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Re: Jaws vs NVDA

Don H
 

NVDA in my mind is better than Jaws.


On 8/9/2017 7:49 AM, Laura Richardson wrote:

Hello,

 

I’d never heard of NVDA screen reader until just recently …… I have only heard of and used Jaws.  I am curious and have quite a few questions but I’ll narrow it down to this one for now …… Is there much difference in the capabilities of what each screen reader can do regarding work and home use?  Thanks in advance for your input.

 

Laura

 

      

 



Re: Jaws vs NVDA

Richard Turner
 

The default voice is awful.

But, for basic tasks, if you have Windows 10, change the synthesizer to SAPI 5 and you will have either David or Hazel I think, which are good voices.

The keystrokes are much like Jaws.

The way it handles the mouse is very different.

I use it as my backup screen reader when Jaws (or in its day, Window-Eyes) lock up.

It takes very few resources.

 

Richard

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Laura Richardson
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 5:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws vs NVDA

 

Hello,

 

I’d never heard of NVDA screen reader until just recently …… I have only heard of and used Jaws.  I am curious and have quite a few questions but I’ll narrow it down to this one for now …… Is there much difference in the capabilities of what each screen reader can do regarding work and home use?  Thanks in advance for your input.

 

Laura

 

      

 


Re: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws

Richard Turner
 

Dave,

Thanks, but when I copied it over to my DropBox, it said copying without some of its properties.

And, as might be obvious, won’t install.

 

Could you try zipping up the .exe file and sending it to me directly at

Richardturner42@...

 

Thanks for all the help.

 

Richard

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of david
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws

 

Hello;

Here’s a link to the windows live mail,

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/osx47m0q1clbwoy/wlsetup-web.exe?dl=0

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws

 

Well, I don’t seem to have anything to open that file.

I thought I had Winzip installed, but I guess not.

Is this a 7zip file?

 

Richard

 

Is

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws

 

If you still wish to use Windows Live Mail 2012, which works perfectly fine for IMAP and POP access, I downloaded the offline installer approximately one week before Microsoft pulled it from its site and placed it on my Google Drive, here.  It runs just fine on my Windows 10 laptop and, as of the moment, there are no new known security issues with it, yet, and there may be no more since it's not a particularly tempting target now that it's out of support.  You do need to do occasional web searches to see if something does crop up.  Right now the only things I'm finding are the old, and unfounded, concerns about the preview pane and infections.  Every e-mail client I know of uses a preview pane (by default, anyway) and all have ensured that nothing is executed as part of showing that preview.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: Jaws vs NVDA

Mike Rogers
 

Hi. I have both, but don't use NVDA very much. The mouse keys don't function, like they do with Jaws or Window eyes. Also, I use the Vocalizer Tom for voice and prefer it over the NVDa voices. Just my opinion and I'm not very skilled in using all the functions of screenreaders.

********************************

www.harmonicaworkshops.com



On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 07:49:29 -0500
"Laura Richardson" <laurakr65@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,



I'd never heard of NVDA screen reader until just recently .. I have only
heard of and used Jaws. I am curious and have quite a few questions but
I'll narrow it down to this one for now .. Is there much difference in the
capabilities of what each screen reader can do regarding work and home use?
Thanks in advance for your input.



Laura







Jaws vs NVDA

Laura Richardson
 

Hello,

 

I’d never heard of NVDA screen reader until just recently …… I have only heard of and used Jaws.  I am curious and have quite a few questions but I’ll narrow it down to this one for now …… Is there much difference in the capabilities of what each screen reader can do regarding work and home use?  Thanks in advance for your input.

 

Laura

 

      

 


blocking text in a text editor

Tom <tomcat509@...>
 

Hi,

 

Using control windows k and insert space then m, it is possible to block text in Word, Outlook and the net but I can’t find any easy method of blocking text in a text editor.  Well, apart from the Windows command like holding down the shift key while moving the cursor from the starting point to the end of the desired text however distant that may be.  This can be very awkward if the text to be blocked runs over a page or three.

 

 

Does Jaws 18 have a simpler method of blocking text in a text editor?

 

Thanks

Tom


This email has been scanned by BullGuard antivirus protection.
For more info visit www.bullguard.com


Re: Function Keys

Bill White <billwhite92701@...>
 

Hi, Carolyn. Laptop keyboards don't have certain keys like Page-up and
Page-down, Home and End. This FN key turns other keys into some of these
missing keys on a laptop keyboard. It's commonly called a metakey.

Bill White
Billwhite92701@dslextreme.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 2:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Function Keys

What is that FN key for anyway?

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of david
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Function Keys

Hello;

Regarding the email, there's also a standalone outlook
express available, which works with windows 7,8,&10.







From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Function Keys



Brilliant! Function key plus escape did the trick.

It is a Del Inspiron 5000 series.



Thanks,

Richard





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of david
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Function Keys



Not sure what type of computer your client has,

But you can check in the windows mobility center,

Windows+x/b,

Now look for,

Using the tab keys change function keys,

Or, you can try, FNKey+escape,

One press should change it to normal function keys.

Again not knowing the model, it's hard to give exact
directions.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Function Keys



On the new Windows 10 computer I am helping a friend set up,
does anyone know where to go to stop Windows 10 from
requiring the function key in order to use the standard
F-keys?

Right now, to quit Jaws, you have to manage
insert+function+f4. Not useful.



I did it a couple years ago but cannot remember how I did
that on my computer.



Thanks,

Richard


Re: Function Keys

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

What is that FN key for anyway?

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of david
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Function Keys

Hello;

Regarding the email, there's also a standalone outlook
express available, which works with windows 7,8,&10.







From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Function Keys



Brilliant! Function key plus escape did the trick.

It is a Del Inspiron 5000 series.



Thanks,

Richard





From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On
Behalf Of david
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Function Keys



Not sure what type of computer your client has,

But you can check in the windows mobility center,

Windows+x/b,

Now look for,

Using the tab keys change function keys,

Or, you can try, FNKey+escape,

One press should change it to normal function keys.

Again not knowing the model, it's hard to give exact
directions.





From: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Function Keys



On the new Windows 10 computer I am helping a friend set up,
does anyone know where to go to stop Windows 10 from
requiring the function key in order to use the standard
F-keys?

Right now, to quit Jaws, you have to manage
insert+function+f4. Not useful.



I did it a couple years ago but cannot remember how I did
that on my computer.



Thanks,

Richard


Re: Function Keys

Michael Mote
 

Hi there!  You may want to try in the Windows Mobility center.  Some models allow you to change the settings there.  If not, you may have to go into your Bios settings, which means you will need sighted assistance.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Function Keys

 

On the new Windows 10 computer I am helping a friend set up, does anyone know where to go to stop Windows 10 from requiring the function key in order to use the standard F-keys?

Right now, to quit Jaws, you have to manage insert+function+f4.  Not useful.

 

I did it a couple years ago but cannot remember how I did that on my computer.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 


Re: considering switching email clients

Sandra Streeter
 

It is, indeed, WLM 2012.
 
 
 
Sandra

One can never consent to creep, when one feels an impulse to soar.
(Helen Keller)
 

Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: considering switching email clients
 
Sandra,

          Which Windows Live Mail are you using?  2010, 2012?

           You are correct that no version of WLM is currently supported by Microsoft, but WLM 2012 still works perfectly fine for IMAP or POP access and I can find no warnings regarding security holes in it, at least not yet, like the ones in Outlook Express and all its hacked variants.

--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)


If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker




Re: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws

david
 

Hello;

Here’s a link to the windows live mail,

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/osx47m0q1clbwoy/wlsetup-web.exe?dl=0

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws

 

Well, I don’t seem to have anything to open that file.

I thought I had Winzip installed, but I guess not.

Is this a 7zip file?

 

Richard

 

Is

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws

 

If you still wish to use Windows Live Mail 2012, which works perfectly fine for IMAP and POP access, I downloaded the offline installer approximately one week before Microsoft pulled it from its site and placed it on my Google Drive, here.  It runs just fine on my Windows 10 laptop and, as of the moment, there are no new known security issues with it, yet, and there may be no more since it's not a particularly tempting target now that it's out of support.  You do need to do occasional web searches to see if something does crop up.  Right now the only things I'm finding are the old, and unfounded, concerns about the preview pane and infections.  Every e-mail client I know of uses a preview pane (by default, anyway) and all have ensured that nothing is executed as part of showing that preview.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: considering switching email clients

david
 

Hello; not sure what you mean by being supported, if, you’re asking, does the program receive updates? The answer is no.

Many of my clients are using the simple email client, and are doing just fine.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sandra Streeter
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: considering switching email clients

 

Is that Outlook Express still being supported?

 

 

 

Sandra

One can never consent to creep, when one feels an impulse to soar.
(Helen Keller)

 

From: david

Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 7:42 AM

Subject: Re: considering switching email clients

 

Good morning;

 

Well, Thunderbird is free,

There’s also a standalone outlook express version which works with windows 7, 8, and 10.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sandra Streeter
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 8:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: considering switching email clients

 

Hi, all,

 

For 3-4 years now, I’ve been using WLM, in conjunction with Gmail. Because WLM is not being supported by Windows (I believe), and because I’m tired of false error messages, I’m considering switching. I want something whose interface is as easy to navigate as WLM (which I had picked because it was quicker to work within than Gmail by itself), and preferably free. Since I am not sure what’s out there that would fit my requirements, I am open to suggestions. I am using a w7 PC with JAWS Pro, 2016. Someone suggested Outlook, but I don’t yet have enough info on anything to have a clear final decision, so please tell me the pros and cons of whatever you’re using, or whatever you have used, with regard to how workable it is with JAWS, from set-up to actual use. Thanks!

 

 

Sandra

One can never consent to creep, when one feels an impulse to soar.
(Helen Keller)

 

 


Re: considering switching email clients

david
 

Hello;

If you want to verify which version of windows live mail your using,

 

You can,

Use the keystroke, ctrl+insert+v=version,

Or,

Alt+f/b

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sandra Streeter
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: considering switching email clients

 

I believe it’s 12, but how can I check, in case?

 

Sandra

One can never consent to creep, when one feels an impulse to soar.
(Helen Keller)

 

Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:52 AM

Subject: Re: considering switching email clients

 

Sandra,

          Which Windows Live Mail are you using?  2010, 2012?

           You are correct that no version of WLM is currently supported by Microsoft, but WLM 2012 still works perfectly fine for IMAP or POP access and I can find no warnings regarding security holes in it, at least not yet, like the ones in Outlook Express and all its hacked variants.

--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)


If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker

 


The ICloud Control Panel, Windows 10 Creator's Update and Outlook 2016

Paul Hunt <prhunt1@...>
 

Hello everybody. I have a 64 bit computer. I'm running the Windows 10 Creator's update. I'm running Outlook 2016 and it is the default email client. Every time I try to install the iCloud Control Pannell , I get an error message telling me that Outlook is not the default email client and the current default program cannot handle the responsibility. Of course, Apple blames Microsoft and Microsoft blames Apple.
Have any of you had this issue? If so, have you found the solution?
Thanks so much. 


Re: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws

Mario
 

Richard, I made a mistake...
after unchecking the option, you might need to shift+tab to get into the
inbox. alternately, you can tab a few times if you want to select on a
different folder other than the inbox, and tabe to get to the emails in
that folder.
sorry about that.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Mario [mailto:mrb620@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, Aug 8, 2017 11:54 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws

Richard,
press alt, then t for tools and o for options.
arrow up or down to the general category and press tab.
you should land on Thunderbird Start Page,
When Thunderbird launches, show the Start Page in the message area check
box, and make sure it is unchecked.
now when you launch TB, you should be placed in the inbox.
if you want to go into a different folder, just shift+tab and use the
up/down arrow keys. then just press tab to access it's emails, if any.




-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com]
Sent: Tuesday, Aug 8, 2017 11:16 AM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws

Is there a way to set it to open directly into the inbox?
I am an Outlook user, so am truly going into this blind, grin.

Richard


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:14 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws


I use Thunderbird without any scripts.



lucky1inct@gmail.com<mailto:lucky1inct@gmail.com>



"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"

--St. Francis


On 8/8/2017 11:12 AM, Richard Turner wrote:
I am helping a friend set up his new computer.
He had Windows 7 and used Live Mail.
In Windows 10, without him buying Office or Outlook, he has a choice of
Windows Mail or Thunderbird.
Can anyone direct me to scripts for either or both?

Thanks,
Richard


Re: considering switching email clients

 

Outlook Express has not been supported in years and since every currently available version appears to be a hack of the original, and the original is a security nightmare, I strongly discourage anyone from considering those.

When I fire up WLM 2012 the splash screen shows "Windows Live Mail 2012" and I'd thought the screen reader read that, but I guess not.  In the File tab there is an "About" entry that pulls up the dialog telling you what version of WLM you are running.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws

 

Yes, it's a 7-Zip file, hence the .7z extension.

I have no recollection of installing 7-Zip on my machine (but that doesn't mean I didn't) but it's what I generally use, though I also have it go to a ZIP file in most cases.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws

Richard Turner
 

Well, I don’t seem to have anything to open that file.

I thought I had Winzip installed, but I guess not.

Is this a 7zip file?

 

Richard

 

Is

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 8:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Thunderbird or Windows Mail scripts for Jaws

 

If you still wish to use Windows Live Mail 2012, which works perfectly fine for IMAP and POP access, I downloaded the offline installer approximately one week before Microsoft pulled it from its site and placed it on my Google Drive, here.  It runs just fine on my Windows 10 laptop and, as of the moment, there are no new known security issues with it, yet, and there may be no more since it's not a particularly tempting target now that it's out of support.  You do need to do occasional web searches to see if something does crop up.  Right now the only things I'm finding are the old, and unfounded, concerns about the preview pane and infections.  Every e-mail client I know of uses a preview pane (by default, anyway) and all have ensured that nothing is executed as part of showing that preview.
--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

 
If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker


Re: considering switching email clients

Sandra Streeter
 

I believe it’s 12, but how can I check, in case?
 
Sandra

One can never consent to creep, when one feels an impulse to soar.
(Helen Keller)
 

Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: considering switching email clients
 
Sandra,

          Which Windows Live Mail are you using?  2010, 2012?

           You are correct that no version of WLM is currently supported by Microsoft, but WLM 2012 still works perfectly fine for IMAP or POP access and I can find no warnings regarding security holes in it, at least not yet, like the ones in Outlook Express and all its hacked variants.

--
Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)


If you don't like someone, the way he holds his spoon will make you furious; if you do like him, he can turn his plate over into your lap and you won't mind.     ~ Irving Becker




Re: considering switching email clients

Sandra Streeter
 

Is that Outlook Express still being supported?
 
 
 
Sandra

One can never consent to creep, when one feels an impulse to soar.
(Helen Keller)
 

From: david
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: considering switching email clients
 

Good morning;

 

Well, Thunderbird is free,

There’s also a standalone outlook express version which works with windows 7, 8, and 10.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sandra Streeter
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 8:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: considering switching email clients

 

Hi, all,

 

For 3-4 years now, I’ve been using WLM, in conjunction with Gmail. Because WLM is not being supported by Windows (I believe), and because I’m tired of false error messages, I’m considering switching. I want something whose interface is as easy to navigate as WLM (which I had picked because it was quicker to work within than Gmail by itself), and preferably free. Since I am not sure what’s out there that would fit my requirements, I am open to suggestions. I am using a w7 PC with JAWS Pro, 2016. Someone suggested Outlook, but I don’t yet have enough info on anything to have a clear final decision, so please tell me the pros and cons of whatever you’re using, or whatever you have used, with regard to how workable it is with JAWS, from set-up to actual use. Thanks!

 

 

Sandra

One can never consent to creep, when one feels an impulse to soar.
(Helen Keller)