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moderated Re: Express Scribe Transcription Software Accessibility

Mike Elledge
 

Sounds good.




On Thursday, June 24, 2021, 4:06 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:

Joe,
Many programs used in the business place are written in HTML, although I
have no idea if this particular software is as such.
But if it is, you can label the fields with Jaws, or at least, if not, you
can make a frame around them, which is basic Jaws stuff.
Or if it is HTML, you can put place markers  on the fields.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe DiNero" <joedinero68@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 2:54 PM
Subject: Express Scribe Transcription Software Accessibility


Hi Everyone,

I have a client that just started a position at a law firm, and she has to
use a couple of software packages where she states that some of the fields
in the software are not labeled. One of those applications is Express Scribe
is there anyone on the list who does either legal or medical transcription
that can comment about the accessibility of the software, or if there are
keyboard shortcuts that can allow the user to perform most , if not all
tasks in the application.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tom x
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 2:12 AM
Subject: creating an electronic copy update

Hi,


An update on "creating an electronic document."


Using Windows Fax and scan,an electronic copy  of a signed document was
created successfully, attached to an email and sent off.


A few settings had to be altered but am very pleased with the result.


A list menber mentioned that my flatbed scanner should be able to put
out a pdf file from the scanned document but this was not successful.
Although the Epson Perfection scanner does have a button to output a pdf
file but when pressed, nothing happened.


Maybe the scanner software should be uninstalled and then reinstalled
once again.


Thanks to all those who made suggestions.



Tom





















moderated Re: question

JM Casey
 

Hi Rosie.

 

Well now, ctrl-shift-escape will get you to the task manager.

Insert-f10 is a jaws command that invokes a list of application windows. You can’t really do anything with them once you see the list except go to that open window. It also doesn’t show processes or even background apps, just ones with visible windows. The task manager is a feature of windows and you can use it to do many things, like monitor the status of running proccesses (prorammes) to see how much disk space, ram or CpU they are using, start and end tasks, configure startup items and more.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of meow meow
Sent: June 24, 2021 04:17 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: question

 

 

    

Rosie here...

 

what is differnet between  manager  shift control plus escape  and another is  f10 plus insert appacashion

 sorry can't spell it

 

thanks

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at with your first question.

As far as getting the full path for any selected file or files, ALT+H,CP, will copy the full path to the file(s) to the clipboard for pasting wherever you might need it.  If you have multiple files selected, the paths, when pasted, will be one to a line.
--

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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated question

meow meow
 

 
    
Rosie here...
 
what is differnet between  manager  shift control plus escape  and another is  f10 plus insert appacashion
 sorry can't spell it
 
thanks

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at with your first question.

As far as getting the full path for any selected file or files, ALT+H,CP, will copy the full path to the file(s) to the clipboard for pasting wherever you might need it.  If you have multiple files selected, the paths, when pasted, will be one to a line.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Express Scribe Transcription Software Accessibility

Glenn / Lenny
 

Joe,
Many programs used in the business place are written in HTML, although I have no idea if this particular software is as such.
But if it is, you can label the fields with Jaws, or at least, if not, you can make a frame around them, which is basic Jaws stuff.
Or if it is HTML, you can put place markers on the fields.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe DiNero" <joedinero68@gmail.com>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 2:54 PM
Subject: Express Scribe Transcription Software Accessibility


Hi Everyone,

I have a client that just started a position at a law firm, and she has to use a couple of software packages where she states that some of the fields in the software are not labeled. One of those applications is Express Scribe is there anyone on the list who does either legal or medical transcription that can comment about the accessibility of the software, or if there are keyboard shortcuts that can allow the user to perform most , if not all tasks in the application.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tom x
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 2:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: creating an electronic copy update

Hi,


An update on "creating an electronic document."


Using Windows Fax and scan,an electronic copy of a signed document was created successfully, attached to an email and sent off.


A few settings had to be altered but am very pleased with the result.


A list menber mentioned that my flatbed scanner should be able to put
out a pdf file from the scanned document but this was not successful.
Although the Epson Perfection scanner does have a button to output a pdf
file but when pressed, nothing happened.


Maybe the scanner software should be uninstalled and then reinstalled
once again.


Thanks to all those who made suggestions.



Tom


moderated Express Scribe Transcription Software Accessibility

Joe DiNero
 

Hi Everyone,

I have a client that just started a position at a law firm, and she has to use a couple of software packages where she states that some of the fields in the software are not labeled. One of those applications is Express Scribe is there anyone on the list who does either legal or medical transcription that can comment about the accessibility of the software, or if there are keyboard shortcuts that can allow the user to perform most , if not all tasks in the application.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of tom x
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 2:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: creating an electronic copy update

Hi,


An update on "creating an electronic document."


Using Windows Fax and scan,an electronic copy of a signed document was created successfully, attached to an email and sent off.


A few settings had to be altered but am very pleased with the result.


A list menber mentioned that my flatbed scanner should be able to put
out a pdf file from the scanned document but this was not successful.
Although the Epson Perfection scanner does have a button to output a pdf
file but when pressed, nothing happened.


Maybe the scanner software should be uninstalled and then reinstalled
once again.


Thanks to all those who made suggestions.



Tom


moderated creating an electronic copy update

tom x
 

Hi,


An update on "creating an electronic document."


Using Windows Fax and scan,an electronic copy  of a signed document was created successfully, attached to an email and sent off.


A few settings had to be altered but am very pleased with the result.


A list menber mentioned that my flatbed scanner should be able to put out a pdf file from the scanned document but this was not successful. Although the Epson Perfection scanner does have a button to output a pdf file but when pressed, nothing happened.


Maybe the scanner software should be uninstalled and then reinstalled once again.


Thanks to all those who made suggestions.



Tom


moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

I’ll add to what Brian said. You might consider opening a File Explorer window, pressing alt + f and arrowing down to Change folder and search options, and pressing enter to open those. This will open a Folder options dialog box that has three tabs: General, View, and Search. Under the View tab, there is an Advanced section and one of the options in it is a checkbox to Display the full path in the title bar. When this is checked on, pressing Insert + t will announce the full path of any file with focus while in File Explorer.

 

 Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 10:37 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at with your first question.

As far as getting the full path for any selected file or files, ALT+H,CP, will copy the full path to the file(s) to the clipboard for pasting wherever you might need it.  If you have multiple files selected, the paths, when pasted, will be one to a line.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

JM Casey
 

Yeah, there are a series of buttons that you reach just by hitting tab from the list view that change the sort order. You’re probably inadvertently pressing one of those. If you press the same button again, you’ll get the reverse sort order. The one you are landing on is probably “name”, and so this will place stuff at the end of the alphabet at the top of the list. Pressing that button again will get you back to the standard alphabetical order with numbers up top, followed by a, etc.

 

I seldom tab around in file explorer unless I’m trying to set something.

But for network drives, yeah,t eh structure can certainly be more complicated and different methods may work better. I know there’s no way I could remember the system at work so my usualy method on my own computer of typing in pathnames is not a lot of good.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: June 23, 2021 06:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

I tend to stay in the listview for much of my navigation at home, where my file structure is pretty straight forward and I’m usually working in Documents. Here at work, were we have various network folders, One Drive, and the  like, I do use the tree view more often.  Because some of  our network drives are multiple levels and I am accessing a folder deep in the structure, I will often add the folder I need to the Quick Access section, which is at the top of the tree view. Then again, my favorite approach is to save a shortcut to frequently accessed folders onto my desktop. If I name them well, first letter navigation on the desktop helps me jump to folders quickly.  In this case, tree view is typically more efficient. If I don’t open file explorer from a shortcut on my desktop, I use Windows E, then Shift Tab once to the Tree view. Where the tree view becomes critical is when I’m doing a save as or creating a new document and need to navigate to the correct folder,  Also seems like I need to check the full file path in the Save As dialog more frequently lately, as I’ve been inadvertently saving things in the wrong place lately, assuming the save as dialog is defaulting to one place, when it’s actually putting my file in another.  All user error and the treatment is slowing myself down to double check the folder. 

 

It does seem like the File Explore window is more complicated than it needs to be for those of us tabbing through it. I’d love to simplify the view.  Some of the button options are useful for the sighted, but not useful for me. I also struggle when I accidentally open a setting that rattles one with the alphabet somehow. Not sure how to describe it, but guessing is a way of sorting the listview.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 10:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

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I don’t’ really understand the first question either. Are you having trouble selecting files?

 

My favourite explorer thing, which I genuinely am baffled more people don’t do instead of navigating through a familiar folder structure, is to open a window to a folder by hitting windows key + r for “run”, and typing in the path.

For special folders in your user directory, you don’t even need thf ull path

For example, just hit windows + r and type “downloads”, and there you go.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: June 23, 2021 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Tips for File Explorer

 

I'm struggling a bit with File Explorer and wonder if folks had some observations or advice about using it? For example, in terms of the task of navigating the file system, perhaps it's easiest to stay in the multi-select item view and use alt + up and enter to go up or down the folder structure.

Another example, is does anyone have advice for learning the file path to the current location? I do alt + d which moves the focus to an edit combo with the file path. But I have trouble getting to itself. I'm not sure if there's a better way and I'm missing something.



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moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

Van Lant, Robin
 

I tend to stay in the listview for much of my navigation at home, where my file structure is pretty straight forward and I’m usually working in Documents. Here at work, were we have various network folders, One Drive, and the  like, I do use the tree view more often.  Because some of  our network drives are multiple levels and I am accessing a folder deep in the structure, I will often add the folder I need to the Quick Access section, which is at the top of the tree view. Then again, my favorite approach is to save a shortcut to frequently accessed folders onto my desktop. If I name them well, first letter navigation on the desktop helps me jump to folders quickly.  In this case, tree view is typically more efficient. If I don’t open file explorer from a shortcut on my desktop, I use Windows E, then Shift Tab once to the Tree view. Where the tree view becomes critical is when I’m doing a save as or creating a new document and need to navigate to the correct folder,  Also seems like I need to check the full file path in the Save As dialog more frequently lately, as I’ve been inadvertently saving things in the wrong place lately, assuming the save as dialog is defaulting to one place, when it’s actually putting my file in another.  All user error and the treatment is slowing myself down to double check the folder. 

 

It does seem like the File Explore window is more complicated than it needs to be for those of us tabbing through it. I’d love to simplify the view.  Some of the button options are useful for the sighted, but not useful for me. I also struggle when I accidentally open a setting that rattles one with the alphabet somehow. Not sure how to describe it, but guessing is a way of sorting the listview.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 10:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.

 

I don’t’ really understand the first question either. Are you having trouble selecting files?

 

My favourite explorer thing, which I genuinely am baffled more people don’t do instead of navigating through a familiar folder structure, is to open a window to a folder by hitting windows key + r for “run”, and typing in the path.

For special folders in your user directory, you don’t even need thf ull path

For example, just hit windows + r and type “downloads”, and there you go.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: June 23, 2021 11:25 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Tips for File Explorer

 

I'm struggling a bit with File Explorer and wonder if folks had some observations or advice about using it? For example, in terms of the task of navigating the file system, perhaps it's easiest to stay in the multi-select item view and use alt + up and enter to go up or down the folder structure.

Another example, is does anyone have advice for learning the file path to the current location? I do alt + d which moves the focus to an edit combo with the file path. But I have trouble getting to itself. I'm not sure if there's a better way and I'm missing something.



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moderated read color

meow meow
 

Rosie here...
I know someone did say about there a color reader but does   anyone try it and can it to use bluetooth for braille? that I don't hear very well
thanks
 
 
 
 


moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

Mario
 

thank you.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Subject: Tips for File Explorer
Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 3:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
For the record, I can confirm that SHIFT+F10 and
SHIFT+Applications/Context Menu Key both produce precisely the same
extended context menu with Copy as Path as one option.

A press of Applications/Context Menu Key alone does not.  So I've just
experienced my first use of a modifier key in conjunction with
Applications/Context Menu Key making it behave differently.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you
are not.*

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

For the record, I can confirm that SHIFT+F10 and SHIFT+Applications/Context Menu Key both produce precisely the same extended context menu with Copy as Path as one option.

A press of Applications/Context Menu Key alone does not.  So I've just experienced my first use of a modifier key in conjunction with Applications/Context Menu Key making it behave differently.
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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 03:34 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I still say that shift-applications key does nothing except activate the applications key.
-
I'm actually going to grab one of my USB keyboards with an applications/menu key later to test out that theory.

I've never experienced a modifier key doing anything with that key, either.  But as today's conversation has clearly indicated, there are certain obscurities than any given one of us (or, probably, many of us) have never encountered.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

JM Casey
 

I still say that shift-applications key does nothing except activate the applications key.

Unless some keyboard models are just weird and the applications key is maybe the one key on the keyboard that won’t accept some sort of modifier?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 23, 2021 03:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 02:23 PM, Mario wrote:

it isn't a mistake because I tested it before I added my 2 cents.

-
And I didn't, because I can't.

But it is not unreasonable to have believe that could have been a "write-o."  I've seen plenty of them before, and one could (and actually should) consider what I wrote as an indirect request for clarification.

And as subsequent discussion has detailed, this is one of the very rare times when SHIFT+F10 and the Applications/Menu Key press are not equivalent.

I have also acknowledged that I was in error.
--

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It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 02:23 PM, Mario wrote:
it isn't a mistake because I tested it before I added my 2 cents.
-
And I didn't, because I can't.

But it is not unreasonable to have believe that could have been a "write-o."  I've seen plenty of them before, and one could (and actually should) consider what I wrote as an indirect request for clarification.

And as subsequent discussion has detailed, this is one of the very rare times when SHIFT+F10 and the Applications/Menu Key press are not equivalent.

I have also acknowledged that I was in error.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

JM Casey
 

All of that’s certainly true.

Of course many blind users use 9and even rely on) the desktop to open programmes and even tend to place some of their fil i o. I gues there is a certain amount of individusnal experience preference in this matter. While I’ve grown used to and even appreciate the boons that windows offers, old habits die hard – the tree-like dtiful metaphor for getting around the computer, butall the GUI attempt to make a computer “look like something else” just seem like extra baggage to me most of the time. Thankfully Windows offers a variety of different options for accessing things, and a person doesn’t have to use these sorts of spacial metaphors if he doesn’t want to.

Remember microsoft Bob?  It was designed to make y a use isctureury strtocrees

 

Our computer look like…a house, with all the applications theron being functions of the home. Lol…I think even the computer illiterate elder folks in the 1990s probably saw this as unnecessary pandering (Bob just never took off, despite mS betting on it being a next Big Thing).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 23, 2021 01:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:57 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I totally understand the visual appeal, especially when you can move items and put them exactly where you want on that imaginary surface, that doesn’t offer an advantage for me.

-
And this is a perfect encapsulation, from "the flip side of the coin," of my oft repeated sentiments:

1.  Sometimes, there is no real and complete substitute for sight.

2.  All of accessibility is a workaround, substituting one sensory modality for another, and the two are in no way able to be 100% equivalent.

What's way more useful if you can't see is often diametrically opposed to what is when you can, and vice versa.  And heaven knows, I have to at least try my best to keep that in mind at all times when working with a screen reader user (and many of whom have taught me "the greater efficiencies for someone who's blind" that I had not previously known).

One of the great rewards, for me, out of my experience as a screen reader tutor has been what I've learned from my students, not just the satisfaction I get from what they've learned from me.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

Mario
 

it isn't a mistake because I tested it before I added my 2 cents.
just pressing the applications key without the shift key does not offer the copy as path command.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Subject: Tips for File Explorer
Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2021, 11:59 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:49 AM, Mario wrote:

easier way is to press shift+applications key or shift+f10 and then
A to copy as path

-
I'd blown right by "Copy as Path" because I'd forgotten that's the
terminology used. That's definitely easier.

I do think you have a mistake, though. You can hit either the
Applications/Menu Key (alone, no shift) or SHIFT+F10 (which is
functionally the same on keyboards both with and without an
Applications/Menu Key), followed by A.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

*It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you
are not.*

~ André Gide


moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:57 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I totally understand the visual appeal, especially when you can move items and put them exactly where you want on that imaginary surface, that doesn’t offer an advantage for me.
-
And this is a perfect encapsulation, from "the flip side of the coin," of my oft repeated sentiments:

1.  Sometimes, there is no real and complete substitute for sight.

2.  All of accessibility is a workaround, substituting one sensory modality for another, and the two are in no way able to be 100% equivalent.

What's way more useful if you can't see is often diametrically opposed to what is when you can, and vice versa.  And heaven knows, I have to at least try my best to keep that in mind at all times when working with a screen reader user (and many of whom have taught me "the greater efficiencies for someone who's blind" that I had not previously known).

One of the great rewards, for me, out of my experience as a screen reader tutor has been what I've learned from my students, not just the satisfaction I get from what they've learned from me.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

JM Casey
 

Yeah..since the shift-f10 invocation sometimes gives you more options than the mere applications key, but the reverse never seems to be true, it probably makes sense for most people to just get into the habit of using shift-f10 all of the time, especially as keyboards increasingly don’t seem to have that applications key anymore.

Interesting how back in the old days, keyboards had neither a windows key nor an applications key. Then at some point in the windows evolution, keyboard manufacturers started adding them. The Windows key will stick around, but it seems the applications key may have just been a flash in the pan. ;)

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 23, 2021 12:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:21 PM, JM Casey wrote:

It isn’t available just by pressing the applications key, though. You have to use shift f10. I don’t know why this is and it is somewhat annoying that the two menus are sometimes inexplicably different.

-
Nor do I.  I, too, have encountered (and documented, somewhere) several very rare occasions where the Applications/Menu Key and SHIFT+F10 are not 100% functionally equivalent.

I do not have an Applications/Menu Key on any of my laptops, and Microsoft's own documentation states (incorrectly) that these two invocation options for the context menu are functionally equivalent.  I have no choice but to use SHIFT+F10 most of the time.  Even some of my USB keyboards lack an Applications/Menu Key.
 
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moderated Re: Tips for File Explorer

JM Casey
 

Ah, well..it’s not so much the case, for me, and it gives me the feeling of “hunting around” for something rather than knowing exactly where it is – the latter is a feeling I like to have.

Of course if something is buried ten folders deep I probably wouldn’t type out the whole path, but otherwise, it’s really fast and extremely efficient, I find. Either just opening a folder location, or going directly to a file and having it automatically open in its requisite programme, has improved my windows experience 100%. I don’t use the desktop at all anymore, except for the odd ctrl-alt hotkey (which of course doesn’t require being on the desktop to use). It’s always felt counter-intuitive and while I totally understand the visual appeal, especially when you can move items and put them exactly where you want on that imaginary surface, that doesn’t offer an advantage for me.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: June 23, 2021 12:47 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Tips for File Explorer

 

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 12:31 PM, JM Casey wrote:

My favourite explorer thing, which I genuinely am baffled more people don’t do instead of navigating through a familiar folder structure, is to open a window to a folder by hitting windows key + r for “run”, and typing in the path.

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Well, all I can say is that you have a better memory, are a better typist, and/or have a far simpler folder structure on your machine than I do.

My file systems are like a collection of filing cabinets in various rooms where the "depth" of those rooms can, on many occasions, be extensive.

And I realize the fact that I can see definitely has a bearing here, as point and click is incredibly quick to drill down in File Explorer.  But unless you happen to have a list of "very frequently accessed folders" that you could cut and paste from for the WinKey+R window, if you're dealing with a complex file system that's likely way, way slower than navigating File Explorer, particularly if typos are taken into account.  For things like Downloads, opening File Explorer and hitting D a couple of times gets you straight to the Desktop and Downloads entries, and the corresponding first letter nav for all the libraries.  It's very fast, far faster for me than typing out even the word "downloads". 
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