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Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening
Mike Pietruk
Glenn
Sadly, we're living in an age where the "never" is no longer a "never" for so many things. I'm thankful that I'm retired and don't have to be in a work environment where you walk on eggshells in how you react and deal with people. Real human interaction is often impossible as, in return, others are careful in what they say and do with you. If someone really didn't like me, I'd rather I knew that as it makes responding far simpler. So, I'll bet that book narrators these days are given guidelines on many things no one, a generation or 2 back, would have thought of.
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Re: trouble clicking on a button
Madison Martin
Tabbing and then entering on the button didn’t work; this is really weird
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: September 20, 2022 2:02 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: trouble clicking on a button
Yep, I selected 3; I’ll try tabbing.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
I had no problem using MS Edge and JAWS 2022 February release on Windows 10. I put a check mark in the Royals newsletter, then added my email address in that edit box and tabbed to the Sing up buton. I hit enter on that once and got a confirmation page. Did you select which newsletter you wanted? Could be that the button is disabled until you checked at least one newsletter.
Robin
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sure, here it is: https://nationalpost.com/newsletters/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Madison, Are you willing to share an example of one of the site? Sometimes I route my JAWS cursor to the button and left mouse click. I also find more commonly now that I have to actually hit enter twice quickly on some buttons to get them to work. I don’t know the coding reasons for this, but hitting it once seems to start forms mode with JAWS and it’s actually the second press of enter that engages the button.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
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Hi all, I’m trying to sign up for a for a few newsletters but when I enter on the sign up button nothing happens and I’ve even tried using the spacebar with the same lack of a result. I also tried using Narrator but that didn’t work either. I’ve contacted the news site but it said that it’ll likely take them awhile to answer so I’m hoping that someone might be able to help me so that I can get signed up sooner. It doesn’t seem like you need to create an account first so not sure why this isn’t working. Any ideas of how I might be able to get this button to work? I’m using the latest versions of Edge, Jaws 2022 and Windows 11; really hope someone can help me as this is getting rather frustrating as I know that the button is there. Thanks Madison
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Re: trouble clicking on a button
Madison Martin
Yep, I selected 3; I’ll try tabbing.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: September 20, 2022 1:59 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: trouble clicking on a button
I had no problem using MS Edge and JAWS 2022 February release on Windows 10. I put a check mark in the Royals newsletter, then added my email address in that edit box and tabbed to the Sing up buton. I hit enter on that once and got a confirmation page. Did you select which newsletter you wanted? Could be that the button is disabled until you checked at least one newsletter.
Robin
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sure, here it is: https://nationalpost.com/newsletters/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Madison, Are you willing to share an example of one of the site? Sometimes I route my JAWS cursor to the button and left mouse click. I also find more commonly now that I have to actually hit enter twice quickly on some buttons to get them to work. I don’t know the coding reasons for this, but hitting it once seems to start forms mode with JAWS and it’s actually the second press of enter that engages the button.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.
Hi all, I’m trying to sign up for a for a few newsletters but when I enter on the sign up button nothing happens and I’ve even tried using the spacebar with the same lack of a result. I also tried using Narrator but that didn’t work either. I’ve contacted the news site but it said that it’ll likely take them awhile to answer so I’m hoping that someone might be able to help me so that I can get signed up sooner. It doesn’t seem like you need to create an account first so not sure why this isn’t working. Any ideas of how I might be able to get this button to work? I’m using the latest versions of Edge, Jaws 2022 and Windows 11; really hope someone can help me as this is getting rather frustrating as I know that the button is there. Thanks Madison
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Re: trouble clicking on a button
Van Lant, Robin
I had no problem using MS Edge and JAWS 2022 February release on Windows 10. I put a check mark in the Royals newsletter, then added my email address in that edit box and tabbed to the Sing up buton. I hit enter on that once and got a confirmation page. Did you select which newsletter you wanted? Could be that the button is disabled until you checked at least one newsletter.
Robin
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Madison Martin
Sure, here it is: https://nationalpost.com/newsletters/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Madison, Are you willing to share an example of one of the site? Sometimes I route my JAWS cursor to the button and left mouse click. I also find more commonly now that I have to actually hit enter twice quickly on some buttons to get them to work. I don’t know the coding reasons for this, but hitting it once seems to start forms mode with JAWS and it’s actually the second press of enter that engages the button.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Madison Martin
WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.
Hi all, I’m trying to sign up for a for a few newsletters but when I enter on the sign up button nothing happens and I’ve even tried using the spacebar with the same lack of a result. I also tried using Narrator but that didn’t work either. I’ve contacted the news site but it said that it’ll likely take them awhile to answer so I’m hoping that someone might be able to help me so that I can get signed up sooner. It doesn’t seem like you need to create an account first so not sure why this isn’t working. Any ideas of how I might be able to get this button to work? I’m using the latest versions of Edge, Jaws 2022 and Windows 11; really hope someone can help me as this is getting rather frustrating as I know that the button is there. Thanks Madison
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Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening
Lori Lynn
I've read several books recently that used multiple readers. Although this isn't always practical, it is interesting.
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Lori Lynn
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:22 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening Well what made me think of this, was some years back, a local news station switched back and forth between a guy and gal reading the news, and I noticed how it really kept my attention. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening Glenn While you might wish that, when my sighted wife responded to my question about this, she thought I was off my rocker <grin>!! So, asking JAWS to deal with this in the way you suggest (which is a good idea) is beyond the practical technology at this moment at least.
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Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening
K0LNY
Actually, I think back to when I read print.
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And a slightly different font for the genders would not have been distracting. But as mentioned already, it probably wouldn't be a font change, but some sort of markup that only would be there in electronic text. Glenn
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From: "Glenn / Lenny" <glenn@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening I guess if any publishers are concerned about that, it has never been enforced in the world of audio books. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:40 PM Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening Glenn I see where you are coming from; but another problem also occurs to me. In today's politically correct world where gender identity issues rear its head, some authors and publishers rather not deal with the fallout such labeling might bring upon them.
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Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening
K0LNY
I doubt that anyone would call out a reader on this in my opinion, I mean, a
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woman naturally has a higher pitch voice, and all though that isn't always the case, it almost always is. So for that reason, I doubt a reader of a book would have to stop doing that. Glenn
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From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening True, and I've heard this done quite effectively and I like it. However, in context of your question, this is a decision by the reader of the book and not based by author/publisher coding things. It is only time that some audio book narrator somewhere will be taken to task for their interpretation of things.
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Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening
K0LNY
I guess if any publishers are concerned about that, it has never been
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enforced in the world of audio books. Glenn
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From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:40 PM Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening Glenn I see where you are coming from; but another problem also occurs to me. In today's politically correct world where gender identity issues rear its head, some authors and publishers rather not deal with the fallout such labeling might bring upon them.
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Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening
Mike Pietruk
True, and I've heard this done quite effectively and I like it.
However, in context of your question, this is a decision by the reader of the book and not based by author/publisher coding things. It is only time that some audio book narrator somewhere will be taken to task for their interpretation of things.
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Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening
Mike Pietruk
Glenn
I see where you are coming from; but another problem also occurs to me. In today's politically correct world where gender identity issues rear its head, some authors and publishers rather not deal with the fallout such labeling might bring upon them.
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Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening
K0LNY
Actually, there is some president for this anyway,
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In many fiction audio books I have read, the male reader will often alter their voice to sound like the other gender, or sometimes a child. Glenn
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From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening Glenn While you might wish that, when my sighted wife responded to my question about this, she thought I was off my rocker <grin>!! So, asking JAWS to deal with this in the way you suggest (which is a good idea) is beyond the practical technology at this moment at least.
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Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening
K0LNY
Well what made me think of this, was some years back, a local news station
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switched back and forth between a guy and gal reading the news, and I noticed how it really kept my attention. Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:01 PM Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening Glenn While you might wish that, when my sighted wife responded to my question about this, she thought I was off my rocker <grin>!! So, asking JAWS to deal with this in the way you suggest (which is a good idea) is beyond the practical technology at this moment at least.
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Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening
Mike Pietruk
Glenn
While you might wish that, when my sighted wife responded to my question about this, she thought I was off my rocker <grin>!! So, asking JAWS to deal with this in the way you suggest (which is a good idea) is beyond the practical technology at this moment at least.
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Re: trouble clicking on a button
Madison Martin
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: September 20, 2022 11:45 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: trouble clicking on a button
Madison, Are you willing to share an example of one of the site? Sometimes I route my JAWS cursor to the button and left mouse click. I also find more commonly now that I have to actually hit enter twice quickly on some buttons to get them to work. I don’t know the coding reasons for this, but hitting it once seems to start forms mode with JAWS and it’s actually the second press of enter that engages the button.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.
Hi all, I’m trying to sign up for a for a few newsletters but when I enter on the sign up button nothing happens and I’ve even tried using the spacebar with the same lack of a result. I also tried using Narrator but that didn’t work either. I’ve contacted the news site but it said that it’ll likely take them awhile to answer so I’m hoping that someone might be able to help me so that I can get signed up sooner. It doesn’t seem like you need to create an account first so not sure why this isn’t working. Any ideas of how I might be able to get this button to work? I’m using the latest versions of Edge, Jaws 2022 and Windows 11; really hope someone can help me as this is getting rather frustrating as I know that the button is there. Thanks Madison
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Re: trouble clicking on a button
Van Lant, Robin
Madison, Are you willing to share an example of one of the site? Sometimes I route my JAWS cursor to the button and left mouse click. I also find more commonly now that I have to actually hit enter twice quickly on some buttons to get them to work. I don’t know the coding reasons for this, but hitting it once seems to start forms mode with JAWS and it’s actually the second press of enter that engages the button.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Madison Martin
WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.
Hi all, I’m trying to sign up for a for a few newsletters but when I enter on the sign up button nothing happens and I’ve even tried using the spacebar with the same lack of a result. I also tried using Narrator but that didn’t work either. I’ve contacted the news site but it said that it’ll likely take them awhile to answer so I’m hoping that someone might be able to help me so that I can get signed up sooner. It doesn’t seem like you need to create an account first so not sure why this isn’t working. Any ideas of how I might be able to get this button to work? I’m using the latest versions of Edge, Jaws 2022 and Windows 11; really hope someone can help me as this is getting rather frustrating as I know that the button is there. Thanks Madison KeyCorp Public KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. prohibits the use of texts or other unapproved messaging applications for business purposes. This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening
Soronel Haetir
Not sure about font but this could be achieved through markup, I
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simply doubt you are going to get many writers/publishers interested. Also, different fonts would be maddening to the sighted so is very likely a non-starter.
On 9/20/22, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:
I always have wished story writers would use something to denote a male --
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trouble clicking on a button
Madison Martin
Hi all, I’m trying to sign up for a for a few newsletters but when I enter on the sign up button nothing happens and I’ve even tried using the spacebar with the same lack of a result. I also tried using Narrator but that didn’t work either. I’ve contacted the news site but it said that it’ll likely take them awhile to answer so I’m hoping that someone might be able to help me so that I can get signed up sooner. It doesn’t seem like you need to create an account first so not sure why this isn’t working. Any ideas of how I might be able to get this button to work? I’m using the latest versions of Edge, Jaws 2022 and Windows 11; really hope someone can help me as this is getting rather frustrating as I know that the button is there. Thanks Madison
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Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening
K0LNY
I always have wished story writers would use something to denote a male
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speaker and a female speaker, so we could set a synthesizer to read one sort of text with a female TTS and the other with a male TTS. I've wondered if they used a different font for the text of the dialog, if Jaws could be set to read one font with a different TTS than the other. Glenn
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From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:33 AM Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening Hi Mike, I'm with you, and I don't like different voices in any context, because they cause unnecessary pauses, albeit they are short ones. But as you say, it is completely personal this. All the best Steve -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: 17 September 2022 21:23 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening Mark This is really a very personal question; and it's not so much a JAWS question; but one using a screen reader in general. I take it that you are new at this; and the best suggestion I can make is play around and see what you are most comfortable with. Your use of the word cognative suggests to me that you are overthinking all of this. Some people like reading fast; others prefer regular speech rates. Some prefer one voice for everything; and others may assign a different voice for different things. In short, it takes time to become comfortable using a screen reader as a way to deal with the pc screen. Personally, I try not to overdo adjustments and customization -- but that's me.
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Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening
Steve Nutt
Hi Mike,
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I'm with you, and I don't like different voices in any context, because they cause unnecessary pauses, albeit they are short ones. But as you say, it is completely personal this. All the best Steve
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: 17 September 2022 21:23 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening Mark This is really a very personal question; and it's not so much a JAWS question; but one using a screen reader in general. I take it that you are new at this; and the best suggestion I can make is play around and see what you are most comfortable with. Your use of the word cognative suggests to me that you are overthinking all of this. Some people like reading fast; others prefer regular speech rates. Some prefer one voice for everything; and others may assign a different voice for different things. In short, it takes time to become comfortable using a screen reader as a way to deal with the pc screen. Personally, I try not to overdo adjustments and customization -- but that's me.
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