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moderated Re: Question on deleting old email list addresses.

 

More detail is needed, as in what email client or webmail interface.

You absolutely can do this, but the how is entirely dependent on the where.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

 

On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 11:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
way before emojis became fashionable
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Oh, for those long lost days!   I have only ever used emoticons very sparingly, as I've generally been able to carry off snark, sarcasm, and irony without them.

Emojis are something I do not think I've ever used except as an embellishment in a text message, e.g., adding a birthday cake to a happy birthday message.  I despise the things with a burning passion overall (not that anyone else needs to, that's just me).
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

 

I did know this given my computer background goes back to way before emojis became fashionable, but I have gotten used to people using actual emojis which Jaws reads as "Smiley Face" instead of ;-)  and being in a bit of a hurry when I read and answered I missed this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

Hi again Sieghard. The use of the symbols ;-) denote a sarcastic smiley face. That's what Brian was trying to get across. When he said, "Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations," He is poking fun at people who are like ostriches with their heads in the sand, and who, despite overwhelming facts to the contrary, believe what they want to, no matter how unreasonable their assertion may be.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I don't quite get your point, you say what I say is untrue but you also say the days when Captcha's are inaccessible are mostly gone which is what I said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.

-
Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Question on deleting old email list addresses.

Albert Cutolo
 

Good morning everyone, 

 

Is their a way too delete either some or a few email addresses that are in your contacts list, of email lists that are no longer around, or may have changed to a different email address? If so, how is this process accomplished.

 

Thanks in advance, Al    


moderated Re: Download alerts with Edge

Bill White
 

Hi again, Joseph. If you want to hear Edge alerts for downloads, once you have pressed ENTER on a download link, press CONTROL plus J to take you to the downloads section. After you have pressed CONTROL plus J, you will once again hear your download alerts.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Download alerts with Edge

 

Hi all:

 

I have the latest JAWS and my Windows 10 updates are current.

 

When I run Edge, and I download a file, JAWS now does not repeat download status.

 

In the past, this has been annoying, at times, because those alerts interrupt any other speech.  But, it am now unaware if/when a download finishes.

 

I found that the alerts are still spoken with Chrome.

 

Anyone else have this problem?

 

Thanks!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: Download alerts with Edge

Bill White
 

Hi, Joseph. For a long time, I have been using Download Sound, which is an AddOn for Chrome, and if you check "Allow Extensions from Other Stores, under Settings and More>Extensions, you can add Download Sound to Microsoft Edge. This way, I always know when a download has completed. Also, Download Sound gives you a notification if the download failed or was successful.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Norton
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 4:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Download alerts with Edge

 

Hi all:

 

I have the latest JAWS and my Windows 10 updates are current.

 

When I run Edge, and I download a file, JAWS now does not repeat download status.

 

In the past, this has been annoying, at times, because those alerts interrupt any other speech.  But, it am now unaware if/when a download finishes.

 

I found that the alerts are still spoken with Chrome.

 

Anyone else have this problem?

 

Thanks!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: capsha

Hope Williamson <webspinner@...>
 

I rarely run into a CAPTCHA that doesn't have an audio option. The one I did run into a few days ago let you bypass the challenge with an accessibility cookie. That one's called hCAPTCHA. Other than that, I haven't run into one that doesn't in a long, long while.

On 4/25/2021 1:39 AM, paul lemm via groups.io wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

For anyone having trouble with Capsha’s, although not a perfect solution, there is always Aira or be my eyes, you can call them and have them help you solve the capsha for you. both services are available on most smart phones, so you show the agent your screen and the visual capsha, they can then tell you what to type. with Aira they can even connect directly too your PC through team viewer and solve the capsha for you. Again, I appreciate in an ideal world  that we shouldn’t need to rely on a third party  service and all capsha’s should automatically have an audio option, but sadly that isn’t the case. I also totally appreciate just how frustrating it is to come across a Capsha without an audio option or if the audio is too difficult to understand, as mentioned previously I know Be my eyes and Aira aren’t a perfect solution, but I just wanted to share details about the services to anyone who didn’t already know about the two companies, as a possible work around when people encounter inaccessible capsha’s. Be my eyes is free, Aira although a subscription service, in a lot of countries they offer 1 free five minute call a day for non-subscribed members, which comes in really handy for the odd capsha which you need help with to solve.

 

Paul Lemm

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Melissa Stott
Sent: 25 April 2021 05:48
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I too have trouble with the audio challenges.  I wear hearing aids, and it is usually very difficult to understand half of what’s being said.

 

                                                                Melissa

 

From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

 

Randy Barnett


On Apr 24, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021Well it's great you can figure them out most of th well it's great you can figure them out most of the time but for many of us blind people actually have to use them I don't have a choice it's really really a sore subject for us. I'm not the only one who has trouble with the audio challenges most of us do… at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

Behringer you have to register first. And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.

-
By the way, you should scream bloody murder at them over this.  They actually use BotDetect CAPTCHA, which follows accessibility practices outlined by WCAG and Section 508, but Behringer has elected to omit the button to speak/announce the CAPTCHA text.  If you (or anyone) wants to play with BotDetect CAPTCHAs then go to the BotDetect CAPTCHA Demo Page, which does include both the Change the CAPTCHA Code and Speak the CAPTCHA Code buttons.  These are built-in features that, from all appearances, Behringer (or I should say community.musictribe.com, since that's the actual site Behringer is using for their account registry) has intentionally removed that button from the CAPTCHA.

I sometimes have to change the captcha code if there are several sound-alike letters right in a row in a given code, but when there are not I can get the code on the first (usually) or second listening, depending on the length of the CAPTCHA itself, without having seen those characters.  It also depends on exactly which Sound Style is being used, too.  To listen to those, go to the BotDetect Accessibility Demand for Audio CAPTCHA page, and search for the link entitled, Dispatch.  It's the first sound style in a series of 12, and some of them are much easier for me to understand than others are (which I'm sure is the general idea).  When I change the CAPTCHA code on the demo page it generally has a different sound style than the last one did, but not absolutely always. 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 


moderated Download alerts with Edge

Joseph Norton
 

Hi all:

 

I have the latest JAWS and my Windows 10 updates are current.

 

When I run Edge, and I download a file, JAWS now does not repeat download status.

 

In the past, this has been annoying, at times, because those alerts interrupt any other speech.  But, it am now unaware if/when a download finishes.

 

I found that the alerts are still spoken with Chrome.

 

Anyone else have this problem?

 

Thanks!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


moderated Re: JAWS 2021 - Version And ILM Key Being Announced When List Of Links Is being Displayed.

Patricia
 

I think this is a bug. I see this happening too. Never thought to
report it because it's so minor, but I guess it should be. I'm sure we
aren't the only ones who have noticed.

Best,

Patricia

On 4/24/21, Mark Fisher <fishsilv@iinet.net.au> wrote:
Hi All

I've noticed in the last few days that every time I bring up a list of
links, headings etc, JAWS is speaking "JAWS Version 2021.2103.174 ILM" Not
sure if I've hit some random key stroke to turn this on. I have been running
this version for a couple of weeks and this only started on Thursday. Any
suggestions appreciated?

Mark Fisher
Manager - People Systems
Water Corporation






moderated Interacting with tables in PowerPoint 2016

Patricia
 

Hi all:

Has anyone experienced this issue?

I can't seem to interact with tables (read/edit) int PowerPoint.
Haven't tried this with 365, but am currently experiencing this in
2016 running the February
update of JAWS 2021. Note: JAWS 2019 seems to behave the same way, so
I think navigation has changed and I'm unaware of it.

In the past to edit tables I would press enter on the object, JAWS
would say "edit," and thenI was free to interact with the text as I
chose. I've tried using table commands to navigate (I prefer the table
layer way of navigating), but that doesn't seem to make a difference.
Everything I've googled indicates nothing has changed from the
past, but obviously something has. The last time I've nagivated in
tables I was runnijng Windows 7, PowerPoint 2013 and JAWS 16, so a lot
of factors have changed. The joy of work machine upgrades.

Any help much appreciated.

Best,

Patricia


moderated Re: Notepad++ text editor

HH. Smith Jr.
 

Hi leonard,

 

It is. I use it for all my college work and Visual code for JavaScript.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of leonard morris
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 5:12 PM
To: jaws <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Notepad++ text editor

 

Is Notepad++ text editor accessible using Jaws 2021 and is it free? I like Jarte a lot but even when including "screen reader mode" the program is not working very well for me.


moderated Notepad++ text editor

leonard morris
 

Is Notepad++ text editor accessible using Jaws 2021 and is it free? I like Jarte a lot but even when including "screen reader mode" the program is not working very well for me.


moderated Re: capsha

Bill White
 

Hi again Sieghard. The use of the symbols ;-) denote a sarcastic smiley face. That's what Brian was trying to get across. When he said, "Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations," He is poking fun at people who are like ostriches with their heads in the sand, and who, despite overwhelming facts to the contrary, believe what they want to, no matter how unreasonable their assertion may be.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I don't quite get your point, you say what I say is untrue but you also say the days when Captcha's are inaccessible are mostly gone which is what I said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.

-
Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

Bill White
 

Hi, Sieghard. Brian was being sarcastic and satirical, because a lot of people won't recognize the truth, even if it stares them in the face.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I don't quite get your point, you say what I say is untrue but you also say the days when Captcha's are inaccessible are mostly gone which is what I said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.

-
Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

 

I don't quite get your point, you say what I say is untrue but you also say the days when Captcha's are inaccessible are mostly gone which is what I said.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.

-
Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

 

On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 03:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible.
-
Sieghard, you know this is untrue, because it's been asserted to be untrue, contrary to our own repeated observations, and those of many others on this very topic.  ;-)

The days where the vast majority of CAPTCHAs are, in actuality, in accessible except in the case of both visual and hearing impairment are gone, and have been for a while.

And if one does encounter one that is, the entity that is using it should be notified.  There's no reason to use old-style visual-only CAPTCHAs now.  Most haven't used those for quite some time, but there are always some holdouts.  Between the "check if you're not a robot" type and the ability to get audio challenges as an alternative, most should be accessible to most people.  I cannot ever foresee the day when challenges to prevent bots from being able to access accounts/sign-up systems/etc. will ever be 100% accessible 100% of the time for every living being.  If they were then there would be very easy programmatic ways around them, which defeats the legitimate security purposes.  They're meant to differentiate man/woman from machine. 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: capsha

 

A lot of websites now use the "I am not a Robot" checkbox and even if simply checking this isn't enough the resulting audio captchas always seem to be quite accessible. I haven't come across an inaccessible captcha in quite a long time and I certainly wouldn't pay $30 a year or even $10 a year. If there is an inaccessible captcha there is always Aira and they usually make short work of it.places  790I have rarely come across

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Weiss via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

Then you should tell this to Blind Bargains as they recommend this product and even featured it on a podcast.

 

Jim Weiss

 

 



On Apr 24, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Gerald Levy via groups.io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:

 

 

Unfortunately, Captcha Be Gone was a scam and although their web site may still be around, the service itself, which apparently never worked,  is long gone, and if you dsign up and shell out the $30 or whatever they charge, you will never see that money again because there is no way to get a refund.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 4/24/2021 2:45 PM, Jim Weiss via groups.io wrote:

CAPTCHA Be Gone was created with the blind community in mind.  This is not a free service, but works with all major browsers and screen readers.

 

 

 

Jim Weiss

 

 



On Apr 24, 2021, at 1:34 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 01:10 PM, Ryan McManomy wrote:

Hi all is there anything out there for capsha?

-
The use of Captcha as though it is one thing is not representative.  It's a function that has multiple implementations.

An example of a website on which you're having an issue with a Captcha is the only real way to know what is actually being dealt with.  There is no "one size fits all" method for dealing with Captchas, and hasn't been for quite a while.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide

 

 


moderated Re: I want a good cloud drive to store files in.

 

As is Dropbox, I guess a lot depends on how much space you are looking for. I still think the 1 Tb of OneDrive storage you get with a Microsoft 365 subscription which as an individual you can have for I think $59 or $69 US is one of the best deals around as it also gives you a full licence to run Office on up to 5 devices. You simply log in to Microsoft 365 and download/install Office from there so for $5 or $6 a month you get Office as well as 1 TB of cloud storage. If you have another family member or members who might benefit from this you can get the Family plan for I think $99 US (sorry I'm in Canada so of course the CAD price here is different) and then each family member you invite can share in these benefits, I think up to 5 people). Each person can download Office and each person gets 1 Tb of OneDrive storage. If you have 4 people on the plan and provided it is $99 then essentially each person gets all of this for $25 a year.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 10:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: I want a good cloud drive to store files in.

 

Microsoft's OneDrive and Google Drive are both good options, and additional space can be added, if needed, inexpensively.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: I want a good cloud drive to store files in.

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

I  use one drive and with 365 I get one terabyte free with the subscription so I guess technically it's not free. It's simple easy to use and it's pretty much integrated into windows. I've never had much luck with iCloud and any iteration over the years.

Randy Barnett

On Apr 25, 2021, at 7:04 AM, Phillip Gross <phillip_gross@...> wrote:

Depends on the features you want. If you use apple products as well and want to share between your phone and computer easily try iCloud. If you have Office 365 already then why not just use 1Drive. If you have a google account then why not Google Drive. This is also a lesss expensive solution depending on how much space you need. Personally, there are things I don’t like about Google’s layout, so I don’t use them for much besides searching, but that’s each person’s preference. Your last good option is Dropbox.

Each person is going to have one that fits them best. My advice would be to sit down, look at the features each offers both free and paid, and decide which one fits your needs best. How much space do you need? Do you care if there are extra steps to access what you need to access? For example, on 1Drive, when someone shares a file with you you have to first access it online. It doesn’t appear in your 1Drive folder on your computer until you tell it to. With Dropbox it’s in the Dropbox folder. You don’t have to go to your browser to get it. This could have changed but was the case the last time I was sharing files on 1Drive. If it matters iCloud is the only one native to iDevices though they all have apps and will work.

Like I said the best thing you can do is make a list of the features you want, decide what you’re willing to pay if anything for those features, and compare them.


moderated Re: capsha

Randy Barnett <blindmansbluff09@...>
 

you can do this in any browser if not just chrome. You just need to log into your Google account. I use edge and I use this method also but unfortunately there are still lots of sites that don't use the Google service.

Randy Barnett

On Apr 25, 2021, at 7:29 AM, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:



Yu can use google chrome, and if you are loged into your e-mail, just selecting the checkbox, I am not a robot, or whatever they have donw there, will get you through.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 5:23 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

Hi Paul,

 

No, I have never heard about this.  I’ll try using the Control key the very next time that I get an audio chalenge.

 

By the way, I have noticed on much more than just one occasion, that the more I ask for different challanges, the easier the challenges become to solve.  Sometimes, the challenge changes from ridiculous to extremely easy in around 3 attempts.

 

Thanks,

 

James B 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of paul lemm via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 4:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

Hi,

 

Not Sure if you already knew this, but most modern audio Capsha’s these days when in the edit field where you type your answer, you can replay the audio again by simply pressing CTRL on your keyboard, this comes in really handy if you don’t get  the capsha first time and need to listen to the audio capsha a few times, just press ctrl each time you want to hear it played again. Hopefully this is easier than having to find the play button each time or having to record the capsha on a separate digital recorder to replay the audio capsha.

 

Paul Lemert the audio recording if not it might save the hassle of having to record the audio capsha on a digital recorder each time,  but most modern audio capsha’s these days, when in the  edit field where you

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: 25 April 2021 09:52
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I record the stupid things with a hand held digital recorder.  My hearing isn’t the best.  Sometimes, I have to play the recording back 2 or 3 times before I get it right.  The recording seems to take the stress out of the situation.

 

All stay safe,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angel
Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 2:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I find listening to audio captias using headphones is the best way to understand them.  I have never gone  wrong using headphones.  When working on my computer. 

 

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From: Randy Barnett
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 11:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: capsha

 

I read your entire post completely. And responded to exactly what you said. You said the days of captures that were just words were long gone and that's not true and you also said they now have alternatives for that make them accessible and that is also not true because have to time you can't understand what they're saying or such a strange combination of words by the time you type it in it's wrong so I responded to everything you said correctly.

Randy Barnett


On Apr 24, 2021, at 12:47 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 03:08 PM, Randy Barnett wrote:

And their capture is totally in accessible there was absolutely no way for a blind person to do it.

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Randy, it would be really helpful if you actually bothered to read what I wrote, and respond to that, rather than doing what you do.

I said, and I quote, "a lot have audio challenges and other options to make them accessible if they are visually based."  That doesn't say or imply all.

And, by the way, even with mild high frequency hearing loss I am, without looking at the screen (which is what you so often demand), able to solve the vast majority of audio challenges.  I have to deal with more background noise and garbling in real life than these things generally present.  There is the occasional one that's awful, and when that's the case I suggest activating the control that gives you an alternative challenge.  That's something else that most captchas have had as an option for many years now, too.

There is no perfect system, and since computers cannot easily produce any sensory output other than auditory or visual, with a tiny bit of tactile/haptic thrown in, I imagine that security challenges will remain primarily visual and/or auditory.
 
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