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Re: Problem after searching for text in office Docs
Curtis Chong
Hello James:
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I just updated my Microsoft 365 software yesterday. I am not finding what you are finding using the CTRL+F command in Word to search for text. Incidentally, do you know that you can ask JAWS to find something in a word document by pressing the JAWS key with the letter f? Once you do the first search, you can repeat the search by pressing JAWS key with F3. Cordially, Curtis Chong
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Lockwood Sent: Friday, August 12, 2022 9:37 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: Problem after searching for text in office Docs Can anyone else reproduce this? This is not a new problem. I’ve been encountering it for a while now. Open up Microsoft word. I have office 365. I’m using jaws 2022. Search for any text. After doing the search, close out that dialog box going back to viewing the word document. Now, try to go down page by page by hitting control page down. Before you conducted the search for the text, control page down moved to the next page. After conducting the search, control page down says something to the effect of search had been completed and you’re taking all the way down to the bottom of the last page no matter where you are in the document. After doing the search it appears that control page down or control page up no longer has the same functionality. This is the case even if you close out Microsoft Word and re-open it.
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Problem after searching for text in office Docs
James Lockwood
Can anyone else reproduce this? This is not a new problem. I’ve been encountering it for a while now. Open up Microsoft word. I have office 365. I’m using jaws 2022. Search for any text. After doing the search, close out that dialog box going back to viewing the word document. Now, try to go down page by page by hitting control page down. Before you conducted the search for the text, control page down moved to the next page. After conducting the search, control page down says something to the effect of search had been completed and you’re taking all the way down to the bottom of the last page no matter where you are in the document. After doing the search it appears that control page down or control page up no longer has the same functionality. This is the case even if you close out Microsoft Word and re-open it.
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Need Help with Frame Viewer
Steve Matzura
I set up a frame that I want automatically spoken when it changes. What I got is a frame that speaks each line in the frame twice whenever the frame changes. I thought the most appropriate choice for action was echo all, because screen echo didn't do anything, echo silent was certainly not what I wanted, and I forgot what the fourth choice is, but it was equally unuseful. What can I do to stop the double-speaking?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Excel 2016
Van Lant, Robin
Wow, had no idea it could toggle! I don’t normally pay attention to it, so I turned it off in the Options, but I could see using it sometime. I was on an Excel class a couple weeks ago and the teacher was telling people to follow the prompts to fill in the formulas. I forgot to ask him where that was visually on the screen to see if I could get JAWS to read it. I’ll ask one of my fellow classmates. I learned that hitting tab after starting to type a formula will populate the function name and the opening parenthesis. I love Excel classes for learning new tricks, but it’s hit or miss as to how much is presented visually that I have to find alternate options to use.
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Re: antimalware question
On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 11:17 AM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
- One could argue that last point, but you also have to remember that Linux has always been open-source and Apple its own very strictly walled garden. Both of these options were distinctly different from Windows, which from the beginning invited very active 3rd party participation in the ecosystem via all sorts of APIs. In the early days any antivirus/security from Microsoft was a joke because they really didn't need to do it. That niche was already filled, multiple times, by 3rd party products. I think they wanted to wrest back some of that niche and had a perfect opportunity when the massive redesign that was Windows As A Service (WAAS) in the form of Windows 10 occurred. Prior to that, the juice would not have been worth the squeeze as far as trying to retrofit something that was truly top-notch. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
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Re: antimalware question
K0LNY
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I think slowly, by the time windows 10 came out,
Microsoft decided that since Linux and Apple are protecting their own products,
that they had to stop leaving that up to third-party companies.
I think it took Microsoft way too long to start
doing this on its own.
Glenn
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: antimalware question I just use what comes with Windows, it may not be the best but it does a good job along with my own vigilence and it is more accessible than any other anti malware program I have tried.- And your choice is a very good one, and that's not just my opinion. Look at the most recent testing results from the following antivirus/security testing labs, along with the historical results from the past several years if you want to see how Windows Security/Defender has been performing. Windows Security has been solidly in the top 10, often top 5, and frequently beats out several well-known competitors that one must pay for. SE Labs (Reports Page) MRG
Effitas (360 Protection Testing
Category) -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build
19044 Here
is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re
alive, it isn’t.
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Re: Jaws and fusion?
Dave Durber
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Abraham:
Thank you for the clarrification
Dave
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Re: antimalware question
On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 08:55 AM, Gene Warner wrote:
I just use what comes with Windows, it may not be the best but it does a good job along with my own vigilence and it is more accessible than any other anti malware program I have tried.- And your choice is a very good one, and that's not just my opinion. Look at the most recent testing results from the following antivirus/security testing labs, along with the historical results from the past several years if you want to see how Windows Security/Defender has been performing. Windows Security has been solidly in the top 10, often top 5, and frequently beats out several well-known competitors that one must pay for. SE Labs (Reports Page) MRG Effitas (360 Protection Testing Category) -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
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Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list
Mike B.
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Hi Mona,
The iPhones list for iPhones only and the other is for
all smart or cell phones.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
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From: mona
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list I must have missed something but what is the difference between the iPhone list and phones for the blind? Thanks.
Mona
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Alan Lemly
Outstanding. I just received notification that you are a new member of PhonesForTheBlind so I’m glad we were able to beat back the email goblins.
Alan
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dave Mitchell
Thanks Alan, I accepted and replied to the invitation you sent and look forward to reading the list messages. Mitch
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From: Alan
Lemly
Dave,
As one of the PhonesForTheBlind moderators, I sent you an invitation from the Admin page to join the list. If it doesn’t appear in your inbox, check your junk folder.
Alan Lemly
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dave Mitchell
Hi Curtis, I got the following ‘send error’ message: We weren't able to send this message, so we've put it in your Drafts folder. Before you try sending it again, you can check to see if the address is correct and that no attachments are too large
As I noted, Windows 10 – my only email client – has roadblocked me before when trying to join lists on Groups.io. I used the owner link provided by Brian and sent a message asking for sign up help and will advise if I learn more. Thanks, Mitch Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Curtis
Chong
Dave:
Can you forward the email which shows the bounce?
Curtis
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Dave Mitchell
Hi, My attempts to sign up to
PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io
Bounce back. My only email program is Windows10Mail. Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach? Thanks for any help. Mitch
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Re: antimalware question
Joseph Machise
hi john don't think so there was a while ago keep in touch.
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From: "John Sanders" <starmy22@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:03 PM Subject: antimalware question Hi my name is John Sanders. I have a question: are there any accessible antimalware programs that work with jaws? Thank you, John
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Re: antimalware question
Gene Warner
I just use what comes with Windows, it may not be the best but it does a good job along with my own vigilence and it is more accessible than any other anti malware program I have tried.
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Gene...
On 8/10/2022 10:03 PM, John Sanders wrote:
Hi my name is John Sanders.
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antimalware question
John Sanders
Hi my name is John Sanders.
I have a question: are there any accessible antimalware programs that work with jaws? Thank you, John
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Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list
mona
I must have missed something but what is the difference between the iPhone list and phones for the blind? Thanks.
Mona
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alan Lemly
Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 9:06 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Help with a different Groups.IO list
Outstanding. I just received notification that you are a new member of PhonesForTheBlind so I’m glad we were able to beat back the email goblins.
Alan
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Thanks Alan, I accepted and replied to the invitation you sent and look forward to reading the list messages. Mitch
Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Alan Lemly
Dave,
As one of the PhonesForTheBlind moderators, I sent you an invitation from the Admin page to join the list. If it doesn’t appear in your inbox, check your junk folder.
Alan Lemly
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Hi Curtis, I got the following ‘send error’ message: We weren't able to send this message, so we've put it in your Drafts folder. Before you try sending it again, you can check to see if the address is correct and that no attachments are too large
As I noted, Windows 10 – my only email client – has roadblocked me before when trying to join lists on Groups.io. I used the owner link provided by Brian and sent a message asking for sign up help and will advise if I learn more. Thanks, Mitch Sent from Mail for Windows
From: Curtis Chong
Dave:
Can you forward the email which shows the bounce?
Curtis
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Hi, My attempts to sign up to
PhonesForTheBlind+subscribe@groups.io
Bounce back. My only email program is Windows10Mail. Is there a way to sign up with help from the owner or some other approach? Thanks for any help. Mitch
Sent from Mail for Windows
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Re: Jaws and fusion?
Abraham Sweiss
I would disagree.
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I use fusion, and use both the audio and magnification. If you want we can talk off-line. Thanks,abraham
On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:50 PM, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
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Re: Jaws and fusion?
Abraham Sweiss
I have been using fusion for the past 3+ years.
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There are three programs installed, fusion, Jaws and zoom text. only one of them can be running at any given time. Thanks,abraham
On Aug 11, 2022, at 3:50 AM, Dave Durber <d.durber@...> wrote:
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Re: Jaws and fusion?
Dave Durber
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Brian:
If Fusion contains both JAWS and ZoomText, then why
would there be a need to have JAWS and ZoomText installed as 2 separate software
packages on the same system. Not only that, if someone is running Fusion and a
separate version of ZoomText at the same time, which magnification package is
taking preference, the zoomText part of Fusion or, the separate version of
ZoonText. To my mind, it would hardly be surprising if there were conflicts
between the 2 versions of ZoonText. I think Glenn has it right,
comfusion.
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Re: Jaws and fusion?
K0LNY
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Exactly, that is like structured discovery, but a
self-induced form of it.
Back when I could see the mouse pointer, I used to
use the mouse trails in case the mouse was the only option to accomplish
something on the computer, and I had the high contrast settings set as
well.
But I never sat close to the screen and never tried
to see what was happening, I didn't worry about reading the icons, the fact that
my sight was going to get worse made me believe in the screenreader and I never
had to worry about getting a soar neck from straining to see the
screen.
I think for someone with eyesight that is going to
get worse, is only hurting him or herself by putting off the inevitable, which
is learning keyboard commands.
To use the crutch of screen magnification when your
sight will diminish is like not learning to use a cane because you are barely
getting by with your sight, when a cane can keep you safe along the
way.
Glenn
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 11:19 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion? For a person just losing her vision, the jump from magnification to audio is huge, because it means acknowledging the b-word (blind).- Ann, You have my sympathy, and I have walked that "mile in your current shoes" in the past. You end up being both a tutor and a counselor and a therapist at various moments and it's not easy. That being said, if this is someone who can be semi-detached about her own situation, it is really worth pointing out that it is far easier to start getting into using a screen reader while you have enough residual vision to see what's going on, particularly when errors occur. It lets you form a visual framework for the audio that is very useful to have, and that you cannot acquire after your vision is gone. I had a client who was a graduate student who was in this situation, and it became obvious early on that magnification was not going to remain an effective compensation over the mid to long term. Very early on I told him that our tutoring work needed to focus far more heavily on developing screen reader skills, but that for practical reasons he should use whichever worked best for him on any given day (his vision was that variable). He recognized that preparing for where he was going was far more critical for his long term success (and happiness, for that matter). If the client adamantly resists, well, you have done your due diligence and given them information they need to hear and consider. There's never any guarantee they'll accept it, but it needs to be said if they've already begun to acknowledge what's to come to a significant extent. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build
19044 Here
is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re
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On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:50 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
For a person just losing her vision, the jump from magnification to audio is huge, because it means acknowledging the b-word (blind).- Ann, You have my sympathy, and I have walked that "mile in your current shoes" in the past. You end up being both a tutor and a counselor and a therapist at various moments and it's not easy. That being said, if this is someone who can be semi-detached about her own situation, it is really worth pointing out that it is far easier to start getting into using a screen reader while you have enough residual vision to see what's going on, particularly when errors occur. It lets you form a visual framework for the audio that is very useful to have, and that you cannot acquire after your vision is gone. I had a client who was a graduate student who was in this situation, and it became obvious early on that magnification was not going to remain an effective compensation over the mid to long term. Very early on I told him that our tutoring work needed to focus far more heavily on developing screen reader skills, but that for practical reasons he should use whichever worked best for him on any given day (his vision was that variable). He recognized that preparing for where he was going was far more critical for his long term success (and happiness, for that matter). If the client adamantly resists, well, you have done your due diligence and given them information they need to hear and consider. There's never any guarantee they'll accept it, but it needs to be said if they've already begun to acknowledge what's to come to a significant extent. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
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Re: Jaws and fusion?
Ann Byrne
thanks, Alan. that is awesome! With that menu I should be able to get to utilities submenu and to tandem.
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At 05:11 PM 8/10/2022, you wrote:
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Re: Jaws and fusion?
Ann Byrne
Yes. Right now she is using fusion, the ZoomText part, at 4.5 magnification. this is totally not practical, and I guess it's up to me to help her realize that. For a person just losing her vision, the jump from magnification to audio is huge, because it means acknowledging the b-word (blind). God grant me wisdom and kindness to help her make this adjustment.
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At 07:17 PM 8/10/2022, you wrote:
Hi,
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