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moderated Re: Problem after searching for text in office Docs

Curtis Chong
 

Hello James:

I just updated my Microsoft 365 software yesterday. I am not finding what you are finding using the CTRL+F command in Word to search for text.

Incidentally, do you know that you can ask JAWS to find something in a word document by pressing the JAWS key with the letter f? Once you do the first search, you can repeat the search by pressing JAWS key with F3.

Cordially,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 9:37 AM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Problem after searching for text in office Docs

Can anyone else reproduce this? This is not a new problem. I’ve been encountering it for a while now. Open up Microsoft word. I have office 365. I’m using jaws 2022. Search for any text. After doing the search, close out that dialog box going back to viewing the word document. Now, try to go down page by page by hitting control page down. Before you conducted the search for the text, control page down moved to the next page. After conducting the search, control page down says something to the effect of search had been completed and you’re taking all the way down to the bottom of the last page no matter where you are in the document. After doing the search it appears that control page down or control page up no longer has the same functionality. This is the case even if you close out Microsoft Word and re-open it.


moderated Problem after searching for text in office Docs

James Lockwood
 

Can anyone else reproduce this? This is not a new problem. I’ve been encountering it for a while now. Open up Microsoft word. I have office 365. I’m using jaws 2022. Search for any text. After doing the search, close out that dialog box going back to viewing the word document. Now, try to go down page by page by hitting control page down. Before you conducted the search for the text, control page down moved to the next page. After conducting the search, control page down says something to the effect of search had been completed and you’re taking all the way down to the bottom of the last page no matter where you are in the document. After doing the search it appears that control page down or control page up no longer has the same functionality. This is the case even if you close out Microsoft Word and re-open it.


moderated Need Help with Frame Viewer

Steve Matzura
 

I set up a frame that I want automatically spoken when it changes. What I got is a frame that speaks each line in the frame twice whenever the frame changes. I thought the most appropriate choice for action was echo all, because screen echo didn't do anything, echo silent was certainly not what I wanted, and I forgot what the fourth choice is, but it was equally unuseful. What can I do to stop the double-speaking?


Thanks in advance.


moderated Re: Excel 2016

Van Lant, Robin
 

Wow, had no idea it could toggle!  I don’t normally pay attention to it, so I turned it off in the Options, but I could see using it sometime.  I was on an Excel class a couple weeks ago and the teacher was telling people to follow the prompts to fill in the formulas. I forgot to ask him where that was visually on the screen to see if I could get JAWS to read it.  I’ll ask one of my fellow classmates.   I learned that hitting tab after starting to type a formula will populate the function name and the opening parenthesis.  I love Excel classes for learning new tricks, but it’s hit or miss as to how much is presented visually that I have to find alternate options to use. 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Excel 2016

 

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Robin,

It's probably the formula autocomplete checkbox.  I didn't know, until I just checked, that this feature can be toggled on/off while editing formulas by hitting ALT + Down Arrow.

It is ON by default, and I'll bet at one point an ALT + Down Arrow was hit during a formula editing that toggled it off.
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moderated Re: antimalware question

 

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 11:17 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I think slowly, by the time windows 10 came out, Microsoft decided that since Linux and Apple are protecting their own products, that they had to stop leaving that up to third-party companies.
I think it took Microsoft way too long to start doing this on its own.
-
One could argue that last point, but you also have to remember that Linux has always been open-source and Apple its own very strictly walled garden.  Both of these options were distinctly different from Windows, which from the beginning invited very active 3rd party participation in the ecosystem via all sorts of APIs.

In the early days any antivirus/security from Microsoft was a joke because they really didn't need to do it.  That niche was already filled, multiple times, by 3rd party products.  I think they wanted to wrest back some of that niche and had a perfect opportunity when the massive redesign that was Windows As A Service (WAAS) in the form of Windows 10 occurred.  Prior to that, the juice would not have been worth the squeeze as far as trying to retrofit something that was truly top-notch.
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moderated Re: antimalware question

K0LNY
 


I think slowly, by the time windows 10 came out, Microsoft decided that since Linux and Apple are protecting their own products, that they had to stop leaving that up to third-party companies.
I think it took Microsoft way too long to start doing this on its own.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: antimalware question

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 08:55 AM, Gene Warner wrote:
I just use what comes with Windows, it may not be the best but it does a good job along with my own vigilence and it is more accessible than any other anti malware program I have tried.
-
And your choice is a very good one, and that's not just my opinion.

Look at the most recent testing results from the following antivirus/security testing labs, along with the historical results from the past several years if you want to see how Windows Security/Defender has been performing.  Windows Security has been solidly in the top 10, often top 5, and frequently beats out several well-known competitors that one must pay for.

AV Test

AV Comparatives

SE Labs  (Reports Page)

MRG Effitas  (360 Protection Testing Category)
and there are others, but I'll stop after four.

 
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moderated Re: Jaws and fusion?

Dave Durber
 


Abraham:
 
Thank you for the clarrification
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

I have been using fusion for the past 3+ years.
There are three programs installed, fusion, Jaws and zoom text.
only one of them can be running at any given time.



Thanks,abraham 

On Aug 11, 2022, at 3:50 AM, Dave Durber <d.durber@...> wrote:


Brian:
 
If Fusion contains both JAWS and ZoomText, then why would there be a need to have JAWS and ZoomText installed as 2 separate software packages on the same system. Not only that, if someone is running Fusion and a separate version of ZoomText at the same time, which magnification package is taking preference, the zoomText part of Fusion or, the separate version of ZoonText. To my mind, it would hardly be surprising if there were conflicts between the 2 versions of ZoonText. I think Glenn has it right, comfusion.
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:51 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:
Are you now saying that when Fusion is installed, you don’t get both JAWS and ZoomText as a part of the package?
-
No, I said precisely what you have:  Fusion is JAWS and ZoomText rolled into one.  But the last time I dealt with Fusion I thought I recalled there being a "Grand Unified Interface" from which you could choose, essentially, to use classic JAWS functions, classic ZoomText functions, or both at the same time.

That is why I find it confusing to see the phrasing, "running fusion with zoomText."   To me, that implies Fusion is installed, and ZoomText is installed as a separate thing, which makes zero sense to me.  If you're running Fusion you're running Fusion.  You may use whichever of the classic JAWS or ZoomText functions you wish, but you are not "running ZoomText" with Fusion, you are using the magnification features/side of Fusion.
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moderated Re: antimalware question

 

On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 08:55 AM, Gene Warner wrote:
I just use what comes with Windows, it may not be the best but it does a good job along with my own vigilence and it is more accessible than any other anti malware program I have tried.
-
And your choice is a very good one, and that's not just my opinion.

Look at the most recent testing results from the following antivirus/security testing labs, along with the historical results from the past several years if you want to see how Windows Security/Defender has been performing.  Windows Security has been solidly in the top 10, often top 5, and frequently beats out several well-known competitors that one must pay for.

AV Test

AV Comparatives

SE Labs  (Reports Page)

MRG Effitas  (360 Protection Testing Category)
and there are others, but I'll stop after four.

 
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moderated Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

Mike B.
 


Hi Mona,
 
The iPhones list for iPhones only and the other is for all smart or cell phones.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: mona
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

I must have missed something but what is the difference between the iPhone list and phones for the blind?  Thanks.

 

Mona

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 9:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Outstanding. I just received notification that you are a new member of PhonesForTheBlind  so I’m glad we were able to beat back the email goblins.

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 10:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Thanks Alan, I accepted and replied to the invitation you sent and look forward to reading the list messages.  Mitch

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Dave,

 

As one of the PhonesForTheBlind moderators, I sent you an invitation from the Admin page to join the list. If it doesn’t appear in your inbox, check your junk folder.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 9:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

  Hi Curtis,  I got the following ‘send error’ message:

We weren't able to send this message, so we've put it in your Drafts folder. Before you try sending it again, you can check to see if the address is correct and that no attachments are too large

 

As I noted, Windows 10 – my only email client – has roadblocked me before when trying to join lists on Groups.io.

I used the owner link provided by Brian and sent a message asking for sign up help and will advise if I learn more.  Thanks, Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Curtis Chong
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Dave:

 

Can you forward the email which shows the bounce?

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

                Hi,  My attempts to sign up to

 

PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io

 

Bounce back.  My only email program is Windows10Mail.

Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach?

Thanks for any help.  Mitch

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 


moderated Re: antimalware question

Joseph Machise
 

hi john don't think so there was a while ago keep in touch.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sanders" <starmy22@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:03 PM
Subject: antimalware question


Hi my name is John Sanders.

I have a question: are there any accessible antimalware programs that
work with jaws?

Thank you,

John


moderated Re: antimalware question

Gene Warner
 

I just use what comes with Windows, it may not be the best but it does a good job along with my own vigilence and it is more accessible than any other anti malware program I have tried.

Gene...

On 8/10/2022 10:03 PM, John Sanders wrote:
Hi my name is John Sanders.
I have a question: are there any accessible antimalware programs that work with jaws?
Thank you,
John


moderated antimalware question

John Sanders
 

Hi my name is John Sanders.

I have a question: are there any accessible antimalware programs that work with jaws?

Thank you,

John


moderated Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

mona
 

I must have missed something but what is the difference between the iPhone list and phones for the blind?  Thanks.

 

Mona

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 9:06 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Outstanding. I just received notification that you are a new member of PhonesForTheBlind  so I’m glad we were able to beat back the email goblins.

 

Alan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 10:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Thanks Alan, I accepted and replied to the invitation you sent and look forward to reading the list messages.  Mitch

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 8:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Dave,

 

As one of the PhonesForTheBlind moderators, I sent you an invitation from the Admin page to join the list. If it doesn’t appear in your inbox, check your junk folder.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 9:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

  Hi Curtis,  I got the following ‘send error’ message:

We weren't able to send this message, so we've put it in your Drafts folder. Before you try sending it again, you can check to see if the address is correct and that no attachments are too large

 

As I noted, Windows 10 – my only email client – has roadblocked me before when trying to join lists on Groups.io.

I used the owner link provided by Brian and sent a message asking for sign up help and will advise if I learn more.  Thanks, Mitch

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Curtis Chong
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 5:09 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

Dave:

 

Can you forward the email which shows the bounce?

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2022 5:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Help with a different Groups.IO list

 

                Hi,  My attempts to sign up to

 

PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io

 

Bounce back.  My only email program is Windows10Mail.

Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach?

Thanks for any help.  Mitch

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

 

 


moderated Re: Jaws and fusion?

Abraham Sweiss
 

I would disagree.
I use fusion, and use both the audio and magnification.
If you want we can talk off-line.


Thanks,abraham

On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:50 PM, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:

Yes. Right now she is using fusion, the ZoomText part, at 4.5 magnification. this is totally not practical, and I guess it's up to me to help her realize that. For a person just losing her vision, the jump from magnification to audio is huge, because it means acknowledging the b-word (blind). God grant me wisdom and kindness to help her make this adjustment.
At 07:17 PM 8/10/2022, you wrote:
Hi,
If the user is a strictly Screenwitter user, don’t run fusion as the program will echo key presses of certain keys unlike jaws. If the user already has fusion, you can disable it from start up and set jaws to boot on start up.
Fusion is functional for a screen reader user. However, for optimal functionality use jaws.

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On Aug 10, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:

Hi Ann,

When I press insert + j with Fusion 2020 running, the JAWS context menu opens and I hear Run from tray spoken. In the context menu, I have choices for Options, Utilities, Language, Help, and About. All of these choices contain submenus except for About.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 4:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

So. If fusion is running and she presses
insert+j, will that take her to the JAWS screen
or does she have to be running JAWS?
At 03:07 PM 8/10/2022, you wrote:

David,



You can check out this link and I expect it will tell you everything
you want to know about Fusion:



<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/software/fusion/>https://ww
w.freedomscientific.com/products/software/fusion/



Alan Lemly



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David
Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 12:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?



What is Fusion? I̢۪ve heard of JAWS of course and zoomtextext, but have
no idea how Fusion works.



From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis
Chong
Sent: August 10, 2022 8:02 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?



Brian:



You can run JAWS and/or ZoomText as separate programs under your Fusion
license, and you get both in any case. So, as a user, you can choose to
run Fusion, JAWS, ZoomText, or any combination.



Curtis



From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 8:58 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?



On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:51 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:

Are you now saying that when Fusion is
installed, you don̢۪t get both JAWS and ZoomText as a part of the pe package?

-
No, I said precisely what you have: Fusion is
JAWS and ZoomText rolled into one. But the last
time I dealt with Fusion I thought I recalled
there being a "Grand Unified Interface" from
which you could choose, essentially, to use
classic JAWS functions, classic ZoomText functions, or both at the same time.

That is why I find it confusing to see the
phrasing, "running fusion with zoomText." To
me, that implies Fusion is installed, and
ZoomText is installed as a separate thing, which
makes zero sense to me. If you're running
Fusion you're running Fusion. You may use
whichever of the classic JAWS or ZoomText
functions you wish, but you are not "running
ZoomText" with Fusion, you are using the magnification features/side of Fusion.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Here is a test to find out whether your mission
in life is complete. If you̢۪re alive, it isn̢n̢۪t.
~ Lauren Bacall

















moderated Re: Jaws and fusion?

Abraham Sweiss
 

I have been using fusion for the past 3+ years.
There are three programs installed, fusion, Jaws and zoom text.
only one of them can be running at any given time.



Thanks,abraham 

On Aug 11, 2022, at 3:50 AM, Dave Durber <d.durber@...> wrote:


Brian:
 
If Fusion contains both JAWS and ZoomText, then why would there be a need to have JAWS and ZoomText installed as 2 separate software packages on the same system. Not only that, if someone is running Fusion and a separate version of ZoomText at the same time, which magnification package is taking preference, the zoomText part of Fusion or, the separate version of ZoonText. To my mind, it would hardly be surprising if there were conflicts between the 2 versions of ZoonText. I think Glenn has it right, comfusion.
 
Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:51 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:
Are you now saying that when Fusion is installed, you don’t get both JAWS and ZoomText as a part of the package?
-
No, I said precisely what you have:  Fusion is JAWS and ZoomText rolled into one.  But the last time I dealt with Fusion I thought I recalled there being a "Grand Unified Interface" from which you could choose, essentially, to use classic JAWS functions, classic ZoomText functions, or both at the same time.

That is why I find it confusing to see the phrasing, "running fusion with zoomText."   To me, that implies Fusion is installed, and ZoomText is installed as a separate thing, which makes zero sense to me.  If you're running Fusion you're running Fusion.  You may use whichever of the classic JAWS or ZoomText functions you wish, but you are not "running ZoomText" with Fusion, you are using the magnification features/side of Fusion.
--

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moderated Re: Jaws and fusion?

Dave Durber
 


Brian:
 
If Fusion contains both JAWS and ZoomText, then why would there be a need to have JAWS and ZoomText installed as 2 separate software packages on the same system. Not only that, if someone is running Fusion and a separate version of ZoomText at the same time, which magnification package is taking preference, the zoomText part of Fusion or, the separate version of ZoonText. To my mind, it would hardly be surprising if there were conflicts between the 2 versions of ZoonText. I think Glenn has it right, comfusion.
 

Dave
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:51 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:
Are you now saying that when Fusion is installed, you don’t get both JAWS and ZoomText as a part of the package?
-
No, I said precisely what you have:  Fusion is JAWS and ZoomText rolled into one.  But the last time I dealt with Fusion I thought I recalled there being a "Grand Unified Interface" from which you could choose, essentially, to use classic JAWS functions, classic ZoomText functions, or both at the same time.

That is why I find it confusing to see the phrasing, "running fusion with zoomText."   To me, that implies Fusion is installed, and ZoomText is installed as a separate thing, which makes zero sense to me.  If you're running Fusion you're running Fusion.  You may use whichever of the classic JAWS or ZoomText functions you wish, but you are not "running ZoomText" with Fusion, you are using the magnification features/side of Fusion.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
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moderated Re: Jaws and fusion?

K0LNY
 


Exactly, that is like structured discovery, but a self-induced form of it.
Back when I could see the mouse pointer, I used to use the mouse trails in case the mouse was the only option to accomplish something on the computer, and I had the high contrast settings set as well.
But I never sat close to the screen and never tried to see what was happening, I didn't worry about reading the icons, the fact that my sight was going to get worse made me believe in the screenreader and I never had to worry about getting a soar neck from straining to see the screen.
I think for someone with eyesight that is going to get worse, is only hurting him or herself by putting off the inevitable, which is learning keyboard commands.
To use the crutch of screen magnification when your sight will diminish is like not learning to use a cane because you are barely getting by with your sight, when a cane can keep you safe along the way.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:50 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
For a person just losing her vision, the jump from magnification to audio is huge, because it means acknowledging the b-word (blind).
-
Ann,

You have my sympathy, and I have walked that "mile in your current shoes" in the past.  You end up being both a tutor and a counselor and a therapist at various moments and it's not easy.

That being said, if this is someone who can be semi-detached about her own situation, it is really worth pointing out that it is far easier to start getting into using a screen reader while you have enough residual vision to see what's going on, particularly when errors occur.  It lets you form a visual framework for the audio that is very useful to have, and that you cannot acquire after your vision is gone.

I had a client who was a graduate student who was in this situation, and it became obvious early on that magnification was not going to remain an effective compensation over the mid to long term.  Very early on I told him that our tutoring work needed to focus far more heavily on developing screen reader skills, but that for practical reasons he should use whichever worked best for him on any given day (his vision was that variable).  He recognized that preparing for where he was going was far more critical for his long term success (and happiness, for that matter).
 
If the client adamantly resists, well, you have done your due diligence and given them information they need to hear and consider.  There's never any guarantee they'll accept it, but it needs to be said if they've already begun to acknowledge what's to come to a significant extent.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Jaws and fusion?

 

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:50 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
For a person just losing her vision, the jump from magnification to audio is huge, because it means acknowledging the b-word (blind).
-
Ann,

You have my sympathy, and I have walked that "mile in your current shoes" in the past.  You end up being both a tutor and a counselor and a therapist at various moments and it's not easy.

That being said, if this is someone who can be semi-detached about her own situation, it is really worth pointing out that it is far easier to start getting into using a screen reader while you have enough residual vision to see what's going on, particularly when errors occur.  It lets you form a visual framework for the audio that is very useful to have, and that you cannot acquire after your vision is gone.

I had a client who was a graduate student who was in this situation, and it became obvious early on that magnification was not going to remain an effective compensation over the mid to long term.  Very early on I told him that our tutoring work needed to focus far more heavily on developing screen reader skills, but that for practical reasons he should use whichever worked best for him on any given day (his vision was that variable).  He recognized that preparing for where he was going was far more critical for his long term success (and happiness, for that matter).
 
If the client adamantly resists, well, you have done your due diligence and given them information they need to hear and consider.  There's never any guarantee they'll accept it, but it needs to be said if they've already begun to acknowledge what's to come to a significant extent.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


moderated Re: Jaws and fusion?

Ann Byrne
 

thanks, Alan. that is awesome! With that menu I should be able to get to utilities submenu and to tandem.

At 05:11 PM 8/10/2022, you wrote:
Hi Ann,

When I press insert + j with Fusion 2020 running, the JAWS context menu opens and I hear Run from tray spoken. In the context menu, I have choices for Options, Utilities, Language, Help, and About. All of these choices contain submenus except for About.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 4:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

So. If fusion is running and she presses
insert+j, will that take her to the JAWS screen
or does she have to be running JAWS?
At 03:07 PM 8/10/2022, you wrote:

David,



You can check out this link and I expect it will tell you everything
you want to know about Fusion:



<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/software/fusion/>https://ww
w.freedomscientific.com/products/software/fusion/



Alan Lemly



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David
Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 12:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?



What is Fusion? I̢۪ve heard of JAWS of course and zd zoomtext, but have
no idea how Fusion works.



From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis
Chong
Sent: August 10, 2022 8:02 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?



Brian:



You can run JAWS and/or ZoomText as separate programs under your Fusion
license, and you get both in any case. So, as a user, you can choose to
run Fusion, JAWS, ZoomText, or any combination.



Curtis



From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 8:58 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?



On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:51 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:

Are you now saying that when Fusion is
installed, you don̢۪t get both JAWS and
ZoomText as as a part of the package?

-
No, I said precisely what you have: Fusion is
JAWS and ZoomText rolled into one. But the last
time I dealt with Fusion I thought I recalled
there being a "Grand Unified Interface" from
which you could choose, essentially, to use
classic JAWS functions, classic ZoomText
functions, or both at the same time.

That is why I find it confusing to see the
phrasing, "running fusion with zoomText." To
me, that implies Fusion is installed, and
ZoomText is installed as a separate thing, which
makes zero sense to me. If you're running
Fusion you're running Fusion. You may use
whichever of the classic JAWS or ZoomText
functions you wish, but you are not "running
ZoomText" with Fusion, you are using the
magnification features/side of Fusion.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Here is a test to find out whether your mission
in life is complete. If you̢۪re alive, it isn̢n̢۪t.
.
~ Lauren Bacall










moderated Re: Jaws and fusion?

Ann Byrne
 

Yes. Right now she is using fusion, the ZoomText part, at 4.5 magnification. this is totally not practical, and I guess it's up to me to help her realize that. For a person just losing her vision, the jump from magnification to audio is huge, because it means acknowledging the b-word (blind). God grant me wisdom and kindness to help her make this adjustment.

At 07:17 PM 8/10/2022, you wrote:
Hi,
If the user is a strictly Screenwitter user, don’t run fusion as the program will echo key presses of certain keys unlike jaws. If the user already has fusion, you can disable it from start up and set jaws to boot on start up.
Fusion is functional for a screen reader user. However, for optimal functionality use jaws.

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On Aug 10, 2022, at 3:11 PM, Alan Lemly <walemly@...> wrote:

Hi Ann,

When I press insert + j with Fusion 2020
running, the JAWS context menu opens and I hear Run from tray spoken. In the context menu, I have choices for Options, Utilities, Language, Help, and About. All of these choices contain submenus except for About.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 4:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

So. If fusion is running and she presses
insert+j, will that take her to the JAWS screen
or does she have to be running JAWS?
At 03:07 PM 8/10/2022, you wrote:

David,



You can check out this link and I expect it will tell you everything
you want to know about Fusion:



<https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/software/fusion/>https://ww
w.freedomscientific.com/products/software/fusion/



Alan Lemly



From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David
Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 12:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?



What is Fusion? I̢۪ve heard of JAWS of
course and zoomtextext, but have
no idea how Fusion works.



From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis
Chong
Sent: August 10, 2022 8:02 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?



Brian:



You can run JAWS and/or ZoomText as separate programs under your Fusion
license, and you get both in any case. So, as a user, you can choose to
run Fusion, JAWS, ZoomText, or any combination.



Curtis



From:
<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
<<mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 8:58 AM
To: <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?



On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:51 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:

Are you now saying that when Fusion is
installed, you don̢۪t get both JAWS and
ZoomText as a part of the pe package?

-
No, I said precisely what you have: Fusion is
JAWS and ZoomText rolled into one. But the last
time I dealt with Fusion I thought I recalled
there being a "Grand Unified Interface" from
which you could choose, essentially, to use
classic JAWS functions, classic ZoomText
functions, or both at the same time.

That is why I find it confusing to see the
phrasing, "running fusion with zoomText." To
me, that implies Fusion is installed, and
ZoomText is installed as a separate thing, which
makes zero sense to me. If you're running
Fusion you're running Fusion. You may use
whichever of the classic JAWS or ZoomText
functions you wish, but you are not "running
ZoomText" with Fusion, you are using the
magnification features/side of Fusion.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

Here is a test to find out whether your mission
in life is complete. If you̢۪re alive, it isn̢n̢۪t.
~ Lauren Bacall