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Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Shannon
 

Tom,

 

I am so sorry to keep pestering.

I did what you said, I opened excel, insert 0 and found that section in the script.

What you wrote is exactly what it already says.

Which part do we change to reverse the information?

 

I have no idea at all what the  ! () && have to do with anything so I don’t know what it is that I need to change.

It mentions something about verbosity set to  readCellContentsAndCoordinates Which is the default choice  

 

Do we need to find the Verbosity script to change that to say readCellCoordinatesANDContents

Or is that what I need to do right here in this section you pointed out?

 

 

Thanks a lot

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 1:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Ok,  I will give this a go.

 

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “Script SayCell()” with out the quotes

Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the following

 

Script SayCell()

If OnSpreadSheet()

&& !OnFormulaBar() then

   SayCell()

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

      SayActiveCellCoordinates()

   Endif

EndIf

EndScript

 

You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so that it is before

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

 

That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the file.

When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up any new or modified scripts.

To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter S.  Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close the script manager. 

Your changes will take effect immediately.

 

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good to go.

 

Regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up first, that would be very useful.

 

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey with this.

 

Richard

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change it.  Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example. 

regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.  Below is the script

 

Script SayCell()

If OnSpreadSheet()

&& !OnFormulaBar() then

   SayCell()

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

      SayActiveCellCoordinates()

   Endif

;  SayCell()

EndIf

EndScript

 

I commented out the line

   SayCell()

And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if” statement as shown above

 

Regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

 

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced settings of the verbosity settings?

 

Thanks again

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my coordinates speak after the data.

 

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow to the formulas tab.

2.  down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3.  Hit enter.

4.  Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5.  Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6.  tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title.  As you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1                     there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

 

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one of the voices is doing this.  It is the same one that says the status of a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied.  And gives the erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of 44.)

2                     I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3      How to make the entire first row  column headers and have it only report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the same column.

Thanks

Shannon


Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Dave,

Perhaps you should make sure you are responding after reading all the latest messages in the thread.

 

Richard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 11:41 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Richard,

 

Tom gave all the specifics you need...or you should not mess with it. Your choice. Life is dull without trying new things.

 

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 09:44

Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up first, that would be very useful.

 

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey with this.

 

Richard

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change it.  Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example. 

regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.  Below is the script

 

Script SayCell()

If OnSpreadSheet()

&& !OnFormulaBar() then

   SayCell()

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

      SayActiveCellCoordinates()

   Endif

;  SayCell()

EndIf

EndScript

 

I commented out the line

   SayCell()

And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if” statement as shown above

 

Regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

 

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced settings of the verbosity settings?

 

Thanks again

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my coordinates speak after the data.

 

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow to the formulas tab.

2.  down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3.  Hit enter.

4.  Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5.  Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6.  tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title.  As you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1                     there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

 

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one of the voices is doing this.  It is the same one that says the status of a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied.  And gives the erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of 44.)

2                     I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3      How to make the entire first row  column headers and have it only report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the same column.

Thanks

Shannon


Outlook Calendar and Jaws

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

AS someone who is having to make the switch from Window-Eyes to Jaws, one of the things I most valued with Window-Eyes was the ability to use a hotkey to pop up the Outlook Calendar in a separate window so I could alt-tab between my inbox and the calendar.

 

Does Jaws have anyway to do this? 

 

 

Thanks,

Richard

 


Accessible appointment calendar

Maria Campbell
 

I'm looking for an accessible appointment calendar that has an alarm system as well. I had a talking clock program and something called anytime deluxe that worked beautifully with Windows 7 but won't work with Windows 10. My Thunderbird email program calendar doesn't seem to fit the bill. Thanks for any suggestions.


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Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

Hi Richard,  the line you refer to is called an “if” statement.  What it doing is checking your settings to check whether you want the coordinates to be announced.

All we are doing here is changing the order in which jaws is announcing the information. 

So it is    SayCell() to announce the cell content

Then it checks your settings if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

Then it will announce       SayActiveCellCoordinates() based on your settings. 

 

Hope this helps

 

Regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Thanks Tom, this kind of makes sense.  Though, and remember I’m not a programmer, but does the line that says “   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then”

Still tell it to read the contents first, or is that overridden by the line: “             SayActiveCellCoordinates()”?

 

Thanks for your patient tutoring.

 

Richard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Ok,  I will give this a go.

 

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “Script SayCell()” with out the quotes

Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the following

 

Script SayCell()

If OnSpreadSheet()

&& !OnFormulaBar() then

   SayCell()

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

      SayActiveCellCoordinates()

   Endif

EndIf

EndScript

 

You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so that it is before

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

 

That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the file.

When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up any new or modified scripts.

To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter S.  Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close the script manager. 

Your changes will take effect immediately.

 

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good to go.

 

Regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up first, that would be very useful.

 

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey with this.

 

Richard

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change it.  Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example. 

regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.  Below is the script

 

Script SayCell()

If OnSpreadSheet()

&& !OnFormulaBar() then

   SayCell()

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

      SayActiveCellCoordinates()

   Endif

;  SayCell()

EndIf

EndScript

 

I commented out the line

   SayCell()

And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if” statement as shown above

 

Regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

 

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced settings of the verbosity settings?

 

Thanks again

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my coordinates speak after the data.

 

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow to the formulas tab.

2.  down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3.  Hit enter.

4.  Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5.  Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6.  tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title.  As you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1                     there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

 

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one of the voices is doing this.  It is the same one that says the status of a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied.  And gives the erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of 44.)

2                     I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3      How to make the entire first row  column headers and have it only report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the same column.

Thanks

Shannon


Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Dave...
 


Richard,
 
Tom gave all the specifics you need...or you should not mess with it. Your choice. Life is dull without trying new things.
 
Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 09:44
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up first, that would be very useful.

 

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey with this.

 

Richard

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change it.  Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example. 

regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.  Below is the script

 

Script SayCell()

If OnSpreadSheet()

&& !OnFormulaBar() then

   SayCell()

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

      SayActiveCellCoordinates()

   Endif

;  SayCell()

EndIf

EndScript

 

I commented out the line

   SayCell()

And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if” statement as shown above

 

Regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

 

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced settings of the verbosity settings?

 

Thanks again

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my coordinates speak after the data.

 

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow to the formulas tab.

2.  down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3.  Hit enter.

4.  Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5.  Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6.  tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title.  As you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1                     there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

 

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one of the voices is doing this.  It is the same one that says the status of a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied.  And gives the erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of 44.)

2                     I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3      How to make the entire first row  column headers and have it only report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the same column.

Thanks

Shannon


Re: High performance all in one computers and JAWS

Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
 

According to PCWorld, those latest Intel chips can fly.  By now, the new AMD’s should be available too, so now is a good time to be in the market.  A builder I know is  high on AMD, and I’ve used one for 3.5 years, and really like it.

 

Ted

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 1:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: High performance all in one computers and JAWS

 

Are you looking for a laptop or desktop? The term “high performance” is to me vague, most gaming laptops are considered high performance but don’t necessarily have features useful for business. I think you should simply look for a computer with a Kaby Lake processor, make sure it has enough RAM (probably 16 Gb is plenty) and if you want the best and fastest performance get one with a good SSD or have one put in such as one of the newest 512 Gb Intel SSD’s.

I bought an Asus 15.6 Zenbook laptop last fall which here in Canada was about $1,900, it’s got an I7 Sky Lake processor (Kaby Lake was still very new then), it came with 16 GB of the latest RAM and a high performance 512 Gb SSD. It also has a full keyboard with numeric pad which is something I need since I never got used to the laptop layout for Jaws partly because I have hand injuries and it’s harder for me to use. It also does have a 4K touch screen display which I was very curious about, but I virtually never use it since mostly I use a Logitech external wireless keyboard with my laptop sitting in the office and I’m wherever I want to be since I can put the autio anywhere I chose in my house via Sonos.

It also has USB-C ports all in all it’s a beautiful laptop and I’m very happy with especially since I can easily get 7 to 10 hours of battery life depending on what I do. I guess if I were constantly streaming video from the Internet it might be less, but that is not how I use my laptop when it’s on battery. Usually when that happens I’m at a trade show where I may take notes, look up inventory or use Excel and stuff like that.

If you want a desktop I’d seriously look at some of the HP Elite mini PC’s, I bought two of these earlier this year, one with an I5 and one with an I7 processor and while they still came with a regular hard drive and preinstalled with Windows 7 Professional via a Windows 10 downgrade license, they are very nice machines. What I really like is that they have a built-in speaker, it isn’t a super good quality one for music and stuff, but not bad for Jaws so essentially if you want something you can take along these are pretty cool as long as you can plug into power and don’t mind bringing a keyboard since of course they don’t run on a battery, but even with power supply they are probably half the size of a 15 inch laptop. They are designed as business desktops, I put 16 Gb of RAM into the I7 model, but I think it might even take up to 32 Gb. Even upgraded with an SSD these would here in Canada only be about $1,000 to $1,200 depending on how much RAM you put in and how big an SSD you want to put in.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kimberlyjohnson95@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: High performance all in one computers and JAWS

 

I’m a long-time JAWS user, though certainly not an expert or programmer. I am totally blind. I need to upgrade both JAWS (currently running version 16 on Windows 8 computers) and get a new computer. When I last got new computers I avoided the touch screen by customizing both a desktop and a laptop. I am looking for information on how JAWS is doing with these PCs with touch screens, does it work at all? If not, can they be disabled?  And how much sighted assistance I might need out of the box with a new PC to get things up and running?

I’m not sure what kind of computer I’m going to get; I’m shopping now, but it will be a high performance, capacity computer. I’m a professional who probably uses my computer about 12 hours per day, or more. In addition to the usual entertainment purposes, I use MS Office continuously, Online learning management software, and I analyze data using large datasets in SAS, STATA or SPSS (depending upon what features of accessibility and computing I need at the time). In other words, I tend to melt down or crash your average computer with the specks generally recommended for JAWS users within 3 months, so I tend to go way up scale with a better processer and large amounts of memory. However, I’ve found with high performance computers out of the box I have difficulties with JAWS; for example they are set up for surround sound or have some kind of screen setting and JAWS will not work until I can find a sighted person to customize the sound or other settings for me.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a high performance computer that will work well with JAWS? Any suggestions on where I can get quick, useful, information about how JAWS is performing with all-in-one touch screen enabled computers?

 

 

 

  


Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Thanks Tom, this kind of makes sense.  Though, and remember I’m not a programmer, but does the line that says “   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then”

Still tell it to read the contents first, or is that overridden by the line: “             SayActiveCellCoordinates()”?

 

Thanks for your patient tutoring.

 

Richard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Ok,  I will give this a go.

 

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “Script SayCell()” with out the quotes

Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the following

 

Script SayCell()

If OnSpreadSheet()

&& !OnFormulaBar() then

   SayCell()

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

      SayActiveCellCoordinates()

   Endif

EndIf

EndScript

 

You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so that it is before

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

 

That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the file.

When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up any new or modified scripts.

To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter S.  Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close the script manager. 

Your changes will take effect immediately.

 

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good to go.

 

Regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up first, that would be very useful.

 

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey with this.

 

Richard

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change it.  Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example. 

regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.  Below is the script

 

Script SayCell()

If OnSpreadSheet()

&& !OnFormulaBar() then

   SayCell()

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

      SayActiveCellCoordinates()

   Endif

;  SayCell()

EndIf

EndScript

 

I commented out the line

   SayCell()

And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if” statement as shown above

 

Regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

 

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced settings of the verbosity settings?

 

Thanks again

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my coordinates speak after the data.

 

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow to the formulas tab.

2.  down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3.  Hit enter.

4.  Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5.  Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6.  tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title.  As you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1                     there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

 

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one of the voices is doing this.  It is the same one that says the status of a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied.  And gives the erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of 44.)

2                     I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3      How to make the entire first row  column headers and have it only report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the same column.

Thanks

Shannon


Re: Programming Language

Mario
 

JAWS includes a programming language that allows it to be customized to
work with any Windows application. This programming language is commonly
referred to as JAWS Scripting and is a programming language that is
proprietary to JAWS. It is sometimes called JSL.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 1:54 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Programming Language

I'm not a programmer, but I thought Jaws had a proprietary programming
language that you have to use to program for Jaws?

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Soronel Haetir
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

No, accessibility is not particularly dependent upon the programming
language used. For windows I would suggest starting with a .net
language like c# or vb.net and using the Windows Forms project type
(it is older and no longer recommended but it produces accessible
programs with basically no additional work on the part of the
programmer unlike the newer Windows Presentation Foundation which
requires that the programmer remember to implement the ToString
function especially). I have even seen plenty of programs from MS
where this basic step was missed.

On 6/6/17, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi, it's Annabelle.
How would I design an app that can be fully recognized by screenreaders
like
JAWS? Is there a specific programming language I may have to learn? I could
be wrong, but isn't there a specific set of language codes that should be
implemented, like how JAWS recognizes the browser of the Windows Operating
Systems, for example, that which is found within Windows Explorer? I'd like
to try the C++ Programming Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus
Johnson, but I'm not sure how to configure codes for things like buttons,
checkboxes, listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just
write these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this
one!


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Re: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

Ok,  I will give this a go.

 

Open excel

Then open the script manager using jawsKey and zero on the number row

This will bring up the excel scripts in the script manager

Then do a search using control F searching for “Script SayCell()” with out the quotes

Here is where you can make the modification so that is reads like the following

 

Script SayCell()

If OnSpreadSheet()

&& !OnFormulaBar() then

   SayCell()

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

      SayActiveCellCoordinates()

   Endif

EndIf

EndScript

 

You will see that I just moved the line Script SayCell() up 3 lines so that it is before

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

 

That is the only change needed but now you need to compile and save the file.

When you open the jaws script manager using JawsKey and zero Jaws automatically creates a copy of the excel scripts in your personal folder and this is where jaws looks for scripts first so it will pick up any new or modified scripts.

To invoke the compile and save you simply press control and the letter S.  Jaws will announce compile complete you can then use alt F4 to close the script manager. 

Your changes will take effect immediately.

 

If you want to back out of the changes you can go to your jaws personal folders

c:\Users\userid\AppData \Roaming \Freedom Scientific\JAWS\18.0\Settings\enu

here you can delete the excel.jsb and excel.jss files and you are good to go.

 

Regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up first, that would be very useful.

 

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey with this.

 

Richard

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change it.  Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example. 

regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.  Below is the script

 

Script SayCell()

If OnSpreadSheet()

&& !OnFormulaBar() then

   SayCell()

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

      SayActiveCellCoordinates()

   Endif

;  SayCell()

EndIf

EndScript

 

I commented out the line

   SayCell()

And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if” statement as shown above

 

Regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

 

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced settings of the verbosity settings?

 

Thanks again

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my coordinates speak after the data.

 

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow to the formulas tab.

2.  down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3.  Hit enter.

4.  Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5.  Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6.  tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title.  As you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1                     there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

 

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one of the voices is doing this.  It is the same one that says the status of a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied.  And gives the erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of 44.)

2                     I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3      How to make the entire first row  column headers and have it only report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the same column.

Thanks

Shannon


Re: Programming Language

James Homuth
 

I second this. I'm looking at dipping my toes into Python for other reasons,
and so far it looks the least likely to make me consider opening my bottle
of vodka.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: June-07-17 2:02 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

Hi,
Write scripts for JAWS, yes. The language resembles old languages such as
Pascal in syntax somewhat.
I recommend starting out with Python, as it is quite easy to learn and
follow, and some of the GUI toolkit options such as wxPython produce
accessible apps in the end.
Cheers,
Joseph
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

I'm not a programmer, but I thought Jaws had a proprietary programming
language that you have to use to program for Jaws?

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel
Haetir
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

No, accessibility is not particularly dependent upon the programming
language used. For windows I would suggest starting with a .net language
like c# or vb.net and using the Windows Forms project type (it is older and
no longer recommended but it produces accessible programs with basically no
additional work on the part of the programmer unlike the newer Windows
Presentation Foundation which requires that the programmer remember to
implement the ToString function especially). I have even seen plenty of
programs from MS where this basic step was missed.

On 6/6/17, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi, it's Annabelle.
How would I design an app that can be fully recognized by
screenreaders like JAWS? Is there a specific programming language I
may have to learn? I could be wrong, but isn't there a specific set of
language codes that should be implemented, like how JAWS recognizes
the browser of the Windows Operating Systems, for example, that which
is found within Windows Explorer? I'd like to try the C++ Programming
Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus Johnson, but I'm not
sure how to configure codes for things like buttons, checkboxes,
listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just write
these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this
one!


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Re: Programming Language

 

Hi,
Write scripts for JAWS, yes. The language resembles old languages such as Pascal in syntax somewhat.
I recommend starting out with Python, as it is quite easy to learn and follow, and some of the GUI toolkit options such as wxPython produce accessible apps in the end.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

I'm not a programmer, but I thought Jaws had a proprietary programming language that you have to use to program for Jaws?

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

No, accessibility is not particularly dependent upon the programming language used. For windows I would suggest starting with a .net language like c# or vb.net and using the Windows Forms project type (it is older and no longer recommended but it produces accessible programs with basically no additional work on the part of the programmer unlike the newer Windows Presentation Foundation which requires that the programmer remember to implement the ToString function especially). I have even seen plenty of programs from MS where this basic step was missed.

On 6/6/17, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi, it's Annabelle.
How would I design an app that can be fully recognized by
screenreaders like JAWS? Is there a specific programming language I
may have to learn? I could be wrong, but isn't there a specific set of
language codes that should be implemented, like how JAWS recognizes
the browser of the Windows Operating Systems, for example, that which
is found within Windows Explorer? I'd like to try the C++ Programming
Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus Johnson, but I'm not
sure how to configure codes for things like buttons, checkboxes,
listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just write
these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this
one!


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Re: High performance all in one computers and JAWS

Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
 

Are you looking for a laptop or desktop? The term “high performance” is to me vague, most gaming laptops are considered high performance but don’t necessarily have features useful for business. I think you should simply look for a computer with a Kaby Lake processor, make sure it has enough RAM (probably 16 Gb is plenty) and if you want the best and fastest performance get one with a good SSD or have one put in such as one of the newest 512 Gb Intel SSD’s.

I bought an Asus 15.6 Zenbook laptop last fall which here in Canada was about $1,900, it’s got an I7 Sky Lake processor (Kaby Lake was still very new then), it came with 16 GB of the latest RAM and a high performance 512 Gb SSD. It also has a full keyboard with numeric pad which is something I need since I never got used to the laptop layout for Jaws partly because I have hand injuries and it’s harder for me to use. It also does have a 4K touch screen display which I was very curious about, but I virtually never use it since mostly I use a Logitech external wireless keyboard with my laptop sitting in the office and I’m wherever I want to be since I can put the autio anywhere I chose in my house via Sonos.

It also has USB-C ports all in all it’s a beautiful laptop and I’m very happy with especially since I can easily get 7 to 10 hours of battery life depending on what I do. I guess if I were constantly streaming video from the Internet it might be less, but that is not how I use my laptop when it’s on battery. Usually when that happens I’m at a trade show where I may take notes, look up inventory or use Excel and stuff like that.

If you want a desktop I’d seriously look at some of the HP Elite mini PC’s, I bought two of these earlier this year, one with an I5 and one with an I7 processor and while they still came with a regular hard drive and preinstalled with Windows 7 Professional via a Windows 10 downgrade license, they are very nice machines. What I really like is that they have a built-in speaker, it isn’t a super good quality one for music and stuff, but not bad for Jaws so essentially if you want something you can take along these are pretty cool as long as you can plug into power and don’t mind bringing a keyboard since of course they don’t run on a battery, but even with power supply they are probably half the size of a 15 inch laptop. They are designed as business desktops, I put 16 Gb of RAM into the I7 model, but I think it might even take up to 32 Gb. Even upgraded with an SSD these would here in Canada only be about $1,000 to $1,200 depending on how much RAM you put in and how big an SSD you want to put in.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of kimberlyjohnson95@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:22 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: High performance all in one computers and JAWS

 

I’m a long-time JAWS user, though certainly not an expert or programmer. I am totally blind. I need to upgrade both JAWS (currently running version 16 on Windows 8 computers) and get a new computer. When I last got new computers I avoided the touch screen by customizing both a desktop and a laptop. I am looking for information on how JAWS is doing with these PCs with touch screens, does it work at all? If not, can they be disabled?  And how much sighted assistance I might need out of the box with a new PC to get things up and running?

I’m not sure what kind of computer I’m going to get; I’m shopping now, but it will be a high performance, capacity computer. I’m a professional who probably uses my computer about 12 hours per day, or more. In addition to the usual entertainment purposes, I use MS Office continuously, Online learning management software, and I analyze data using large datasets in SAS, STATA or SPSS (depending upon what features of accessibility and computing I need at the time). In other words, I tend to melt down or crash your average computer with the specks generally recommended for JAWS users within 3 months, so I tend to go way up scale with a better processer and large amounts of memory. However, I’ve found with high performance computers out of the box I have difficulties with JAWS; for example they are set up for surround sound or have some kind of screen setting and JAWS will not work until I can find a sighted person to customize the sound or other settings for me.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a high performance computer that will work well with JAWS? Any suggestions on where I can get quick, useful, information about how JAWS is performing with all-in-one touch screen enabled computers?

 

 

 

  


Re: Programming Language

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

I'm not a programmer, but I thought Jaws had a proprietary programming language that you have to use to program for Jaws?

Richard

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Programming Language

No, accessibility is not particularly dependent upon the programming
language used. For windows I would suggest starting with a .net
language like c# or vb.net and using the Windows Forms project type
(it is older and no longer recommended but it produces accessible
programs with basically no additional work on the part of the
programmer unlike the newer Windows Presentation Foundation which
requires that the programmer remember to implement the ToString
function especially). I have even seen plenty of programs from MS
where this basic step was missed.

On 6/6/17, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi, it's Annabelle.
How would I design an app that can be fully recognized by screenreaders
like
JAWS? Is there a specific programming language I may have to learn? I could
be wrong, but isn't there a specific set of language codes that should be
implemented, like how JAWS recognizes the browser of the Windows Operating
Systems, for example, that which is found within Windows Explorer? I'd like
to try the C++ Programming Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus
Johnson, but I'm not sure how to configure codes for things like buttons,
checkboxes, listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just
write these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this
one!


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Re: I found The voice that speaks cell coordinates in Excel

Gerry Ellis <gerry.ellis@...>
 

Hi,

 

As opposed to a tuber with a B. An example is a potato.

 

Tubers are enlarged structures in some plant species used as storage organs for nutrients. They are used for the plant's perennation (survival of the winter or dry months), to provide energy and nutrients for regrowth during the next growing season, and as a means of asexual reproduction.

 

 

 

 

 

Take care,

 

Gerry Ellis

 

If you don’t know where you’re going,

How will you know when you get there?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 4:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I found The voice that speaks cell coordinates in Excel

 

While we are doing a little education, here is some information from dictionaries.

Tudor with a “d” : of or relating to the English royal house that ruled from 1485 to 1603

 

Tutor with a “t”: A private instructor.

One that gives additional, special, or remedial instruction.

A teacher or teaching assistant in some universities and colleges having a rank lower than that of an instructor.

 

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 8:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I found The voice that speaks cell coordinates in Excel

 

Hi Kane,

 

Slight correction!  It's not spelled with a, D, it's spelled, T U T O R, with a, T.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 6:32 AM

Subject: Re: I found The voice that speaks cell coordinates in Excel

 

Shannon:

Just to prevent future frustration: The first word on "tutor message
voice" is spelled t u d o r, not t o o t e r, as in toot toot.  More
like "My child was struggling in math, so we got him a tutor."
Spelling this correctly will assist you or others on the list as you
attempt to get more information about this feature.

I don't mean this as a point of embarrassment, but am just attempting
to clarify.

Kind regards,

-Kane


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: High performance all in one computers and JAWS

Jason White
 

I should also note that the laptop which I purchased has a full keyboard
(including numeric keypad) in addition to the touch screen.

Kimberly Johnson <kimberlyjohnson95@comcast.net> wrote:

Thank you Jason both for the feedback and the information about the computer
you picked. It's helpful.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 10:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: High performance all in one computers and JAWS

kimberlyjohnson95@comcast.net <kimberlyjohnson95@comcast.net> wrote:
Does anyone have a recommendation for a high performance computer that
will work well with JAWS?

I use a Lenovo P50S at work (with a touch screen, which is well supported by
JAWS, to answer your earlier question about touch screens).

I just bought a Lenovo P51 with a touch screen, 32GB of memory, 1TB solid
state storage, VPRO Certified, Intel Core i7-7820HQ processor, smart card
reader. This is high performance by any reasonable standard. I won't be able
to comment further until it's delivered and I have time to work on it.







Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Mario
 

Tom, I thought of looking first but I did not find any script named
SayCell. that's why I did what I did.

if this can be done, I want to get it done because my sister who is also
blind often gets confused because the announcement of the coordinates
after the contents trips her up... and frankly, I'd messed up sometimes too.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 12:34 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change
it. Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it
because jaws will just the first one.
I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate
the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example.
regards
Tom Bisset
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Tom, I opened Excel and opened Script Manager with insert 0, went to the
end with a control+end. created a script named SayCell, and pressed enter.
then I copied the body of the script you offered and pasted it between
the script header and EndScript statements I created, and pressed
control+s to compile with no problems.

opening Excel to test it out, the cell coordinates are still announced
after the contents. I want the cell coordinates announced before the
contents. I thought that's what your script does? what did I do wrong?



-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 10:38 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.
Below is the script

Script SayCell()
If OnSpreadSheet()
&& !OnFormulaBar() then
SayCell()
if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then
SayActiveCellCoordinates()
Endif
; SayCell()
EndIf
EndScript

I commented out the line
SayCell()
And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if”
statement as shown above

Regards
Tom Bisset

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard,
Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to
hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2 I looked around and found
the spot to turn off the coordinates but not how to reverse the order of
what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced settings of the verbosity
settings?

Thanks again
Shannon
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my
coordinates speak after the data.

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:
One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow
to the formulas tab.
2. down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.
3. Hit enter.
4. Hit alt+n to create a new name.
5. Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.
6. tab to the close button and hit spacebar.
Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the
cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title. As
you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.
I hope that helps,
Richard

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,
I use spread sheets every single day.
I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am
hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1 there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell
coordinates.



I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one
of the voices is doing this. It is the same one that says the status of
a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied. And gives the
erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of
44.)

2 I don’t like hearing the contents and then the
cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3 How to make the entire first row column headers and have it only
report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the
same column.
Thanks
Shannon


Re: Programming Language

Soronel Haetir
 

No, accessibility is not particularly dependent upon the programming
language used. For windows I would suggest starting with a .net
language like c# or vb.net and using the Windows Forms project type
(it is older and no longer recommended but it produces accessible
programs with basically no additional work on the part of the
programmer unlike the newer Windows Presentation Foundation which
requires that the programmer remember to implement the ToString
function especially). I have even seen plenty of programs from MS
where this basic step was missed.

On 6/6/17, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi, it's Annabelle.
How would I design an app that can be fully recognized by screenreaders
like
JAWS? Is there a specific programming language I may have to learn? I could
be wrong, but isn't there a specific set of language codes that should be
implemented, like how JAWS recognizes the browser of the Windows Operating
Systems, for example, that which is found within Windows Explorer? I'd like
to try the C++ Programming Language, recommended to me by my friend, Markus
Johnson, but I'm not sure how to configure codes for things like buttons,
checkboxes, listboxes, comboboxes, hotkeys, and radiobuttons. Do I just
write these codes in a plain text editor like Notepad? I'm confused on this
one!


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Modifying scripts for cell coordinates, was Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Tom,

To someone who is not a programmer, or doesn’t know the first thing about programming, this still is not terribly useful.

If you could give file names and specific instructions how to do this without screwing up the original scripts or how to safely back them up first, that would be very useful.

 

Or, maybe those of us who are completely clueless shouldn’t even monkey with this.

 

Richard

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 9:35 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change it.  Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it because jaws will just the first one.

I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example. 

regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2017 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.  Below is the script

 

Script SayCell()

If OnSpreadSheet()

&& !OnFormulaBar() then

   SayCell()

   if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then

      SayActiveCellCoordinates()

   Endif

;  SayCell()

EndIf

EndScript

 

I commented out the line

   SayCell()

And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if” statement as shown above

 

Regards

Tom Bisset

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Richard,

Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

 

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2

I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced settings of the verbosity settings?

 

Thanks again

Shannon

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my coordinates speak after the data.

 

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:

One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow to the formulas tab.

2.  down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.

3.  Hit enter.

4.  Hit alt+n to create a new name.

5.  Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.

6.  tab to the close button and hit spacebar.

Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title.  As you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.

I hope that helps,

Richard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

 

Hi all,

I use spread sheets every single day.

I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1                     there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell coordinates.

 

I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one of the voices is doing this.  It is the same one that says the status of a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied.  And gives the erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of 44.)

2                     I don’t like hearing the contents and then the cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3      How to make the entire first row  column headers and have it only report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the same column.

Thanks

Shannon


Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Bissett, Tom <tom.bissett@...>
 

This wasn't a new script but which script to change and how to change it. Adding a new script by the same name at the end won't fix it because jaws will just the first one.
I should have been more descriptive and said that you needed to locate the existing script and make the modification as shown in the example.
regards
Tom Bisset

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Tom, I opened Excel and opened Script Manager with insert 0, went to the end with a control+end. created a script named SayCell, and pressed enter.
then I copied the body of the script you offered and pasted it between the script header and EndScript statements I created, and pressed
control+s to compile with no problems.

opening Excel to test it out, the cell coordinates are still announced after the contents. I want the cell coordinates announced before the contents. I thought that's what your script does? what did I do wrong?



-------- Original Message --------
From: Bissett, Tom [mailto:tom.bissett@bmo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Jun 7, 2017 10:38 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

The only way I can find to change the order is by changing the script.
Below is the script

Script SayCell()
If OnSpreadSheet()
&& !OnFormulaBar() then
SayCell()
if CellReadingVerbosity() == readCellContentsAndCoordinates then
SayActiveCellCoordinates()
Endif
; SayCell()
EndIf
EndScript

I commented out the line
SayCell()
And copied it And pasted it in the script just above the third “if”
statement as shown above

Regards
Tom Bisset

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 3:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Richard,
Thank you, Do I have to do this for every spread sheet.?

I want to hear the coordenants before the contents not after. I want to hear A2, meadows plaza not Meadows plaza A2 I looked around and found the spot to turn off the coordinates but not how to reverse the order of what is spoken. Is this one of the advanced settings of the verbosity settings?

Thanks again
Shannon
From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

I can help you with the column headers, but I’m not sure why my coordinates speak after the data.

To set the column headers to read the way you want do the following:
One, Go to a1 and tap the alt key to bring up the upper ribbon and arrow to the formulas tab.
2. down arrow to the lower ribbon and right arrow to the Define Names tab.
3. Hit enter.
4. Hit alt+n to create a new name.
5. Write the word “title” without the quotes and hit enter.
6. tab to the close button and hit spacebar.
Now, when you arrow down a column, it will speak the contents of the cell, but if you right arrow or tab, you will hear the column title. As you down arrow, you will also hear the row title.
I hope that helps,
Richard

From: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shannon
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Excel bothers me How to customize it?

Hi all,
I use spread sheets every single day.
I have opened an excel sheet and when I am arrowing through it I am hearing things that are just…. Yucky!

1 there is this annoying voice that speaks the cell
coordinates.



I have futzed around with the voices so what I don’t know is which one of the voices is doing this. It is the same one that says the status of a message in Outlook un-read, forwarded and replied. And gives the erroneous indexes of the messages. (for some reason it always gives x of
44.)

2 I don’t like hearing the contents and then the
cell coordinates after.

I want to reverse the order. How can I do that?

3 How to make the entire first row column headers and have it only
report when I change columns? I don’t want to hear it when I stay in the same column.
Thanks
Shannon