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Re: Braille display and jaws problem

Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Thank you for taking this action, as well as your post Richard.
Best regards,
Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 6:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Braille display and jaws problem

Microsoft is aware that there is an issue when changing screen readers to Narrator because Narrator switches the driver, which causes JAWS to fail.
I know someone at Microsoft so I wrote him about this and while he isn't the person in charge of the braille side of Narrator, he knows they are aware of the issue and forwarded my note to him.
I have Windows 10, 1809 and I can use the Braille Edge with Jaws without any issue. I've not even tried to see if Narrator would work with it, and now I won't until something is said from Microsoft about this.
Richard




"It is a great thing to start life with a small number of really good books which are your very own." __ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

On Dec 11, 2018, at 5:09 AM, Παναγιωτης Αντωνοπουλος <pantonop@windtools.gr> wrote:

Hi Ari/all,
Well, I have had an ordeal when I bought my new Lenovo, excellent otherwise. I had latest jaws at the time, and an Active Braille from the German company Handytech. Despite my computer tech's struggling, it would not connect with either Bluetooth, or usb. It made several trips between Ioannina, my place of work, and Athens, some 300 miles, and when we thought things were fixed, it was the same, once it reached my end. Eventually, both display and computer were sent to handytech, again with no success, although the Germans were insisting it was Jaws' fault. To cut a long story, my computer tech, eventually discovered that the fault lay with Narrator, and one of its drivers, and it was really a Microsoft fault, which affects some, but not all, displays. Once narrator was removed, I have had not more that problem.
Hope this helps,
Greetings from Greece (perhaps your family's country of origin?),
Takis

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ari Damoulakis
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 8:59 PM
To: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Braille display and jaws problem

Hi everyone
I hope someone can give me some answers or additional tips on what to
try, since I tried asking on the Facebook group, but no luck yet.
I have used a Seika 40 (Perkins in the US) and U2 in the past
successfully with jaws, but for some reason I can't get the newest
version of jaws to communicate with them at all. In fact I can't get
the newest version of JAWS to communicate with any braille display.
When I say communicate, I mean that I am connecting the displays
properly to the PC. I have tried Bluetooth and USB. The displays are
displaying braille and are working with NVDA.
I add them in JAWS. When I try their Bluetooth ports, I am inputting
the com numbers the computer is giving me. When I try the USB, the
drivers are installed correctly, I write USB.
Nothing is happening when I restart JAWS or the PC and JAWS.
I am not getting an error message, but no braille is being displayed either.
I have unpaired them from the PC and paried them again. I have tried
their supposed input and output ports just to make really sure. I have
tried the USB, nothing.
I really have no idea what else to try?
Is it just me or does anyone else believe that the whole interface of
configuring JAWS and a braille display lacks the ease of the iPhone,
or even NVDA? And when you write to support of iether the screenreader
or the braille display manufacturer, the one manufacturer thinks it
could be the other product and the support departments shift the
problem to each other like tennis.
Freedom Scientific should totally redesign the whole braille display
module or interface of jaws, or something should be done to find some
sort of solution to the whole three-way problem of hardware, software
and operating system triangulate in some sort of easier solution.
Thanks very much
Ari






Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 02:35 PM, Mario wrote:
my guess is that a single mailing list would get too chaotic with
discussions of everything imaginable and the moderation of the discussions?
That could be if there were not end-user mechanisms to control the flow of messages from a given group, but Groups.io gives exquisite control over exactly what messages you receive:  Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io

Most of the groups I participate on with regard to anything are not actively moderated.  There are moderators (myself among them) that can and will step in if a situation calls for it and is called to our attention, but in general members post as they please because they abide by the community rules.

In any case, I really just wanted to point out the Blind Tech group, which is blessedly "general purpose" and has been around for a very long time now (it predates its existence on Groups.io by quite a few years, if memory serves).  You also learn a lot that you didn't ever think about because you just happen to get topics that are very interesting that never would have entered your mind spontaneously.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: latest itunes gives me trouble

Munawar Bijani <munawarb@...>
 

Try raising your concerns with Freedom Scientific. They're good about releasing incremental updates nowadays.

On Dec 13, 2018, at 12:08 AM, douglas richard dexheimer <drichardd@earthlink.net> wrote:

i sent copies of my original message to deaf-blind tech and apple accessibility but got no answers from them. i find jaws even less friendly with the latest itunes (without blindtunes) than nvda. from what you said earlier i'll have to give up the free radio tree view that blindtunes gave me access to with earlier itunes versions. thanks for understanding.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 10:59 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,
I should point out that we are straying far astream from anything JAWS
related, so in danger of being castigated by the list owners.
Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:50
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble
that command exits nvda, my primary screenreader; try with jaws? in
jaws it reads the current loaded script and filename. it read something
about itunes 12 settings loaded, then about playing a certain tune in
apple music.
Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
On 12/12/2018 10:41 PM, Dave... wrote:
Sounds like it's uninstalled. Press Insert+Q when you're in iTunes to be
sure.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:31
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


please outline the steps to find and unload blindtunes, don't know if
it's in desktop, my computer, downloads, or what? i just found it in
the start menu and managed to uninstall; hope itunes works now? nope,
still no luck.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 10:19 PM, Dave... wrote:
As to hot keys, those would be part of BlindTunes, which I suggest you
unload, since they have not kept up with later iTunes releases.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:03
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


hotkeys don't seem to work in itunes now, have to press tab and arrows
repeatedly to find what i want.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 9:41 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,

I've kept the latest BlindTunes operating, but lately I'm starting to
use
iTunes without it. Seems like iTunes is becoming more Windows-friendly,
and
JAWS is catching up.

If you update to the most recent iTunes, I think there is no way to
revert
back to a version you liked better.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>; "Apple Accessibility"
<accessibility@apple.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 16:53
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


does that mean i can no longer use itunes to surf the radio like i did
up to now? while i kept the working version there was no way to restore
my iphone; any use for itunes now?

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 6:43 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,

BlindTunes is no longer supported -- John Martyn gave it up years ago.
I
doubt anyone is monitoring the DoItBlind website for BlindTune matters.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>; <dbtechies@googlegroups.com>; "Apple
Accessibility" <accessibility@apple.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 16:11
Subject: latest itunes gives me trouble


i tried posting the following in a form on the blindtunes/do it blind
site, but sending it requires verification that i'm not a robot;
without
an add-on like webvisum and no checkbox saying i'm not a robot, i find
this impossible without sighted help. here's what i wrote:
today i spoke with an apple support rep regarding a shortage of storage
space on my iphone, and after a series of brick walls trying to restore
my iphone, i was prompted to download the latest update to itunes on my
windows 7 desktop, which has disabled the accessibility and
controllability of earlier versions. i can't find a way, using nvda or
jaws, to get to the itunes radio tree view to select favorite stations,
like i did before. please advise the version of nvda/jaws/itunes
needed
to restore itunes' functionality and accessibility with a screenreader,
giving access to the different tree views like radio, library, store,
etc., plus how to install any necessary scripts. reverting to an
earlier itunes version may block any future attempts to restore my
iphone. thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 10/30/2018 8:48 PM, James Lockwood wrote:
This may have been posted already so if so I am sorry. But iTUnes 12
sucks
for accessibility. For me it did anyways. I am using jaws 2018 and
updated
itunes to 12. Bad mistake. I found it impossible to navigate or return
my
views of genre artist song from left to right in that order back from
how
i had it in itunes11. I reverted back to older itunes11. Also, be sure
you
keep a backup copy of itunes library folder in case you ever want to
go
back to whatever version you currently have. Once you update older
versions of itunes wont be able to read any library files touched by
newer
versions of iTUnes. Neweversions corrupt them for older versions.
Library
folder located c users userName appData roaming apple computers itunes
folder. Unhide hidden files and protected protected operating files to
find it if you dont type it into the address bar instead. Sorry for
length. Just thought someone may find it helpful. ITUnes 12 may have
been
out for a while. But just in case i can save anyone else all the time
i
have spent last day or so this post will have been worth it


























Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

Mario
 

my guess is that a single mailing list would get too chaotic with
discussions of everything imaginable and the moderation of the discussions?

-------- Original Message --------
From: Brian Vogel [mailto:britechguy@gmail.com]
Sent: Thu, Dec 13, 2018 2:15 PM EST
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

Now I'll put myself out there for flogging, but I really don't
understand why there is this tendency in the blind/low-vision community
to do two things:

1. Split each and every blessed technology into separate groups.
2. Avoid non-blind-specific groups for things like Google Home and
Amazon Echo, where nothing, including setup, is specific to blind
users.


In any case, there is the Blind Technology group, which allows
discussion of virtually any technology you can name with an emphasis on
use of same by blind individuals.  All pertinent details will be sent in
response to e-mailing: blindtech+help@groups.io
<mailto:blindtech+help@groups.io>
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always
a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong./*

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

Now I'll put myself out there for flogging, but I really don't understand why there is this tendency in the blind/low-vision community to do two things:
  1. Split each and every blessed technology into separate groups.
  2. Avoid non-blind-specific groups for things like Google Home and Amazon Echo, where nothing, including setup, is specific to blind users.

In any case, there is the Blind Technology group, which allows discussion of virtually any technology you can name with an emphasis on use of same by blind individuals.  All pertinent details will be sent in response to e-mailing:   blindtech+help@groups.io
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

   Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.

         ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Re: Jaws loading

Chris Hill
 

Just when entering my pin.  Other than that, it is a lot faster.

On 12/13/2018 10:39, Don H wrote:
One of the benefits of Jaws 2019 was supposed to be faster startup.  I don't see any real difference but do see after Jaws loading speech is choppy for a short while before working well.  Anyone else seeing this?



Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

Dennis Brown
 

That is it—very helpful!
 

From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices
 

Your welcome! Now a question for you.

What is   This Win10 group I see you send this too.

Is that for screne readers too?

Win10+subscribe@groups.io

Is the subscription for that one?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Brown
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

Thank you!

 

From: John Holcomb II

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:13 PM

To: main@jfw.groups.io

Subject: Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

echo@groups.io.

Is the one for  blind people using Elexa.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Brown
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:10 PM
To: Win10 <win10@win10.groups.io>; Jaws <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

Is there a list for blind users of the voice controlled home assistant device like the Google Home and Amazon Echo Alesa?

Thanks!


Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

John Holcomb II <jhii926@...>
 

Your welcome! Now a question for you.

What is   This Win10 group I see you send this too.

Is that for screne readers too?

Win10+subscribe@groups.io

Is the subscription for that one?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Brown
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

Thank you!

 

From: John Holcomb II

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:13 PM

Subject: Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

echo@groups.io.

Is the one for  blind people using Elexa.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Brown
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:10 PM
To: Win10 <win10@win10.groups.io>; Jaws <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

Is there a list for blind users of the voice controlled home assistant device like the Google Home and Amazon Echo Alesa?

Thanks!


Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

Dennis Brown
 

Thank you!
 

From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:13 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices
 

echo@groups.io.

Is the one for  blind people using Elexa.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Brown
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:10 PM
To: Win10 <win10@win10.groups.io>; Jaws <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

Is there a list for blind users of the voice controlled home assistant device like the Google Home and Amazon Echo Alesa?

Thanks!


Re: Jaws loading

John Holcomb II <jhii926@...>
 

I also do not see a problem with JAWS loading, it loads faster on even my Laptop with a third Gen Core i7 processor with Windows 10 and an SSD.
No choppy speech either.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws loading

No choppy speech on my laptop or any of my 4 desktop PC's at my store. Loading seemed to be not as fast as when Jaws 2019 was first introduced, but still faster as with 2018. It takes about 6 or 8 seconds for Jaws 2019 to load on any of my computers whereas Jaws 2018 took easily 15.
any of my

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws loading

One of the benefits of Jaws 2019 was supposed to be faster startup. I don't see any real difference but do see after Jaws loading speech is choppy for a short while before working well. Anyone else seeing this?


Re: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

John Holcomb II <jhii926@...>
 

echo@groups.io.

Is the one for  blind people using Elexa.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Brown
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 12:10 PM
To: Win10 <win10@win10.groups.io>; Jaws <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

 

Is there a list for blind users of the voice controlled home assistant device like the Google Home and Amazon Echo Alesa?

Thanks!


Any list for blind Alesa and Google Home voice controlled devices

Dennis Brown
 

Is there a list for blind users of the voice controlled home assistant device like the Google Home and Amazon Echo Alesa?
Thanks!


Re: Jaws loading

Dave...
 

Not choppy, but startup seems similar to 17, 18, and 2018. However JAWS is
much more responsive now with the ResearchIt, Find, and other JAWS-related
functions, especially in browsers. They finally fixed that annoying pause
that has been prevalent since JAWS 17. My system is Windows 7 professional,
BTW.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 08:39
Subject: Jaws loading


One of the benefits of Jaws 2019 was supposed to be faster startup. I
don't see any real difference but do see after Jaws loading speech is
choppy for a short while before working well. Anyone else seeing this?


Re: Jaws loading

 

No choppy speech on my laptop or any of my 4 desktop PC's at my store. Loading seemed to be not as fast as when Jaws 2019 was first introduced, but still faster as with 2018. It takes about 6 or 8 seconds for Jaws 2019 to load on any of my computers whereas Jaws 2018 took easily 15.
any of my

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws loading

One of the benefits of Jaws 2019 was supposed to be faster startup. I
don't see any real difference but do see after Jaws loading speech is
choppy for a short while before working well. Anyone else seeing this?


Jaws loading

Don H
 

One of the benefits of Jaws 2019 was supposed to be faster startup. I don't see any real difference but do see after Jaws loading speech is choppy for a short while before working well. Anyone else seeing this?


Re: latest itunes gives me trouble

Dave...
 

Try using another internet radio program.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 21:08
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


i sent copies of my original message to deaf-blind tech and apple
accessibility but got no answers from them. i find jaws even less
friendly with the latest itunes (without blindtunes) than nvda. from
what you said earlier i'll have to give up the free radio tree view that
blindtunes gave me access to with earlier itunes versions. thanks for
understanding.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 10:59 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,

I should point out that we are straying far astream from anything JAWS
related, so in danger of being castigated by the list owners.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:50
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


that command exits nvda, my primary screenreader; try with jaws? in
jaws it reads the current loaded script and filename. it read something
about itunes 12 settings loaded, then about playing a certain tune in
apple music.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 10:41 PM, Dave... wrote:
Sounds like it's uninstalled. Press Insert+Q when you're in iTunes to be
sure.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:31
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


please outline the steps to find and unload blindtunes, don't know if
it's in desktop, my computer, downloads, or what? i just found it in
the start menu and managed to uninstall; hope itunes works now? nope,
still no luck.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 10:19 PM, Dave... wrote:
As to hot keys, those would be part of BlindTunes, which I suggest you
unload, since they have not kept up with later iTunes releases.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:03
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


hotkeys don't seem to work in itunes now, have to press tab and arrows
repeatedly to find what i want.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 9:41 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,

I've kept the latest BlindTunes operating, but lately I'm starting to
use
iTunes without it. Seems like iTunes is becoming more Windows-friendly,
and
JAWS is catching up.

If you update to the most recent iTunes, I think there is no way to
revert
back to a version you liked better.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>; "Apple Accessibility"
<accessibility@apple.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 16:53
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


does that mean i can no longer use itunes to surf the radio like i did
up to now? while i kept the working version there was no way to
restore
my iphone; any use for itunes now?

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 6:43 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,

BlindTunes is no longer supported -- John Martyn gave it up years ago.
I
doubt anyone is monitoring the DoItBlind website for BlindTune
matters.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>; <dbtechies@googlegroups.com>; "Apple
Accessibility" <accessibility@apple.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 16:11
Subject: latest itunes gives me trouble


i tried posting the following in a form on the blindtunes/do it blind
site, but sending it requires verification that i'm not a robot;
without
an add-on like webvisum and no checkbox saying i'm not a robot, i find
this impossible without sighted help. here's what i wrote:
today i spoke with an apple support rep regarding a shortage of
storage
space on my iphone, and after a series of brick walls trying to
restore
my iphone, i was prompted to download the latest update to itunes on
my
windows 7 desktop, which has disabled the accessibility and
controllability of earlier versions. i can't find a way, using nvda
or
jaws, to get to the itunes radio tree view to select favorite
stations,
like i did before. please advise the version of nvda/jaws/itunes
needed
to restore itunes' functionality and accessibility with a
screenreader,
giving access to the different tree views like radio, library, store,
etc., plus how to install any necessary scripts. reverting to an
earlier itunes version may block any future attempts to restore my
iphone. thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 10/30/2018 8:48 PM, James Lockwood wrote:
This may have been posted already so if so I am sorry. But iTUnes 12
sucks
for accessibility. For me it did anyways. I am using jaws 2018 and
updated
itunes to 12. Bad mistake. I found it impossible to navigate or
return
my
views of genre artist song from left to right in that order back from
how
i had it in itunes11. I reverted back to older itunes11. Also, be
sure
you
keep a backup copy of itunes library folder in case you ever want to
go
back to whatever version you currently have. Once you update older
versions of itunes wont be able to read any library files touched by
newer
versions of iTUnes. Neweversions corrupt them for older versions.
Library
folder located c users userName appData roaming apple computers
itunes
folder. Unhide hidden files and protected protected operating files
to
find it if you dont type it into the address bar instead. Sorry for
length. Just thought someone may find it helpful. ITUnes 12 may have
been
out for a while. But just in case i can save anyone else all the time
i
have spent last day or so this post will have been worth it






























Re: latest itunes gives me trouble

douglas richard dexheimer
 

i sent copies of my original message to deaf-blind tech and apple accessibility but got no answers from them. i find jaws even less friendly with the latest itunes (without blindtunes) than nvda. from what you said earlier i'll have to give up the free radio tree view that blindtunes gave me access to with earlier itunes versions. thanks for understanding.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 10:59 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,
I should point out that we are straying far astream from anything JAWS
related, so in danger of being castigated by the list owners.
Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:50
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble
that command exits nvda, my primary screenreader; try with jaws? in
jaws it reads the current loaded script and filename. it read something
about itunes 12 settings loaded, then about playing a certain tune in
apple music.
Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
On 12/12/2018 10:41 PM, Dave... wrote:
Sounds like it's uninstalled. Press Insert+Q when you're in iTunes to be
sure.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:31
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


please outline the steps to find and unload blindtunes, don't know if
it's in desktop, my computer, downloads, or what? i just found it in
the start menu and managed to uninstall; hope itunes works now? nope,
still no luck.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 10:19 PM, Dave... wrote:
As to hot keys, those would be part of BlindTunes, which I suggest you
unload, since they have not kept up with later iTunes releases.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:03
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


hotkeys don't seem to work in itunes now, have to press tab and arrows
repeatedly to find what i want.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 9:41 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,

I've kept the latest BlindTunes operating, but lately I'm starting to
use
iTunes without it. Seems like iTunes is becoming more Windows-friendly,
and
JAWS is catching up.

If you update to the most recent iTunes, I think there is no way to
revert
back to a version you liked better.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>; "Apple Accessibility"
<accessibility@apple.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 16:53
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


does that mean i can no longer use itunes to surf the radio like i did
up to now? while i kept the working version there was no way to restore
my iphone; any use for itunes now?

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 6:43 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,

BlindTunes is no longer supported -- John Martyn gave it up years ago.
I
doubt anyone is monitoring the DoItBlind website for BlindTune matters.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>; <dbtechies@googlegroups.com>; "Apple
Accessibility" <accessibility@apple.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 16:11
Subject: latest itunes gives me trouble


i tried posting the following in a form on the blindtunes/do it blind
site, but sending it requires verification that i'm not a robot;
without
an add-on like webvisum and no checkbox saying i'm not a robot, i find
this impossible without sighted help. here's what i wrote:
today i spoke with an apple support rep regarding a shortage of storage
space on my iphone, and after a series of brick walls trying to restore
my iphone, i was prompted to download the latest update to itunes on my
windows 7 desktop, which has disabled the accessibility and
controllability of earlier versions. i can't find a way, using nvda or
jaws, to get to the itunes radio tree view to select favorite stations,
like i did before. please advise the version of nvda/jaws/itunes
needed
to restore itunes' functionality and accessibility with a screenreader,
giving access to the different tree views like radio, library, store,
etc., plus how to install any necessary scripts. reverting to an
earlier itunes version may block any future attempts to restore my
iphone. thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 10/30/2018 8:48 PM, James Lockwood wrote:
This may have been posted already so if so I am sorry. But iTUnes 12
sucks
for accessibility. For me it did anyways. I am using jaws 2018 and
updated
itunes to 12. Bad mistake. I found it impossible to navigate or return
my
views of genre artist song from left to right in that order back from
how
i had it in itunes11. I reverted back to older itunes11. Also, be sure
you
keep a backup copy of itunes library folder in case you ever want to
go
back to whatever version you currently have. Once you update older
versions of itunes wont be able to read any library files touched by
newer
versions of iTUnes. Neweversions corrupt them for older versions.
Library
folder located c users userName appData roaming apple computers itunes
folder. Unhide hidden files and protected protected operating files to
find it if you dont type it into the address bar instead. Sorry for
length. Just thought someone may find it helpful. ITUnes 12 may have
been
out for a while. But just in case i can save anyone else all the time
i
have spent last day or so this post will have been worth it

























Re: latest itunes gives me trouble

douglas richard dexheimer
 

every day i get tons of group emails, more than i have time to read. guess i'll have to use winamp or my browser's embedded players instead.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 10:57 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,
I don't use free radio. It's possible that Apple decided to put radio on the
Apple Music app instead of iTunes. Have you kept up with the announcements?
Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:42
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble
itunes 12.9; exploring help topics and menus. talks about using itunes
to purchase and download apple music; haven't found free radio.
Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net
On 12/12/2018 10:31 PM, douglas richard dexheimer wrote:
please outline the steps to find and unload blindtunes, don't know if
it's in desktop, my computer, downloads, or what? i just found it in
the start menu and managed to uninstall; hope itunes works now? nope,
still no luck.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 10:19 PM, Dave... wrote:
As to hot keys, those would be part of BlindTunes, which I suggest you
unload, since they have not kept up with later iTunes releases.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:03
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


hotkeys don't seem to work in itunes now, have to press tab and arrows
repeatedly to find what i want.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 9:41 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,

I've kept the latest BlindTunes operating, but lately I'm starting to
use
iTunes without it. Seems like iTunes is becoming more Windows-friendly,
and
JAWS is catching up.

If you update to the most recent iTunes, I think there is no way to
revert
back to a version you liked better.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>; "Apple Accessibility"
<accessibility@apple.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 16:53
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


does that mean i can no longer use itunes to surf the radio like i did
up to now? while i kept the working version there was no way to restore
my iphone; any use for itunes now?

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 6:43 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,

BlindTunes is no longer supported -- John Martyn gave it up years
ago. I
doubt anyone is monitoring the DoItBlind website for BlindTune matters.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>; <dbtechies@googlegroups.com>; "Apple
Accessibility" <accessibility@apple.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 16:11
Subject: latest itunes gives me trouble


i tried posting the following in a form on the blindtunes/do it blind
site, but sending it requires verification that i'm not a robot;
without
an add-on like webvisum and no checkbox saying i'm not a robot, i find
this impossible without sighted help. here's what i wrote:
today i spoke with an apple support rep regarding a shortage of storage
space on my iphone, and after a series of brick walls trying to restore
my iphone, i was prompted to download the latest update to itunes on my
windows 7 desktop, which has disabled the accessibility and
controllability of earlier versions. i can't find a way, using nvda or
jaws, to get to the itunes radio tree view to select favorite stations,
like i did before. please advise the version of nvda/jaws/itunes
needed
to restore itunes' functionality and accessibility with a screenreader,
giving access to the different tree views like radio, library, store,
etc., plus how to install any necessary scripts. reverting to an
earlier itunes version may block any future attempts to restore my
iphone. thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 10/30/2018 8:48 PM, James Lockwood wrote:
This may have been posted already so if so I am sorry. But iTUnes 12
sucks
for accessibility. For me it did anyways. I am using jaws 2018 and
updated
itunes to 12. Bad mistake. I found it impossible to navigate or return
my
views of genre artist song from left to right in that order back from
how
i had it in itunes11. I reverted back to older itunes11. Also, be sure
you
keep a backup copy of itunes library folder in case you ever want
to go
back to whatever version you currently have. Once you update older
versions of itunes wont be able to read any library files touched by
newer
versions of iTUnes. Neweversions corrupt them for older versions.
Library
folder located c users userName appData roaming apple computers itunes
folder. Unhide hidden files and protected protected operating files to
find it if you dont type it into the address bar instead. Sorry for
length. Just thought someone may find it helpful. ITUnes 12 may have
been
out for a while. But just in case i can save anyone else all the
time i
have spent last day or so this post will have been worth it




















Re: latest itunes gives me trouble

Dave...
 

Doug,

I should point out that we are straying far astream from anything JAWS
related, so in danger of being castigated by the list owners.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:50
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


that command exits nvda, my primary screenreader; try with jaws? in
jaws it reads the current loaded script and filename. it read something
about itunes 12 settings loaded, then about playing a certain tune in
apple music.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 10:41 PM, Dave... wrote:
Sounds like it's uninstalled. Press Insert+Q when you're in iTunes to be
sure.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:31
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


please outline the steps to find and unload blindtunes, don't know if
it's in desktop, my computer, downloads, or what? i just found it in
the start menu and managed to uninstall; hope itunes works now? nope,
still no luck.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 10:19 PM, Dave... wrote:
As to hot keys, those would be part of BlindTunes, which I suggest you
unload, since they have not kept up with later iTunes releases.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:03
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


hotkeys don't seem to work in itunes now, have to press tab and arrows
repeatedly to find what i want.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 9:41 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,

I've kept the latest BlindTunes operating, but lately I'm starting to
use
iTunes without it. Seems like iTunes is becoming more Windows-friendly,
and
JAWS is catching up.

If you update to the most recent iTunes, I think there is no way to
revert
back to a version you liked better.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>; "Apple Accessibility"
<accessibility@apple.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 16:53
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


does that mean i can no longer use itunes to surf the radio like i did
up to now? while i kept the working version there was no way to restore
my iphone; any use for itunes now?

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 6:43 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,

BlindTunes is no longer supported -- John Martyn gave it up years ago.
I
doubt anyone is monitoring the DoItBlind website for BlindTune matters.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>; <dbtechies@googlegroups.com>; "Apple
Accessibility" <accessibility@apple.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 16:11
Subject: latest itunes gives me trouble


i tried posting the following in a form on the blindtunes/do it blind
site, but sending it requires verification that i'm not a robot;
without
an add-on like webvisum and no checkbox saying i'm not a robot, i find
this impossible without sighted help. here's what i wrote:
today i spoke with an apple support rep regarding a shortage of storage
space on my iphone, and after a series of brick walls trying to restore
my iphone, i was prompted to download the latest update to itunes on my
windows 7 desktop, which has disabled the accessibility and
controllability of earlier versions. i can't find a way, using nvda or
jaws, to get to the itunes radio tree view to select favorite stations,
like i did before. please advise the version of nvda/jaws/itunes
needed
to restore itunes' functionality and accessibility with a screenreader,
giving access to the different tree views like radio, library, store,
etc., plus how to install any necessary scripts. reverting to an
earlier itunes version may block any future attempts to restore my
iphone. thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 10/30/2018 8:48 PM, James Lockwood wrote:
This may have been posted already so if so I am sorry. But iTUnes 12
sucks
for accessibility. For me it did anyways. I am using jaws 2018 and
updated
itunes to 12. Bad mistake. I found it impossible to navigate or return
my
views of genre artist song from left to right in that order back from
how
i had it in itunes11. I reverted back to older itunes11. Also, be sure
you
keep a backup copy of itunes library folder in case you ever want to
go
back to whatever version you currently have. Once you update older
versions of itunes wont be able to read any library files touched by
newer
versions of iTUnes. Neweversions corrupt them for older versions.
Library
folder located c users userName appData roaming apple computers itunes
folder. Unhide hidden files and protected protected operating files to
find it if you dont type it into the address bar instead. Sorry for
length. Just thought someone may find it helpful. ITUnes 12 may have
been
out for a while. But just in case i can save anyone else all the time
i
have spent last day or so this post will have been worth it

























Re: latest itunes gives me trouble

Dave...
 

Doug,

I don't use free radio. It's possible that Apple decided to put radio on the
Apple Music app instead of iTunes. Have you kept up with the announcements?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:42
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


itunes 12.9; exploring help topics and menus. talks about using itunes
to purchase and download apple music; haven't found free radio.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 10:31 PM, douglas richard dexheimer wrote:
please outline the steps to find and unload blindtunes, don't know if
it's in desktop, my computer, downloads, or what? i just found it in
the start menu and managed to uninstall; hope itunes works now? nope,
still no luck.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 10:19 PM, Dave... wrote:
As to hot keys, those would be part of BlindTunes, which I suggest you
unload, since they have not kept up with later iTunes releases.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 20:03
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


hotkeys don't seem to work in itunes now, have to press tab and arrows
repeatedly to find what i want.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 9:41 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,

I've kept the latest BlindTunes operating, but lately I'm starting to
use
iTunes without it. Seems like iTunes is becoming more Windows-friendly,
and
JAWS is catching up.

If you update to the most recent iTunes, I think there is no way to
revert
back to a version you liked better.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>; "Apple Accessibility"
<accessibility@apple.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 16:53
Subject: Re: latest itunes gives me trouble


does that mean i can no longer use itunes to surf the radio like i did
up to now? while i kept the working version there was no way to restore
my iphone; any use for itunes now?

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 12/12/2018 6:43 PM, Dave... wrote:
Doug,

BlindTunes is no longer supported -- John Martyn gave it up years
ago. I
doubt anyone is monitoring the DoItBlind website for BlindTune matters.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


----- Original Message -----
From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <drichardd@earthlink.net>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>; <dbtechies@googlegroups.com>; "Apple
Accessibility" <accessibility@apple.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 16:11
Subject: latest itunes gives me trouble


i tried posting the following in a form on the blindtunes/do it blind
site, but sending it requires verification that i'm not a robot;
without
an add-on like webvisum and no checkbox saying i'm not a robot, i find
this impossible without sighted help. here's what i wrote:
today i spoke with an apple support rep regarding a shortage of storage
space on my iphone, and after a series of brick walls trying to restore
my iphone, i was prompted to download the latest update to itunes on my
windows 7 desktop, which has disabled the accessibility and
controllability of earlier versions. i can't find a way, using nvda or
jaws, to get to the itunes radio tree view to select favorite stations,
like i did before. please advise the version of nvda/jaws/itunes
needed
to restore itunes' functionality and accessibility with a screenreader,
giving access to the different tree views like radio, library, store,
etc., plus how to install any necessary scripts. reverting to an
earlier itunes version may block any future attempts to restore my
iphone. thanks.

Douglas Richard Dexheimer
Chief of Braille Productions
Born-Again Productions
The Friedman Place, Apt.308
5527 N. Maplewood Ave.
Chicago, IL 60625
home phone 773-409-6163
cell phone 913-244-0612
drichardd@earthlink.net

On 10/30/2018 8:48 PM, James Lockwood wrote:
This may have been posted already so if so I am sorry. But iTUnes 12
sucks
for accessibility. For me it did anyways. I am using jaws 2018 and
updated
itunes to 12. Bad mistake. I found it impossible to navigate or return
my
views of genre artist song from left to right in that order back from
how
i had it in itunes11. I reverted back to older itunes11. Also, be sure
you
keep a backup copy of itunes library folder in case you ever want
to go
back to whatever version you currently have. Once you update older
versions of itunes wont be able to read any library files touched by
newer
versions of iTUnes. Neweversions corrupt them for older versions.
Library
folder located c users userName appData roaming apple computers itunes
folder. Unhide hidden files and protected protected operating files to
find it if you dont type it into the address bar instead. Sorry for
length. Just thought someone may find it helpful. ITUnes 12 may have
been
out for a while. But just in case i can save anyone else all the
time i
have spent last day or so this post will have been worth it