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moderated Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

Well your best bet is use JAWS 2021. If you can't afford to upgrade yes you should use another browser such as Edge chromium. Sorry, but you run into these things when someone is still running older versions of JAWS.

On 6/4/2021 12:11 PM, Mario wrote:
on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it was upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and browsing to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any website even though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and please don't tell me to use another browser.





moderated Re: quick Firefox question

Chris
 

By default they are installed automatically, there is an option to be notified only under firefox settings

But you cannot turn updates off

 

 

From: Madison Martin
Sent: 04 June 2021 18:14
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: quick Firefox question

 

Hi all,

Since there's been talk about updates for Firefox, I'm wondering are updates

done automatically like with Edge, or do you  have to check and install them? If

so, how do you  do this? Thanks

Madison

 

 

 

 

 

 


moderated Re: quick Firefox question

Soronel Haetir
 

The default is that updates are installed automatically. You can
change that under the Tools -> Settings under the "Firefox Updates"
header.

On 6/4/21, Madison Martin <madisonmartin463@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
Since there's been talk about updates for Firefox, I'm wondering are
updates
done automatically like with Edge, or do you have to check and install
them? If
so, how do you do this? Thanks
Madison






--
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soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated quick Firefox question

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,
Since there's been talk about updates for Firefox, I'm wondering are updates
done automatically like with Edge, or do you have to check and install them? If
so, how do you do this? Thanks
Madison


moderated Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Richard Turner
 

Good to know.
So, maybe it isn't Firefox but something else on people's systems.

It sounds like others are having similar issues.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 9:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: browsing with Firefox 89

I did the 'refresh' offered as part of Firefox's troubleshooting mode and now it works again. And yes, this is 89.0.

On 6/4/21, Daniel Wolak <danielwolak97@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am by no means an expert, but assuming this issue is the same
Mozilla is already aware of this and there are several comments that
explain the issue in more detail.

A possible fix is also mentioned.

See here:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbugzi
lla.mozilla.org%2Fshow_bug.cgi%3Fid%3D1714212&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6b
5474c1ff9d4c01986308d92777a219%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%
7C0%7C637584217029042654%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiL
CJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=gceGbaJ
IWR7aVl3TeJa44c%2BNYXP9XYJ8n2HgEF5iK2o%3D&amp;reserved=0


Hth a bit,


Daniel


On 2021-06-04 12:32 p.m., Soronel Haetir wrote:
I am experiencing exactly the issue you describe. I took the time to
examine the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and while the
menu and toolbar buttons show up as normal there is simply no node
for the page content.


On 6/4/21, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it
was upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and
browsing to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any
website even though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and
please don't tell me to use another browser.











--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Soronel Haetir
 

I did the 'refresh' offered as part of Firefox's troubleshooting mode
and now it works again. And yes, this is 89.0.

On 6/4/21, Daniel Wolak <danielwolak97@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am by no means an expert, but assuming this issue is the same Mozilla
is already aware of this and there are several comments that explain the
issue in more detail.

A possible fix is also mentioned.

See here:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1714212


Hth a bit,


Daniel


On 2021-06-04 12:32 p.m., Soronel Haetir wrote:
I am experiencing exactly the issue you describe. I took the time to
examine the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and while the
menu and toolbar buttons show up as normal there is simply no node for
the page content.


On 6/4/21, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it was
upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and browsing
to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any website even
though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and please
don't tell me to use another browser.










--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated Re: games

JM Casey
 

Hmm…well, software never really goes away entirely, it just fades away. I wouldn’t’ be surprised if these were on the web somewhere, and they may well work with Windows 10, possibly with some small amount of tweaking.

How niche are these games?

A good place for old software is:

http://www.oldversion.com

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: June 4, 2021 12:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: games

 

I know this is a thread where someone else asked about games originally, but I also have a question. I am wondering if there is a way to get hold of some of the old windows vista and XP games. There are two that I am looking for mainly. One of them is the 3-D pinball from windows XP, and the other one is called Purble place. It’s a matching game that was from Windows Vista, and I love it!



On Jun 4, 2021, at 8:39 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:



Hello Mark.

 

What sort of games are you looking into?

Obviously as JAWS is a text screen-reader you will not have much luck with graphical games (though I understand you can use OCR for some things)…I have heard f a few modern games with some accessibility-related features, but I don’t know much about that and, actually I suspect they are not really JAWS-related/won’t work with your screen-reader and are actually audio feedback from the games themselves.

Of course you can always try text adventures, card games, word games, etc.

There is rs-games, a site where there are several card and-board-game type things you can play with others. I haven’t used it in a while, but if you can get a party together to play with, it can be fairly cool.

I personally am a fan of interactive fiction type games which can be found on websites and downlaoded from placesl ike the Interactive Fiction archive (you need interpreter programmes for most of these).

I haven’t played any in years, but there are also Multi-User Dungeons (MUDs), which are set up online and accessed through various clients (or even just a telnet terminal. They are multi-player and they work a lot like dungeons and dragons, if you are familiar with that, except all the dice-rolling and such happens behind the scenes.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: June 3, 2021 08:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: games

 

does any have experience of using JAWS with computer games, preferably multiplayer games


moderated Re: games

JM Casey
 

Ah, yes, Quentin C’s gameroom – I believe I downloaded that on my old pC, but, as there was never anyone around to play with, I never used it. I guess if I had more friends in the so-called community; I might go on either of those sites more often, but whenever I logged into RS recently it was also a bit of a ghost town.

So I just play dungeons and dragons online now. Haha

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jasmine Kotsay
Sent: June 4, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: games

 

There’s also Quinton sees playroom, which is a web-based set of games kind of like RS, and it also has a client like RS does. They are pretty awesome, although the interface is a bit intense.



On Jun 4, 2021, at 8:39 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:



Hello Mark.

 

What sort of games are you looking into?

Obviously as JAWS is a text screen-reader you will not have much luck with graphical games (though I understand you can use OCR for some things)…I have heard f a few modern games with some accessibility-related features, but I don’t know much about that and, actually I suspect they are not really JAWS-related/won’t work with your screen-reader and are actually audio feedback from the games themselves.

Of course you can always try text adventures, card games, word games, etc.

There is rs-games, a site where there are several card and-board-game type things you can play with others. I haven’t used it in a while, but if you can get a party together to play with, it can be fairly cool.

I personally am a fan of interactive fiction type games which can be found on websites and downlaoded from placesl ike the Interactive Fiction archive (you need interpreter programmes for most of these).

I haven’t played any in years, but there are also Multi-User Dungeons (MUDs), which are set up online and accessed through various clients (or even just a telnet terminal. They are multi-player and they work a lot like dungeons and dragons, if you are familiar with that, except all the dice-rolling and such happens behind the scenes.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: June 3, 2021 08:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: games

 

does any have experience of using JAWS with computer games, preferably multiplayer games


moderated Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Daniel Wolak
 

I am by no means an expert, but assuming this issue is the same Mozilla is already aware of this and there are several comments that explain the issue in more detail.

A possible fix is also mentioned.

See here:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1714212


Hth a bit,


Daniel

On 2021-06-04 12:32 p.m., Soronel Haetir wrote:
I am experiencing exactly the issue you describe. I took the time to
examine the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and while the
menu and toolbar buttons show up as normal there is simply no node for
the page content.


On 6/4/21, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it was
upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and browsing
to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any website even
though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and please
don't tell me to use another browser.







moderated Re: Firefox not working

Soronel Haetir
 

Okay, I should say I just tried restarting FF with extensions disabled
and it now works. Guess I need to go through my extensions and try
disabling them one at a time.

On 6/4/21, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
I just tried Firefox 89.0 with Jaws 2021 and had no problems after declining
to make it my default and to save a theme or some such thing.
Try rebooting.
Jaws 2020 seems to be a bit sluggish when I tested with it, but since I
primarily use Jaws 2021, I did not go much beyond just confirming that it
works but just takes longer to load.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Firefox not working

List members,

I got a Firefox update yesterday and now there is simply no accessibility,
even the menus can not be read reliably. I examined the UIA tree with an
accessibility test tool and the nodes needed by jaws simply are not present.
I'm using chrome to submit this but I really don't care for it, much prefer
FF.

Has anyone else experienced this?


--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com










--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated Re: Firefox not working

JM Casey
 

Hello.
There are a loto f commentaries about this on other lists.
I cancelled the update for now and am still running v88.0.1.
Just curious -- do you have a firefox profile?
It seems that if you disable automatic loading of profiles, things work ok, or at least I read that from someone. But most people who have experienced this do not mention a profile, so I'm not sure of this, really.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: June 4, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Firefox not working

List members,

I got a Firefox update yesterday and now there is simply no accessibility, even the menus can not be read reliably. I examined the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and the nodes needed by jaws simply are not present. I'm using chrome to submit this but I really don't care for it, much prefer FF.

Has anyone else experienced this?


--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated Re: Firefox not working

Richard Turner
 

I just tried Firefox 89.0 with Jaws 2021 and had no problems after declining to make it my default and to save a theme or some such thing.
Try rebooting.
Jaws 2020 seems to be a bit sluggish when I tested with it, but since I primarily use Jaws 2021, I did not go much beyond just confirming that it works but just takes longer to load.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Firefox not working

List members,

I got a Firefox update yesterday and now there is simply no accessibility, even the menus can not be read reliably. I examined the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and the nodes needed by jaws simply are not present. I'm using chrome to submit this but I really don't care for it, much prefer FF.

Has anyone else experienced this?


--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Soronel Haetir
 

I am experiencing exactly the issue you describe. I took the time to
examine the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and while the
menu and toolbar buttons show up as normal there is simply no node for
the page content.

On 6/4/21, Mario <mrb620@hotmail.com> wrote:
on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it was
upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and browsing
to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any website even
though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and please
don't tell me to use another browser.






--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated Firefox not working

Soronel Haetir
 

List members,

I got a Firefox update yesterday and now there is simply no
accessibility, even the menus can not be read reliably. I examined the
UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and the nodes needed by jaws
simply are not present. I'm using chrome to submit this but I really
don't care for it, much prefer FF.

Has anyone else experienced this?


--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


moderated Re: games

Jasmine Kotsay
 

There’s also Quinton sees playroom, which is a web-based set of games kind of like RS, and it also has a client like RS does. They are pretty awesome, although the interface is a bit intense.

On Jun 4, 2021, at 8:39 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:



Hello Mark.

 

What sort of games are you looking into?

Obviously as JAWS is a text screen-reader you will not have much luck with graphical games (though I understand you can use OCR for some things)…I have heard f a few modern games with some accessibility-related features, but I don’t know much about that and, actually I suspect they are not really JAWS-related/won’t work with your screen-reader and are actually audio feedback from the games themselves.

Of course you can always try text adventures, card games, word games, etc.

There is rs-games, a site where there are several card and-board-game type things you can play with others. I haven’t used it in a while, but if you can get a party together to play with, it can be fairly cool.

I personally am a fan of interactive fiction type games which can be found on websites and downlaoded from placesl ike the Interactive Fiction archive (you need interpreter programmes for most of these).

I haven’t played any in years, but there are also Multi-User Dungeons (MUDs), which are set up online and accessed through various clients (or even just a telnet terminal. They are multi-player and they work a lot like dungeons and dragons, if you are familiar with that, except all the dice-rolling and such happens behind the scenes.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: June 3, 2021 08:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: games

 

does any have experience of using JAWS with computer games, preferably multiplayer games


moderated Re: games

Jasmine Kotsay
 

I know this is a thread where someone else asked about games originally, but I also have a question. I am wondering if there is a way to get hold of some of the old windows vista and XP games. There are two that I am looking for mainly. One of them is the 3-D pinball from windows XP, and the other one is called Purble place. It’s a matching game that was from Windows Vista, and I love it!

On Jun 4, 2021, at 8:39 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:



Hello Mark.

 

What sort of games are you looking into?

Obviously as JAWS is a text screen-reader you will not have much luck with graphical games (though I understand you can use OCR for some things)…I have heard f a few modern games with some accessibility-related features, but I don’t know much about that and, actually I suspect they are not really JAWS-related/won’t work with your screen-reader and are actually audio feedback from the games themselves.

Of course you can always try text adventures, card games, word games, etc.

There is rs-games, a site where there are several card and-board-game type things you can play with others. I haven’t used it in a while, but if you can get a party together to play with, it can be fairly cool.

I personally am a fan of interactive fiction type games which can be found on websites and downlaoded from placesl ike the Interactive Fiction archive (you need interpreter programmes for most of these).

I haven’t played any in years, but there are also Multi-User Dungeons (MUDs), which are set up online and accessed through various clients (or even just a telnet terminal. They are multi-player and they work a lot like dungeons and dragons, if you are familiar with that, except all the dice-rolling and such happens behind the scenes.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: June 3, 2021 08:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: games

 

does any have experience of using JAWS with computer games, preferably multiplayer games


moderated Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Richard Turner
 

Mario,
I just launch Firefox for the first time after their update to 89.0.
There were a couple of dialogs I had to get through about making it my default browser; which I chose not at this time, and something about a theme, which I also said not now.

Then, with Jaws 2021, web pages loaded quickly and normally.
I unloaded 2021 and loaded Jaws 2020 and found the browser less responsive.
It took much longer before a web site was ready but then I could navigate the same as always.
Sometimes, I have to tab at least once before a web page behaves correctly for some reason.

I usually use Edge.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 9:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: browsing with Firefox 89

on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it was upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and browsing to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any website even though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and please don't tell me to use another browser.


moderated Re: browsing with Firefox 89

Milton Ota
 

I suspect your problem is not the browser at all, it probably has to do with the version of JAWS that you are running, as you say you are suing JAWS 2020.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 11:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: browsing with Firefox 89

on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it was upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and browsing to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any website even though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and please don't tell me to use another browser.


moderated browsing with Firefox 89

Mario
 

on occasion, I will use Firefox to browse a website, and recently it was upgraded to version 89.0. now I find that after starting FF and browsing to a website using JAWS 2020,I am not able to navigate any website even though it's home page is open.

has anyone experience this, and any fixes for this problem? and please don't tell me to use another browser.


moderated Re: games

JM Casey
 

Hello Mark.

 

What sort of games are you looking into?

Obviously as JAWS is a text screen-reader you will not have much luck with graphical games (though I understand you can use OCR for some things)…I have heard f a few modern games with some accessibility-related features, but I don’t know much about that and, actually I suspect they are not really JAWS-related/won’t work with your screen-reader and are actually audio feedback from the games themselves.

Of course you can always try text adventures, card games, word games, etc.

There is rs-games, a site where there are several card and-board-game type things you can play with others. I haven’t used it in a while, but if you can get a party together to play with, it can be fairly cool.

I personally am a fan of interactive fiction type games which can be found on websites and downlaoded from placesl ike the Interactive Fiction archive (you need interpreter programmes for most of these).

I haven’t played any in years, but there are also Multi-User Dungeons (MUDs), which are set up online and accessed through various clients (or even just a telnet terminal. They are multi-player and they work a lot like dungeons and dragons, if you are familiar with that, except all the dice-rolling and such happens behind the scenes.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: June 3, 2021 08:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: games

 

does any have experience of using JAWS with computer games, preferably multiplayer games

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