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Re: jaws issues

 

Just touch the TouchPad after you try to disable it with the keystroke, if nothing happens it’s disabled.

If you turn it off with the keystroke that won’t show up in Control Centre.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 12:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi!

Don't think that's the strokes for an hp laptop.

I tried that, then, went into control pannel to see if it had come back on as my friend turned it off, but they hadn't.

 

On 07/02/2018 20:09, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

It’s just a simple toggle keystroke. If I want my wife to do something which requires the TouchPad I just press FN+F7 which is the key combination on my Asus laptop and afterwards I press it again to turn it off.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Val,

If you turn it off, someone who uses a mouse on a laptop will not be able to move the mouse around your screen to help you if needed.

So it’s best to leave it enabled.

 

Andrew

 

From: Val Paul

Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:39 PM

Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi!

Someone turned the touchpad off for me, and showed me how to get to control pannel, to turn it off, but it keeps coming back.

Having a terrible day with the little horror!

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 17:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

My guess is that you might accidently touch the TouchPad and that this takes you to the desktop. Get somebody to check your function keys, there is usually one which disables the TouchPad and this may very well solve much of your problem. Having said this, I rarely type on my laptop when I am at home and prefer a Logitech wireless keyboard (I have the Logitech K780).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi Carol!

Thanks so much.

Having a real bad day with this little madam of a computer!

Could be in the middle of writing an email, then, suddenly, it will revert back to desktop.

My friend told me that when windows updates itsself, this is what happens!

Is this correct?

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 12:17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Val,

I have not finished reading my email, so your question may have already been answered.  But, in case it was not, here is the easiest way to shut down your PC.  First, go to the desktop.
Press alt-F4
Find out where shutdown is on your PC.
Mine happens to be the next to last option, so I press the end key and up arrow one time. 
Press enter on shutdown and you are finished.

Hope this helps.

Carol

On 2/6/2018 8:05 PM, Val Paul wrote:

Hi David!

 

 

On 06/02/2018 23:04, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

First of all, you can do even more in Win10 than you could in Windows 7, but you have to know what to do.

Here is how you navigate the start area in Win10.I suppose when you've been used to something for so long, sometimes you don't like change!  {like me}

I find that as i'm getting older, it's harder to memorize things and keep them in that brain!
You said you had Windows 10 guides, i'm very interested in that.
The thing i'd like to know, is how to close down your computer.

Val.

Press the Windows key, and you are in a search box. Tab once, and you will hear mike. If you enter there, you can ask Cortana a question, just like asking SIRI.

If you tab past the mike, you are in a list. The power button is there, and your account button to open your Microsoft account. Tab again, and you are on your list of apps and programs. Now, you can down arrow through all of your programs. Tab past that, and you are on your app tiles. You can use all arrow keys to go from tile to tile, just like on a phone. Instead of all of that, though, you can just type the program or app you want to bring up in the search edit box.

For example, type:

Notepad in the search edit box, and you will hear Notepad as one of your choices. Just press enter, and Notepad will open. It is that simple to find a program and open it in the search area that is in Windows 7 as well. I have a lot of tutorials on using Windows 10, if you would like them. Windows 10 is different, but you can do everything you did in Windows 7, you just have to do it differently.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

I'm afraid you're going to find that things we were able to do with the old windows, we can't do any more.

They seem to go round the houses before you can do an application.

I much prefer windows 7.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 17:38, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Before the big windows 10 update I could press the windows key and arrow through all of the choices.  I could use the arrow keys to select all programs and other things.  I am unable to do this now.  Does anyone know how to get this resolved?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: jaws 2018 and windows 7

Val Paul
 

Hi!

Think my computer is too new to have that, as i've only had it 2 weeks, and i'll never purchase an hp again!


Val.

On 07/02/2018 20:18, Randy Barnett wrote:
If your PC has a 6th gen or earleir CPU you can install win 7 on it.
On 2/7/2018 7:48 AM, Val Paul wrote:
Lucky you! Wish i could go back to windows 7, but all the new computers have windows 10 already installed.


Val.


On 07/02/2018 15:20, Delaunay Christophe wrote:
Hi Val,

I'm using it for a month now and it works as I expect it to.

The exact configuration is Dell Latitude E5570 running Windows 7 64-bit Entreprise Edition Service Pack 1. The Jaws->About dialog box says "Version 2018 (Build 1712.10 ILM).

Before upgrading to Jaws 2018, I was using Jaws 17. I upgraded to 2018 because it better handles the Google Chrome browser, especially useful for me to access my employer's intranet services.

HTH, Have a nice day. Chris D

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 3:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 2018 and windows 7

Hi!

Could someone please help by settling a slight disagreement my friend and i have just had!

Does the latest version of jaws work with windows 7?

I said that i thought it did, but she disagrees!

What is the case?


Val.









Re: jaws 2018 and windows 7

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

If your PC has a 6th gen or earleir CPU you can install win 7 on it.

On 2/7/2018 7:48 AM, Val Paul wrote:
Lucky you! Wish i could go back to windows 7, but all the new computers have windows 10 already installed.


Val.


On 07/02/2018 15:20, Delaunay Christophe wrote:
Hi Val,

I'm using it for a month now and it works as I expect it to.

The exact configuration is Dell Latitude E5570 running Windows 7 64-bit Entreprise Edition Service Pack 1. The Jaws->About dialog box says "Version 2018 (Build 1712.10 ILM).

Before upgrading to Jaws 2018, I was using Jaws 17. I upgraded to 2018 because it better handles the Google Chrome browser, especially useful for me to access my employer's intranet services.

HTH, Have a nice day. Chris D

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 3:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 2018 and windows 7

Hi!

Could someone please help by settling a slight disagreement my friend and i have just had!

Does the latest version of jaws work with windows 7?

I said that i thought it did, but she disagrees!

What is the case?


Val.







--
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.


Re: jaws 2018 and windows 7

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

Just wanted to add that I have less jaws freezes and overall issues with win 7 than I do with win 10. I use 7 at my work and 10 at home so I use them every day...

On 2/7/2018 6:08 AM, Val Paul wrote:
Hi!

Could someone please help by settling a slight disagreement my friend and i have just had!

Does the latest version of jaws work with windows 7?

I said that i thought it did, but she disagrees!

What is the case?


Val.


--
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.


Re: jaws issues

Val Paul
 

Hi!

Don't think that's the strokes for an hp laptop.

I tried that, then, went into control pannel to see if it had come back on as my friend turned it off, but they hadn't.


On 07/02/2018 20:09, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

It’s just a simple toggle keystroke. If I want my wife to do something which requires the TouchPad I just press FN+F7 which is the key combination on my Asus laptop and afterwards I press it again to turn it off.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Val,

If you turn it off, someone who uses a mouse on a laptop will not be able to move the mouse around your screen to help you if needed.

So it’s best to leave it enabled.

 

Andrew

 

From: Val Paul

Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:39 PM

Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi!

Someone turned the touchpad off for me, and showed me how to get to control pannel, to turn it off, but it keeps coming back.

Having a terrible day with the little horror!

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 17:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

My guess is that you might accidently touch the TouchPad and that this takes you to the desktop. Get somebody to check your function keys, there is usually one which disables the TouchPad and this may very well solve much of your problem. Having said this, I rarely type on my laptop when I am at home and prefer a Logitech wireless keyboard (I have the Logitech K780).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi Carol!

Thanks so much.

Having a real bad day with this little madam of a computer!

Could be in the middle of writing an email, then, suddenly, it will revert back to desktop.

My friend told me that when windows updates itsself, this is what happens!

Is this correct?

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 12:17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Val,

I have not finished reading my email, so your question may have already been answered.  But, in case it was not, here is the easiest way to shut down your PC.  First, go to the desktop.
Press alt-F4
Find out where shutdown is on your PC.
Mine happens to be the next to last option, so I press the end key and up arrow one time. 
Press enter on shutdown and you are finished.

Hope this helps.

Carol

On 2/6/2018 8:05 PM, Val Paul wrote:

Hi David!

 

 

On 06/02/2018 23:04, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

First of all, you can do even more in Win10 than you could in Windows 7, but you have to know what to do.

Here is how you navigate the start area in Win10.I suppose when you've been used to something for so long, sometimes you don't like change!  {like me}

I find that as i'm getting older, it's harder to memorize things and keep them in that brain!
You said you had Windows 10 guides, i'm very interested in that.
The thing i'd like to know, is how to close down your computer.

Val.

Press the Windows key, and you are in a search box. Tab once, and you will hear mike. If you enter there, you can ask Cortana a question, just like asking SIRI.

If you tab past the mike, you are in a list. The power button is there, and your account button to open your Microsoft account. Tab again, and you are on your list of apps and programs. Now, you can down arrow through all of your programs. Tab past that, and you are on your app tiles. You can use all arrow keys to go from tile to tile, just like on a phone. Instead of all of that, though, you can just type the program or app you want to bring up in the search edit box.

For example, type:

Notepad in the search edit box, and you will hear Notepad as one of your choices. Just press enter, and Notepad will open. It is that simple to find a program and open it in the search area that is in Windows 7 as well. I have a lot of tutorials on using Windows 10, if you would like them. Windows 10 is different, but you can do everything you did in Windows 7, you just have to do it differently.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

I'm afraid you're going to find that things we were able to do with the old windows, we can't do any more.

They seem to go round the houses before you can do an application.

I much prefer windows 7.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 17:38, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Before the big windows 10 update I could press the windows key and arrow through all of the choices.  I could use the arrow keys to select all programs and other things.  I am unable to do this now.  Does anyone know how to get this resolved?  

 

 

 

 

 

 



Re: jaws 2018 and windows 7

Randy Barnett <randy@...>
 

I am using the latest release of Jaws 2018 on this windows 7 Home edition 64bit PC to write this message.
It works just fine. some people say Jaws version 16 is faster but I haven't noticed any thing slow about this PC. Just the usual Jaws quirks we are all used to.

On 2/7/2018 6:08 AM, Val Paul wrote:
Hi!

Could someone please help by settling a slight disagreement my friend and i have just had!

Does the latest version of jaws work with windows 7?

I said that i thought it did, but she disagrees!

What is the case?


Val.


--
Sincerely: Randy Barnett
Owner of Soundtique.
Grants Pass, Or.


Re: jaws issues

 

It’s just a simple toggle keystroke. If I want my wife to do something which requires the TouchPad I just press FN+F7 which is the key combination on my Asus laptop and afterwards I press it again to turn it off.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:52 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Val,

If you turn it off, someone who uses a mouse on a laptop will not be able to move the mouse around your screen to help you if needed.

So it’s best to leave it enabled.

 

Andrew

 

From: Val Paul

Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:39 PM

Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi!

Someone turned the touchpad off for me, and showed me how to get to control pannel, to turn it off, but it keeps coming back.

Having a terrible day with the little horror!

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 17:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

My guess is that you might accidently touch the TouchPad and that this takes you to the desktop. Get somebody to check your function keys, there is usually one which disables the TouchPad and this may very well solve much of your problem. Having said this, I rarely type on my laptop when I am at home and prefer a Logitech wireless keyboard (I have the Logitech K780).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi Carol!

Thanks so much.

Having a real bad day with this little madam of a computer!

Could be in the middle of writing an email, then, suddenly, it will revert back to desktop.

My friend told me that when windows updates itsself, this is what happens!

Is this correct?

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 12:17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Val,

I have not finished reading my email, so your question may have already been answered.  But, in case it was not, here is the easiest way to shut down your PC.  First, go to the desktop.
Press alt-F4
Find out where shutdown is on your PC.
Mine happens to be the next to last option, so I press the end key and up arrow one time. 
Press enter on shutdown and you are finished.

Hope this helps.

Carol

On 2/6/2018 8:05 PM, Val Paul wrote:

Hi David!

 

 

On 06/02/2018 23:04, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

First of all, you can do even more in Win10 than you could in Windows 7, but you have to know what to do.

Here is how you navigate the start area in Win10.I suppose when you've been used to something for so long, sometimes you don't like change!  {like me}

I find that as i'm getting older, it's harder to memorize things and keep them in that brain!
You said you had Windows 10 guides, i'm very interested in that.
The thing i'd like to know, is how to close down your computer.

Val.

Press the Windows key, and you are in a search box. Tab once, and you will hear mike. If you enter there, you can ask Cortana a question, just like asking SIRI.

If you tab past the mike, you are in a list. The power button is there, and your account button to open your Microsoft account. Tab again, and you are on your list of apps and programs. Now, you can down arrow through all of your programs. Tab past that, and you are on your app tiles. You can use all arrow keys to go from tile to tile, just like on a phone. Instead of all of that, though, you can just type the program or app you want to bring up in the search edit box.

For example, type:

Notepad in the search edit box, and you will hear Notepad as one of your choices. Just press enter, and Notepad will open. It is that simple to find a program and open it in the search area that is in Windows 7 as well. I have a lot of tutorials on using Windows 10, if you would like them. Windows 10 is different, but you can do everything you did in Windows 7, you just have to do it differently.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

I'm afraid you're going to find that things we were able to do with the old windows, we can't do any more.

They seem to go round the houses before you can do an application.

I much prefer windows 7.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 17:38, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Before the big windows 10 update I could press the windows key and arrow through all of the choices.  I could use the arrow keys to select all programs and other things.  I am unable to do this now.  Does anyone know how to get this resolved?  

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi Carol,
 
Yes you are correct, unchecked items  will not be bothered.
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Hi Mike,

Thank you for the information.  I probably did not know which things to check before.  Am I correct that items without a checkmark will not be bothered? 

Carol


On 2/6/2018 6:00 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Hi Carol,
 
Typically speaking the default settings of CCleaner shouldn't remove anything that could prove to be vital, but, that doesn't mean the default settings work / are best for everyone.  Navigating the settings is somewhat a pain in the rear, & the use of the Jaws cursor is necessary.  To take a look at the default settings, try the following:
1. Open CCleaner & tab to the Tree View.  These settings are for Windows & Internet Explorer.
Note: BE, EXTRA, CAREFUL, DOING, THE, FOLLOWING!
2. Rout the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor, Jaws key + NumPad minus / Jaws cursor key.  Now arrow down, & many of the checkboxes Jaws will not announce unless you press the spacebar, but pay close attention to if Jaws reports checked or unchecked!  If you press the spacebar & Jaws reports, checked, that means that it was unchecked & you just checked it by pressing the spacebar.  So, press the spacebar again to uncheck it, & put the setting back to the default setting.
 
3. Tab 1 time & Jaws will report, Windows, so right arrow to, Applications.  These settings will be for Firefox & other browsers & programs.  Now, shift + tab to put you into the Tree Biew list of settings for these applications / programs.  Navigate these the same way as above, with extreme caution!
 
4. After you are through checking out the Windows & Application settings, tab to, Registry, & press the spacebar.  Jaws won't report anything, but it has been selected.
5. Tab to Tree View Registry Cleaner, & you will navigate this list of settings just like in step#2, with extreme caution!
 
Okay, the above is a quick explanation of how to navigate the settings for just a couple of tools that are available in CCleaner, but if you want to learn more about CCleaner it would be best to read aboutit from their Homepage.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

Yes, but what about us folks that don't know which things should be removed?  I have had things disappear that I did not know about until I needed them.  I stopped using it because I couldn't figure out what things should stay or go.  Typically, I would not mess with anything having to do with the registry. 

Carol


On 2/6/2018 4:25 PM, Mike B. wrote:
As a support technician you shouldn't assume that all Jaws / computer users are as experienced / savvy as yourself!  They're not asking for help because they find it easy!  Please give them tips on how to use the program as they asked instead of simply telling them it's easy!
Below are some tips:
One thing about CCleaner out of the box, Jaws reads everything as buttons.  To make Jaws read the buttons as checkboxes do the following:
From: Dennis L
Hi, if you want jaws to read the status of the buttons in Tools, Options, & Settings do the following.
1. Find an option you know the status of.
2. Press, Insert + 7, on the number row above the main keyboard.
It will say add configuration file.   The name
should say Ccleaner64 press enter
Then it will say edit button. 
Tab once arrow down to check box. 
Tab to add class button press space bar.   Then to ok. 
NOTE THIS HAS ONLY BEEN TESTED WITH CCleaner!
Dennis   
 
From: Stormin
Once inside C-Cleaner:
A: Tab over to clean if that is your choice. Then  hit the space bar. Then
shift + tab to Analyze, press the spacebar, (you will hear the percentages) and then tab to
clean and what I do is shift tab back once and you will hear the list what
it found.  Press, Control + A, to highlight them all, tab to the Run Cleaner button, press the spacebar, the cleaner will remove everything that was selected, & you're done.
 
B: Doing the same but with the registry. Space bar and then tab to Scan and
percentages you will hear and then Highlight what It finds and tab to fix
enter and tab it will say fix or fix or repair all and ..
I am sure there is a person that can explain it much better than this farmer
up in Maine. Really easy to use the program. Along with using for removing
programs from  your computer if you like!
Geno
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonas Voll
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2018 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

That app is very easy to use.

 

 

Jonas Voll
Support Technician I
Envision, Inc.
2301 S Water ST
Wichita, KS 67213
O: 316-425-7141
F: 316-267-4312
www.envisionus.com

Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.


From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Ccleaner and jaws

 

Don't quote me on this! My friend says it's a very visual thing, because i was hoping the same thing.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 19:54, Nino Dagostino wrote:

Hi:

 

Does any body know of a good tutorial for using ccleaner with Jaws?

 

Thank you, thank you for the warning about installing Avas.

 

Have a good day.

 

 

 

 
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Re: jaws issues

Val Paul
 

Hi David!

You don't happen to know what the key strokes are?


Val.


On 07/02/2018 18:55, david wrote:

you should be able to use a function keystroke to turn off and on the mousepad,

not sure of all hp laptops,

but I think the keystroke is, FNKey+f7.

once to turn on, once to turn off.

you can also turn off the mousepad in devices.

most likely the easiest is the function key approach.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Val,

If you turn it off, someone who uses a mouse on a laptop will not be able to move the mouse around your screen to help you if needed.

So it’s best to leave it enabled.

 

Andrew

 

From: Val Paul

Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:39 PM

Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi!

Someone turned the touchpad off for me, and showed me how to get to control pannel, to turn it off, but it keeps coming back.

Having a terrible day with the little horror!

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 17:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

My guess is that you might accidently touch the TouchPad and that this takes you to the desktop. Get somebody to check your function keys, there is usually one which disables the TouchPad and this may very well solve much of your problem. Having said this, I rarely type on my laptop when I am at home and prefer a Logitech wireless keyboard (I have the Logitech K780).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi Carol!

Thanks so much.

Having a real bad day with this little madam of a computer!

Could be in the middle of writing an email, then, suddenly, it will revert back to desktop.

My friend told me that when windows updates itsself, this is what happens!

Is this correct?

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 12:17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Val,

I have not finished reading my email, so your question may have already been answered.  But, in case it was not, here is the easiest way to shut down your PC.  First, go to the desktop.
Press alt-F4
Find out where shutdown is on your PC.
Mine happens to be the next to last option, so I press the end key and up arrow one time. 
Press enter on shutdown and you are finished.

Hope this helps.

Carol


On 2/6/2018 8:05 PM, Val Paul wrote:

Hi David!

 

 

On 06/02/2018 23:04, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

First of all, you can do even more in Win10 than you could in Windows 7, but you have to know what to do.

Here is how you navigate the start area in Win10.I suppose when you've been used to something for so long, sometimes you don't like change!  {like me}

I find that as i'm getting older, it's harder to memorize things and keep them in that brain!
You said you had Windows 10 guides, i'm very interested in that.
The thing i'd like to know, is how to close down your computer.

Val.


Press the Windows key, and you are in a search box. Tab once, and you will hear mike. If you enter there, you can ask Cortana a question, just like asking SIRI.

If you tab past the mike, you are in a list. The power button is there, and your account button to open your Microsoft account. Tab again, and you are on your list of apps and programs. Now, you can down arrow through all of your programs. Tab past that, and you are on your app tiles. You can use all arrow keys to go from tile to tile, just like on a phone. Instead of all of that, though, you can just type the program or app you want to bring up in the search edit box.

For example, type:

Notepad in the search edit box, and you will hear Notepad as one of your choices. Just press enter, and Notepad will open. It is that simple to find a program and open it in the search area that is in Windows 7 as well. I have a lot of tutorials on using Windows 10, if you would like them. Windows 10 is different, but you can do everything you did in Windows 7, you just have to do it differently.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

I'm afraid you're going to find that things we were able to do with the old windows, we can't do any more.

They seem to go round the houses before you can do an application.

I much prefer windows 7.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 17:38, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Before the big windows 10 update I could press the windows key and arrow through all of the choices.  I could use the arrow keys to select all programs and other things.  I am unable to do this now.  Does anyone know how to get this resolved?  

 

 

 

 

 

 



Re: jaws issues

Val Paul
 

Hi Andrew!

Thanks so much.

Would that anyone from using a mouse which plugs into USB port, because i've got one of these, and my friend uses it when she comes to help me.


Val.


On 07/02/2018 18:51, Andrew Summers via Groups.Io wrote:
Val,
If you turn it off, someone who uses a mouse on a laptop will not be able to move the mouse around your screen to help you if needed.
So it’s best to leave it enabled.
 
Andrew
 
From: Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues
 

Hi!

Someone turned the touchpad off for me, and showed me how to get to control pannel, to turn it off, but it keeps coming back.

Having a terrible day with the little horror!

 

Val.


On 07/02/2018 17:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

My guess is that you might accidently touch the TouchPad and that this takes you to the desktop. Get somebody to check your function keys, there is usually one which disables the TouchPad and this may very well solve much of your problem. Having said this, I rarely type on my laptop when I am at home and prefer a Logitech wireless keyboard (I have the Logitech K780).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi Carol!

Thanks so much.

Having a real bad day with this little madam of a computer!

Could be in the middle of writing an email, then, suddenly, it will revert back to desktop.

My friend told me that when windows updates itsself, this is what happens!

Is this correct?

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 12:17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Val,

I have not finished reading my email, so your question may have already been answered.  But, in case it was not, here is the easiest way to shut down your PC.  First, go to the desktop.
Press alt-F4
Find out where shutdown is on your PC.
Mine happens to be the next to last option, so I press the end key and up arrow one time. 
Press enter on shutdown and you are finished.

Hope this helps.

Carol

On 2/6/2018 8:05 PM, Val Paul wrote:

Hi David!

 

 

On 06/02/2018 23:04, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

First of all, you can do even more in Win10 than you could in Windows 7, but you have to know what to do.

Here is how you navigate the start area in Win10.I suppose when you've been used to something for so long, sometimes you don't like change!  {like me}

I find that as i'm getting older, it's harder to memorize things and keep them in that brain!
You said you had Windows 10 guides, i'm very interested in that.
The thing i'd like to know, is how to close down your computer.

Val.

Press the Windows key, and you are in a search box. Tab once, and you will hear mike. If you enter there, you can ask Cortana a question, just like asking SIRI.

If you tab past the mike, you are in a list. The power button is there, and your account button to open your Microsoft account. Tab again, and you are on your list of apps and programs. Now, you can down arrow through all of your programs. Tab past that, and you are on your app tiles. You can use all arrow keys to go from tile to tile, just like on a phone. Instead of all of that, though, you can just type the program or app you want to bring up in the search edit box.

For example, type:

Notepad in the search edit box, and you will hear Notepad as one of your choices. Just press enter, and Notepad will open. It is that simple to find a program and open it in the search area that is in Windows 7 as well. I have a lot of tutorials on using Windows 10, if you would like them. Windows 10 is different, but you can do everything you did in Windows 7, you just have to do it differently.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

I'm afraid you're going to find that things we were able to do with the old windows, we can't do any more.

They seem to go round the houses before you can do an application.

I much prefer windows 7.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 17:38, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Before the big windows 10 update I could press the windows key and arrow through all of the choices.  I could use the arrow keys to select all programs and other things.  I am unable to do this now.  Does anyone know how to get this resolved?  

 

 

 

 

 




Re: jaws issues

david
 

you should be able to use a function keystroke to turn off and on the mousepad,

not sure of all hp laptops,

but I think the keystroke is, FNKey+f7.

once to turn on, once to turn off.

you can also turn off the mousepad in devices.

most likely the easiest is the function key approach.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andrew Summers via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Val,

If you turn it off, someone who uses a mouse on a laptop will not be able to move the mouse around your screen to help you if needed.

So it’s best to leave it enabled.

 

Andrew

 

From: Val Paul

Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:39 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi!

Someone turned the touchpad off for me, and showed me how to get to control pannel, to turn it off, but it keeps coming back.

Having a terrible day with the little horror!

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 17:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

My guess is that you might accidently touch the TouchPad and that this takes you to the desktop. Get somebody to check your function keys, there is usually one which disables the TouchPad and this may very well solve much of your problem. Having said this, I rarely type on my laptop when I am at home and prefer a Logitech wireless keyboard (I have the Logitech K780).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi Carol!

Thanks so much.

Having a real bad day with this little madam of a computer!

Could be in the middle of writing an email, then, suddenly, it will revert back to desktop.

My friend told me that when windows updates itsself, this is what happens!

Is this correct?

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 12:17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Val,

I have not finished reading my email, so your question may have already been answered.  But, in case it was not, here is the easiest way to shut down your PC.  First, go to the desktop.
Press alt-F4
Find out where shutdown is on your PC.
Mine happens to be the next to last option, so I press the end key and up arrow one time. 
Press enter on shutdown and you are finished.

Hope this helps.

Carol


On 2/6/2018 8:05 PM, Val Paul wrote:

Hi David!

 

 

On 06/02/2018 23:04, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

First of all, you can do even more in Win10 than you could in Windows 7, but you have to know what to do.

Here is how you navigate the start area in Win10.I suppose when you've been used to something for so long, sometimes you don't like change!  {like me}

I find that as i'm getting older, it's harder to memorize things and keep them in that brain!
You said you had Windows 10 guides, i'm very interested in that.
The thing i'd like to know, is how to close down your computer.

Val.


Press the Windows key, and you are in a search box. Tab once, and you will hear mike. If you enter there, you can ask Cortana a question, just like asking SIRI.

If you tab past the mike, you are in a list. The power button is there, and your account button to open your Microsoft account. Tab again, and you are on your list of apps and programs. Now, you can down arrow through all of your programs. Tab past that, and you are on your app tiles. You can use all arrow keys to go from tile to tile, just like on a phone. Instead of all of that, though, you can just type the program or app you want to bring up in the search edit box.

For example, type:

Notepad in the search edit box, and you will hear Notepad as one of your choices. Just press enter, and Notepad will open. It is that simple to find a program and open it in the search area that is in Windows 7 as well. I have a lot of tutorials on using Windows 10, if you would like them. Windows 10 is different, but you can do everything you did in Windows 7, you just have to do it differently.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

I'm afraid you're going to find that things we were able to do with the old windows, we can't do any more.

They seem to go round the houses before you can do an application.

I much prefer windows 7.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 17:38, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Before the big windows 10 update I could press the windows key and arrow through all of the choices.  I could use the arrow keys to select all programs and other things.  I am unable to do this now.  Does anyone know how to get this resolved?  

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: jaws issues

Andrew Summers
 

Val,
If you turn it off, someone who uses a mouse on a laptop will not be able to move the mouse around your screen to help you if needed.
So it’s best to leave it enabled.
 
Andrew
 

From: Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues
 

Hi!

Someone turned the touchpad off for me, and showed me how to get to control pannel, to turn it off, but it keeps coming back.

Having a terrible day with the little horror!

 

Val.


On 07/02/2018 17:19, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

My guess is that you might accidently touch the TouchPad and that this takes you to the desktop. Get somebody to check your function keys, there is usually one which disables the TouchPad and this may very well solve much of your problem. Having said this, I rarely type on my laptop when I am at home and prefer a Logitech wireless keyboard (I have the Logitech K780).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io mailto:main@jfw.groups.io On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 5:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

Hi Carol!

Thanks so much.

Having a real bad day with this little madam of a computer!

Could be in the middle of writing an email, then, suddenly, it will revert back to desktop.

My friend told me that when windows updates itsself, this is what happens!

Is this correct?

 

Val.

 

On 07/02/2018 12:17, Carol Smith via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi Val,

I have not finished reading my email, so your question may have already been answered.  But, in case it was not, here is the easiest way to shut down your PC.  First, go to the desktop.
Press alt-F4
Find out where shutdown is on your PC.
Mine happens to be the next to last option, so I press the end key and up arrow one time. 
Press enter on shutdown and you are finished.

Hope this helps.

Carol

On 2/6/2018 8:05 PM, Val Paul wrote:

Hi David!

 

 

On 06/02/2018 23:04, David Moore wrote:

Hi all!

First of all, you can do even more in Win10 than you could in Windows 7, but you have to know what to do.

Here is how you navigate the start area in Win10.I suppose when you've been used to something for so long, sometimes you don't like change!  {like me}

I find that as i'm getting older, it's harder to memorize things and keep them in that brain!
You said you had Windows 10 guides, i'm very interested in that.
The thing i'd like to know, is how to close down your computer.

Val.

Press the Windows key, and you are in a search box. Tab once, and you will hear mike. If you enter there, you can ask Cortana a question, just like asking SIRI.

If you tab past the mike, you are in a list. The power button is there, and your account button to open your Microsoft account. Tab again, and you are on your list of apps and programs. Now, you can down arrow through all of your programs. Tab past that, and you are on your app tiles. You can use all arrow keys to go from tile to tile, just like on a phone. Instead of all of that, though, you can just type the program or app you want to bring up in the search edit box.

For example, type:

Notepad in the search edit box, and you will hear Notepad as one of your choices. Just press enter, and Notepad will open. It is that simple to find a program and open it in the search area that is in Windows 7 as well. I have a lot of tutorials on using Windows 10, if you would like them. Windows 10 is different, but you can do everything you did in Windows 7, you just have to do it differently.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Val Paul
Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 2:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws issues

 

I'm afraid you're going to find that things we were able to do with the old windows, we can't do any more.

They seem to go round the houses before you can do an application.

I much prefer windows 7.

 

Val.

 

On 06/02/2018 17:38, Gery Gaubert wrote:

Before the big windows 10 update I could press the windows key and arrow through all of the choices.  I could use the arrow keys to select all programs and other things.  I am unable to do this now.  Does anyone know how to get this resolved?  

 

 

 

 

 



Re: JAWS residing

Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...>
 

I always have wondered that too. With my first computer, that was their first recommendation to my tech was to put JAWS in the Systems Tray. Well, duh? Why don't they do that? It must make sense to them.



Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS residing

No difference, but I don't like it in the taskbar because then if I Alt+Tab to find a program I always come across Jaws and I just don't need it there.
I am actually surprised that FS doesn't put it in the system tray by default, it's always one of the first changes I make when I install Jaws.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS residing

I was wondering what the technical difference is between having JAWS automatically starting in the system tray (notification area) or in the taskbar. is there a benefit (to Windows) other than where it is found?
anyone know?


Re: win10 and jaws

Carol Smith
 

Yes, I started with a TI99/4a back in the early 80s.  I have gone through DOS, Apple 2e, I taught myself BASIC programming on a Coleco ADAM and I have been through just about all versions of Windows except Vista and the 8 series.  I feel like I am getting too old to go through many more, so I am glad I have Windows 10 and that for the forseeable future, it will remain so. 

Now, with all of that said, where is the best place to look for Windows 10 tutorials?  Thanks.

Carol

On 2/7/2018 12:34 PM, Gery Gaubert wrote:

I’m ok with the new os never afraid of change.  Just trying to figure out how to navigate and once I get all the differences sorted out it will be fine.  I began working on computers in the dos days.  Before that I did a bit on the radio shack trs80 computers where the storage device was a cassette.  In college I programmed in fortran on a burrows main frame.  Input was punch cards.



Re: JAWS residing

netbat66
 

one difference is when it is in the task manager jaws gets in the way when you are alt tabbing between running apps.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mario
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS residing

I was wondering what the technical difference is between having JAWS
automatically starting in the system tray (notification area) or in the
taskbar. is there a benefit (to Windows) other than where it is found?
anyone know?


Re: JAWS residing

 

No difference, but I don't like it in the taskbar because then if I Alt+Tab to find a program I always come across Jaws and I just don't need it there.
I am actually surprised that FS doesn't put it in the system tray by default, it's always one of the first changes I make when I install Jaws.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: JAWS residing

I was wondering what the technical difference is between having JAWS automatically starting in the system tray (notification area) or in the taskbar. is there a benefit (to Windows) other than where it is found?
anyone know?


Re: JAWS residing

dennis
 

yes... if you open in the taskbar, when you alt tab you will go in to the jaws window. in the system trey it's minamized there and when you alt tab you don't enter the jaws window.


On 2/7/2018 12:12 PM, Mario wrote:
I was wondering what the technical difference is between having JAWS
automatically starting in the system tray (notification area) or in the
taskbar. is there a benefit (to Windows) other than where it is found? 
anyone know?






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windows 7 on new computers.

netbat66
 

you can't even install windows 7 on the newest computers. even if you have an un used copy. the mother boards will not support it any more.
and windows 7 support ends in 2020, not 2022
i use removible drives so i can keep useing windows 7 but keep up with windows 10 on the second drive.
hopefully i will have the learning curve mastered by then. grin

-----Original Message-----
From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 10:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2018 and windows 7



And since you bought a new computer with Windows 10 it is my opinion that it is better to get used to it now rather than to wait another 4 years.


Re: jaws 2018 and windows 7

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of dennis
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 10:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2018 and windows 7

 

you are correct... i ment to say 2020. itchy trigger finger.

 

On 2/7/2018 12:06 PM, Mario wrote:

as I understand, Windows 7 will be supported until January 14th of 2020. 
where did you hear windows 7 will be around until 2022?
 
-------- Original Message --------
From: dennis [mailto:dennisc67@...]
Sent: Wednesday, Feb 7, 2018 12:55 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 2018 and windows 7
 
you won't have to get use to it for another 4 years if you don't wan't 
to. win 7
will be around until 2022.
 
 
On 2/7/2018 11:32 AM, Val Paul wrote:
Yes, i'm afraid we will have to get used to it!
 
That wasn't why i sent the message, it was to settle a slight 
disagreement my
friend and i had about windows 7 and jaws 2018.
 
I think also, its the unknown till we get used to it.
 
 
Val.
 
 
On 07/02/2018 17:15, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
Windows 10 is a much better operating system, I hate to say it, but you
better get used to it. I remember when Windows 7 first came out a lot of
blind people wanted the Windows XP look and feeel back. The familiar for 
some
will always seem preferable over the new.
 
Regards,
Sieghard
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 7:48 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws 2018 and windows 7
 
Lucky you! Wish i could go back to windows 7, but all the new computers 
have
windows 10 already installed.
 
 
Val.
 
 
On 07/02/2018 15:20, Delaunay Christophe wrote:
Hi Val,
 
I'm using it for a month now and it works as I expect it to.
 
The exact configuration is Dell Latitude E5570 running Windows 7 64-bit
Entreprise Edition Service Pack 1. The Jaws->About dialog box says "Version
2018 (Build 1712.10 ILM).
 
Before upgrading to Jaws 2018, I was using Jaws 17. I upgraded to 2018
because it better handles the Google Chrome browser, especially useful for
me to access my employer's intranet services.
 
HTH, Have a nice day. Chris D
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Val Paul
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 3:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: jaws 2018 and windows 7
 
Hi!
 
Could someone please help by settling a slight disagreement my friend and i
have just had!
 
Does the latest version of jaws work with windows 7?
 
I said that i thought it did, but she disagrees!
 
What is the case?
 
 
Val.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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JAWS residing

Mario
 

I was wondering what the technical difference is between having JAWS
automatically starting in the system tray (notification area) or in the
taskbar. is there a benefit (to Windows) other than where it is found?
anyone know?