I don’t think Angel is concerned witht urnign JAWS on or off – I think they are concerend about sighted people seeing what they are doing when they don’t’ want them to.
On my old laptop I used to just tilt the screen way, way down..not enough to obstruct my hand movement on the keyboard, but someone would have to lift the lid into a more vertical position in order to see anything.
It’s not something I really worry about now. On my desktop I generally have the monitor off unless friends and I are watching films.
My suggestion if someone really doesn’t want their stuff to be seen is to just keep the monitor off or even unplugged, unless it’s needed. Of course hat’s a bit more complicated with a laptop. Newer JAWS and nVDA do have the option to obscure the screen. That is pretty good, but I would like a more direct, low-level kind of way of doing this, that’s not directly related to the screen reader, personally.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *David Diamond
*Sent:* August 7, 2022 05:34 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Blocking the mouse buttons:
Angel, you are going the long way round the bush.  You can turn JAWS on or off with a couple simple key strokes. Jaws, space and s.  will toggle jaws on or off. My blind tutor got us to turn off our computer monitors to make sure there was no cheating. The funny thing was, his sighted live in thought the monitor was broke because she could not see my monitor on.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Angel
*Sent:* August 7, 2022 2:19 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Blocking the mouse buttons:
I understand, from going through my power settings, one may turn off the lap tops monitor.  I have considered looking into this.  But, should I require sighted assistance, for example, should I lose speech altogether, I should want the sighted person to be able to assist me to regain the use of the computer.  I have the power settings set to turn off the computer immediately upon its lid being closed.  That way, I can close the lid, and restart it again without speech, and have a sighted person assist me.
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I think you both may be correct.
There are basics that always have to be addressed first.
Like in typing lessons for example.
But ultimately, teaching things are best directed with the student's goals in mind.
Glenn
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*From:* Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 07, 2022 4:32 PM
*Subject:* Re: Locking the mouse buttons:
On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 05:22 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
The class was supposed to be a class on using JAWS. If you can't
teach that without needing the student to tell you what his goal is,
you have no business being an instructor.
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Then I have no business being an instructor.  In the context of one-on-one tutoring, which is what I do, I absolutely do not set the goals, the client does.  And it's been working beautifully for over 10 years now.
Were I trying to do a class, I would still, for the most part, be asking clients to pick, say websites that they have an interest in rather than my picking a single one except for the basic instruction at the outset. But one-on-one, I prefer to go in precisely the direction the client wishes to be taken.
To each his or her own.
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Angel, you are going the long way round the bush.  You can turn JAWS on or off with a couple simple key strokes. Jaws, space and s.  will toggle jaws on or off. My blind tutor got us to turn off our computer monitors to make sure there was no cheating. The funny thing was, his sighted live in thought the monitor was broke because she could not see my monitor on.      

I understand, from going through my power settings, one may turn off the lap tops monitor.  I have considered looking into this.  But, should I require sighted assistance, for example, should I lose speech altogether, I should want the sighted person to be able to assist me to regain the use of the computer.  I have the power settings set to turn off the computer immediately upon its lid being closed.  That way, I can close the lid, and restart it again without speech, and have a sighted person assist me.

The class was supposed to be a class on using JAWS. If you can't teach that without needing the student to tell you what his goal is, you have no business being an instructor.

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Some laptops have a function key when used with the special FN key, will turn off the monitor.
I usually do a search on the make and model and the words turn off the screen
and get the answer.
Or some eyes may tell a reader, if they can figure out the hieroglyphics on the keys.
Glenn
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*From:* Angel <mailto:angel238@...>
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*Sent:* Sunday, August 07, 2022 4:19 PM
*Subject:* Blocking the mouse buttons:
I understand, from going through my power settings, one may turn off the lap tops monitor.  I have considered looking into this. But, should I require sighted assistance, for example, should I lose speech altogether, I should want the sighted person to be able to assist me to regain the use of the computer.  I have the power settings set to turn off the computer immediately upon its lid being closed.  That way, I can close the lid, and restart it again without speech, and have a sighted person assist me.
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Hi, Gene. The About dialog within JAWS contains your Serial Number, and a locking code, but does not, and never has, contained the Authorization Key, which is a code containing about 20 characters, consisting of letters and numbers.

Bill White

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2022 8:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws authorization key question.

If your copy of JAWS is activated, you should be able to find the
authorization key in the "About JAWS" dialog.

To get there:
1. Press Insert+J to bring up the JAWS menu.
2. Press up arrow twice, this should take you to the "About JAWS" option.
3. Press enter. This opens the "About JAWS" dialog.
Press Insert+Alt+W to virtualize the dialog.

You can now browse the dialog text with the arrow keys to find your
authorization key.

Alternatively, you can go to Vispero's web site and use your JAWS serial
number to retrieve your authorization key. Here is the link:

https://fsactivate.freedomscientific.com/

Gene...


On 8/7/2022 10:56 AM, Albert Cutolo wrote:

Good morning everyone,

Where would I go too locate my Jaws authorization key? I can’t for the
life of me, remember where it is or how too find it.

I think in this case the sighted person did not draw the client out and the client did not tell the teacher exactly what she needed to learn. Sorry, some people’s communication skills are lacking.  The enquirer doesn’t know how to draw the person out and the student doesn’t know how to communicate properly what they want.  Then there is the other thought, audio skills are lacking as well, I E the teacher is not listening to his or her student.  Indirectly related.  A person asked me a question and I did not understand what he wanted, I asked for clarification and all he said was, “The question is clear enough.” If it was clear enough, I’d not have to ask.  Smile. A good teacher should know how to draw their students out, not asking or giving vague questions or answers.  If a blind person asks where something is in a store, the person they ask should not say, “Over there or, over that way.” True they’ve answered the question however not in a way that the blind person can understand.
*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 7, 2022 1:14 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Locking the mouse buttons:
On Sun, Aug 7, 2022 at 02:10 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Totally agree! After I lost my vision, I signed up for a JAWS class
at the local Lighthouse for the blind, the instructor was sighted
and his method of instruction was to ask, "What do you want to learn?"
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Well, then, you'd definitely not want me as an instructor, either.  Most of my clients are adults who have lost their vision as adults.  I am there to instruct on using a screen reader, but I find that allowing the client to choose what they want to do/learn while learning the screen reader is best left up to them.  I can't know what programs a given client might want to use or, if trying to teach screen reader skills with a web browser, what it is they'd prefer to read, research, etc.
One of the things I have had the hardest time getting certain field counselors in the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired to understand is that you cannot teach how to use a screen reader as a stand alone thing.  A screen reader has, as its reason for being, accessing something else.  And I'd rather the client tell me, at least for the most part, what the "something elses" are in their lives.
I can't even begin to imagine what, "What do you want to learn?," even means when it comes to instructing on a screen reader since they don't function in isolation.  I interpret it as, "What do you need or want to learn how to use with a screen reader?"  And I want my students to tell me that, and I'll focus accordingly.
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guess it must’ve missed that one

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Totally agree! After I lost my vision, I signed up for a JAWS class at the local Lighthouse for the blind, the instructor was sighted and his method of instruction was to ask, "What do you want to learn?"

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Well, then, you'd definitely not want me as an instructor, either.  Most of my clients are adults who have lost their vision as adults.  I am there to instruct on using a screen reader, but I find that allowing the client to choose what they want to do/learn while learning the screen reader is best left up to them.  I can't know what programs a given client might want to use or, if trying to teach screen reader skills with a web browser, what it is they'd prefer to read, research, etc.

One of the things I have had the hardest time getting certain field counselors in the Virginia Department for the Blind and Visually Impaired to understand is that you cannot teach how to use a screen reader as a stand alone thing.  A screen reader has, as its reason for being, accessing something else.  And I'd rather the client tell me, at least for the most part, what the "something elses" are in their lives.  

I can't even begin to imagine what, "What do you want to learn?," even means when it comes to instructing on a screen reader since they don't function in isolation.  I interpret it as, "What do you need or want to learn how to use with a screen reader?"  And I want my students to tell me that, and I'll focus accordingly.
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Yeah..that's not a viable solution for a lot of us, I think.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 7, 2022 04:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: H captua problems
I *think* I resolved the HCAPTCHA problem by just getting help from Aira to solve it. Thankfully I have only encountered HCAPTCHA only once.
Gene...
On 8/7/2022 3:34 PM, nocm@... wrote:

Getting a new cookie does not fix the problem. Clearing my cache and
cookies and then getting a new cookie still does not work and
contacting the h captua support people has been an absolute failure.
On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 15:26:27 -0400 "JM Casey" <jmcasey@...>
writes:

I think the "fix" is to go to the site and get another cookie.
Not ideal, but then none of this is.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
nocm@...
Sent: August 7, 2022 03:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: H captua problems

Has anyone had problems with H captua properly setting the cookie to
bypass the challenge in firefox and does anyone know of a fix when it
does not work properly?

Getting a new cookie does not fix the problem. Clearing my cache and
cookies and then getting a new cookie still does not work and
contacting the h captua support people has been an absolute failure.
On Sun, 7 Aug 2022 15:26:27 -0400 "JM Casey" <jmcasey@...>
writes:

I think the "fix" is to go to the site and get another cookie.
Not ideal, but then none of this is.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
nocm@...
Sent: August 7, 2022 03:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: H captua problems

Has anyone had problems with H captua properly setting the cookie to
bypass the challenge in firefox and does anyone know of a fix when it
does not work properly?