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Re: Tutorial for learning ribbon navigation
Peter Tesar
The ribbon menu is similar to the DOS SpreadSheet program called 1-2-3.
The second line contained the primary menu names and the third line contained the menu items of the highlighted primary menu item. When the primary menu item was selected, the third line was moved to the second line and the third line showed the menu item that you highlighted on the second line. Peter T.
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Re: Tutorial for learning ribbon navigation
Steve Matzura
Agreed. I've never gotten the hang of those things since they
first appeared, whether I use the JAWS ribbon option or not. They
just seem so counterintuitive to me. But the previous messages
have given me lots of new insite into how they work.
On 1/19/2018 7:54 AM, Alan Robbins
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Re: Tutorial for learning ribbon navigation
Alan Robbins <alan1057@...>
Mike,
Thanks to you and list member, Carolyn. These two posts should suffice.
Al
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:07 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Tutorial for learning ribbon navigation
Hi Alan,
Here's aquick tutorial that helped me understand the ribbons better:
There is not a lot to ribbons. Think of it this way. Microsoft groups commands together that are alike. So under one tab there may be many groups.
Let's use Microsoft Word 2010 as an example. If I want to insert something.
So now hit tab to go to the lower ribbon.
There are the following groups:
Pages, tables, illistrations, links, headers and footers, text, and symbols.
You can use the control + right and left arrow to go between these groups.
The commands in illistrations are:
Picture, clip art, shapes, smart art, chart, and screen shots, .
Every time I hit tab, it will go from one command to another. When you get
So to put this together, after going to the insert tab, and hit tab, it will
But to be faster, if you know what group a command is in, control right
Some commands bring up another group of choices, where you can arrow around
This method of navigating the ribbons can be done in every Microsoft
This is a good start, just practice navigating, and it will be less
I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Robbins Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 5:16 PM Subject: Tutorial for learning ribbon navigation
Hello,
I am no longer using the JAWS virtual ribbons settings. However, after using them since their inception several versions ago, I am finding navigating the native ribbon environment a bit tricky. Are there any resources out there to explain or teach best way to navigate them or is it simply a trial & error thing? All suggestion s appreciated
Al
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Re: Tutorial for learning ribbon navigation
Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
Hi
Alan,
Here's aquick
tutorial that helped me understand the ribbons better:
There is not a
lot to ribbons. Think of it this
way.
Microsoft groups
commands together that are alike. So under one tab there may be many
groups.
Let's use
Microsoft Word 2010 as an example. If I want to insert something.
I can hit the alt key to go to the upper ribbon and right arrow to the insert tab. This would be the same thing as hitting alt N. So now hit tab to
go to the lower ribbon.
There are the
following groups:
Pages, tables,
illistrations, links, headers and footers, text, and
symbols.
You can use the
control + right and left arrow to go between these groups.
So if I wanted to insert an illustration, I can hold down control and press the right arrow until I get to the illustration group. The commands in
illistrations are:
Picture, clip
art, shapes, smart art, chart, and screen shots, .
Every time I hit
tab, it will go from one command to another. When you get
to the end of commands in that group, it takes you to the next group, which in this case is links. It would say hyperlink, which is the first command in the link group. So to put this
together, after going to the insert tab, and hit tab, it will
put you in the pages group which has 3 commands. After tabbing through these 3 commands, and you tab again, you are in the tables group, which has just 1 command, then pressing tab again you will land in the illistrations group. So if you don't know what group something is in, you can keep hitting tab and it will take you through each command in each group. But to be faster,
if you know what group a command is in, control right
arrow until you get to the group you want, then tab to get the command you want, then just press enter. Some commands
bring up another group of choices, where you can arrow around
until you find what you want and press enter on it. This method of
navigating the ribbons can be done in every Microsoft
application that uses ribbons. This is a good
start, just practice navigating, and it will be less
confusing to you. I hope this
helps. Let me know if you have any
questions.
Thom Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Robbins
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 5:16 PM
Subject: Tutorial for learning ribbon navigation Hello,
I am no longer using the JAWS virtual ribbons settings. However, after using them since their inception several versions ago, I am finding navigating the native ribbon environment a bit tricky. Are there any resources out there to explain or teach best way to navigate them or is it simply a trial & error thing? All suggestion s appreciated
Al
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Re: Tutorial for learning ribbon navigation
Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
Here are instructions from Gene on Tech Talk:
The essence of working with ribbons is this: Press alt to move to the upper ribbon. You will probably be on an item that says home tab. Items on the upper ribbon are announced as tabs such as home tab, view tab, etc. it's like moving from menu to menu in a menu program. To see what ribbons are available in the ribbon, right or left arrow repeatedly to move through the items. Move in one direction to move through all of them, just as you would to move through all the menus. For this demonstration, just so we are all doing the same thing, move with the right arrow. When you get back to where you started, you can keep right arrowing to move through the items again, if you wish. You can move through all the items as many times as you want. Or you can move with the left arrow whenever you want to move in the opposite direction. To illustrate how to see the items in a ribbon you have moved to, do the following: Stop on view. Then start tabbing. You will move through all items in what is called the lower ribbon that are associated with the view ribbon. Tabbing in a ribbon is the same as using down arrow to move down through the items in a menu. Shift tab moves you backward through the items. It's like using up arrow to move up instead of down in a menu. Many items in the lower ribbon are buttons. Use either the space bar or enter to activate the button. You may find a button that opens a menu and if you press enter or the space bar, you will then be in a menu. Each time you move to an item, you will hear the short cut command to work with that item. Let's look at an item which is usually called the application menu. Return to the main program window in wordpad by closing the ribbons. You can either press escape repeatedly, if necessary, or you can press alt once. Now, open the ribbons again with alt. Start right arrowing until you get to the application menu. You will hear application menu and then something like button drop down grid. Never mind drop down grid. It's a description you don't have to worry about. The important things are that you are on a button and at the application menu. Press enter or the space bar to activate the button. Activating the button opens the menu. Start down arrowing. you will hear all the short cut commands necessary to open an item or take an action. When you got to the menu item, you heard alt f. When you open the menu and move through it, you will hear all the letters announced. for example, if you down arrow to save as, you will hear alt f a. that means that, when you are in the main program window, you press and hold alt, type f while holding alt, then release both letters. You have now opened the menu. You then type a to open save as. Experiment with some of the split buttons you will find in the menu we are working with to get a feel for how they work and what they do. You are in a menu so right arrowing shows the additional options. Left arrow moves you out of the additional options. Commands such as control o, control n, control s, control r, etc. are mostly retained in programs that use ribbons, though you won't hear them announced. If you don't already know them, you'll have to find them in ways such as by looking at a list of keyboard commands for the program. Such lists are often available in the help for the program. If you already know the commands from having used an older version of the program, most or perhaps even all of the commands you know will work. Gene The following message contains some material on working with Windows Live Mail. Even if you don't have or use that program, listening to the explanation may be helpful in providing more examples of how to work with ribbons. Message 2. First, is Windows Live Mail on your computer? If so, you need to learn how to work with ribbons. What I will describe will allow you to work with ribbons in any program that contains them. I will describe how to work with ribbons and, as part of the discussion, tell you how to open the accounts dialog in Windows Live Mail. I would strongly urge you not to use the JAWS virtual menus if you are using JAWS 12.x. Virtual menus are off in JAWS by default so if you haven't turned on the virtual menus, you will be seeing the actual ribbons. Thef JAWS training material claims that ribbons are difficult to use. FS is doing a real disservice to the JAWS using community by encouraging people not to use ribbons and making claims FS may believe are true, but are not, about the difficulty in using ribbons. Here is how to open the accounts dialog to create an e-mail account in Windows Live Mail. Seeing how this is done may help you understand how to work with ribbons in general. open Windows Live Mail. Open the ribbons with alt. You are in the upper ribbon on the home tab. Start right arrowing. You will get to accounts after two or three right arrows. Start tabbing to see what is in accounts. Stop on a button that says e-mail. You can use either enter or the space bar on this button. If you wish, before you open this item, you can tab through all the items in this lower ribbon. You will see a news groups button and, I believe one or two other items. the news groups button is for creating a news groups account. Once you return to the e-mail button, use either enter or the space bar. then set up an account as usual. You will find an application menu available. It is a menu from which you work with many aspects of the program you used to use the file menu fore. and indeed, you can open it from the main program window by holding down the alt key and typing f. One important thing you will see in this menu is the options dialog that used to be in the tools menu. Now, in the new version of Windows Live Mail, it's in the application submenu because this submenu is not a file menu, it's for working with certain application items and features, ranging from save as to the options menu. Accellerator commands often work in programs with ribbons. Commands such as control o, control s, and, since we are discussing an e-mail program, control r for reply, in short, many or most or perhaps all of the accellerator commands you used to use in previous versions of the program usually work. My recommendation is that, when using ribbons, if you know you are going to use a command regularly, that you make a point of remembering the short cut commands announced for getting to that item, that is, if an accellerator command such as control o, control s, or control r is not available. You won't hear commands such as control o, control s, or control r announced when working with ribbons. You have to know them or find them in other ways such as looking them up in a list of program commands, often available in the help material for the program. Gene One more note: As you tab around to hear the items in a ribbon, you will hear things that are sequences for opening something or taking an action. If you are using JAWS, many of these sequences are not announced automatically. If you want to hear something announced that hasn't been, use the command JAWS key tab. you will hear extraneous material but you will hear the sequence announced if you let the information be spoken. You will hear things like, for example, h followed by r followed by m. That's just an example. It doesn't necessarily respond to any sequence in use but it's the sort of thing you may hear. So, if you wanted to do whatever alt h followed by r followed by m does, in the main program window type alt then h. then type m then r. It may take an action, it may open a menue or perhaps something else. If you have questions, ask on list. Cordially, Carolyn
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Tutorial for learning ribbon navigation
Alan Robbins <alan1057@...>
Hello,
I am no longer using the JAWS virtual ribbons settings. However, after using them since their inception several versions ago, I am finding navigating the native ribbon environment a bit tricky. Are there any resources out there to explain or teach best way to navigate them or is it simply a trial & error thing? All suggestion s appreciated
Al
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Re: not able to hear a skype windows app test call
inamuddin khan
Dear go to Skype setting and make sure that whatever your mic is, it should be focused! With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID: Charlsdarwin1
Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
From: Marvin Hunkin via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 5:47 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: not able to hear a skype windows app test call
Hi. Got windows 10 64 bit pro and the skype universal app, and got the jaws scripts. But when I do a test call, and have my interal mike, it does not record my call. Any ideas why, have looked in the sound recording, and things looks good. Did do a trouble shooter, but what’s the enhanced signal settings. And when I did check that, lowered the volume of jaws, so just unchecked it. And cortana works fine with my mike. So just frustrated. Thanks.
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not able to hear a skype windows app test call
Marvin Hunkin <neilmarvin@...>
Hi. Got windows 10 64 bit pro and the skype universal app, and got the jaws scripts. But when I do a test call, and have my interal mike, it does not record my call. Any ideas why, have looked in the sound recording, and things looks good. Did do a trouble shooter, but what’s the enhanced signal settings. And when I did check that, lowered the volume of jaws, so just unchecked it. And cortana works fine with my mike. So just frustrated. Thanks.
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Re: A weird Google Chrome problem
Edhoari Setiyoso
Hi Sieghard, On my system, using Chrome and JAWS 2018 stops speaking after
announcing first landmark. The same goes with NVDA. My guess is
that I have different Chrome version than yours. Using Firefox and NVDA, I can browse the site easily. I guess
that's why we need to have multiple tools at our hand. When one
doesn't work always have a backup :) Best Regards Edhoari Setiyoso <edhoari> [dot] <s> [at] <gmail> [dot] <com. On 01/17/2018 02:41 AM, Sieghard
Weitzel wrote:
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Amazon Drive account
Jonas Voll
Any one use Amazon Drive account, works with Jaws?
Jonas
Voll Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research. NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system.
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Re: Home Security
Jonas Voll
What have you seen for I phones?
Jonas
Voll Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave...
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 12:33 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Home Security
...better off considering one to use with an iPhone, since those seem to be more prevalent. And more useful since you can monitor or respond when you're away from home and your computer.
Dave
----- Original Message ----- From: Jonas Voll Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 09:01 Subject: Home Security
Any one know about Home Security that will work with Jaws?
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Re: JAWS18 and JAWS2018
Robbie Curtis
Thanks guys. Appreciate the information. Very helpful.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
---- Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:
FS has changed the naming scheme, Jaws 2018 is basically Jaws 19, the next major update after Jaws 18.
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Re: JAWS18 and JAWS2018
inamuddin khan
Dear friend, there are several new things Freedomscientific has introduced through JAWS 2018. To my best knowledge there are 3 things I’d like to highlight, better proformence in using Microsoft edge, new way of OCR, and one of the most interesting thing which JAWS 18 doesn’t have is Screen shade. Speech on demand is another exciting feature which JAWS 18 doesn’t have. If you are user of JAWS 18, you are advised to read what’s new in JAWS 2018. For that, you need to visit: http://www.freedomscientific.com With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID: Charlsdarwin1
Arguing with a woman is reading software license agreement.
From: Robbie Curtis
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 11:37 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: JAWS18 and JAWS2018
Good Afternoon,
I am getting ready to update my JAWS version and would like to know what is the difference between JAWS18 and 2018? Thanks.
-- Robbie J. Curtis essence64@... "Stay in peace, not pieces!"
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Re: JAWS18 and JAWS2018
Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
FS has changed the naming scheme, Jaws 2018 is basically Jaws 19, the next major update after Jaws 18.
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
From now on Jaws will be using years which is what a lot of software makers do and while Jaws 2018 was released in late October of 2017 it mostly covers 2018, next October Jaws 2019 will be released. I guess it's a bit like with car models, the 2019 models will already start to come out in the late summer or fall of 2018. As DAve pointed out, Convenient OCR can now use a scanner or Pearl Camera as a source, but also important to note is that it is no longer limited to only performing OCR on PDF files which you open in Acrobat Reader. Any image file, jpg, tif, pdf etc. can now be recognized simply by going to the file in Windows Explorer, bringing up the context menu with your application key or Shift+F10 and thenpressing "J" for "Recognize with Jaws" which is one of the options in the menu which comes up. Jaws 2018 also has better support for the Edge browser and looking ahead it is definitely the version you want to get if at all possible. Regards, Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave... Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:44 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: JAWS18 and JAWS2018 Major difference is that if you have a Pearl camera, or other scanning device attached, you can invoke OCR on a printed page directly from the JAWS Convenient OCR feature, rather than running Openbook or other OCR software. No improvements to sluggishness or freezing when using JAWS commands, however. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie Curtis" <essence64@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:37 Subject: JAWS18 and JAWS2018 Good Afternoon, I am getting ready to update my JAWS version and would like to know what is the difference between JAWS18 and 2018? Thanks. -- Robbie J. Curtis essence64@... "Stay in peace, not pieces!"
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Re: A weird Google Chrome problem
Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...>
Hello Edhoari,
I don’t usually use this website, but when the original poster asked I tried it with Chrome and Jaws 2018 and had no issues navigating the site, opening links and so on.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of Edhoari Setiyoso
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 8:22 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: A weird Google Chrome problem
Hi, Tried accesssing mosquito.org with several combination and found one that works. Chrome + JAWS = Not working I use Firefox 56. For now just stay away from Firefox Quantum. Hope that helps. Edhoari Setiyoso edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com On 15-Jan-18 9:01 PM, Delaunay Christophe wrote:
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Re: JAWS18 and JAWS2018
Dave...
Major difference is that if you have a Pearl camera, or other scanning
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
device attached, you can invoke OCR on a printed page directly from the JAWS Convenient OCR feature, rather than running Openbook or other OCR software. No improvements to sluggishness or freezing when using JAWS commands, however. Dave Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Curtis" <essence64@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 10:37 Subject: JAWS18 and JAWS2018 Good Afternoon, I am getting ready to update my JAWS version and would like to know what is the difference between JAWS18 and 2018? Thanks. -- Robbie J. Curtis essence64@... "Stay in peace, not pieces!"
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JAWS18 and JAWS2018
Robbie Curtis
Good Afternoon,
I am getting ready to update my JAWS version and would like to know what is the difference between JAWS18 and 2018? Thanks. -- Robbie J. Curtis essence64@... "Stay in peace, not pieces!"
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Re: Home Security
Dave...
...better off considering one to use with an iPhone, since
those seem to be more prevalent. And more useful since you can monitor or
respond when you're away from home and your computer.
Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonas
Voll
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2018 09:01
Subject: Home Security Any one know about Home Security that will work with Jaws?
Jonas Voll Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research. NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system.
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Re: JAWS and Ubuntu bash
Edhoari Setiyoso
Hi All,
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
Thanks. It works :) Regards Edhoari Setiyoso edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com
On 16-Jan-18 12:50 AM, Jason White via Groups.Io wrote:
You can also choose from among several other Linux distributions (with more said to be forthcoming) if Ubuntu isn't what you prefer.
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Re: A weird Google Chrome problem
Edhoari Setiyoso
Hi, Tried accesssing mosquito.org with several combination and found one that works. Chrome + JAWS = Not workingChrome + NVDA = Not working Firefox + JAWS = Not working Firefox + NVDA = Works I use Firefox 56. For now just stay away from Firefox Quantum. Hope that helps. Edhoari Setiyoso edhoari <dot> s [at] gmail <dot> com On 15-Jan-18 9:01 PM, Delaunay
Christophe wrote:
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