You can either have all the updates, which you may or may not want, or if you know what you're doing you can have none of the updates. Personally I would choose to only have security updates and pick and choose what else I get (such as the one which makes internet explorer stop working.) - James K-E On 8/29/22, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:
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Re: Dropbox navigation
Klaus Vielhauer
Hello Mike,
thanks for the response. the file in Question does not show up in my desktop app nor in Dropbox.com.filelist The file (the name ist probably samsung t5) is shown on my wifes IPad in the list of recen action list - but this is just a list that does not allow deletion. Any search for "samsung" in Dropbox has no results. On my desktop app app I am not able to go anywhere except the dropbox filelist and manipulate files. I cannot reach the area where "settings, account, backup etc are located. The dropbox helpdesc suggests the cause is a unintented backup file and I schould go to settings and backup - but how to accomplish this? Klaus |
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Re: stop update
David Diamond
I go all the way back to XP and have never had any problems. Perhaps I'm blessed. I know when 10 first came out some waited till it was downloaded even if it took months before MS downloaded it. Then of course the download happened at a inopportune time, while he was going to travel on the bus to another town.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: August 28, 2022 5:36 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: stop update At the end of the day, exactly! It is my computer, not Microsoft's, it is my right to choose what goes on it and what does not. Gene... On 8/28/2022 8:29 PM, Howard Traxler wrote: Well, it's my computer! I think that means it's mine to do with as I |
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Re: stop update
Fred
I bet I could... your name in the sand!
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On 8/28/2022 8:45 PM, Loy wrote:
Well, How do you determan which updates to install or not to install? |
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Re: stop update
Loy
Well, How do you determan which updates to install or not to install?
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From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 8:01 PM Subject: Re: stop update It will be very interesting to see your thoughts on the subject do a very quick 180 after you've had to deal with an update that does major harm to your system that you can't stop from being installed except to disable the update service. |
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Re: stop update
Gene Warner
At the end of the day, exactly! It is my computer, not Microsoft's, it is my right to choose what goes on it and what does not.
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Gene... On 8/28/2022 8:29 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Well, it's my computer! I think that means it's mine to do with as I wish; or to not do with as I don't wish. |
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